VW + Proton + government (GLC) = ?

VW + Proton = GoodPartnership (WIN-WIN)

Never the less, GLC will not be so easily back down and furthermore as domestic sales and revenue coming in from new models. Maybe Proton survived this round, but it have to prove itself to be one of the leading international automaker..

So better luck next time VW. I’m sure you have bigger plans working with Proton if GLC not involved.

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September 18, 2007 @ 3:29 pm

f**k proton. its place for inefficient people. come on. u guys know it. just kill proton. err…or sell it to people who can manage it better…

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u think easily proton can close shop..it easier to kill u than kill proton..u are crazy man..what a mess

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in my opinion.mitsubishi teach proton how to assemble a car but they never teach protonn how to built a car..mitsubishi only give their old technology..i think u sendiri can understand.can u stat every technologies that proton get from mitsubishi?only start from waja only proton start proton their own car..proton and mitsubishi maybe not suitable partner because mistubishi kedekut ilmu sgt..so we have to wait n see how proton-VW partner will be
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OK. Do you agree that everything has a cost? Do you agree that there is no such thing as free lunch? Now, let’s look at what happened. Back in 1985, Mitsubishi agreed to partner with Proton and offered 3 models. For this partnership, Mitsubishi is NOT ALLOWED to sell ANY of their cars for 15 years. That is why Mitsubishi was never in Malaysia until a few years ago. Now, when the 3 models (Saga, Wira & Perdana) project was completed, Proton decided not to continue with Mitsubishi and instead, went into an agreement with Citreon and came out with a junk called Tiara. So, what’s the conclusion?

Do not just look at the surface. Everything happens for a reason and the reason why Proton is rotting today is because of all the politicians who are only interested about making money for their own pocket. They are the ones who supply power windows that can only work for a few weeks. They are the ones who supply signal lights that will drop off over bumps. The list goes on.

I hear a lot who complained that foreigners tamak, nak telan Proton, etc etc. Kalau bukan Mitsubishi, Proton tak kan wujud. End of story. BUT Mitsubishi did help and Proton was borned. Whether you like it or not, Mitsubishi IS the FATHER of Proton.

With that, I want you to put YOURSELF into Mitsubishi’s position. As the technology partner you provide all the blueprint and components to Proton and Proton then pass them to local manufacturers who then fabricate the parts and supply them back to Proton. However, instead of quality products guarantee, they only guarantee HIGH PROFIT to these politically controlled suppliers but LOW QUALITY to Proton. Who lose? ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BUYS AN INFERIOR PROTON CAR. If you are Mitsubishi, will you be happy? A global standard Japanese manufacturer suddenly go into a partnership and end up creating cars with power windows that don’t work and signal lights that drops off after going over a pothole? Kalau kat Jepun, Mitsubishi dah buat recall dan beri public apology. Kat sini ada pe? Standard la, ni hal biasa. Semua Proton sama je. Memang cam tu. Bangga ke? Third world standard ni? Malaysia’s Pride and Joy? Comparable with Mexican cars?

Proton can only be Malaysia’s Pride and Joy WHEN they produce cars that is ON PAR with Japanese. Not when they are worse than Korean el cheapo. Can Proton be on par with Japanese? OF COURSE! If we can assemble Mercedes, BMW, Audi, WHY NOT? HOW? By removing ALL the politicians from Proton and let it run as a proper company. As simple as that.

Now do you understand why VW wants these conditions? Because VW wants to make sure that Proton WILL BE successful. They can turn Proton into a world class manufacturer! But how many Malaysians what that? No… they rather have non-working windows.

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Of course VW is trying to be the one of the major player in this region, but the situation now is that VW has the power to sqeeze proton’s balls. proton’s already rotting in the coffers and they need a saviour like VW. So business is business. A win win situation will arrive I guess, but more towards VW’s side.

Hah, proton = my national pride = my foot. 20 years down the road and still going backwards. Now that’s what I call a true malaysian jaguh kampung.

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September 17, 2007 @ 12:54 pm

OK, I’m really curious now. What has Mitsubishi done to Proton? It was TDM who asked the Japanese for help in creating Proton and Mitsubishi was willing to be the partner. Or maybe you’re still in diapers when that happened more than 20 years ago? Can Proton exist without Mitsubishi’s help? Think about it. Jangan senang-senang lupa kan jasa orang lain selepas mendapat agenda sendiri.

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in my opinion.mitsubishi teach proton how to assemble a car but they never teach protonn how to built a car..mitsubishi only give their old technology..i think u sendiri can understand.can u stat every technologies that proton get from mitsubishi?only start from waja only proton start proton their own car..proton and mitsubishi maybe not suitable partner because mistubishi kedekut ilmu sgt..so we have to wait n see how proton-VW partner will be

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NoToLowQuality…do you think that Proton will receive sales aids and technology transfer from VW?or it will become what mitsubishi has done to proton?i just ask u opinion
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OK, I’m really curious now. What has Mitsubishi done to Proton? It was TDM who asked the Japanese for help in creating Proton and Mitsubishi was willing to be the partner. Or maybe you’re still in diapers when that happened more than 20 years ago? Can Proton exist without Mitsubishi’s help? Think about it. Jangan senang-senang lupa kan jasa orang lain selepas mendapat agenda sendiri.

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dear KL-ATR..

do you have a import car huh?or u cannot afford to buy that why u only can blablabla..i can afford to buy the import car but i dont want.what the advantage if u buy import car?can u explain detail?u think what the government use the tax that they collect.they use to subsidies our fuel lol.dont be so stupid.how you can say that proton sucks people money??can u explain huh..with fact..simply dont talk rubbish..everything has its own pro and contra..what small brain person
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Dear akshen_kamen, you want proof? You shall have it. Vios in Thailand is being sold at Thai Baht 509,000 or RM 55,326 at current low exchange of 9.2. How much is Vios here? 70k? That’s how much tax the government is taking. What else do you want to explain? Do you know how to read financial reports before you call others small brain? Proof of Vios cost in Thailand at link below:
http://www.toyota.co.th/red/th/model/vios/vios_home.htm

If you can’t see the HINT of what car I drive, so sorry la. And if you cannot tell the difference between a Proton and other cars, I feel even more sorry for you.

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Sorry Mr Paul, just my imagination….

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yo kid.. pls don be sooo naive.. in this world there is no such thing as free food. expecting VW to give in their technology is like asking them to give everything to proton. when VW taking over proton… they are expecting proton to perform just like the other car maker. For sure help will be given such as guide as VW is more experience.

if proton fail or cannot meet VW expectation, VW will just sell it off to cut lost. that’s business.

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http://www.seat.co.uk/generator/su/uk/newToledo/site/performance/power/main,lang=en,templateId=carspec-toledo,modelyear=2008,carname=toledo,eng=2.0+TDI+DSG.html

Seat have 2.0 TDI wif DSG gearbox also…

http://new.skoda-auto.com/COM/model/octavia/facts/Pages/OctaviaFacts.aspx

Skoda have 1.8TSi engine wif DSG gearbox also… They have 6-speed manual to choose…

So if u think VW will just dump old technology to Proton after buying i doubt it.. Coz VW want more company to use his new technology so when mass produce, the new technology will be cheaper.. Do u think VW will be so stupid? already doing it to skoda & seat but not us? Sure the G will be mad at VW!

I am hoping that the engine + gearbox of proton car can improve… in this era, at least a 6-speed manual or a 5-speed auto is a must to improve FC!

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“dasar org barat punya attitude..never be grateful..”

i just wonder what kind of “GREAT FOOLS” u have about proton..

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“can anybody give their opinion the true reason for VW taking over proton?..from the VW point of view”

no need anybody to give.. Paul Tan will give u.

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/12/07/jmepa-the-reason-volkswagen-wants-proton/

if u r new in this proton issue, pls read more b4 give ur own opinion about proton n the G.

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If Proton fail in dealing with VW tie up, and to demonstrate it is truely Malaysia, it must at least kick out the cronies!

Lotus never lost it Britishness or look more Protoness by virtue of Proton have majority controling share over it!

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…said akshen_kamen

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thanx bro..u need 2 know that PROTON is our pride..whi will defend it if its not us…like i said b4..dasar org barat punya attitude..never be grateful..

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razor_clawzz said

“Manufacturers do not inflate their prices. It’s when their products enter a certain region, and local authorities start to dictate the cost of ownership….”

how you know about this?have your working with G ah?do you have actual face??
i give u two choice..
1. u drive a foreign car but with petrol price rm 4 per liter
2. u drive local car but the price only 1.92
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You give those two freaking lousy choices? It is just like ask people to choose the human faeces or cow dung? What a moronic statement!

OK now I have third choice, that is drive foreign car with lowest price under free market but the petrol remain “subsidize” at RM 1.92 per litre. This is a fact of life in Langkawi, go and travel to Langkawi to find out this naked truth for yourself.

WHY and WHY: -
1. Why relate the price of imported car to the fuel price? NAP-compliance prohibitive tax structure just mentioned Excise Duty, Import Duty and Sales Tax. The fact is there is no tax related to “fuel tax” or the like that indicate this tax is to compensate the subsidy for fuel?

2. Why we deserve for fuel subsidy, it is simply because it is gov social obligation to give back the benefit of oil wealth to the rakyat. Malaysia is still nett oil exporting country, our fuel subsidy is the lowest among OPEC country. In Brunei or UAE, their petrol cost at most half of Malaysia fuel price only.

3. Also why related the subsidy of fuel to imported car only when we have our own so call “national car”? Fuel especially diesel is consume substantially in manufacturing industry like electronic, computer or electrical sector. Why don’t related the computer, TV, fridge, washing machine to fuel subsidy. Why imported electrical, electronic and computer stuff can sell under free market price without NAP-compliance tax? Because no “national computer or electrical maker”? Why and why?

4. Why sell Proton car lowest (some below cost) in oversea market like UAE?

http://www.drivearabia.com/proton/

The facts is there is no relationship between the gov subsidy for fuel and NAP-compliance prohibitive tax for imported car. We desrve better deal with lowest car price yet enjoy the subsidy of fuel.

Don’t be fool by those protonomic moronic assumption that without high tax for imported car, there is no fuel subsidy to enjoy! And of course don’t be “katak dibawah tempurung” saying that without Proton, majority of Proton car owner able to own motorbike or bicycle only. These two assumptions are freaking self confuse false statement that defy the basic economic knowledge!

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what u are saying is like we cannot but nokia, motorola hand phone.. or intel, amd cpu cause we are losing foreign exchange to the west. y don the G create their national computer processor, national hand phone maker ? it is not true of what u just mention and is total rubbish!!

just look at the technology industry in Malaysia. Top brand like intel invest heavily in Pg cause the G inpose no tax for them, thus create jobs for lots of people. they even setup a Design Center in Pg.

If toyota, honda can invest in Malaysia without heavy tax, they will one day setup their design team here as well if malaysian r truely capable of it. that’s the pride i would like !!

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yo kid n joker of the year… i know u tak baca buku one.. but we forgive u. this is nothing to do with bashing proton but pure facts

http://paultan.org/archives/2006/03/25/customs-cbu-vehicle-gazetted-price-list/

goto this web site and click on the PDF file of pricelist. u will not find corola inside but u can see that toyota wish MPV is even cheaper than WAJA.

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8)Mitsubishi said bye bye and p1 went into a chaotic state.

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you really cant get facts right isn’t it?

1)Manufactures dont inflate prices, its G’s protectionist regime that impose heavy taxes that cause the prices of cars to go up. If proton does not exist, competition still exists between cars from japan, korea and euro.So prices will be still competitive. Now that is logic.

2)How old are you seriously or do you even go to school?

3)What does working with G got to do with knowing whether the prices will be the same competitive level a not? Its pure basic economic sense.

4)I rather pay more for a safer car in terms of petrol. And the other thing, petrol consumption of most japanese car has better mileage then other local cars.

5)corolla Altis and waja same price? haha if taxes are 0% , corolla will be even more cheaper than waja.

6)If you can afford, so why not buy one? or maybe you want quantity rather than quality.

7) Proton is in the situation of “get rich or die tryin” – 50 cent

8)Your proton is also not truly malaysian.Once mistsubishi says bye-bye, p1 when into a chaotic state.

9)I believe most people in this forum has driven a proton before they switch to foreign cars and everyone hopes the best for proton as it has became part of our life before.Pride and joy, yes i notice strong nationalist spirits in Malaysians and im proud of it. Why not sacrifice some pride and joy for even better and bigger PRIDE n JOY in the future. Think again.

10)What is ‘Are you period’? Your english is so powDerfull.

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Apa-apa pun keputusan yang akan dibuat, biarlah untuk kebaikkan semua pihak.

Anyway, whatever it is, I hope it’s for the better of Proton.

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