Comments on: Airbags can cause second degree burns http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:17 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116693 The Unicons Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:15:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116693 hughie522 said, October 21, 2007 @ 2:01 pm I think I’d rather have a slight burn and an abrasion than fatal head injuries, thankyou very much… If you think you can survive a head-on-collision with a lorry because your seat is adjusted properly than you can go right ahead. AIRBAGS. SAVE. LIVES. To hughie522, Based on the case above. The lady driver sustained deep dermal second degree burns from the gases when her airbag inflated on impact. These gases that escape from the airbag as it deflates after deployment can be as hot as 500 degrees Celcius. These burns take a long time to heal and risk scarring. Hahaha.... you said slight burn? If you think you can survive a head on collision with a lorry because you have 10 airbags in your car and with bad sitting position, not necessary. That's the attitude for many drivers. They think their car(s) come with all the safety features mean they are always safe. I think you are one of those "half sleeping" seat position person out there! No matter what, we must understand and well educated about safe driving and keep safe when we are on the road. Understand those safety features in your car and only with proper sitting position, usage and maintenance, only then those "safety gadget" can function well do it jobs as it suppose to. hughie522 said,
October 21, 2007 @ 2:01 pm

I think I’d rather have a slight burn and an abrasion than fatal head injuries, thankyou very much…

If you think you can survive a head-on-collision with a lorry because your seat is adjusted properly than you can go right ahead.

AIRBAGS. SAVE. LIVES.

To hughie522, Based on the case above. The lady driver sustained deep dermal second degree burns from the gases when her airbag inflated on impact. These gases that escape from the airbag as it deflates after deployment can be as hot as 500 degrees Celcius. These burns take a long time to heal and risk scarring.

Hahaha…. you said slight burn? If you think you can survive a head on collision with a lorry because you have 10 airbags in your car and with bad sitting position, not necessary. That’s the attitude for many drivers. They think their car(s) come with all the safety features mean they are always safe. I think you are one of those “half sleeping” seat position person out there!

No matter what, we must understand and well educated about safe driving and keep safe when we are on the road. Understand those safety features in your car and only with proper sitting position, usage and maintenance, only then those “safety gadget” can function well do it jobs as it suppose to.

]]> By: hughie522 http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116691 hughie522 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:01:29 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116691 I think I'd rather have a slight burn and an abrasion than fatal head injuries, thankyou very much... If you think you can survive a head-on-collision with a lorry because your seat is adjusted properly than you can go right ahead. AIRBAGS. SAVE. LIVES. I think I’d rather have a slight burn and an abrasion than fatal head injuries, thankyou very much…

If you think you can survive a head-on-collision with a lorry because your seat is adjusted properly than you can go right ahead.

AIRBAGS. SAVE. LIVES.

]]> By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116460 The Unicons Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:11:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116460 Hi tokmoh. How are you doing? Actually I was out of country for nearly 3 weeks and only back on 3 October and only managed post 1 message here regarding the Toyota Vios on 5 October. By the way, kinda busy recently with my job and testing few cars including today test drive the Toyota Vios. Sorry Paul, tokmoh was asking about me so I just answering his regards. Happy motoring! Hi tokmoh. How are you doing? Actually I was out of country for nearly 3 weeks and only back on 3 October and only managed post 1 message here regarding the Toyota Vios on 5 October.

By the way, kinda busy recently with my job and testing few cars including today test drive the Toyota Vios.

Sorry Paul, tokmoh was asking about me so I just answering his regards.

Happy motoring!

]]> By: tokmoh http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116412 tokmoh Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:28:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116412 Gus-Gus said, October 19, 2007 @ 9:35 am aesthari, my comment about safe driving is about people exactly like the nose-picking uncle and the gossipy aunty - they are not safe drivers which is why they cause accidents. If they didn’t do that, they probably wouldn’t cause accidents because they’d be paying attention to the road. Yes, accidents happen - that is why they’re called accidents - but it is possible to try to reduce the likelihood. ----------------------------- >>>I guess it is up to the driving school to stress more on the importance of being disciplined while driving. I've read elsewhere abt studies showed that inattentiveness is the major contributor to accidents, so staying alert otr is very important guys. Cruising slowly is boring, which is why I opposed the reduction in speed limit from 90km/h to 80km/h. It will only serve to delay the traffic and bore the drivers to death as there's nothing much to do. Hey Unicons!! It's been awhile I haven't seen u!! Where've u been? Gus-Gus said,

October 19, 2007 @ 9:35 am

aesthari, my comment about safe driving is about people exactly like the nose-picking uncle and the gossipy aunty – they are not safe drivers which is why they cause accidents. If they didn’t do that, they probably wouldn’t cause accidents because they’d be paying attention to the road.

Yes, accidents happen – that is why they’re called accidents – but it is possible to try to reduce the likelihood.
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>>>I guess it is up to the driving school to stress more on the importance of being disciplined while driving.

I’ve read elsewhere abt studies showed that inattentiveness is the major contributor to accidents, so staying alert otr is very important guys.

Cruising slowly is boring, which is why I opposed the reduction in speed limit from 90km/h to 80km/h. It will only serve to delay the traffic and bore the drivers to death as there’s nothing much to do.

Hey Unicons!! It’s been awhile I haven’t seen u!! Where’ve u been?

]]> By: mits27 http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116273 mits27 Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:58:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116273 I know the new 2008 honda accord has the dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, deploy the airbag speed depands on the driving speed... "In the event of a frontal impact, the dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags (SRS) inflate at different rates depending upon crash severity and seat belt use and are designed to help prevent head and upper-body injuries." http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/features.aspx?Feature=srs I know the new 2008 honda accord has the dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags, deploy the airbag speed depands on the driving speed…

“In the event of a frontal impact, the dual-stage, dual-threshold front airbags (SRS) inflate at different rates depending upon crash severity and seat belt use and are designed to help prevent head and upper-body injuries.”

http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan/features.aspx?Feature=srs

]]> By: armandd http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116256 armandd Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:23:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116256 there are people who actually think they don't have to wear seat belts because.. "my car have airbags meh..". there are people who actually think they don’t have to wear seat belts because.. “my car have airbags meh..”.

]]> By: BigFish http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116183 BigFish Fri, 19 Oct 2007 06:19:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116183 Accidents is beyond the control of drivers, but safe driving is totally depend on the attitude of the driver. The key word here is still drive carefully and "correctly". Accidents is beyond the control of drivers, but safe driving is totally depend on the attitude of the driver. The key word here is still drive carefully and “correctly”.

]]> By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116177 The Unicons Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:56:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116177 I agree with Tracks and Gus-Gus again. Hahaha.... I agree with Tracks and Gus-Gus again. Hahaha….

]]> By: Gus-Gus http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116116 Gus-Gus Fri, 19 Oct 2007 01:35:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116116 The Unicorns, I agree with you about seating position. Sometimes I see drivers with their seats reclined to such an angle that I wonder how they manage to stay awake while driving. Then there are drivers who sit so close to the steering wheel and hug it like a security wheel! Air bags or no air bags - in an accident, they'd either sustain horrible injuries from hitting the steering wheel or the inflating air bag. aesthari, my comment about safe driving is about people exactly like the nose-picking uncle and the gossipy aunty - they are not safe drivers which is why they cause accidents. If they didn't do that, they probably wouldn't cause accidents because they'd be paying attention to the road. Yes, accidents happen - that is why they're called accidents - but it is possible to try to reduce the likelihood. The Unicorns, I agree with you about seating position. Sometimes I see drivers with their seats reclined to such an angle that I wonder how they manage to stay awake while driving. Then there are drivers who sit so close to the steering wheel and hug it like a security wheel! Air bags or no air bags – in an accident, they’d either sustain horrible injuries from hitting the steering wheel or the inflating air bag.

aesthari, my comment about safe driving is about people exactly like the nose-picking uncle and the gossipy aunty – they are not safe drivers which is why they cause accidents. If they didn’t do that, they probably wouldn’t cause accidents because they’d be paying attention to the road.

Yes, accidents happen – that is why they’re called accidents – but it is possible to try to reduce the likelihood.

]]> By: Tracks http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116012 Tracks Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:20:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116012 Newer Air-Bags system have different deployment speed depending of the divers weight or impact speed. These would reduce the risk of injury arising from the deployment of the Air-Bags.\ As for Side Air-Bags & Curtain Air-bags, I think they offer more protection than harm in an event of side impact. I fully agree with Unicons on the importance of seating position. Worst is that there are idiots out there who install a seat belt stopper to allow slacking of the seat belt for comfort without realising the important of it being snug. Imagine if the car is equip with seat belt pretensioner and you have installed this kind of device. Would it be still effective? Drive safely everyone but accidents do happen somehow, someday. Newer Air-Bags system have different deployment speed depending of the divers weight or impact speed. These would reduce the risk of injury arising from the deployment of the Air-Bags.\

As for Side Air-Bags & Curtain Air-bags, I think they offer more protection than harm in an event of side impact.

I fully agree with Unicons on the importance of seating position. Worst is that there are idiots out there who install a seat belt stopper to allow slacking of the seat belt for comfort without realising the important of it being snug. Imagine if the car is equip with seat belt pretensioner and you have installed this kind of device. Would it be still effective?

Drive safely everyone but accidents do happen somehow, someday.

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116006 mystvearn Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:56:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-116006 you sure the women was driving with head not on top of the steering? I still see a lot of people who don't know how to drive properly you sure the women was driving with head not on top of the steering? I still see a lot of people who don’t know how to drive properly

]]> By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115960 The Unicons Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:52:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115960 Good post Mr. Paul Tan. At least it shows the Pros and Cons of the airbags. Those "safety gadgets" in cars don't always make us feel safer. Yes, it helps and it might not too just like the case above. Sometimes it do falls so as the owner just make sure we send our car to qualified technicians to checkup our car(s) including "safety gadgets" such as airbags, brakes, ABS, Traction Control Systems and so on. Not just to change your cars' engine oil and oil filter. Hahaha.... Good post Mr. Paul Tan. At least it shows the Pros and Cons of the airbags. Those “safety gadgets” in cars don’t always make us feel safer. Yes, it helps and it might not too just like the case above. Sometimes it do falls so as the owner just make sure we send our car to qualified technicians to checkup our car(s) including “safety gadgets” such as airbags, brakes, ABS, Traction Control Systems and so on. Not just to change your cars’ engine oil and oil filter. Hahaha….

]]> By: The Unicons http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115959 The Unicons Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:45:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115959 To Gus-Gus. Yes but not really true for those below 5'2" will killed by the airbag(s) caused by the impact. Actually what ever height you are, airbag(s) will kill if your sitting position is not right. You must seat up straight and more than 10 inches away from the steering wheel or front airbag located at the dashboard. Those who like to drive or sit by adjusting the seat at the "half sleeping" position, the airbag(s) will not safe you either. Those who like to drive by adjusting the seating position too near to the steering wheel will also suffer even greater injuries as the impact from deployment of airbag when collision happen. Just make sure you send your car for airbags checkup or replace the airbags when EXPIRED! Yes, airbags do expired! So make sure you do that. Not sure about the version. Last time, airbags were based on mechanical type, then electronics type where sensors are being used and located at particular areas of a car and it is based on either single stage or dual stage (which are currently used by more and more manufacturers). The airbags with hearing capabilities meaning by receiving the sound of the impact once collision happen is now under R&D. This will deploy the airbags much more faster than the current type and with different stages. Just my 2 cents. Happy motoring and drive and keep safe everyone. To Gus-Gus. Yes but not really true for those below 5′2″ will killed by the airbag(s) caused by the impact. Actually what ever height you are, airbag(s) will kill if your sitting position is not right. You must seat up straight and more than 10 inches away from the steering wheel or front airbag located at the dashboard. Those who like to drive or sit by adjusting the seat at the “half sleeping” position, the airbag(s) will not safe you either. Those who like to drive by adjusting the seating position too near to the steering wheel will also suffer even greater injuries as the impact from deployment of airbag when collision happen.

Just make sure you send your car for airbags checkup or replace the airbags when EXPIRED! Yes, airbags do expired! So make sure you do that.

Not sure about the version. Last time, airbags were based on mechanical type, then electronics type where sensors are being used and located at particular areas of a car and it is based on either single stage or dual stage (which are currently used by more and more manufacturers). The airbags with hearing capabilities meaning by receiving the sound of the impact once collision happen is now under R&D. This will deploy the airbags much more faster than the current type and with different stages.

Just my 2 cents. Happy motoring and drive and keep safe everyone.

]]> By: nobodyatuk http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115936 nobodyatuk Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:40:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115936 Airbag concept is good and it has helped alot in preventing further injuries to victims during crash. This unfortunate lady may have an older design airbag. Like all product, improvements to the design are being done constantly. Anyway, the best thing not to do is getting yourself involve in a collision. Drive carefully and observe the speed limits. Airbag concept is good and it has helped alot in preventing further injuries to victims during crash. This unfortunate lady may have an older design airbag. Like all product, improvements to the design are being done constantly. Anyway, the best thing not to do is getting yourself involve in a collision. Drive carefully and observe the speed limits.

]]> By: mild7 http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115935 mild7 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:27:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115935 i never know our airbag system available in VERSION!!!! anybody to clarify this point?!??!!?!!?!? i never know our airbag system available in VERSION!!!! anybody to clarify this point?!??!!?!!?!?

]]> By: wong http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115913 wong Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:41:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115913 accidents happens, no one can predict,just keep on driving safely.....still much safer than riding motorbikes... accidents happens, no one can predict,just keep on driving safely…..still much safer than riding motorbikes…

]]> By: mitlanevo http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115869 mitlanevo Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:55:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115869 oh god, this is terrible..... "but sometimes, accidents happen to you, even if you drive safely" strongly agree!!! oh god, this is terrible…..

“but sometimes, accidents happen to you, even if you drive safely”

strongly agree!!!

]]> By: aesthari http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115862 aesthari Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:13:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115862 Gus-Gus: Well said, but sometimes, accidents happen to you, even if you drive safely. Thanks to the uncle who was busy digging his nose while driving or to the aunty who's busy yakking about discounts to her friend :p I still find the notion of a bag inflating faster than Bruce Banner / The Hulk in your face very scary. And anyone watched Final Destination 2? Airbags are scary :p Gus-Gus:

Well said, but sometimes, accidents happen to you, even if you drive safely. Thanks to the uncle who was busy digging his nose while driving or to the aunty who’s busy yakking about discounts to her friend :p

I still find the notion of a bag inflating faster than Bruce Banner / The Hulk in your face very scary. And anyone watched Final Destination 2? Airbags are scary :p

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115861 szw Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:13:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115861 lets pump cold air into the airbags lets pump cold air into the airbags

]]> By: Gus-Gus http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115855 Gus-Gus Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:52:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115855 And what they don't tell you is that AIRBAGS CAN KILL. Forget about lacerations and burns and deafness; if you are the 'wrong' height - 5ft 2in and under, the impact of the airbag can kill you. You can recover from cuts and burns and adjust to deafness - there is no recovery from death. ABS brakes, side impact bars. seat belt pre-tensioners are better but nothing beats being a safe driver so that you don't cause an accident in which someone gets hurt or killed. And what they don’t tell you is that AIRBAGS CAN KILL. Forget about lacerations and burns and deafness; if you are the ‘wrong’ height – 5ft 2in and under, the impact of the airbag can kill you. You can recover from cuts and burns and adjust to deafness – there is no recovery from death.
ABS brakes, side impact bars. seat belt pre-tensioners are better but nothing beats being a safe driver so that you don’t cause an accident in which someone gets hurt or killed.

]]> By: transformer http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115854 transformer Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:39:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115854 Then we'll be expecting a V2.0 ? So when will we be getting SRS Airbag V2.0 ? ABS already reached V8.0 in 2003..... Sometime, i couldn't wonder what version are we getting in Persona, Viva, Vios, Latio, Swift and etc... http://www.bosch.com/assets/en/company/innovation/theme03.htm Then we’ll be expecting a V2.0 ?
So when will we be getting SRS Airbag V2.0 ?

ABS already reached V8.0 in 2003….. Sometime, i couldn’t wonder what version are we getting in Persona, Viva, Vios, Latio, Swift and etc…

http://www.bosch.com/assets/en/company/innovation/theme03.htm

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115845 4G63T DSM Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:40:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115845 Thats no new news... I dont think airbags are necessary (yes, I agree they help). If you buckle up properly and adjust your seat well, chances are for you to hit the steering wheel on a crash is unlikely, unlesss you are way above highway legal speeds. I crashed a E38 Galant at 80km/h into a Ford Windstar, and walked off with only a sore neck for the next few days. What matters most is not how many airbags you have, but how you crash and what you crash into. Chassis design helps alot in cases like these. That said, side impact airbags help quite a bit. Thats no new news…

I dont think airbags are necessary (yes, I agree they help). If you buckle up properly and adjust your seat well, chances are for you to hit the steering wheel on a crash is unlikely, unlesss you are way above highway legal speeds.

I crashed a E38 Galant at 80km/h into a Ford Windstar, and walked off with only a sore neck for the next few days. What matters most is not how many airbags you have, but how you crash and what you crash into. Chassis design helps alot in cases like these.

That said, side impact airbags help quite a bit.

]]> By: BigFish http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115829 BigFish Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:13:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115829 Same to side impact bar, when small car door frame is weaker then the bar, then this bar will become "additional" bar to squeeze you! Same to side impact bar, when small car door frame is weaker then the bar, then this bar will become “additional” bar to squeeze you!

]]> By: kei9 http://paultan.org/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115824 kei9 Thu, 18 Oct 2007 00:07:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/10/18/airbags-can-cause-second-degree-burns/#comment-115824 Wow, they do indeed have side effects. Wow, they do indeed have side effects.

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