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	<title>Comments on: Honda Civic Type-R Track Experience</title>
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		<title>By: topgunthang</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-138015</link>
		<dc:creator>topgunthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the buyers who will chose to buy the Golf gti are not the same type of buyers who will choose the type r. 

those buying the gti&#039;s are compromisers. those buying the type r are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the buyers who will chose to buy the Golf gti are not the same type of buyers who will choose the type r. </p>
<p>those buying the gti&#8217;s are compromisers. those buying the type r are not.</p>
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		<title>By: maibatsu_thunder</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-133329</link>
		<dc:creator>maibatsu_thunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How well does this car stack up to a VW Golf GTi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How well does this car stack up to a VW Golf GTi?</p>
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		<title>By: mrm</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-132595</link>
		<dc:creator>mrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Malaysia the Civic Type R FD2 is priced the same as the Golf GTI RM200k (not much change you get anyway from 200k, in fact the Golf price exclude insurance)

anyhow, remember that we are the only country (using RHD) outside Japan to get a Type R FD2 officially with 3 year manufacturer warranty for a high performance saloon. UK have to import this unofficially and selling at GBP22,995 (higher than the GTI price at around GBP18k (after dealer discount)). GBP23k equivalent about RM156k already. The RM43k is probably made up of our exorbitant import duties etc.

But still, there you have it, so so privilege of Malaysia to get this car officially. Imagine a 3 year warranty on high performance weekend track car. You don&#039;t get this from your grey importer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Malaysia the Civic Type R FD2 is priced the same as the Golf GTI RM200k (not much change you get anyway from 200k, in fact the Golf price exclude insurance)</p>
<p>anyhow, remember that we are the only country (using RHD) outside Japan to get a Type R FD2 officially with 3 year manufacturer warranty for a high performance saloon. UK have to import this unofficially and selling at GBP22,995 (higher than the GTI price at around GBP18k (after dealer discount)). GBP23k equivalent about RM156k already. The RM43k is probably made up of our exorbitant import duties etc.</p>
<p>But still, there you have it, so so privilege of Malaysia to get this car officially. Imagine a 3 year warranty on high performance weekend track car. You don&#8217;t get this from your grey importer.</p>
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		<title>By: keyboard.rosak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-131398</link>
		<dc:creator>keyboard.rosak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like i said in my prev comment, the CTR stock suspension setting is not for road driving, but Best Motoring already provide the setting for road condition. They tested it on the touge track. The setting is in Hot Version VTEC Club Vol 5

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jamsbong said,

December 1, 2007 @ 8:16 am

Have you guys seen the review on Best motoring of the Type-R? The suspension is bloody stiff! I bet it is as stiff as the covette. This means it is simply undrivable on the road. 
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this CTR is already RM200k, and a lot of people saying its too much, if u install active suspension, how many more would complain about the price?

The UK CTR (FN chassis) is not on the same performance level as the JDM CTR (FD2 chassis), if u prefer that CTR, its only for the look</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like i said in my prev comment, the CTR stock suspension setting is not for road driving, but Best Motoring already provide the setting for road condition. They tested it on the touge track. The setting is in Hot Version VTEC Club Vol 5</p>
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jamsbong said,</p>
<p>December 1, 2007 @ 8:16 am</p>
<p>Have you guys seen the review on Best motoring of the Type-R? The suspension is bloody stiff! I bet it is as stiff as the covette. This means it is simply undrivable on the road.<br />
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<p>this CTR is already RM200k, and a lot of people saying its too much, if u install active suspension, how many more would complain about the price?</p>
<p>The UK CTR (FN chassis) is not on the same performance level as the JDM CTR (FD2 chassis), if u prefer that CTR, its only for the look</p>
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		<title>By: jamsbong</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-131207</link>
		<dc:creator>jamsbong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you guys seen the review on Best motoring of the Type-R? The suspension is bloody stiff! I bet it is as stiff as the covette. This means it is simply undrivable on the road. 

I wonder why don&#039;t Honda uses something like active damping system? Porsche, Audi, BMW all have such suspension, I know they are expensive. However, even Ford Mondeo will have such suspension in the near future.

The Type-R is meant to be something special. I would think fans will be happy to pay some extras for an optional active suspension. Anyway, I&#039;ll spend my money on a WRX and mod the car for extra grunt and tweak the suspension to corner better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you guys seen the review on Best motoring of the Type-R? The suspension is bloody stiff! I bet it is as stiff as the covette. This means it is simply undrivable on the road. </p>
<p>I wonder why don&#8217;t Honda uses something like active damping system? Porsche, Audi, BMW all have such suspension, I know they are expensive. However, even Ford Mondeo will have such suspension in the near future.</p>
<p>The Type-R is meant to be something special. I would think fans will be happy to pay some extras for an optional active suspension. Anyway, I&#8217;ll spend my money on a WRX and mod the car for extra grunt and tweak the suspension to corner better.</p>
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		<title>By: JULIANLEE2</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130734</link>
		<dc:creator>JULIANLEE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they should do a test between this, gti(r32 if gti not fast enuf),cooper s, 130i</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they should do a test between this, gti(r32 if gti not fast enuf),cooper s, 130i</p>
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		<title>By: v0ices</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130335</link>
		<dc:creator>v0ices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>droll,

Actually... the RE070 is already OE on the Subaru Impreza WRX STi.
It wasn&#039;t specially made for the Civic Type-R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>droll,</p>
<p>Actually&#8230; the RE070 is already OE on the Subaru Impreza WRX STi.<br />
It wasn&#8217;t specially made for the Civic Type-R</p>
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		<title>By: droll</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130328</link>
		<dc:creator>droll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but it all depends on what you want at the end of day. and no way does a 325 best this car. 0-100 in 6.5 for the type-r. 325??? dream on. it&#039;ll eat the Type-R&#039;s smoke. and handling?? u&#039;re kidding. the 325 has better handling?!?!?! the Type-R is like riding on 4 titanium rods! the springs &quot;don&#039;t&quot; exist! have u seen its body roll vs the 325? i&#039;ll admit though that the type-r isn&#039;t a comfortable car to live with everyday nor is it as practical as something like the GTi. in fact, the GTi has better creature comfort equipment for rm200k. the type-r would be spartan in comparison.

one question that most purchasers probably haven&#039;t thought of yet is - 2 years from now, how much will it cost to replace all 4 of the potenzas, or even the 4pot Brembo pads? :) i suspect they might either put in cheaper alternatives or start putting the car out for sale. remember, the RE070 is SPECIALLY manufactured for this CAR and this CAR only! and you wouldn&#039;t want to compromise its finely tuned performance by putting in cheaper brake pads or crappier tyres.

the type-r is in a league of its own and you can&#039;t compare it on price alone. it is a fantastic machine. incredible. pity the &quot;ah beng&quot; reputation is associated with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but it all depends on what you want at the end of day. and no way does a 325 best this car. 0-100 in 6.5 for the type-r. 325??? dream on. it&#8217;ll eat the Type-R&#8217;s smoke. and handling?? u&#8217;re kidding. the 325 has better handling?!?!?! the Type-R is like riding on 4 titanium rods! the springs &#8220;don&#8217;t&#8221; exist! have u seen its body roll vs the 325? i&#8217;ll admit though that the type-r isn&#8217;t a comfortable car to live with everyday nor is it as practical as something like the GTi. in fact, the GTi has better creature comfort equipment for rm200k. the type-r would be spartan in comparison.</p>
<p>one question that most purchasers probably haven&#8217;t thought of yet is &#8211; 2 years from now, how much will it cost to replace all 4 of the potenzas, or even the 4pot Brembo pads? <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i suspect they might either put in cheaper alternatives or start putting the car out for sale. remember, the RE070 is SPECIALLY manufactured for this CAR and this CAR only! and you wouldn&#8217;t want to compromise its finely tuned performance by putting in cheaper brake pads or crappier tyres.</p>
<p>the type-r is in a league of its own and you can&#8217;t compare it on price alone. it is a fantastic machine. incredible. pity the &#8220;ah beng&#8221; reputation is associated with it.</p>
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		<title>By: mitlanevo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130288</link>
		<dc:creator>mitlanevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>overall this is a great car......

btw, when will we get the Civic 3-dr Type-R???

if really want to buy, can i get it from Singapore or Thailand??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overall this is a great car&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>btw, when will we get the Civic 3-dr Type-R???</p>
<p>if really want to buy, can i get it from Singapore or Thailand??</p>
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		<title>By: transformer</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130277</link>
		<dc:creator>transformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White looks absolutely gorgeous!!!</description>
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		<title>By: KL-ATR</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130256</link>
		<dc:creator>KL-ATR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the older model 2.0 Scooby is cheaper and produces more horses. Doesn&#039;t look as good but bang for buck, I&#039;ll put my money on the Scooby. And the turbo starts kicking a storm by 3k rpm. By the time the type-r starts cooking, it&#039;s shifting on the Scooby. I&#039;ll pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the older model 2.0 Scooby is cheaper and produces more horses. Doesn&#8217;t look as good but bang for buck, I&#8217;ll put my money on the Scooby. And the turbo starts kicking a storm by 3k rpm. By the time the type-r starts cooking, it&#8217;s shifting on the Scooby. I&#8217;ll pass.</p>
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		<title>By: K.A.R.R</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130251</link>
		<dc:creator>K.A.R.R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wish they could bring in type-rr by mugen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wish they could bring in type-rr by mugen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheDuck</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130239</link>
		<dc:creator>TheDuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. it&#039;s time to convert my current Civic1.8 into a Type-R. 

How much does the bodykit cost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. it&#8217;s time to convert my current Civic1.8 into a Type-R. </p>
<p>How much does the bodykit cost?</p>
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		<title>By: rosdi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130237</link>
		<dc:creator>rosdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would choose Golf GTI anytime over this car. DSG is simply awesome.

Performance wise is probably neck to neck, but I believe Golf GTI is more practical as daily ride, the interior quality is superior as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would choose Golf GTI anytime over this car. DSG is simply awesome.</p>
<p>Performance wise is probably neck to neck, but I believe Golf GTI is more practical as daily ride, the interior quality is superior as well.</p>
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		<title>By: xavier_lert</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130236</link>
		<dc:creator>xavier_lert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need those bumper......!!!!!............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need those bumper&#8230;&#8230;!!!!!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: abtm</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130235</link>
		<dc:creator>abtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this or golf GTi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this or golf GTi</p>
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		<title>By: arcana</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130233</link>
		<dc:creator>arcana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this car is for the hardcore Type R fans who can afford to own anyway.
no comparison between performance vehicles like evo or scooby.....it just depends what a buyer likes wants.......turbo or N/A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this car is for the hardcore Type R fans who can afford to own anyway.<br />
no comparison between performance vehicles like evo or scooby&#8230;..it just depends what a buyer likes wants&#8230;&#8230;.turbo or N/A.</p>
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		<title>By: JULIANLEE2</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130226</link>
		<dc:creator>JULIANLEE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great car</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great car</p>
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		<title>By: mrm</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130223</link>
		<dc:creator>mrm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree to BuLaiEn and Superman...

It does not warrant comparison with BMW &amp; others etc etc.... this CTR is Honda&#039;s road version of its Civic race car that won the MME race... for all the race technology crammed into the car... it is value-for-money... it is like what Porsche have done to its 911... produce a car for the track and road eg the 911 GT3.

On another note, one European reviewer have mentioned unofficial 0-60mph time for the JDM CTR is around sub 6.0 sec. That&#039;s fast for an FWD car. 

but if one wants prestige, comfort.... go buy something else.... full stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree to BuLaiEn and Superman&#8230;</p>
<p>It does not warrant comparison with BMW &amp; others etc etc&#8230;. this CTR is Honda&#8217;s road version of its Civic race car that won the MME race&#8230; for all the race technology crammed into the car&#8230; it is value-for-money&#8230; it is like what Porsche have done to its 911&#8230; produce a car for the track and road eg the 911 GT3.</p>
<p>On another note, one European reviewer have mentioned unofficial 0-60mph time for the JDM CTR is around sub 6.0 sec. That&#8217;s fast for an FWD car. </p>
<p>but if one wants prestige, comfort&#8230;. go buy something else&#8230;. full stop.</p>
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		<title>By: superman</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130220</link>
		<dc:creator>superman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon Teoh said

&quot;Whatever the case may be, I never got to touch it. It didnâ€™t help that there was a rather twitchy instructor sitting on my left as well.&quot;
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Word has it the instructors in the Type R were the same guys who raced the Civic Type R in the MME 12 hrs, finishing 1st &amp; 2nd in Class A.  

Maybe he had a valid reason for being &quot;twitchy&quot;.... 

As for the CT-R itself, I too have driven it  on the road,and againts a Golf GTi or a ITR DC-5 , the Civic is hard. On your bum, on your head, on your senses. 

Driven hard the CTR FD2 is fine, superb even, the chassis, LSD, engine working hard to help u push the performance envelope but once in &quot;cruising &quot; mode, it&#039;s just too uncomfortable. Too HARD CORE. A track car and a Sunday Drive weapon , not a daily drive.

The ITR had a more compliant ride, an adjustable chassis too. The Golf, does it all.  

But I&#039;m sure the CT-R would sell. It&#039;s a Type R after all, imported &amp; sold through official channels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon Teoh said</p>
<p>&#8220;Whatever the case may be, I never got to touch it. It didnâ€™t help that there was a rather twitchy instructor sitting on my left as well.&#8221;<br />
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Word has it the instructors in the Type R were the same guys who raced the Civic Type R in the MME 12 hrs, finishing 1st &amp; 2nd in Class A.  </p>
<p>Maybe he had a valid reason for being &#8220;twitchy&#8221;&#8230;. </p>
<p>As for the CT-R itself, I too have driven it  on the road,and againts a Golf GTi or a ITR DC-5 , the Civic is hard. On your bum, on your head, on your senses. </p>
<p>Driven hard the CTR FD2 is fine, superb even, the chassis, LSD, engine working hard to help u push the performance envelope but once in &#8220;cruising &#8221; mode, it&#8217;s just too uncomfortable. Too HARD CORE. A track car and a Sunday Drive weapon , not a daily drive.</p>
<p>The ITR had a more compliant ride, an adjustable chassis too. The Golf, does it all.  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure the CT-R would sell. It&#8217;s a Type R after all, imported &amp; sold through official channels.</p>
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		<title>By: BuLaiEn</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130211</link>
		<dc:creator>BuLaiEn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i doubt a BMW of any sorts, maybe apart from those coming from the M divison, could hold a stick to the CTR when it comes to the twisty stuffs.
the CTR has a LSD, has a suspension tuned in nurburgring, has a lightened body, a highly tuned engine which puts out 111hp per liter.
the average bmw has an auto and a bodykit at best.
after all, none of the BMWs sold here comes with the option of having a manual, which is the first and foremost requirement for being a flingable car around the bends.

furthermore the CTR has its reputation, its loyal folowings, it&#039;s a cult car for god sake, so i don&#039;t think a bread and butter BMW 345 is even on the same league in terms of breed and pedigree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i doubt a BMW of any sorts, maybe apart from those coming from the M divison, could hold a stick to the CTR when it comes to the twisty stuffs.<br />
the CTR has a LSD, has a suspension tuned in nurburgring, has a lightened body, a highly tuned engine which puts out 111hp per liter.<br />
the average bmw has an auto and a bodykit at best.<br />
after all, none of the BMWs sold here comes with the option of having a manual, which is the first and foremost requirement for being a flingable car around the bends.</p>
<p>furthermore the CTR has its reputation, its loyal folowings, it&#8217;s a cult car for god sake, so i don&#8217;t think a bread and butter BMW 345 is even on the same league in terms of breed and pedigree.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleFire85</title>
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		<dc:creator>LittleFire85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The type-r parts are also expensive, if i not mistaken even the DC5 half-cuts are more then RM20k. So if for fame, handling and performance the BMW is quite evenly can win over the Civic Type-r a bit coz it is RWD. If can get a manual BMW should be great..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The type-r parts are also expensive, if i not mistaken even the DC5 half-cuts are more then RM20k. So if for fame, handling and performance the BMW is quite evenly can win over the Civic Type-r a bit coz it is RWD. If can get a manual BMW should be great..</p>
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		<title>By: Hikaru</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130196</link>
		<dc:creator>Hikaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Longjaafar. a 2nd BM can put this CTR to rest. What&#039;s more, wait for a few more years and get a 2nd e46 M3. 

Only draw back with this is the BM are really expensive to repair. The new CTR? It&#039;s new. 

Then again even the european counterparts rate this car very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Longjaafar. a 2nd BM can put this CTR to rest. What&#8217;s more, wait for a few more years and get a 2nd e46 M3. </p>
<p>Only draw back with this is the BM are really expensive to repair. The new CTR? It&#8217;s new. </p>
<p>Then again even the european counterparts rate this car very well.</p>
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		<title>By: AzaniLaiho</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130195</link>
		<dc:creator>AzaniLaiho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course E46 325i has more torques due to extra .5 litre engine... and what is the point to compare the weight differ from DC5 as long as the CTR clocked faster timing than DC5 at most of track has been tested...BTW DC5 wheelbase = 101.2 and FD2 = 106.3+2 doors extra compare to DC5... what a stupid point...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course E46 325i has more torques due to extra .5 litre engine&#8230; and what is the point to compare the weight differ from DC5 as long as the CTR clocked faster timing than DC5 at most of track has been tested&#8230;BTW DC5 wheelbase = 101.2 and FD2 = 106.3+2 doors extra compare to DC5&#8230; what a stupid point&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: longjaafar</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130187</link>
		<dc:creator>longjaafar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>215nm at above 5000rpm is nothing to shout about. For that kind of money, one could get a very good facelifted E46 325i which has 247 nm at a much lower rpm. In the handling department, I&#039;m sure the BM can match the type R anytime.
But it will no doubt sell, because of it&#039;s uniqueness and charisma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>215nm at above 5000rpm is nothing to shout about. For that kind of money, one could get a very good facelifted E46 325i which has 247 nm at a much lower rpm. In the handling department, I&#8217;m sure the BM can match the type R anytime.<br />
But it will no doubt sell, because of it&#8217;s uniqueness and charisma.</p>
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		<title>By: raybrig85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130185</link>
		<dc:creator>raybrig85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this might be the fastest civic type r...it easily smoke the euro civic type r...btw...4 me...i still prefer the euro civic type r rather than dis...bcoz euro civic type r gt wut dis one doesnt hv...the charming look...dis one looks boring oredi...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this might be the fastest civic type r&#8230;it easily smoke the euro civic type r&#8230;btw&#8230;4 me&#8230;i still prefer the euro civic type r rather than dis&#8230;bcoz euro civic type r gt wut dis one doesnt hv&#8230;the charming look&#8230;dis one looks boring oredi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: xg9</title>
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		<dc:creator>xg9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i saw a civic with very nice led taillight and led headlamp in sec 14 pj... anyone know which version is that? i thought it was a type-r.... it was the best looking civic ever..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i saw a civic with very nice led taillight and led headlamp in sec 14 pj&#8230; anyone know which version is that? i thought it was a type-r&#8230;. it was the best looking civic ever..</p>
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		<title>By: szw</title>
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		<dc:creator>szw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not worth the money .</description>
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		<title>By: jolly_idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>jolly_idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toy for Tun, Tan Seri, Datuk&#039;s son, grandson or son-in-law... We won&#039;t able to afford it. Sky high price with sky high speed. Road killing machine...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toy for Tun, Tan Seri, Datuk&#8217;s son, grandson or son-in-law&#8230; We won&#8217;t able to afford it. Sky high price with sky high speed. Road killing machine&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ENZO</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2007/11/27/honda-civic-type-r-track-experience/#comment-130175</link>
		<dc:creator>ENZO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RM220k++ can buy a Accord already.
But if i have that much money, I&#039;ll choose Type-R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RM220k++ can buy a Accord already.<br />
But if i have that much money, I&#8217;ll choose Type-R</p>
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