I live in the UK and the fact that Proton has finaly fixed the low-end torque problem of the Campro engine helped seal them a sale away from Renault.

Although not perfect, I feel that Proton has at last fixed enough of the issues of the GEN-2 and the car, (at least the Persona) is now properly ‘finished’ and I expect many years of good service from my new car without any major trouble.

This will be my first Proton after owning many other European/Asian makes of car, so it will be interesting to see how it performs.

VTEC is actualy superbike powertrain tech, no connections with F1 whatsoever.

IEM or BEM? what about others? facts, updated or not? doesn’t matter anyway. talking about ethics, manners and respecting others especially for an engineer? respecting others supposely for all, not just specially for an engineer, dude. u didn’t learn it in school? using ‘hahaha’ consider good enough on u. infact u don’t deserve it or being respected from others. because u might not an engineer yet already started insulting others with ‘ 3rd world minded’. so inmature, my goodness. ask urself why not others but u!

http://www.ukm.my/english/News/berita_enjin.html

“A total of two CNGDI engines have been assembled in September 2006 for further testing and installed in the car. As a result, two cars using the CNGDI engine prototypes have been successfully produced.”

By 2007 they already win gold medal in ITEX 2006 in Kuala Lumpur as well as gold medal and special award for new invention technology in Eureka 2006 in Brussels. As for the CNGDI engine itself, it has won gold medal in ITEX 2007 in Kuala Lumpur.

Even UKM student + lecturer can finish a Direct injection car by less then a year and win so many awards. But why a simple technology like VIM need take more then 2 years to implement? Funny izzit? With such a large investment by Proton i dont think they should be worse then the UKM people right? Just think about it…

is there any problem my facts is from web pages even its from relevant web pages…lousy fact from a government pages huh…very good fact from…if those is not enough fact for you…try read some info at BEM & IEM pages…plus journal at any web page about future trend in engineering profession…that one also will be consider lousy fact huh…engineer or no engineer am i, but u as an engineer should learn how to respect other people opinion on this great blog and if u dont agree with others opinion dont start your comment on others with “hahaha”. learn some ethics and manners even you r so good in wutever u r doing …may b i am no engineer yet but i think i have enough knowledge and experience to give some opinion on this topic…peace

hahaha, yes indeed i m laughing. i m just mentioning they r some only. hmm…u mentioned shortage of engineers, so shouldn’t be no work for them as engineer. how can u said that nobody want them, meaning all fresh graduate can’t get jobs because mostly they don’t hv practicals. something not right.?? where do u learn that engineering must hv to touch lubricant oils? i see ur information was from webpage. no wonder ur replied was so ignorant. ur fact is lousy. hmm……engineering and transportation is part of my bread and butter, previously was in automotives and manufacturing, i also wanted to know where to get clean engineering jobs. care to let me know? by the way, r u an engineer? hahaha, i m laughing at u indeed. don’t worry, u r no better than 3rd world, because u and me r in malaysia. hahahaha.

Yes engine DIMENSIONS are measured in mm but whats the units for air intake flows, valve lift time, torque, exhaust temperature, air to fuel ratio to name a few???well be seeing more than just the letter M in mm…

hmmm in how many of your friend dont get engineering job 10, 100. is it because of no work for them as engineer or no body want them because they only good on their paper but practically they r zero…dont even want to touch any lubricant oil…only want to work at office and ask high starting salary…i talking about fact…and u should research first b4 u talking about only what u saw & heard…go to human resource ministry web page…and learn about how many engineer shortage and future demand towards engineer profession at malaysia then if u still wanna laugh at me i can accept it. at this particular time i am laughing at your statement…so 3rd world class minded

As for automotive engineers, i know alot of so called automotive graduates are good only on paper and doesnt know even a simple function of the engine like how does the engine starter functions. in automotive you need passionate people to get the best results.

So to all fellow paultan readers, i can assure you, automotive R&D is not as simple as you think it is.

By the way, i dont work for proton, and has never worked there before. But i know what they have gone through in developing cars and engines…

hahaha, shortage of automotive engineers in malaysia? hahahahaha, some of my friends studied it and can’t get job overhere, have no choice but to change the profession to do sales. some hv to work in overseas too. i guess there employed wrong professionals. don’t believe? go and check out. hahaha.

its funny how some malaysians mindset is always negative in everything that come out from their own yard even if it is a good one..its like its permanently programmed in their brain..if you have an engineering background maybe you’ll know how difficult a particular technology can be realised on our own.its not as simple as copy and paste in your Paint..

–hahaha, might be negative mindset. but then is not really permanently programmed dude.. look at the outside world and the advancement of nowadays technologies. moreover human improvement and move forward very fast. if we can’t catch up, consider left out. don’t u agreed? for examples, last two years we buy vcd, then dvd 5, dvd 9 and later dvd with divX. i hope proton better speed things up for production in order not to be much far behind. hahaha.

Transformer..i disagree with u saying ” Car are just MERELY a product of mechanical + electronic”…if theres a rumbling sound in our car’s hood..is it possible for us to pinpoint exactly where the root cause is at?its a COMPLEX product of mechanical + electronics to be exact…and its not as simple as we think it is..

Don’t kid me its “that” complex!
Engine making its still meassured in mm and not even micron or nano!

How complex will a Campro be if compare with an old GA16DE(>10years in Sentra) ?

Todate it takes 1.5years to Develope till Launch NEW CAR!!

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD!

Fair enough, if you think my comments are sarcastic, so be it. But read carefully, there is the difference between a critique and a blind bash. Please dont be like some of the Proton supporters here, which views every negative comment as a bash.

I’m merely stating the fact that in this day and age, if you progress too slowly, you are going to get smootherd, especially if Proton wants to have an inkling of hope to make it out in the big world when the barriers are lifted.

Companies buy technology from each other all the time. No need to reinvent the wheel. If you are big like Toyota with its almost unlimited R&D budget, fair enough, go ahead and try to reinvent the wheel, but what matters in a small manufacturer is to get products out quick, get a foothold. Perhaps Proton thinks they are big in Malaysia and need to do things differently, but in the global scale, they are just babies. They DO NOT have the economies of scare to warrant time and finances lost on R&D.

Those that said the E01 is expensive, how do you know? Its not even a production spec engine. Once the engine goes into volumm production, the cost per unit goes down. The E01 would have cost Petronas millions to develop, of course if you only made 5 units the cost will be high.

Besides, the E01 is quite far from being an F1 engine (lol to those that think so)…its just an engineering study based on technology learnt from F1. If you look at what it is, its not much different than that of a Honda VTEC (which incidentally, is also “based” on F1 technology)….. “F1″ is just marketing speak for the gullible. Plenty of things on our current cars are based on Motorsports grounds (F1 or not). Traction control, Stability control, ABS, AWD, fuel injection, turbocharging (first used on aircraft engines)…

I suspect the lowend torque hole with the Campro is due to it being an “unfinished” product. CPS and VIM is supposed to boost up the lower powerband. However, that not being ready and Proton needed an engine, the Campro was probably rushed into production status.

Of course Proton could re-tune the ignition and change the cams for low rpm performance, but that would sacrifice your peak hp. Knowing how most buyers perceive power output, it must be seen as a negative by proton marketing. Fact it, they could have fixed the torque hole, and increase drivability and fuel economy but chose not to.

Neither me comment on your English nor saying that what I mentioned is related to the topic. What I highlighted was I disagreed with your general statement that Prootn make their own engine will make their car more affordable to buyers.

Do you think the local engine with old tech and don’t reach economy of scale will reduce the overall cost of the car? Do your math and economic reasoning again! How about the “extra” maintenance and fuel?
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MisterBenjo
I know exactly what you said, the only thing I want to highlighted was to debunk neoracing 87 statement about local engine to make the car more affordable to buyers!

Obviously you have nothing else to argue on but the errors of my english which i believe is a hundred times much more complete than yours. Because let me tell you, from my observation yours isn’t anywhere near perfect either, In fact its far from even acceptable.

So i suggest you drop the ad hominem, grow up and accept the fact that you throw around blind accusations without understanding the context of an issue. because honestly, you’re making a damn big fool of yourself, please… stop embarrassing me with your childish sense of what an argument is, it only brings shame to what others see of your mentality by making irrelevant fallacies.

the world would do better with smarter people, unlike yourself
last comment on this issue, so no point to retaliate even if you cry about it. sorry my blind friend, go get a diploma on critical reasoning, because you are in desperate need for it.

2st dik how old are you?
i got question for u,
the vw beetle 1969 rear wheel centre hub lock nut, to unscrew it, is it to turn it clock wise or anti clock wise,?
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Aiyo, I as uncle also can’t answer.