Comments on: Puad: “Proton should be turned into an assembler” http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:43:18 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: romeo_misteri http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-109080 romeo_misteri Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:00:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-109080 erm..i just wanna say that..proton is built for us, malaysian. proton is now truly car manufacturer..remember when perodua advertised myvi as my vision, my inspiration, malaysian vision, malaysian inspiration and so on..kepala otak dia..it should be javi..because it's truly japanese vision and inspiration..look at indonesia..dahaitsu sales it as sirion..which is completely the same with our myvi..if we track back the proton history..we can be proud as malaysian that proton now can stand alone..the issue in making proton to produce more better car is to send its engineers overseas to learn foreign technology..it has to create car that satisfy our taste..not to create out-to-date design..it has to got more creativity and technology in making better car..it doesn't have to be a copy cat like perodua does (copy, edit and produce)..the fact proton produces car that not high spec as foreign car is because of its 'for malaysian'..just count how many rich people among us that can buy expenssive car? so, to make the price low to suit our salary, it has to lower the cost..and if it wants to lower the cost, it has to make the spec low too..that's why proton's car is cheap, affordable by most malaysian but low in spec..nowadays, we have to pay more for better technology..remember that..if you all here are very clever in bussines and car manufacturing, why don't you all work at proton? help it to grow steadily..save your money and then buy proton company..develope it to be a world class car manufacturer..don't hina it..but help it..for proton, you got to hire more young engineers who can create more up-to-date design..don't just hanging on atuk2 and ayam2 lama engineers..and don't let politicians kacau your bussines..(to be continue) erm..i just wanna say that..proton is built for us, malaysian. proton is now truly car manufacturer..remember when perodua advertised myvi as my vision, my inspiration, malaysian vision, malaysian inspiration and so on..kepala otak dia..it should be javi..because it’s truly japanese vision and inspiration..look at indonesia..dahaitsu sales it as sirion..which is completely the same with our myvi..if we track back the proton history..we can be proud as malaysian that proton now can stand alone..the issue in making proton to produce more better car is to send its engineers overseas to learn foreign technology..it has to create car that satisfy our taste..not to create out-to-date design..it has to got more creativity and technology in making better car..it doesn’t have to be a copy cat like perodua does (copy, edit and produce)..the fact proton produces car that not high spec as foreign car is because of its ‘for malaysian’..just count how many rich people among us that can buy expenssive car? so, to make the price low to suit our salary, it has to lower the cost..and if it wants to lower the cost, it has to make the spec low too..that’s why proton’s car is cheap, affordable by most malaysian but low in spec..nowadays, we have to pay more for better technology..remember that..if you all here are very clever in bussines and car manufacturing, why don’t you all work at proton? help it to grow steadily..save your money and then buy proton company..develope it to be a world class car manufacturer..don’t hina it..but help it..for proton, you got to hire more young engineers who can create more up-to-date design..don’t just hanging on atuk2 and ayam2 lama engineers..and don’t let politicians kacau your bussines..(to be continue)

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100982 wong Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:40:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100982 i'm having a good day with my proton thank you,any car will be good if well mantained, my bmw too is almost mess up by an unqualified mechanic,i was lucky that a generous friend recommended another and its doing very well now..i dont think theres any bad car... i’m having a good day with my proton thank you,any car will be good if well mantained, my bmw too is almost mess up by an unqualified mechanic,i was lucky that a generous friend recommended another and its doing very well now..i dont think theres any bad car…

]]> By: PTAllTheBest http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100806 PTAllTheBest Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:32:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100806 at least they close shop 1st and then let G go and figure out how to revive our car industry. as long as p1 here we will not have a good day with good car at least they close shop 1st and then let G go and figure out how to revive our car industry. as long as p1 here we will not have a good day with good car

]]> By: GlowJo http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100782 GlowJo Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:40:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100782 Wong, tapau for me kuih Potong two slices aaaa... I pay you later Wong, tapau for me kuih Potong two slices aaaa… I pay you later

]]> By: GlowJo http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100781 GlowJo Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:37:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100781 Isamu, I think the senator hidden agenda is 'to let proton be the assembler' so that he can form a company to be proton new vendor since the current vendors are not capable, with the new owner he can easily apply to be new proton vendor. Isamu,
I think the senator hidden agenda is ‘to let proton be the assembler’ so that he can form a company to be proton new vendor since the current vendors are not capable, with the new owner he can easily apply to be new proton vendor.

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100732 wong Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:17:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100732 well said mr isamu ,jack of all trades master of none is not the german way and thats why survived from 'beetle model' to now the great GOLFer, i'm goind to get some kuih Potong right now ... well said mr isamu ,jack of all trades master of none is not the german way and thats why survived from ‘beetle model’ to now the great GOLFer, i’m goind to get some kuih Potong right now …

]]> By: Isamu http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100724 Isamu Sat, 21 Jul 2007 12:29:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100724 Mr Senator, With due respect, Perodua have always been technically an assembler only, at least until now. Even though they do have their own design and development activities locally, the sort of stuff that they do only can positively differentiate them from other assemblers. Being "more-than-an-assembler" do not escalate them to a real/full automaker's status. In fact, they are still a far cry away from being an automaker. I would love to see them shake away that "beautician" image. A real/full automaker can decide and do things on their own, have their own chief engineers who can decide locally without too much influences from chief engineers from the parent company. A cook that can cook up good food based on another chef's recipe is still only a good cook. Using nasi lemak as an example, if a cook in Menglembu decides to localise his nasi lemak with Menglembu groundnuts and ikan bilis from the waters of Perak, does it make him/her a real chef? A real chef will always think out of the box try to re-invent the nasi lemak, maybe with something else other than coconut milk, another type of rice be it brown or white. I'm not saying that Perodua cooks bad food. Kudos to them, they cook up some really good food, in fact..!! It's just that the whole point of Mr Senator's statement which points out that the country do not need two automakers. Turning to Proton, they started out as a Malaysian cook (with an aim to be a top chef). Along the way of learning from a top Japanese chef, something cropped up and their relations turn sour. Then the Japanese chef decided that the Malaysian cook won't be getting top recipes, even if the Malaysian cook wants to pay a premium for them. They parted ways and the Malaysian cook decided to try to be its own chef. The Malaysian cook soon came out with a few good recipes which uses a lot of local ingredients. They are now officially a real Malaysian chef. It has been selling their good food but customers keep complaining that the taste are inconsistent. Sometime too bland, sometimes too hot, sometimes too salty and sometimes too sour. The Malaysian chef failed to find the root cause of its problems. Finally, the Malaysian chef decided that in order to win back its customers, it has to learn from another top chef. There are no local chef that are good enough to guide and teach the Malaysian chef. They looked around and they found an American chef and a top German chef that are interested in guiding it to survival and success. The American chef looks to be a bad option. Afterall, its restaurant itself are doing badly and its closing a lot of its kitchens domestically. On the other hand, the top German chef is somewhat successful. Its food are selling well although profits are not too high and most importantly, it has some very good and popular dishes. Along the way of trying to find a master to guide them, the Malaysian chef has met a few jokers. These local jokers do not even know how to cook but they claim that they know how to make the Malaysian chef a better chef. One of them even claimed that the Malaysian chef's real problem is that its waiters and waitresses do not know how to sell the food. What a joke..!! It seems like the only logical choice for the Malaysian chef is to learn from the top German chef. The only problem now is the price to pay will be high. Of course the somewhat-successful German chef will not give out its top recipes and experiences for peanuts. It wants to have a good shareholding of the Malaysian cook's restaurant. The Malaysian chef does realise that the only way for survival is to sell part of or even a big chunk of its restaurant to the German chef. It also has to start cooking German dishes in its kitchens in order to learn. This will effectively make the Malaysian chef only a Malaysian cook again, but the Malaysian chef does not mind that..!! But then, some ultra-nationalists with partisan views do not want the German to control the Malaysian restaurant. Those people failed to realise that the German chef is one of the only few top chefs in the world with proven track record of turning around bad restaurants. The German chef has successfully controlled at least three other foreign restaurants (one Spanish, one Czech and another Italian) and taught the restaurants chef on how to be a good chef. Why should the Malaysian chef be a just a normal cook that cooks so many random dishes from around the world using very little local ingredients when it can be a disciple of the top German chef. By cooking random dishes, it will not learn anything. By being the German chef's disciple, it can learn to cook German dishes and after some time, the German chef will definitely guide it to prepare some new Malaysian dishes. Afterall, the German cook helped the Spanish, the Czech and the Italian chefs to prepare better Spanish, Czech and Italian dishes..!! So, I think Mr Senator should leave the Malaysian chef alone and really stick to more important issues like crime and rapidly escalating living costs and PLEASE leave this to the professionals. The Malaysian chef has been willing to be a cook again. It wants to learn from the German chef. Please let the Malaysian chef decide its own fate or at least look at the best option that is to go German..!! Mr Senator,

With due respect, Perodua have always been technically an assembler only, at least until now. Even though they do have their own design and development activities locally, the sort of stuff that they do only can positively differentiate them from other assemblers. Being “more-than-an-assembler” do not escalate them to a real/full automaker’s status. In fact, they are still a far cry away from being an automaker. I would love to see them shake away that “beautician” image. A real/full automaker can decide and do things on their own, have their own chief engineers who can decide locally without too much influences from chief engineers from the parent company.

A cook that can cook up good food based on another chef’s recipe is still only a good cook. Using nasi lemak as an example, if a cook in Menglembu decides to localise his nasi lemak with Menglembu groundnuts and ikan bilis from the waters of Perak, does it make him/her a real chef? A real chef will always think out of the box try to re-invent the nasi lemak, maybe with something else other than coconut milk, another type of rice be it brown or white.

I’m not saying that Perodua cooks bad food. Kudos to them, they cook up some really good food, in fact..!! It’s just that the whole point of Mr Senator’s statement which points out that the country do not need two automakers.

Turning to Proton, they started out as a Malaysian cook (with an aim to be a top chef). Along the way of learning from a top Japanese chef, something cropped up and their relations turn sour. Then the Japanese chef decided that the Malaysian cook won’t be getting top recipes, even if the Malaysian cook wants to pay a premium for them. They parted ways and the Malaysian cook decided to try to be its own chef. The Malaysian cook soon came out with a few good recipes which uses a lot of local ingredients. They are now officially a real Malaysian chef. It has been selling their good food but customers keep complaining that the taste are inconsistent. Sometime too bland, sometimes too hot, sometimes too salty and sometimes too sour. The Malaysian chef failed to find the root cause of its problems.

Finally, the Malaysian chef decided that in order to win back its customers, it has to learn from another top chef. There are no local chef that are good enough to guide and teach the Malaysian chef. They looked around and they found an American chef and a top German chef that are interested in guiding it to survival and success.

The American chef looks to be a bad option. Afterall, its restaurant itself are doing badly and its closing a lot of its kitchens domestically. On the other hand, the top German chef is somewhat successful. Its food are selling well although profits are not too high and most importantly, it has some very good and popular dishes.

Along the way of trying to find a master to guide them, the Malaysian chef has met a few jokers. These local jokers do not even know how to cook but they claim that they know how to make the Malaysian chef a better chef. One of them even claimed that the Malaysian chef’s real problem is that its waiters and waitresses do not know how to sell the food. What a joke..!!

It seems like the only logical choice for the Malaysian chef is to learn from the top German chef. The only problem now is the price to pay will be high. Of course the somewhat-successful German chef will not give out its top recipes and experiences for peanuts. It wants to have a good shareholding of the Malaysian cook’s restaurant. The Malaysian chef does realise that the only way for survival is to sell part of or even a big chunk of its restaurant to the German chef. It also has to start cooking German dishes in its kitchens in order to learn. This will effectively make the Malaysian chef only a Malaysian cook again, but the Malaysian chef does not mind that..!! But then, some ultra-nationalists with partisan views do not want the German to control the Malaysian restaurant. Those people failed to realise that the German chef is one of the only few top chefs in the world with proven track record of turning around bad restaurants. The German chef has successfully controlled at least three other foreign restaurants (one Spanish, one Czech and another Italian) and taught the restaurants chef on how to be a good chef.

Why should the Malaysian chef be a just a normal cook that cooks so many random dishes from around the world using very little local ingredients when it can be a disciple of the top German chef. By cooking random dishes, it will not learn anything. By being the German chef’s disciple, it can learn to cook German dishes and after some time, the German chef will definitely guide it to prepare some new Malaysian dishes. Afterall, the German cook helped the Spanish, the Czech and the Italian chefs to prepare better Spanish, Czech and Italian dishes..!!

So, I think Mr Senator should leave the Malaysian chef alone and really stick to more important issues like crime and rapidly escalating living costs and PLEASE leave this to the professionals. The Malaysian chef has been willing to be a cook again. It wants to learn from the German chef. Please let the Malaysian chef decide its own fate or at least look at the best option that is to go German..!!

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100646 wong Sat, 21 Jul 2007 03:49:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100646 in the early 70s,japanese cars are called tin milo,slow coach and many more names,europe car is every where,Ford capri,cosair,cortina, escorts,the list goes on...but japanese cars are fuel savers,look at the first honda civic,datsun(now nissan),toyota,etc they progress, the first suzuki was really small and a laughing stock but look at it now, Japanese car makers dont give up easily and now they are on par and some better than europes,CLOSE SHOP is certaintly NOT their style in the early 70s,japanese cars are called tin milo,slow coach and many more names,europe car is every where,Ford capri,cosair,cortina, escorts,the list goes on…but japanese cars are fuel savers,look at the first honda civic,datsun(now nissan),toyota,etc they progress, the first suzuki was really small and a laughing stock but look at it now, Japanese car makers dont give up easily and now they are on par and some better than europes,CLOSE SHOP is certaintly NOT their style

]]> By: PTAllTheBest http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100605 PTAllTheBest Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:44:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100605 politicians like to talk so much. always talk...talk..talk... dun turn into an assembler. just close shop, bungkus. scrap NAP also. politicians like to talk so much. always talk…talk..talk…
dun turn into an assembler. just close shop, bungkus. scrap NAP also.

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100593 wong Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:26:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100593 kuih potong is good, locally made..maybe can cheer u up a bit,i know the feeling of getting pissed off..really bad..hey the good news is, u can buy secondhand camry which is much cheaper! u can even get a bmw for less than 60k and still damn good. if u don't like proton don,t buy ..BY THE WAY where can i get a kuih potong,want to share it with my family..to much western and japanese food already kuih potong is good, locally made..maybe can cheer u up a bit,i know the feeling of getting pissed off..really bad..hey the good news is, u can buy secondhand camry which is much cheaper! u can even get a bmw for less than 60k and still damn good. if u don’t like proton don,t buy ..BY THE WAY where can i get a kuih potong,want to share it with my family..to much western and japanese food already

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100583 ingolstadt Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:19:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100583 I can't believe there are still people saying Proton's good because we can't buy any 'good' cars with the price of Waja. THE REASON THEY ARE EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE PROTON IS UP AND RUNNING. Camry's production cost is way cheaper than Waja's by the sheer economies of scale it has. Proton's existence is to reduce the trade deficit? Then how bout Perodua? Last check, Perodua saves us more than Proton does if it were this issue, and if Proton were to get lost, Perodua could sell more, at cheaper prices and we can save more. Yeah, I agree Perodua rebadges cars, but at least they built it decently. Proton having sudden collaborations with Mitsu, then Citroen, then talking with GM, Peugeot, then back to VW --- Just pisses me off... As if they really want this kuih potong. I can’t believe there are still people saying Proton’s good because we can’t buy any ‘good’ cars with the price of Waja.

THE REASON THEY ARE EXPENSIVE IS BECAUSE PROTON IS UP AND RUNNING.

Camry’s production cost is way cheaper than Waja’s by the sheer economies of scale it has.

Proton’s existence is to reduce the trade deficit? Then how bout Perodua? Last check, Perodua saves us more than Proton does if it were this issue, and if Proton were to get lost, Perodua could sell more, at cheaper prices and we can save more.

Yeah, I agree Perodua rebadges cars, but at least they built it decently. Proton having sudden collaborations with Mitsu, then Citroen, then talking with GM, Peugeot, then back to VW — Just pisses me off…

As if they really want this kuih potong.

]]> By: Prem3377 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100569 Prem3377 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:22:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100569 neo2, i do understand what you trying to say..and if you read in each an every previous post of proton before this..i m always saying the same thing...its not proton or even the management...it the G!!!and people involved in it...maybe mr P who said proton can become an assembler might get some cut if proton become an assembler...proton was going on a right track...and it was not meant to be a jaguh kampung...otherwise our ex pm wont buy lotus or force petronas to sponsor formula or even build sepang...proton was targeted for europe and australia..then asian countries...but nothing work as planned!!thats where the problem started!!always remember proton waja was our 1st ever national car..so mistakes and quality can be forgiven but then dr M left...all wanna a piece of proton!!some couldnt make enough they even make naza as a notional car!!perodua is over priced!!!but people is buying it because it a toyota!!if perodua were to produce their own car..i bet it will be similar to proton story!!the politician do control all G companies...if they leave proton alone and let it manage itself they wont be losing money or producing low quality cars...they can choose own vendor who produce good parts and not forcing proton to choose the vendor and sum1 will make money out of it...dr M insisted the national car should be the G official car..so politician can have a feel of rakyats pain..but lately all the 7 series and s class is being used again!!so if you dont have a good leader and good politicians no matter how many proton like company in malaysia opens its not going to make any difference!!!!even our sole electric supplier lose money..something wic is almost impossible...now after being asked many question they manage to make 175% profit!!!so what were they doing when they lost 29billion??then it was our airlines..then lately proton...questions is being asked now...sooner or later it will be answered...i will be happy if proton comes out with good model and acceptable quality..cause i prefer my country making the money compared to a japanese or european country!!proton please come up with good product soon...we cant wait any longer!! neo2,

i do understand what you trying to say..and if you read in each an every previous post of proton before this..i m always saying the same thing…its not proton or even the management…it the G!!!and people involved in it…maybe mr P who said proton can become an assembler might get some cut if proton become an assembler…proton was going on a right track…and it was not meant to be a jaguh kampung…otherwise our ex pm wont buy lotus or force petronas to sponsor formula or even build sepang…proton was targeted for europe and australia..then asian countries…but nothing work as planned!!thats where the problem started!!always remember proton waja was our 1st ever national car..so mistakes and quality can be forgiven but then dr M left…all wanna a piece of proton!!some couldnt make enough they even make naza as a notional car!!perodua is over priced!!!but people is buying it because it a toyota!!if perodua were to produce their own car..i bet it will be similar to proton story!!the politician do control all G companies…if they leave proton alone and let it manage itself they wont be losing money or producing low quality cars…they can choose own vendor who produce good parts and not forcing proton to choose the vendor and sum1 will make money out of it…dr M insisted the national car should be the G official car..so politician can have a feel of rakyats pain..but lately all the 7 series and s class is being used again!!so if you dont have a good leader and good politicians no matter how many proton like company in malaysia opens its not going to make any difference!!!!even our sole electric supplier lose money..something wic is almost impossible…now after being asked many question they manage to make 175% profit!!!so what were they doing when they lost 29billion??then it was our airlines..then lately proton…questions is being asked now…sooner or later it will be answered…i will be happy if proton comes out with good model and acceptable quality..cause i prefer my country making the money compared to a japanese or european country!!proton please come up with good product soon…we cant wait any longer!!

]]> By: Joe Ooi http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100559 Joe Ooi Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:54:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100559 Prem3377 said, July 20, 2007 @ 3:51 pm sorry bout my grammar and spelling in da post above…was typing kinda fast cause i am at work…hope its understandable..haha ------------------ Wah, at work but talk crap in internet! Go back to work and cut your salary! Ha, ha, ha, ........... keh, keh, keh, ......... Prem3377 said,
July 20, 2007 @ 3:51 pm

sorry bout my grammar and spelling in da post above…was typing kinda fast cause i am at work…hope its understandable..haha
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Wah, at work but talk crap in internet! Go back to work and cut your salary! Ha, ha, ha, ……….. keh, keh, keh, ………

]]> By: LittleFire85 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100547 LittleFire85 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:46:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100547 Well are u saying that P1 will sell lotus? LOL! since u say Ford is selling off his others company. But i think u forget 1 thing, Ford money is loan by G n bank.. P1 money is GIVEN by G from PEOPLES MONEY! This is the DIFFERENT! LOAN N GIVEN! Ford have to sell it to clear its debt! Anyway i agree neo2, The new subaru impreza 2.0L also sell at RM60k (US$17k) only.. If sell in Malaysia like this, WAJA die liau loo.. Well are u saying that P1 will sell lotus? LOL! since u say Ford is selling off his others company. But i think u forget 1 thing, Ford money is loan by G n bank.. P1 money is GIVEN by G from PEOPLES MONEY! This is the DIFFERENT! LOAN N GIVEN! Ford have to sell it to clear its debt!

Anyway i agree neo2, The new subaru impreza 2.0L also sell at RM60k (US$17k) only.. If sell in Malaysia like this, WAJA die liau loo..

]]> By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100517 The Unicons Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:20:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100517 Well, remember even foreign company such as Ford (to name one) also doing badly. However, people are just keep quite and let them to the work. Let them improve their quality problem and financial problem. Selling the Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover. Volvo not in the list yet. So, just let Proton do thier works. This senator thought Perodua should remain the sole producer of national cars as they have shown more success in selling cars compared to Proton. Does he knows what is car assembler and car producer? Currently Proton = car assembler and Perodua = car producer OR Proton = car producer and Perodua = car assembler. I think this senator should go back to school. Well, remember even foreign company such as Ford (to name one) also doing badly. However, people are just keep quite and let them to the work. Let them improve their quality problem and financial problem. Selling the Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover. Volvo not in the list yet.

So, just let Proton do thier works. This senator thought Perodua should remain the sole producer of national cars as they have shown more success in selling cars compared to Proton. Does he knows what is car assembler and car producer? Currently Proton = car assembler and Perodua = car producer OR Proton = car producer and Perodua = car assembler. I think this senator should go back to school.

]]> By: nizam80 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100516 nizam80 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:10:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100516 thecrash said, July 20, 2007 @ 4:35 pm "Basic - rear drum brake 1.6MT Solid —– 45,350 1.6AT Solid —– 48,350 1.6MT Metallic — 45,800 1.6AT Metallic — 48,800 Medium - airbag, rear disc brake,foldable RR seat, fog lamp,mp3, rear spoiler 1.6MT Metallic — 49,800 1.6AT Metallic — 52,800 High - Captor, airbag, abs, mp3, rear disc brake,foldable seat, fog lamp, safetint, rear spoiler 1.6AT Metallic — 55,800 All inclusive insurance, EWP, first aid kit, safety triangle" __________________________________________________________________________ thecrash, what r u trying to post here? Is this the price of the new upcoming Proton Persona? thecrash said,
July 20, 2007 @ 4:35 pm

“Basic – rear drum brake
1.6MT Solid —– 45,350
1.6AT Solid —– 48,350
1.6MT Metallic — 45,800
1.6AT Metallic — 48,800

Medium – airbag, rear disc brake,foldable RR seat, fog lamp,mp3, rear spoiler
1.6MT Metallic — 49,800
1.6AT Metallic — 52,800

High – Captor, airbag, abs, mp3, rear disc brake,foldable seat, fog lamp, safetint, rear spoiler
1.6AT Metallic — 55,800

All inclusive insurance, EWP, first aid kit, safety triangle”

__________________________________________________________________________

thecrash, what r u trying to post here? Is this the price of the new upcoming Proton Persona?

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100514 wong Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:09:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100514 hahaha when comes to proton topics, i notice a lot of experts in technology,economics design,critics , i notice that malaysians are becoming very clever and some always very angry, i,m just a happy proton owner!!!Cheers hahaha when comes to proton topics, i notice a lot of experts in technology,economics design,critics , i notice that malaysians are becoming very clever and some always very angry, i,m just a happy proton owner!!!Cheers

]]> By: 2ST http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100505 2ST Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:50:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100505 Shutdown both, perodua and proton.end of story. malaysian cant make own car in term of err...real car. Shutdown both, perodua and proton.end of story.
malaysian cant make own car in term of err…real car.

]]> By: haroldz http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100499 haroldz Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:54:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100499 There is no way proton goin to bankrupt n close shop. "it is a national pride"-->said the politician. ask him wot car he own...hypocrite!! the rakyat r easy to influence during general election so making them believe proton still good is 'no sweat/kacang/senang gila/' for G. until some1 come up with REAL anti proton car campaign with stickers n internet forums, we can only complaint. There is no way proton goin to bankrupt n close shop.
“it is a national pride”–>said the politician.
ask him wot car he own…hypocrite!!
the rakyat r easy to influence during general election so making them believe proton still good is ‘no sweat/kacang/senang gila/’ for G.
until some1 come up with REAL anti proton car campaign with stickers n internet forums, we can only complaint.

]]> By: neo2 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100484 neo2 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:02:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100484 @Prem3377, a lot of question marks and exclamation marks I can see. It is true Proton is one of economical force that is driving the our economy but not the main contributor of economy. For all the points that you mentioned, direct and indirectly industries that are relying on Proton can always look forward for change. For instance, mechanic that used to repair P1 can now repair P2 because car market is flooded with Myvi. Spart part suppliers could produce P2 spart parts instead of P2 and so on and so on. End of Proton is not end of Malaysia economy, that I can assure you. What I am trying to point out is the existence of Proton is based on plain commercial supply and demand. Why Proton demand is dropping like share market crash? Because when our beloved G slightly adjust the import duties for cars (NAP) to progressively comply with AFTA (ASEAN Free Trade Agreement, if you wonder what AFTA is) so that countries amongst ASEAN could trade freely each country's goods, concept something similiar to EURO but we do not have ASEAN currency. The main objective of having AFTA is to create a huge consumer market for ASEAN countries so that all members could flourish from there onwards. One of the most lucrative market in ASEAN is car and Malaysia is the biggest amongst all members due to its Malaysian spending power, its economical fundamentals and land. Singapore is the richest in ASEAN but it discourages import of cars because its land size is no bigger than Penang island of Malaysia. Actually Singaporean has higher average income than Malaysian but due to its land size the government has no choice but to impose very high import duty and parking lot excise to hinder imports of car. After Singapore, Malaysia has the car market size of about few millions. But we are imposing same if not less than Singapore artificially high import duty to: 1. hinder billions ringgit of trading deficit 2. promote local automotive industry as well as surrounding industries (like what mentioned by Prem3377). If Prem3377 read my previous comments carefully, you will notice that at the end Malaysian still pay more to afford a car, I mean a Proton. We should not compare Proton with Toyota as imported cars have excessive import duties. Instead, we should compare P1 with P2, Savvy with Myvi and some other same basis. I agree that closing down Proton does not solve the over-priced cars in Malaysia, instead we should remove politicians and cronies that were sucking billions and billions from profiting supply chain with Proton. Of course, the ideal is the have reasoable priced ntaional with highest quality. At average we should not pay no more than 20% of our income for a car, fuel and maintenance as car is moving parts, it merely provides a mean to transport you from point A to point B, safely and comfortly. But cars like Yoyota Camry, Honda Accord and even C class Mercedes could cost us an apartment or double-storey terrace house in Malaysia. House (shelter) and transport (car) are basic needs but we are serving 9 years loan because of Proton! And I would say it is a lousy Proton. Some Proton bashers would describe Proton as scrap steel binding itself and forcing itself to move on the road, which it is an eye sore! We cannot deny that there are politicians that are using political influences to gain personal interest. For instance, how does a Klang assemblyman could build a 10 million bungalow in the centre of wooden village? Don't tell me his petty salary could afford him. It is kind of unavoidable for developing countries, like ASEAN, African and even India and China. Different countries has different degree of improving their democracy amist fighting against corruption. Thailand for instance, we might not want to protest like Thai but we could always express our opinions in general election. How does an innocent citizen like Prem3377 could look through the lies and fakes fogged by politicians and cronies. Proton just merely an apparatus set up by a few powerful and influential politicians to feed themselves and their cronies. Without Proton, they are the first one to beg for mercy or even manupulating racisme issues to win votes. Remember how Proton dealers ask for RM300k compensation when their business is closing down? Typical spoilt child, tzh tzh tzh ... I also want to become one of them, sitting doing nothing, just wait for money to fall from sky (remember how arrogant was Proton salesmen during the 90s when Proton launched Wira model?Ya, those were the proud days of Proton) and crying for even more when it is raining! @Prem3377, a lot of question marks and exclamation marks I can see.
It is true Proton is one of economical force that is driving the our economy but not the main contributor of economy. For all the points that you mentioned, direct and indirectly industries that are relying on Proton can always look forward for change. For instance, mechanic that used to repair P1 can now repair P2 because car market is flooded with Myvi. Spart part suppliers could produce P2 spart parts instead of P2 and so on and so on. End of Proton is not end of Malaysia economy, that I can assure you.
What I am trying to point out is the existence of Proton is based on plain commercial supply and demand. Why Proton demand is dropping like share market crash? Because when our beloved G slightly adjust the import duties for cars (NAP) to progressively comply with AFTA (ASEAN Free Trade Agreement, if you wonder what AFTA is) so that countries amongst ASEAN could trade freely each country’s goods, concept something similiar to EURO but we do not have ASEAN currency.
The main objective of having AFTA is to create a huge consumer market for ASEAN countries so that all members could flourish from there onwards. One of the most lucrative market in ASEAN is car and Malaysia is the biggest amongst all members due to its Malaysian spending power, its economical fundamentals and land. Singapore is the richest in ASEAN but it discourages import of cars because its land size is no bigger than Penang island of Malaysia. Actually Singaporean has higher average income than Malaysian but due to its land size the government has no choice but to impose very high import duty and parking lot excise to hinder imports of car.
After Singapore, Malaysia has the car market size of about few millions. But we are imposing same if not less than Singapore artificially high import duty to: 1. hinder billions ringgit of trading deficit 2. promote local automotive industry as well as surrounding industries (like what mentioned by Prem3377).
If Prem3377 read my previous comments carefully, you will notice that at the end Malaysian still pay more to afford a car, I mean a Proton. We should not compare Proton with Toyota as imported cars have excessive import duties. Instead, we should compare P1 with P2, Savvy with Myvi and some other same basis. I agree that closing down Proton does not solve the over-priced cars in Malaysia, instead we should remove politicians and cronies that were sucking billions and billions from profiting supply chain with Proton. Of course, the ideal is the have reasoable priced ntaional with highest quality. At average we should not pay no more than 20% of our income for a car, fuel and maintenance as car is moving parts, it merely provides a mean to transport you from point A to point B, safely and comfortly. But cars like Yoyota Camry, Honda Accord and even C class Mercedes could cost us an apartment or double-storey terrace house in Malaysia. House (shelter) and transport (car) are basic needs but we are serving 9 years loan because of Proton! And I would say it is a lousy Proton. Some Proton bashers would describe Proton as scrap steel binding itself and forcing itself to move on the road, which it is an eye sore!
We cannot deny that there are politicians that are using political influences to gain personal interest. For instance, how does a Klang assemblyman could build a 10 million bungalow in the centre of wooden village? Don’t tell me his petty salary could afford him.
It is kind of unavoidable for developing countries, like ASEAN, African and even India and China. Different countries has different degree of improving their democracy amist fighting against corruption. Thailand for instance, we might not want to protest like Thai but we could always express our opinions in general election.
How does an innocent citizen like Prem3377 could look through the lies and fakes fogged by politicians and cronies. Proton just merely an apparatus set up by a few powerful and influential politicians to feed themselves and their cronies. Without Proton, they are the first one to beg for mercy or even manupulating racisme issues to win votes. Remember how Proton dealers ask for RM300k compensation when their business is closing down? Typical spoilt child, tzh tzh tzh … I also want to become one of them, sitting doing nothing, just wait for money to fall from sky (remember how arrogant was Proton salesmen during the 90s when Proton launched Wira model?Ya, those were the proud days of Proton) and crying for even more when it is raining!

]]> By: thecrash http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100477 thecrash Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:35:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100477 Basic - rear drum brake 1.6MT Solid ----- 45,350 1.6AT Solid ----- 48,350 1.6MT Metallic -- 45,800 1.6AT Metallic -- 48,800 Medium - airbag, rear disc brake,foldable RR seat, fog lamp,mp3, rear spoiler 1.6MT Metallic -- 49,800 1.6AT Metallic -- 52,800 High - Captor, airbag, abs, mp3, rear disc brake,foldable seat, fog lamp, safetint, rear spoiler 1.6AT Metallic -- 55,800 All inclusive insurance, EWP, first aid kit, safety triangle Basic – rear drum brake
1.6MT Solid —– 45,350
1.6AT Solid —– 48,350
1.6MT Metallic — 45,800
1.6AT Metallic — 48,800

Medium – airbag, rear disc brake,foldable RR seat, fog lamp,mp3, rear spoiler
1.6MT Metallic — 49,800
1.6AT Metallic — 52,800

High – Captor, airbag, abs, mp3, rear disc brake,foldable seat, fog lamp, safetint, rear spoiler
1.6AT Metallic — 55,800

All inclusive insurance, EWP, first aid kit, safety triangle

]]> By: Prem3377 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100474 Prem3377 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:16:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100474 neo2, the web link you gave is for car with zero tax!!which means sales tax and all...please get the fact rite..if you wanna know the actualy price of car which can be sold in malaysia without unecessary tax..check labuan and langkawi price... its impossible to sell cars in malaysia or any other coutry without tax...so dont demand for the impossible..then how the G gonna make money??even fast food restoran charge us 5% of sales takes and 10 % of service tax!!come on be logical please...the G needs money to survive and for investment... if you are a businessman u buy brand new camry for 60k to sell it..what price do u sell it??rm 60k also ar??so you wont make any profit??so what the use of doing a business then rite??please be realistic...almost every country charge tax for cars..and everything...in US the income tax is up to 30%...u buy cheap car there but u have to pay up 30% for income tax..so its almost the same situation in every country...the country survive because of tax...tax is important especially for developing country like us...honda accord in langkawi is rm 100k on da road..and in kl its rm 159000..so we are paying around 60 k for tax per honda accord for the G...yah it is too high, i do agree but again u cant get a honda accord or camry for the price of a waja!!!that wat i m trying to tell u... neo2,

the web link you gave is for car with zero tax!!which means sales tax and all…please get the fact rite..if you wanna know the actualy price of car which can be sold in malaysia without unecessary tax..check labuan and langkawi price…

its impossible to sell cars in malaysia or any other coutry without tax…so dont demand for the impossible..then how the G gonna make money??even fast food restoran charge us 5% of sales takes and 10 % of service tax!!come on be logical please…the G needs money to survive and for investment…

if you are a businessman u buy brand new camry for 60k to sell it..what price do u sell it??rm 60k also ar??so you wont make any profit??so what the use of doing a business then rite??please be realistic…almost every country charge tax for cars..and everything…in US the income tax is up to 30%…u buy cheap car there but u have to pay up 30% for income tax..so its almost the same situation in every country…the country survive because of tax…tax is important especially for developing country like us…honda accord in langkawi is rm 100k on da road..and in kl its rm 159000..so we are paying around 60 k for tax per honda accord for the G…yah it is too high, i do agree but again u cant get a honda accord or camry for the price of a waja!!!that wat i m trying to tell u…

]]> By: proton.GL.. http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100473 proton.GL.. Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:16:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100473 proton got every thing now ,importantly platforms n engines and others like tech bits just an add on in order to keep up with automotive development, -no reason to trash proton, well, car assembly is just another possible extension of proton might to be, proton got every thing now ,importantly platforms n engines and others like tech bits just an add on in order to keep up with automotive development,
-no reason to trash proton,

well, car assembly is just another possible extension of proton might to be,

]]> By: zreen http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100470 zreen Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:08:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100470 what a stupid opinion by a bloody politician.....why concern 'bout a profit...? u must think 4 a long term....not just bloody money....!!..no wonder our football is become worst....all bzoc of same type of bloody politician minded....sellfish...!! what a stupid opinion by a bloody politician…..why concern ’bout a profit…? u must think 4 a long term….not just bloody money….!!..no wonder our football is become worst….all bzoc of same type of bloody politician minded….sellfish…!!

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100466 szw Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:56:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100466 shut up stupid paud fella. go drive a perodua... its a very safe car 4 you. shut up stupid paud fella.
go drive a perodua…
its a very safe car 4 you.

]]> By: Prem3377 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100463 Prem3377 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:51:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100463 sorry bout my grammar and spelling in da post above...was typing kinda fast cause i am at work...hope its understandable..haha sorry bout my grammar and spelling in da post above…was typing kinda fast cause i am at work…hope its understandable..haha

]]> By: Prem3377 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100461 Prem3377 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:38:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100461 what crap???perodua is the realy assembler..not proton!!!we only buy gearbox now..and that also not for long..but perodua only produce the body panels..so whose the assembler?? how come the dumpo PUAD can come come with something stupid like this???assembler??toyota have their thoer own assembly line..so does most major car manufacturer in malaysia..they also have in thailand...and labour cost there is way much cheaper..so which company gonna ask proton for help??think before you talk la!!!CRAP...then u gonna cheat rakyat with 1.3 cc car with rm 51 k price tag???just because the engine got DVVT,door can open 80 degree...foldable seats abs and airbag..i wanna sell so much..so if proton assemble..how can the price of larger cars be cheaper than 51k??its not gonna make any different!! people who ask to close down proton..think a million times before u guys talk...and dont be selfish...u think you wont be affected if proton close down??and u will get cheaper cars??dream on guys...if proton close down..more than a million ppl will be directly affected!!from the factory worker to ur neighbourhood mechanics...accesory dealer to car dealers..local parts produces to retail shops wic sell spare parts...from service center to petrol station..from saga drivers to perdana v6 drivers...from used car dealer to newspaper classified add seller and advertiser...its not as simple as saying close shop..sell the factory and balik rumah...proton had help us alot directly or indirectly...u think if there is other car manufacturer..i mean foreign manufacturers will care so much??today many south east asia automotive industry is kinda active and easy to sell..if our economy suddenly fall..or decrease...the manufacturer will find another country to shift their manufacuring plant...africa,south america,india and china is yet to be fully explored!!this foreign manufacturer same like british people..when our country had bijih timah..all came here and make the most out of it..yes many here made money but its was just a small portion of what the british ppl made...and when the bijih timah all habis...the gave us independence and went back,that wat they did to india...and all the country they ruled..so its just the same...but many just dont realize this... imagine there is gold mine...sure many mining company wanna extract the gold...and once there is no more goldin da mine..will the company stay here and help the country develop??will they?they will just go after a new gold mine!!thats why proton is important to our country,its not just selling cars, but buliding a nation!!like petronas twin tower..its not just another tower...its a nation symbol..not just for nation pride and a waste of money like many tink...just say paris?what most of us will tink of??effiel tower..right??so its a free add....and the world will know where and wat kl is..proton was a cleaver investment..and a jump start for our automotive industry and heavy industries..so its not easy closing proton...or making them assembler..yah many they will make money now..but when foreign manufacturers get a new gold mine..they will leave proton and the country..then what we gonna do??tell me... and about the car price..they will never go down even if proton close shop...or become an assembler.....toyota,nissan and honda are selling cars here at lower price because of proton..they wanna compete here with proton..if proton close shop..they will maintain the current price or hike up futher,cause they will be the next choice if u wanna own a car...no proton so u wanna drive a myvi for the rest of ur life??obviously no!!so wat sedan can be ur next choice??vios and city...can most u afford to pay rm 700 to 1000 a month for a car??ans is no again..so think again!!!other the stupid G would have closed proton years ago!!!its not only national pride..but survival of a nation for da long term!!!dont be selfish and just think of the short term benefits if there is any!!! what crap???perodua is the realy assembler..not proton!!!we only buy gearbox now..and that also not for long..but perodua only produce the body panels..so whose the assembler?? how come the dumpo PUAD can come come with something stupid like this???assembler??toyota have their thoer own assembly line..so does most major car manufacturer in malaysia..they also have in thailand…and labour cost there is way much cheaper..so which company gonna ask proton for help??think before you talk la!!!CRAP…then u gonna cheat rakyat with 1.3 cc car with rm 51 k price tag???just because the engine got DVVT,door can open 80 degree…foldable seats abs and airbag..i wanna sell so much..so if proton assemble..how can the price of larger cars be cheaper than 51k??its not gonna make any different!!

people who ask to close down proton..think a million times before u guys talk…and dont be selfish…u think you wont be affected if proton close down??and u will get cheaper cars??dream on guys…if proton close down..more than a million ppl will be directly affected!!from the factory worker to ur neighbourhood mechanics…accesory dealer to car dealers..local parts produces to retail shops wic sell spare parts…from service center to petrol station..from saga drivers to perdana v6 drivers…from used car dealer to newspaper classified add seller and advertiser…its not as simple as saying close shop..sell the factory and balik rumah…proton had help us alot directly or indirectly…u think if there is other car manufacturer..i mean foreign manufacturers will care so much??today many south east asia automotive industry is kinda active and easy to sell..if our economy suddenly fall..or decrease…the manufacturer will find another country to shift their manufacuring plant…africa,south america,india and china is yet to be fully explored!!this foreign manufacturer same like british people..when our country had bijih timah..all came here and make the most out of it..yes many here made money but its was just a small portion of what the british ppl made…and when the bijih timah all habis…the gave us independence and went back,that wat they did to india…and all the country they ruled..so its just the same…but many just dont realize this…

imagine there is gold mine…sure many mining company wanna extract the gold…and once there is no more goldin da mine..will the company stay here and help the country develop??will they?they will just go after a new gold mine!!thats why proton is important to our country,its not just selling cars, but buliding a nation!!like petronas twin tower..its not just another tower…its a nation symbol..not just for nation pride and a waste of money like many tink…just say paris?what most of us will tink of??effiel tower..right??so its a free add….and the world will know where and wat kl is..proton was a cleaver investment..and a jump start for our automotive industry and heavy industries..so its not easy closing proton…or making them assembler..yah many they will make money now..but when foreign manufacturers get a new gold mine..they will leave proton and the country..then what we gonna do??tell me…

and about the car price..they will never go down even if proton close shop…or become an assembler…..toyota,nissan and honda are selling cars here at lower price because of proton..they wanna compete here with proton..if proton close shop..they will maintain the current price or hike up futher,cause they will be the next choice if u wanna own a car…no proton so u wanna drive a myvi for the rest of ur life??obviously no!!so wat sedan can be ur next choice??vios and city…can most u afford to pay rm 700 to 1000 a month for a car??ans is no again..so think again!!!other the stupid G would have closed proton years ago!!!its not only national pride..but survival of a nation for da long term!!!dont be selfish and just think of the short term benefits if there is any!!!

]]> By: acbc http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100456 acbc Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:39:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100456 A good question here... which partner is interested in Proton? Mitsubishi, VW, GM, Peugeot all gone with the wind... anyone else? Naza? If they were to take over Proton, it will become an assembler only for other marques that Naza distributes. For Proton to survive, they need to take other businesses also... like assembling imported only marques such as VW, Mitsubishi, Subaru and etc... don't restrict to 1 marque only. However, QC department must improve overnight. A good question here… which partner is interested in Proton? Mitsubishi, VW, GM, Peugeot all gone with the wind… anyone else?

Naza? If they were to take over Proton, it will become an assembler only for other marques that Naza distributes.

For Proton to survive, they need to take other businesses also… like assembling imported only marques such as VW, Mitsubishi, Subaru and etc… don’t restrict to 1 marque only. However, QC department must improve overnight.

]]> By: kei9 http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100454 kei9 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:24:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100454 what the hell? its not what i think...... what the hell? its not what i think……

]]> By: 1NZFE http://paultan.org/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100452 1NZFE Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:06:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/07/19/puad-proton-should-be-turned-into-an-assembler/#comment-100452 I think the problem is competation among car manufaturers. P2 is already joint venture with Toyota n daihatsu, provide a large segment of cars frm supermin car to a pick-up truck n also Naza, drb-hicom n etc.. So I suggest P1 must quickly find a partner in this world of competation. But i not understand y joint venture between P1 n mitsu is broken in 2004??? If not, they will become a 1 group. I think the problem is competation among car manufaturers. P2 is already joint venture with Toyota n daihatsu, provide a large segment of cars frm supermin car to a pick-up truck n also Naza, drb-hicom n etc..
So I suggest P1 must quickly find a partner in this world of competation.
But i not understand y joint venture between P1 n mitsu is broken in 2004???
If not, they will become a 1 group.

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