I think it is not good if you just copy and paste other peeps article without knowing whether the source is reliable or not. Reading and rational thinking cannot be separated.

it up to you whether to decide if it is true or not.

Cheers

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hehehe…this cracked me up.

well, based on the statement by the minister, i'm truly 'malu' to be categorized as a malay. i should've been born a spaniard/catalonian/andalusian. don't ask me why i wanna be a spaniard, maybe it's the "barca" factor

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Huh, huh …….you must be very emotional interference!

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November 4, 2007 @ 4:02 pm

DAN L said,
November 3, 2007 @ 10:32 pm

To address Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekir, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekir and
Hang Li Poh…. They were all related by the family name of “Hang”. Please visit
their graves in Malacca. Their graves are clear-cut Hindu. This was during the
“Great Malacca Empire” when Parameswara was supposed to have converted to Islam. Why are “Legendary Defenders of the States’ ” graves Hindu ?
They are not having the spiral headstones, or the Batu Acheh type headstones.

Instead, they are solid concrete blocks with traingular holes for incence and oil-lamp burning.
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The above are another piece of crap from Michael Chick: -

1. The Hang-s are all Chinese Muslim, why described them as Hindu.

2. “Solid concrete blocks”!!!! He, he, he, he, keh, keh, keh ………….

Log on below: -

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blconcrete.htm

Michael Chick is really Dr. Spin, he talk at his whim and fancy to suite his taste. Concrete invented by the British in 18 and 19 century. All these graves belong to Hang-s and Parameswara were dated back to Renaissance Period (15 and 16 century), where got concrete blocks? Got meh …… only moron people like DAN L believed this Dr. Spin blindly!

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so big fish or Dr bigbullshit …!
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whit just a small research u can tell all u thing o other r moron then …!
so what a different u whit a stupid gov policy coz u r the same type of moron who never understand n see in mirror of your own self …n history who bring u up , not a blood sucker or spoon feeding , sucker who like a pirate that u r.

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This party is increasingly ignorant of Malaysians, anyone who opposes them are dubbed people who doesn’t love the country. Who are they to represent our country? We civillians, malay, chinese, indians gave them the opportunity to serve us, I believe we must take it back.

How many embarassing stuffs would they want us to endure before we leave the country for good?

Angkasawan? Nation’s Pride? WTF….. Space Tourist called Astronaut. We’ll I did snorkeling as well, might as well call me Deep Sea Explorer.

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To address Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekir, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekir and
Hang Li Poh…. They were all related by the family name of “Hang”. Please visit
their graves in Malacca. Their graves are clear-cut Hindu. This was during the
“Great Malacca Empire” when Parameswara was supposed to have converted to Islam. Why are “Legendary Defenders of the States’ ” graves Hindu ?
They are not having the spiral headstones, or the Batu Acheh type headstones.

Instead, they are solid concrete blocks with traingular holes for incence and oil-lamp burning.
————-
The above are another piece of crap from Michael Chick: -

1. The Hang-s are all Chinese Muslim, why described them as Hindu.

2. “Solid concrete blocks”!!!! He, he, he, he, keh, keh, keh ………….

Log on below: -

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blconcrete.htm

Michael Chick is really Dr. Spin, he talk at his whim and fancy to suite his taste. Concrete invented by the British in 18 and 19 century. All these graves belong to Hang-s and Parameswara were dated back to Renaissance Period (15 and 16 century), where got concrete blocks? Got meh …… only moron people like DAN L believed this Dr. Spin blindly!

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Yes,agree with bigfish,..all started from Adam and Eve….all this racist crap should end
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If use DNA as a tool to prove the existence of race, it is none existence. Means Chinese, Siam, Indian, Malay, Dayak, Moro, Javanese, Japanese, Alisan, British, German, Spanish, Italian, Slav, Arab, Jews, etc are all scientifically non existence. It is merely social concept and perception of different group of people to differentiate each other.

Michael Chick just give Euro-centric view on social perspective about “race”. Not only science prove “race” non-existence, my friend who are very religious told me that the religious teaching just refer to Muslim and non-Muslim, and never refer to Malay or non Malay or Chinese vs “barbarian”. So scientifically and religiously, race is proven non-existence!

So Michael Chick is not Caucasian, gwai low or the like or any race as we can see in social context. He is just normal human being who are foolish enough to conduct equally “3 year con men extensive research”. Those who attempt to prove existence or non-existence of any race is racist or no better than Hitler who want to create Aryan race!

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Malaysian Archaeologists call the early settlers Proto Malay. And the
current settlers Deutero Malay. The scientific term is actually, Australo
Melanesian (African) and Austranesian (Chinese, or Mongoloid). This is a DNA
and bone structure classification. Even the term Negrito transalates from
Spanish to mean “mini Negro”.
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Dude, the above statement if any, likely written by historian, not scientist who are expert in DNA. The above statement is “scientifically inaccurate” as far as DNA is concern. Race or bangsa is just a social concept to a large extent influence or identified by language, culture, believe, way of living, etc.

DNA or Deoxyribonucleic acid on the other scientifically prove bangsa or race is “non-existence”. Log on below for DNA info: -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

DNA scientifically able to proof the relationship between father and son, etc or those from same family blood line but nor RACE, since they have similar DNA sequence.

So, don’t take what historian talk as all truth, there are lot of crap and bullshit as well.

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AP system is not for MALAYSIAN it is for SOME rich malay to be richer!

Paul, are you planning to Join DAP soon?

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AP is a system for making money to UMNO-Putras ONLY! Nothing else!

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Anyways this is the AP issue and not race issue… I think u should post it somewhere… If this AP is still in this country, the cronies will always be rich while the poors will still be the same… If u Kampung people can bangun, pls tengok menteri-menteri besar in UMNO, berapa mereka membantu mereka yang miskin? Can drive merc, bmw & sport car, live in bangalow… while the kampung folks still live at their old home… What they help is just a little percentage, if the money from AP is into the fundings of G in development then i will 100% support, but now is the AP earnings are into personal pocket… Cronies, u will be punish by God & Karma will hit u back! PM! Pls Wake up! Dont always ZZzzz… >.

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brought back memories of history class a few years back when i was still in my secondary school…

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Greetings. This is Michael Chick. Unlike others who hide behind “anonymous
synonyms” I came clear with my real name. The post which I put up was not a
figment of my imagination but the end result of 3 years extensive research.
As such, the facts presented are clear-cut, straightforward and unassuming.
Perhaps you would all like to chat with any anthropologist at UM before
sending-off any flaming sparks in my direction again. These Professors
should be as Malaysian as any of you.

The subject matter is fact-based. To Bayi, “Contesting Malayness” is available
at Kinokuniya at Takashimaya 4th floor, Orchard road. At a cost of S$32.
It is also available at National University of Singapore. Why ? Coz it’s their textbook. Let me repeat; “Contesting Malayness” is an NUS textbook, published by NUS Press, written by Professor Tony Milner.

To Achmad Sudarsono, calling the Malays a “race” is akin to calling the
Hokkiens or the Javanese a “race”.
Please do not confuse the term “orang” with “Bangsa”.
What do I mean ? The term orang is used by Malays to describe Orang Bugis,
Orang Acheh, Orang Laut, Orand India , Orang Melayu.
And here is where the confusion was . . . .
Orang Melayu merely refers to the residents of Kampung Melayu near Jambi, near Palembang . Please use Google Earth to find its exact location.

Unless you can say that all “Orang melayu” are descendants of that village,
you simply cannot be called orang Melayu. In fact the name “Malay” has been
traced to Lembah Bujang, where the Indian traders used to call the locals
“Malai” (in Tamil) to describe the locals. The locals were animistic pagans
at that time, and readily adopted Hindu practices and Indian customs. “Raja”
and “Sultan” are Indian titles. The adat bersanding with the pelamin are of
Indian origin. Even the “gifts-bearing” walk by the groom has its Indian
roots. Please attend an Indian Wedding before flaming me again. Or have a
chat with Prof Nik Hassan who is in charge of the Lembah Bujang
archaeological excavations.

Malaya, was therefore a derivitive from Himalaya . “Sejarah Melayu”
therefore was describing the Kampong Melayu origins. But here is where from
pages 1-3 tell you that Kampong Melayu are descendants of Iskandar
Zulkarnain (Alexander the Great) through the bloodline of a West Indian
Princess. This came from Sejarah Melayu. This book is cheap. You can buy it
at the University Malaya Bookstore for a mere RM35. It is published by MBRAS
(Malaysian Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society). Its patron member is Tun
Hanif (ex-IGP)

Please speak with Datuk Prof Zuraina Majid, who excavated “Perak Man”.
She will tell you that Perak Man is a descendant of the Australo-Melanesian
stock…. African.

National Museum of the Phillipines will verify that they came from Taiwan .
And National University of Indonesia will confirm that they came from the
Phillipines.

Nik Aziz (PAS leader from Kelantan) will tell you that his grandfather came
from Champa. To all Kelantanese, please explain the newly changed name of a
Kampong near Bachok (close to the Pengkalan Chepa airport) to “Kampung
Champa” to our friends here.

Please also visit Museum Negara to see the exhibits on the “Dong Song” brass
drums and Gua Cha in Kelantan near Gua Musang to see the Hoabinhian Caves .
Dong Song and Hoabinh are in Indochina . And therefore, the locals are
descendants from that region. The entire Northern States also have their
roots from the Pattani Kingdom ; which today we call Tahiland. In fact,
please visit the Kelantan WWII museum to see the article on how Perlis,
Kedah, Kelantan and Terengganu was part of Thailand from 1943-1945. Then
walk over to the Kelantan State Museum to see the exhibit on Gua Cha to read
their explainations of the Hoabinhian Cultures of Early Kelantan settlers.

Malaysian Archaeologists call the early settlers Proto Malay. And the
current settlers Deutero Malay. The scientific term is actually, Australo
Melanesian (African) and Austranesian (Chinese, or Mongoloid). This is a DNA
and bone structure classification. Even the term Negrito transalates from
Spanish to mean “mini Negro”.

I hope that I’ve made myself comprehensible enough. Feel free to ask any
further questions to help clear the air. The “Malays” are NOT a race. I’m so
sorry that you are only hearing this now. The rest of the Academic World has
known it for years.

By: HYPERLINK ” http://www.discover malaysia. biz/” \nMichael Chick on May
30th, 2007
At 2:44 am

To address Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekir, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekir and
Hang Li Poh…. They were all related by the family name of “Hang”. Please visit
their graves in Malacca. Their graves are clear-cut Hindu. This was during the
“Great Malacca Empire” when Parameswara was supposed to have converted to Islam. Why are “Legendary Defenders of the States’ ” graves Hindu ?
They are not having the spiral headstones, or the Batu Acheh type headstones.
Instead, they are solid concrete blocks with traingular holes for incence and oil-lamp burning.

Hang Tuah’s grave (Kampong Keling) is another “conspiracy” -.
Please read the inscriptions on the side, “… they found a large stone marking
a grave, and therefore it must be Hang Tuah..”.
This grave was merely designed to be a tourist destination.
Note that there are no names engraved anywhere.
Just a big non-descript stone marking that a human body lies underneath it.
Lastly, why is A muslim buried in Kampong Keling ? keling meaning Indian ?

The subsequent question is why is Hang Tuah removed from current
schoolhistory textbooks ?

One of two suggestions come to mind. He was pure fiction (please read
Hikayat Hang Tuah before flaming me again), or as the Bugis Museum Curator
in Johor will insist , that Hang Tuah was Chinese. So were the rest of his
“blood brothers”. They were all Chinese; and related to Hang Li Poh.

Let me pose a simple question to you, Why is it, that when you visit Malacca
to see the great historical Malaysian City/ State, you see the Portugese
“A-Famosa” gateway, or the Red Dutch buildings like Christchurch, or even
St. Paul’s Church on St. Paul’s Hill ? Where is the evidence of “The Great
Malaccan Empire”?

Let me help you with that answer. Published by Dewan Bahasa Dan Pustaka in a
publication called “Melayu Journal” in 2005. “…. we had to look for an
icon by which the Malays would be proud of..” Since Majapahit, Acheh, Lembah
Bujang (Langkasuka) were either Hindu, on Indonesian soil, or both, Malacca
was the only location left. The great Parameswara is, by the way buried on
Fort Canning Hill downtown Singapore , for those of you who want to visit
it. They call it the “Keramat” immediately behind the National Musuem of
Singapore.

Please enlighten me by showing me ONE single piece of evidence of “The Great
Malaccan Empire”. Even Dewan Bahasa couldn’t. Perhaps any one of you
could…… Evidence, and not mere gut-feeling please….

Also, please consult Prof Khoo Khay Khim before inflaming me again ;
Thank you

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Interestingly, the Champa deviant group moved back to present day Kelantan.
There are also traces of the Dong Song and HoaBinh migration from Vietnam
and Cambodia . To confuse the issue, there was also the Southern Thai
migration, from what we know as Pattani today. (see also “Early Kingdoms of
the Indonesian Archipelago and the Malay Peninsular”)

Of course, we also have the Minangkabau’ -s which come from the descendants
of Alexander the Great and a West Indian Princess. (Sejarah Melayu page 1-3)

So the million Dollar Question… Is there really a race called the
“Malays”? All anthropologists DO NOT SEEM TO THINK SO.

Neither do the “Malays” who live on the West Coast of Johor. They’d rather
be called Javanese. What about the west coast Kedah inhabitants who prefer
to be known as “Achenese”? Or the Ibans who simply want to be known as
IBANS. Try calling a Kelabit a “Malay” and see what response you get…
you’ll be so glad that their Head-Hunting days are over.

The definition of “Malay” is therefore simply a collection of people’s who
speak a similar type language. With what is meant by a similar type language
does not mean that the words are similar. Linguists call this the
“Lego-type” language, where words are added on to the root word to make
meaning and give tenses and such. Somehow, the Indonesians disagree with
this classification. They refuse to be called Malay…. Anyhow you may
define it. Watch “Malays in Africa “; a Museum Negara produced DVD. Also,
the “Champa Malays” by the same.

With this classification, they MUST also include the Phillipinos, the Papua
New Guineans, the Australian Aboroginies, as well as the Polynesian
Aboroginies. These are of the Australo Melanesians who migrated out of
Africa 60,000yrs ago.

Getting interesting? Read on…

“Malay” should also include the Taiwanese singer “Ah Mei” who is Alisan as
her tribe are the anscestors of the “Malays”. And finally, you will need to
define the Southern Chinese ( Funan Province ) as Malay also, since they are
from the same stock 6,000yrs ago.

Try calling the Bugis a “Malay”. Interestingly, the Bugis, who predominantly
live on Sulawesi are not even Indonesians. Neither do they fall into the
same group as the migrating Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago nor the
Australo Melanesian group from Africa .

Ready for this ?

The Bugis are the cross-breed between the Chinese and the Arabs. (FYI, a
runaway Ming Dynasty official whom Cheng Ho was sent to hunt down)
Interestingly, the Bugis were career Pirates in the Johor-Riau Island areas.
Now the nephew of Daeng Kemboja was appointed the First Sultan of Selangor.
That makes the entire Selangor Sultanate part Arab, part Chinese! Try
talking to the Bugis Museum curator near Kukup in Johor. Kukup is located
near the most south-western tip of Johor. (Due south of Pontian Kechil)

Let’s not even get into the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu,
and Hang Lekir, who shared the same family last name as the other super
famous “Hang” family member… Hang Li Poh. And who was she? The princess of
a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won’t
that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline “Baba” ? Since the older son
of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current
Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became
the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan? Is he the
descendant of Hang Li Poh?

Next question. If the Baba’s are part Malay, why have they been marginalized
by NOT BEING BUMIPUTERA? Which part of “Malay” are they not? Whatever the
answer, why then are the Portugese of Malacca BUMIPUTERA? Did they not come
100yrs AFTER the arrival of the first Baba’s? Parameswara founded Malacca in
1411. The Portugese came in 1511, and the Dutch in the 1600′s. Strangely,
the Baba’s ere in fact once classified a Bumiputera, but a decided that they
were strangely “declassified” in the 1960′s. WHY?

The Sultan of Kelantan had similar roots to the Pattani Kingdom making him
of Thai origin. And what is this “coffee table book” by the Sultan of Perlis
claiming to be the direct descendant of the prophet Muhammed? Somehow we see
Prof Khoo Khay Khim’s signature name on the book. I’ll pay good money to own
a copy of it myself. Anyone has a spare?

So, how many of you have met with orang Asli’s? the more northern you go,
the more African they look. Why are they called Negrito’s? It is a Spanish
word, from which directly transalates “mini Negros “. The more southern you
go, the more “Indonesian” they look. And the ones who live at Cameron
Highlands kinda look 50-50. You can see the Batek at Taman Negara, who
really look like Eddie Murphy to a certain degree. Or the Negritos who live
at the Thai border near Temenggor Lake (north Perak). The Mah Meri in Carrie
Island look almost like the Jakuns in Endau Rompin. Half African, half
Indonesian.

By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in
Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name
Langkasuka. Today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was
2,000yrs old. Pre-dating Borrobudor AND Angkor Watt. Who came about around
500-600yrs later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its
biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By
definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were
here 2,000yrs ago! Why are they marginalized?

So, in a nutshell, the “Malays” (anthropologists will disagree with this
“race” definition) are TRULY ASIA !!! (main continent and West Asia
included)

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