Comments on: Europestar RCR (Proton GEN2) en route to China http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:11:59 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: ah liew http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142392 ah liew Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:05:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142392 If Chairman Mao is still alive, I think he'll say : What the F*CK! If Chairman Mao is still alive, I think he’ll say : What the F*CK!

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142354 BanyakMasukWorkshop Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:16:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142354 PTAllTheBest "i love this story. every single point is straight forward. so just close potong and the story will end…" a story thats straight to the point doesnt mean its accurate. hyundai motorcars was established in 1967. that makes it 40 years in business.. and until today, jeremy clarkson still laughs at them.. so what does that mean??? PTAllTheBest

“i love this story. every single point is straight forward.
so just close potong and the story will end…”

a story thats straight to the point doesnt mean its accurate. hyundai motorcars was established in 1967. that makes it 40 years in business.. and until today, jeremy clarkson still laughs at them.. so what does that mean???

]]> By: PTAllTheBest http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142006 PTAllTheBest Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:46:14 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-142006 Sometimes when I think about proton, the only thing I can think of is disappointment. After more than twenty years in operation and with alot of help from the Japanese, proton has yet made any remarkable achievement even on the world stage, now it is in crisis, sluggish sale, low quality. It really makes me doubt about Malaysian auto industry (maybe the only thing we can be proud of). I am not trying to put Proton down (I take pride as well) but if you look at the Chinese Brilliance BS6, c’mon it is only merely 5 years old and it got 3 stars in the Euro Ncap something which Proton only managed to achieve recently. We say Chinamen cars got lower quality than Proton but their sales is doubling every year in the Middle East, Russia and other developing market, not to mention their own country, and look at Proton, models after models but still fail to meet the target sale. And if we look at Hyundai, we can see how little Proton is, and both started to gain some grounds at the same time (around 20 years ago), both received help from the Japanese. And look at Hyundai and Proton now, Proton is in tatters and Hyundai we can say that it is a global brand now. Sometimes I think we Malaysians need to reassess ourselves, and get Proton to pull themselves together. - i love this story. every single point is straight forward. so just close potong and the story will end... Sometimes when I think about proton, the only thing I can think of is disappointment. After more than twenty years in operation and with alot of help from the Japanese, proton has yet made any remarkable achievement even on the world stage, now it is in crisis, sluggish sale, low quality. It really makes me doubt about Malaysian auto industry (maybe the only thing we can be proud of). I am not trying to put Proton down (I take pride as well) but if you look at the Chinese Brilliance BS6, c’mon it is only merely 5 years old and it got 3 stars in the Euro Ncap something which Proton only managed to achieve recently. We say Chinamen cars got lower quality than Proton but their sales is doubling every year in the Middle East, Russia and other developing market, not to mention their own country, and look at Proton, models after models but still fail to meet the target sale.

And if we look at Hyundai, we can see how little Proton is, and both started to gain some grounds at the same time (around 20 years ago), both received help from the Japanese. And look at Hyundai and Proton now, Proton is in tatters and Hyundai we can say that it is a global brand now. Sometimes I think we Malaysians need to reassess ourselves, and get Proton to pull themselves together.
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i love this story. every single point is straight forward.
so just close potong and the story will end…

]]> By: drwho http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141689 drwho Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:28:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141689 Heck, even that bastard Jeremy was laughing at our national car on British television. So I really hope the best for Proton in China, even if Proton can just grab a small market share there, it could help Proton make a big turnaround. Heck, even that bastard Jeremy was laughing at our national car on British television.

So I really hope the best for Proton in China, even if Proton can just grab a small market share there, it could help Proton make a big turnaround.

]]> By: drwho http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141671 drwho Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:24:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141671 Sometimes when I think about proton, the only thing I can think of is disappointment. After more than twenty years in operation and with alot of help from the Japanese, proton has yet made any remarkable achievement even on the world stage, now it is in crisis, sluggish sale, low quality. It really makes me doubt about Malaysian auto industry (maybe the only thing we can be proud of). I am not trying to put Proton down (I take pride as well) but if you look at the Chinese Brilliance BS6, c'mon it is only merely 5 years old and it got 3 stars in the Euro Ncap something which Proton only managed to achieve recently. We say Chinamen cars got lower quality than Proton but their sales is doubling every year in the Middle East, Russia and other developing market, not to mention their own country, and look at Proton, models after models but still fail to meet the target sale. And if we look at Hyundai, we can see how little Proton is, and both started to gain some grounds at the same time (around 20 years ago), both received help from the Japanese. And look at Hyundai and Proton now, Proton is in tatters and Hyundai we can say that it is a global brand now. Sometimes I think we Malaysians need to reassess ourselves, and get Proton to pull themselves together. Sometimes when I think about proton, the only thing I can think of is disappointment. After more than twenty years in operation and with alot of help from the Japanese, proton has yet made any remarkable achievement even on the world stage, now it is in crisis, sluggish sale, low quality. It really makes me doubt about Malaysian auto industry (maybe the only thing we can be proud of). I am not trying to put Proton down (I take pride as well) but if you look at the Chinese Brilliance BS6, c’mon it is only merely 5 years old and it got 3 stars in the Euro Ncap something which Proton only managed to achieve recently. We say Chinamen cars got lower quality than Proton but their sales is doubling every year in the Middle East, Russia and other developing market, not to mention their own country, and look at Proton, models after models but still fail to meet the target sale.

And if we look at Hyundai, we can see how little Proton is, and both started to gain some grounds at the same time (around 20 years ago), both received help from the Japanese. And look at Hyundai and Proton now, Proton is in tatters and Hyundai we can say that it is a global brand now. Sometimes I think we Malaysians need to reassess ourselves, and get Proton to pull themselves together.

]]> By: drwho http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141669 drwho Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:54:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141669 The Chinese crash test is called C-Ncap at the speed of 56km/h. The recent re-test of the Chinese Brilliance BS6 got 3 stars in the EuroNcap. And the best score Proton car got so far in EuroNcap is also 3 stars. Good luck to proton, I don't know how long Proton will survive in that fierce competitive market. The Chinese crash test is called C-Ncap at the speed of 56km/h. The recent re-test of the Chinese Brilliance BS6 got 3 stars in the EuroNcap. And the best score Proton car got so far in EuroNcap is also 3 stars. Good luck to proton, I don’t know how long Proton will survive in that fierce competitive market.

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141593 BanyakMasukWorkshop Wed, 02 Jan 2008 05:14:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141593 well done proton. at least you've proven that cars are being sold to youngman and are already on their way to china. a good start. i remember someone mentioning a couple of weeks ago in this forum that this whole china deal is faked, and will not happen. well done proton. at least you’ve proven that cars are being sold to youngman and are already on their way to china. a good start. i remember someone mentioning a couple of weeks ago in this forum that this whole china deal is faked, and will not happen.

]]> By: rexis http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141541 rexis Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:10:37 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141541 Wahh, if one in every million of china rakyat buy eurostar each month, we will have 10k sales monthly! Anyhow, still feel a bit disgusted about the prouching lion, cant they at least use a tiger? Wahh, if one in every million of china rakyat buy eurostar each month, we will have 10k sales monthly!

Anyhow, still feel a bit disgusted about the prouching lion, cant they at least use a tiger?

]]> By: PTAllTheBest http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141475 PTAllTheBest Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:39:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141475 hangat hangat tahi ayam je... remember the news potong also export to thailand. now no news anymore. maybe the sales has drop 99%... kah..kah...kah hangat hangat tahi ayam je…
remember the news potong also export to thailand. now no news anymore.
maybe the sales has drop 99%… kah..kah…kah

]]> By: VPowerRacing http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141368 VPowerRacing Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:42:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-141368 hope u like the car..we can send the new SAGA too if you want.. hope u like the car..we can send the new SAGA too if you want..

]]> By: tec96248 http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140992 tec96248 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:29:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140992 don't put so high hope of the sales in china, 5%? overthere have so many local cars or ckd cars. most of the chinese do like vw or audi. dongfeng also manufactured cars, nissan, citroen, etc. look at their cars market is not that simple. don’t put so high hope of the sales in china, 5%? overthere have so many local cars or ckd cars. most of the chinese do like vw or audi. dongfeng also manufactured cars, nissan, citroen, etc. look at their cars market is not that simple.

]]> By: tec96248 http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140990 tec96248 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:24:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140990 adunadun said, December 30, 2007 @ 10:06 pm any persona have bad experience? still didnt receive any bad comment about persona? improve alot i guess. any comment? --yes, a simple bad experience about persona. the aircond control knobs r too far, no sense of ergonomics. when driving fast too risky to reach the knob and difficult to adjust the blower speed or thermostat. too loose. never been improved since gen2. still don't understand why??? for the manual version the centre console is an obstruction because whenever changing gear the elbow usually hit it. damn, once forgotten really painful on left elbow. afterall the car ride is ok. adunadun said,
December 30, 2007 @ 10:06 pm

any persona have bad experience? still didnt receive any bad comment about persona? improve alot i guess. any comment?

–yes, a simple bad experience about persona. the aircond control knobs r too far, no sense of ergonomics. when driving fast too risky to reach the knob and difficult to adjust the blower speed or thermostat. too loose. never been improved since gen2. still don’t understand why??? for the manual version the centre console is an obstruction because whenever changing gear the elbow usually hit it. damn, once forgotten really painful on left elbow. afterall the car ride is ok.

]]> By: e-by http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140986 e-by Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:34:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140986 1,600 bookings maybe looks big to Malaysian but it is actually a very fraction numbers of the market size. Even 30,000 also not significant..perhaps around 1% of the total annual market share. China has a very big potential market. If Proton can concured 5% of total market share, that will be enough to keep Proton factory busy all the years. That's why I wonder why Tg. Mahaleel choose to ignore China market. China market got more potential than Europe since the customers are not demanding like Europe or US. Affordability is still main factor. Proton is quite clever when they capitalise Lotus branding since Chinese prefers Euro brand rather than Japan. The certification is not a problem since China has a lower standard compare to Europe. 1,600 bookings maybe looks big to Malaysian but it is actually a very fraction numbers of the market size. Even 30,000 also not significant..perhaps around 1% of the total annual market share.

China has a very big potential market. If Proton can concured 5% of total market share, that will be enough to keep Proton factory busy all the years. That’s why I wonder why Tg. Mahaleel choose to ignore China market.

China market got more potential than Europe since the customers are not demanding like Europe or US. Affordability is still main factor. Proton is quite clever when they capitalise Lotus branding since Chinese prefers Euro brand rather than Japan.

The certification is not a problem since China has a lower standard compare to Europe.

]]> By: kei9 http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140980 kei9 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:18:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140980 more shipment..more $$? more shipment..more $$?

]]> By: cecibo http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140976 cecibo Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:18:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140976 As usual if it comes to foreign market the Proton quality is far more better then the local, reliability is at the top to compete with any other brands, it's normal. This is how they've been doing all the time. As usual if it comes to foreign market the Proton quality is far more better then the local, reliability is at the top to compete with any other brands, it’s normal.

This is how they’ve been doing all the time.

]]> By: wildthingz http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140975 wildthingz Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:09:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140975 hey proton why dont u change the badge into bat or spider maybe u can sell it to american market they will call it bat mobile or spidey mobile.... my opinion only dont get mad k just for laugh hey proton why dont u change the badge into bat or spider maybe u can sell it to american market they will call it bat mobile or spidey mobile…. my opinion only dont get mad k just for laugh

]]> By: wildthingz http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140974 wildthingz Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:06:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140974 never mind the badge lah proton also use karnivor mah but the use cat err i mean tiger hehhehehehhe thunder thunder thunder cat hoooooooo now the thunder car is calling thier friend from china the lion king....... i hope jackie will use gen 2 in movie soon hehehehhe never mind the badge lah proton also use karnivor mah but the use cat err i mean tiger hehhehehehhe thunder thunder thunder cat hoooooooo now the thunder car is calling thier friend from china the lion king……. i hope jackie will use gen 2 in movie soon hehehehhe

]]> By: supernan9 http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140951 supernan9 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:58:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140951 nevermind proton.don't care what type of logo will be used..just how much figure you can sell. nevermind proton.don’t care what type of logo will be used..just how much figure you can sell.

]]> By: shaif http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140803 shaif Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:57:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140803 At least they are still rationale comment like KelvC , bravo... At least they are still rationale comment like KelvC , bravo…

]]> By: adunadun http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140787 adunadun Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:33:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140787 waht about fuel consumption of persona? pls give comparison with ur previous car for reference.(city use/travel use , car age,cc) thx in advance waht about fuel consumption of persona? pls give comparison with ur previous car for reference.(city use/travel use , car age,cc) thx in advance

]]> By: DrA http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140786 DrA Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:47:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140786 KelvC, Well said. Totally agree with you. KelvC,
Well said. Totally agree with you.

]]> By: KelvC http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140784 KelvC Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:34:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140784 I simply do not see the relevance of discussing Europestar's logo, if they feel they can sell more with Crouching Tiger Hidden Tiger emblem so be it. Therefore likewise if Afghanistan wants a poppy logo, so what's the discussion? Proton logo would not be recognised anyway in these countries. I would interpret the entry to the Chinese market via Europestar as a backdoor entry before bigger (if any) things to come. If the "standing" lion/unicorn has a copyright issue therefore it is the onus of the copyright holder to file a suit against Youngman. From where i can see, Proton just slap in the badge based on the "customer" (in this case Youngman) direction and instruction. To put it in the simplest term, Proton is basically the OEM provider. Youngman is the Malaysia's equivalent of Naza today (as you all know, Naza buys from Kia, Peugeot and another Chinese car and slap a Naza badge on it...please don't do it to Mazda too). I simply do not see the relevance of discussing Europestar’s logo, if they feel they can sell more with Crouching Tiger Hidden Tiger emblem so be it. Therefore likewise if Afghanistan wants a poppy logo, so what’s the discussion? Proton logo would not be recognised anyway in these countries. I would interpret the entry to the Chinese market via Europestar as a backdoor entry before bigger (if any) things to come.

If the “standing” lion/unicorn has a copyright issue therefore it is the onus of the copyright holder to file a suit against Youngman. From where i can see, Proton just slap in the badge based on the “customer” (in this case Youngman) direction and instruction. To put it in the simplest term, Proton is basically the OEM provider. Youngman is the Malaysia’s equivalent of Naza today (as you all know, Naza buys from Kia, Peugeot and another Chinese car and slap a Naza badge on it…please don’t do it to Mazda too).

]]> By: topgunthang http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140781 topgunthang Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:42:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140781 yes. its the most reliable and fastest car i've owned. actually, its the only car ive ever owned so im going to defend it to the grave no matter how crap it is. did i mention its tuned by lotus. who needs a ferrari??? yes. its the most reliable and fastest car i’ve owned. actually, its the only car ive ever owned so im going to defend it to the grave no matter how crap it is.
did i mention its tuned by lotus. who needs a ferrari???

]]> By: adunadun http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140773 adunadun Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:06:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140773 any persona have bad experience? still didnt receive any bad comment about persona? improve alot i guess. any comment? any persona have bad experience? still didnt receive any bad comment about persona? improve alot i guess. any comment?

]]> By: nmh http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140772 nmh Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:46:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140772 I think C-NCAP is abit easier than NCAP. Can pass laa I think C-NCAP is abit easier than NCAP. Can pass laa

]]> By: _xXx_ http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140771 _xXx_ Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:45:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140771 Pranching lion is a copy cat. Refer to Peugeot's emblem. How bout a pranching donkey for this bintangeropah? Pranching lion is a copy cat. Refer to Peugeot’s emblem.

How bout a pranching donkey for this bintangeropah?

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140749 szw Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:27:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140749 build qualities ? hahaha !!! build qualities ?
hahaha !!!

]]> By: NeedGoodCar http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140744 NeedGoodCar Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:24:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140744 what a disgrace!!! where is the pride? marke it as p1 lah if p1 claims it can stand on its own. scarp the stupid nap lah, since p1 can survive on its own already. what a disgrace!!!

where is the pride? marke it as p1 lah if p1 claims it can stand on its own.

scarp the stupid nap lah, since p1 can survive on its own already.

]]> By: cecibo http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140495 cecibo Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:35:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140495 if it's named proton chinese will call it PLOTON!!!! now europestar, EULOPESTAR!!!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA if it’s named proton chinese will call it PLOTON!!!!
now europestar, EULOPESTAR!!!!
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

]]> By: king http://paultan.org/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140484 king Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:55:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/archives/2007/12/28/europestar-rcr-proton-gen2-en-route-to-china/#comment-140484 btw, the logo looks more like a unicorn than a lion....but without a horn btw, the logo looks more like a unicorn than a lion….but without a horn

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