Youngman going to take 1,500 unit to test the market response, can’t wait to hear the outcome. Nice to have news about how many 3S (sales, service & spare parts) outlets of Youngmang or a reporter forget to ask that question during the interview..

Here some interesting sales and production statistics of China automobile industry as of June 2006.. latest report required subscription (username and password)… it need hacking (using Oracle database..).

There is too many of data for me to digest …maybe someone in this forum can shield light where does 30,000.00 proton cars fit in..

http://www1.autoinfo.gov.cn/en/Sample/index.htm

Car sales by Brand (as of June 2006)
http://www1.autoinfo.gov.cn/en/Sample/html/ppcx.htm

http://www.malaysia-today.net/nuc2006/letter.php?itemid=583

Point taken. But if, like you say, Proton is going to ‘play it’s Islamic card’, then I have only one word to describe it : suicidal! Even fanatics are discerning when buying things, especially big ticket items.
I believe that Proton can bring costs down further, especially for the Saga, and sell them in India. The jigs and dies and a host of other equipments would have been written off so cost of production would be less. Moreover, the Indian market has ‘endured’ the Morris Oxford for decades. Anything more modern than that stands a fighting chance to survive.

Remember this http://paultan.org/archives/2007/03/07/proton-and-lotus-engineering-develop-proton-gen2-eve-hybrid-concept/

+ ZAP

In emerging markets (or any market for that matter), a new player will either have to be very cheap or very good (usually not both). Proton has neighter which makes for a tough fight. Proton doesn’t have the economies of scale to make cheap cars, and lack the technology knowhow and “brand snob” to make “good” ones.

Proton has been trying to play the cheap and affordable (japanese technology) card at established markets like UK, aping the market models once played by the Japanese and the Koreans that followed. What with now loosing the “japanese technology card”, it has even less to play with. Sure the GTI was popular, because it was technically Japanese, cheap and has a nice niche that was once the Golf GTi’s play field. But what does Proton really have to offer that others can’t? The point is, what is Proton’s competitive advantage. I can’t really see any if you ask me.

Perhaps the Persona has buoyed Proton’s ego, but it might end up as a short term victory.

The indian Market isn’t a void. Other more established manufacturers will have a even bigger selection of cheap models to flood the indian market.

I have doubts about Proton and the indian Market. More likely, as we have already seen, Proton may yet again play the Islamic card for markets in Pakistan, Iran and the like. That is probably where its going to get the better market share….which unfortunately is probably its only “competitive advantage”.

Akan dilancarkan insyaallah pada hari jumaat 11 Januari 08. Comfortable, Affortable, Practical and Simply Design.Length 4257, width 1680, High 1502. High dan width kurang dari Myvi skit je….Saiz Luggage compartment 413Ltr. Full tank 40lts.Engine redesigned Campro IAFM, maksudnya ada sistem tambahan iaitu Intake Air Fuel Module.
Ada 6 colour. 2 solid color iaitu putih dan merah. 5 colour metallic iaitu, Genetic Silver, Mountain Blue, Zircon Green, Tranquility Black, Grey. Ada 3 Variant model, N-Line ni lowest spec, Base-Line and Medium Line. N-Line cuma manual saja dan ada satu color solid white je.Base-Line dan medium-line ada manual n auto.N-Line 175/70 Rim13 dan center cap, Base line 185/60 rim14 full cover dan Medium Rim14 alloy. Saiz 2.6 kali besar dari Viva dan 83% dari Myvi.Maximun power 70/6000 94bhp, Max torque 120/4000. Fuel save giler…. 0.11 sen per km atau 100km 5.5sen per km utk manual dan 6.0sen utk auto per 100km. 3 years or 150km Factory Waranty yang mana datang dulu… Tengoklah dan lihatlah akan perkembangan proton kini…….. ok le… panjang2 nanti u all penat nak membaca lak kan. Saya khabou ini utk tujuan kita smua fikirkanlah, proton sudah berubah, maka inilah hasilnya.Percayalah….tiada niat yang tak baik. Kiranya anda nak keta lain yang sama segment dgn BLM fikirkanlah model ini. . Jika kawan2 ingin maklumat lanjut, khabou le ye….

N-Line – Manual Saja. Color Solid White only
Bumper depan belakang, Side Mirror Black and meter panel color Hitam. Rim 13 cuma pakai center cap.Tak ada reverse sensor, tak ada airbag, tak pre tensior, speaker 2 dibelakang.Harga Tentative price RM33,+++

Base-Line, sama seperti N-Line cuma tambahan ada manual dan auto. ada 3 color metallic. Bumber depan belakang, side mirror body color. 4 speaker depan belakang. Meter warna crom. Rim14 dgn full cover. Tentative price RM34K – RM37K.

M-Line sama seperti Base Line ada manual n auto, 4 warna, 3 metallic, 1 warna solid white,ada alloy rim size 14.Single airbag, ada pre tensioner seatbelt, vanity mirror, elec door mirror, door handle body color, garnish warna hitam. Tentative price RM37K – RM39K.

Logo Proton atau emblem skrg sudah berubah dari segi warna.Tiada lagi warna orange pd kepala harimau. Sudah ditukar kepada warna crom.

Gambar interior sy minta maaf tak boleh pamir. Sy tak blh menjangkau jauh dari penerangan yg boleh sy jelaskan.Harap ini dapat membantu kawan2 yang ingin mengetahuinya. Qualiti, sy boleh kata, klu yang kata persona dh improved quality, blm ini lebih lagi. Thks.

Faced with these prices, what would you buy? Not the Proton, I am sure.
So how does Proton compete in overseas markets where it does not have the government to support it?
Of course VW bargained hard. The only thing they want and the only thing that Proton has that has value is the new manufacturing plant. Apart from that: nothing
Why would they not ask for control: the various people in control of Proton over the last 20 years have obviously not been successful, so why would VW agree to let the same people continue to run the company into the ground (with VW money to play with)?
Let’s face reality. Until we are honest about the situation, we can never expect to make the right decisions for the future.

I am not as pessimistic as you onthe future of Proton. Although there will be no foreign partner now, I’m quite sure that if there is a suitable one, Proton and the govt would agree. We do not know how the negotiation went, but I’m quite sure VW asked for too much. I would, if I know that I’m negotiating from a position of strength.
In the case of the Indian market, with growing affluence and increase in population, India’s economy may outstrip even the US in 50 years’ time. So there’s a vast opportunity out there. Besides quality, marketing and product suitability is of prime importance. Many good brands such as Simca, Borgward and even Rover went down because of poor marketing. They were good cars but customers could not appreciate it. On the other hand models like the latest incarnation of the Fiat500 has captured the imagination of car buyers and is expected to rescue the Fiat brand from disaster, because of slick marketing. So don’t write off Proton just yet.

then overlay the images until both (blm 14inch and savvy 14 inch rim) (as wheel size as a constant factor)
then perfectly overlay the simmilarly sized both car wheels,then discover that other differences would be the difference of it, interm size wheelbase ,and so on

not the most brilliant method lah, people who are good at this can try,

Among Proton’s lineup, savvy and BLM probably has the best chance to sell in India…small compacts sell well there, we can see from the Suzuki success. Indian middle-class who buy mid-size sedans are very sophisticated…they know the good stuff and will buy Toyota and Honda only (Proton will be unable to con anyone there). For grass root consumers, problem is Indian carmakers are actually much better than Malaysians, Tata and Mittal are already capable of producing US$2k cars. For Proton, even US$10k cars also cannot achieve without govt subsidies. In India, Suzuki Swift is Rs4.4 lakh to Rs5.6 lakh (RM40k to RM50k)…our Suzuki Swift is RM70k to RM80k. So Proton, to enter India, will likely to do the usual thing…ask for a lot of $$ frm govt again.

Well, Proton is very desparate now…the management has performance KPI to meet and they are failing big time. Very obvious that Proton is just throwing all the shits onto wall and which one sticks. China strategy, please, the Chinese are perhaps the best in the world, better than anyone of us here. Now India strategy, please again, our Samy V can prove million times that they are really really “good”.

Total passenger cars in operation on Malaysian roads = 7,045,466 units
Total units of everything on our roads – cars, tractors, motorcycles = 16,032,719 units

This is as of March 2007.

“milo tin” – I mean unsafe car!
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enough on that area already.. i think you already exhausted that topic in other threads.

4G63T , i think there’s not that doubtfull.
to be mention.. my indian friend said (i dont know true or not)…
With RM50, you can support a family of 5 in India.

Key = Labour cost sooooo cheap.
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This is rumour monger to deceive fellow bloggers. With RM 50 can support 5 K. Then I want to migrate to India since my income is more than RM 1K and I can affort 72 virgin girls as my brides at 1 go?

Big Fish:

What do you mean really by “milo tin”? It is a fact that the material that is used these days for body panels are lighter, but they are definitely stronger.
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“milo tin” – I mean unsafe car!

I think a lot of investor are not keen on the G move on too protecting the car manufacturer, coz also delay the open market to longer period…

Hope Proton will bang his head on the wall this time…

Anywayz i think the only way proton to sell a car less then RM20k is to built in China or India which have less cost… Beside’s that people are aware of fuel price raising a lot nowadays and people are changing to more economical way.. What i really hope is really a turbo diesel engine, which is also cheaper and cleaner to run now…

Good luck proton… whatever u do today will affect the day tomorrow…