actually i think P1 already do a big effort.. it’s not the easy job to design your own engine.. now there already have one.. of course Campro la… it’s a better start.. when it’s new.. it always have problems.. macam biasa la… since then they’ll develope n improve time after time.. now the do a lot better with Persona.n I hope this BML will launch with the better quality..

just my opinion…

I think staring from Persona the quality of parts have improved if compared to previous models.Of course still could do betterlah

Balik2 suruh org buat?What do you mean? Do you know big giant company also hire other company to do cars and parts for them?Even up to the design of the car oso they subcon

To do a total car by itself needs proper number of manpower and resources. Ideally,1 engineer needs to concentrate to 1 project but as far as I know,in Proton 1 engineer does several other projects oso so no proper focus maa.

Careful bro,when u say “ke mana pergi engineer proton yang hebat2 tu” u are actually insulting those people. Are you hebat ke?

Now thats what I call a good comments from you!At least you start to talk facts rather than something ‘not-fact’

However…

During the emergence of Dr.M, industries were there but not enough catalyst to make it big because there is no triggering factor to it.That is where the idea of Proton comes in.I NEVER did say all the development planned by Dr.M was good infact the choice of sample you gave PERWAJA is a good one (a good example of a failure of course)

The koreans and japs sign the open market because they are ready and strong enough to compete.As simpe as that.But before that?That is for you to find out

Guinea pigs?Come on,that is just a loose terms. In automotive it doesn’t mean they give you a car without a brake and see how you’ll stop.It is about giving a proper car THEY thought is good enough but eventually customers will complain the needs that they wants and from there they’ll improve it.Sorry to say that Proton’s marketing research and planning is poor and needs to buck up.They need to have a thorough research in publics wanting in a car and different country have different requirements for the car they want to buy

Before the creation of proton,industries are moving BUT not enough.Steel?Of course its there la bro.Electronics?It’s there too but not enough.So when proton comes in, a lot of giant manufacturer saw the opportunities with the incentives gievn by G and grabbed it.Examples are Siemens,TRW,Hirotako Autoliv,ZF etc..etc… and also triggers a more dynamic local company.The fact that the industry is there alone is not enough to say we have enough.To move on, we need something more and that is where Proton’s idea was mooted.

I sincerely think Proton start to “bertaubat” and the current management is trying to clean up “tut!” left by the old management. The past management was not dynamic,sincere and responsible enough to take the helm of Proton. The new current one looks ok but one needs to see actual prove before applauds is given

2nd Savvy “kerja buntut” = BLM sedan

3rd (likely) Satria Neo “kerja buntut” = XXX sedan.
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4th “kaki buntut”= Bigfish alias “Buttman”

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5th “Buttman” = main buntut

2nd Savvy “kerja buntut” = BLM sedan

3rd (likely) Satria Neo “kerja buntut” = XXX sedan.
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4th “kaki buntut”= Bigfish alias “Buttman”

China is a smart country, if u want to sell ur car u most come to china and combine wif another local factory to built and sell the cars which is still consider very cheap to sell. Compare to us, those CKD models like Merc, BMW, Nissan are still expensive to own even CBU models made in Malaysia.

U say that they tested their cars in their own country are Guinea pigs. Is that mean that the Gen.2, Satria neo, savvy & BLM are given to us as Guinea pigs? I seen a lot of new standard use by them, and they have safety, environment regulation set by their G to line to all Japs cars for their own ppl good. They have what we call real time R&D, if u mind see the Auto innovation in Astro 734 to know how they did it before selling a new car model? Wow… We Malaysian are really just guinea pigs for Proton all these time.

How u wonder those companies who get the contract wif Proton is from whom? And especially which gain the most benefits from it? Anyway forget to tell u, if u went to Tun Dr.M house and see his car park. I seen more foreign cars compare to local, even his own son is driving a Porsche cayenne turbo.. Where all those money come from to support all those luxury home & cars?

Before Proton, the industry is already a good moving. Steel need to be used in development, when development are good factories can be built, electronics & manufacturer are a lot from Intel, AMD, Sony, Toshiba etc… come to establish in Malaysia. When u have manufacturing companies, they will have local supporting vendors to help, this is a business cycle. These companies are far more advance then Proton to move the whole nation economic if u think wisely n some even come earlier then Proton. Even the computer CPU u use now, especially Intel is assemble in Malaysia, and how many CPU model it changed since ur first computer? Compare to local cars?

And if u mind, Tun Dr.M Project not all are success. Especially his own Perwaja steel project, tongkah project & a lot…

Anyway, I do prefer it to be clear lense. Looks neater that way

“Proton Should be MOVING faster then anyone else in ASEAN countries. Why? Coz they are supported by the G financial & NAP!

See those Japanese, Korean, Chinese cars. Do their Company are finance by their G?!? They are done by their own Private finance, the most is just G loan! They still have to pay back the Loan !@#!$

Sorry, this is what i tot. I am not a basher, but i am for the good of Proton. Is time to have a fair competition, or not u will always compete wif Perodua which is good for K-cars category.”

-LittleFire85 ,U seriously need to do your homework!I don’t think u know a lot of stuff in automotive but trying to be a person who knows all

The Japanese,korean and china are not finance by G BUT they are protected fiercely by their G in their early days!China are starting to be an open-market but do you know how hard,difficult and tedious if a foreign automotive company wants to enter China?It’s all about protecting their product.

Do u know Korean G used to be very kedekut in allowing foreign car to be sold in their country?Its all about protecting their product.

Do you know the Japanese used to do the same thing?

Do you know the common things Japanese and Korean company have?They’ve been in the industries far longer than Proton and they have been very patriotic of their product. AND they are the one being the Guinea pigs of their products i.e. their consumer bought the car first,complaint and they improved;then only they sold the car to overseas

China is a slightly different in terms of automotive industries and market

Proton also borrow money from G but they have already repaid their dues

Do u seriously think G gave money to Proton?It’s the other way round.

The prime reason of the creation of Proton is to trigger heavy industries in Malaysia e.g. steel, industries,manufacturing,electronics,supporting vendors etc..etc.. sand it did .Having its own design car is secondary objective by that time.Knew about it when I had the opportunity talking to Tun M himself!

Do your thorough research before trying to be smart bro!

so i guess its time to let the competition in and help them improve even faster.

See those Japanese, Korean, Chinese cars. Do their Company are finance by their G?!? They are done by their own Private finance, the most is just G loan! They still have to pay back the Loan !@#!$

Sorry, this is what i tot. I am not a basher, but i am for the good of Proton. Is time to have a fair competition, or not u will always compete wif Perodua which is good for K-cars category.

Does anyone here have any details about proton next mpv???
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-we have to wait… i think proton will do a test drive on street in this year because they planning to release on next year.. so.. ready for camera…!

marvel said,
January 3, 2008 @ 3:43 pm

Old Saga’s about time to retire, Proton finally realised than most people prefer sedans,Persona was the only sedan after Waja,so this new Saga is a good additional, but I hope Satria Neo will still remain as 2door…a Gti will be nice….
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First Gen-2 “kerja buntut” = Persona sedan

2nd Savvy “kerja buntut” = BLM sedan

3rd (likely) Satria Neo “kerja buntut” = XXX sedan.
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- BigFish, u nie tak habis2 dengan u punye “buntut”.. itu “buntut”.. ini “buntut”.. hahaha.. after this they are not produce satria neo sedan.. they are go ahead for MPV.. after that maybe they want to replace perdana or waja.. i guess..

- now i am pengawas.. hahaha..

Do u think G want to open local automative market to other brand??
Come on lah. Of course our G want something in return from other G to open it.
That how greedy politicion/busisnessmen should do.If u want to give open competition in local, try to be business/politiction. I bet u will not do that once u are there.

Ops ,should my comment focus about saga? Sorry2…please delete this if you could.

hmmm….i think we don’t ask for proton to produce something spectacular first… that will be suicidal…
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Produce something spectacular? Peanut R & D investment! maybe another 20 years (2028) to produce something spectacular by today standard.

Old Saga’s about time to retire, Proton finally realised than most people prefer sedans,Persona was the only sedan after Waja,so this new Saga is a good additional, but I hope Satria Neo will still remain as 2door…a Gti will be nice….
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First Gen-2 “kerja buntut” = Persona sedan

2nd Savvy “kerja buntut” = BLM sedan

3rd (likely) Satria Neo “kerja buntut” = XXX sedan.

if we count the avg modern car today, tunable engine breathing, its engine of todays standard,
well not as precision as valvetronic, (normally for up market car only)
not the yet dsg (when still some enthusiast still opt to normal clutched gearbox) and yet dsg is not for the mass model, average american automatic car still using torque converter, average european car still using manual syncromesh gear box,

so by average or mass, proton is a car at todays standard technology, but for some addditional latest engine tech is undeniable needed by proton, and the tech is already in the bank of knowledge of lotus, where to the extend of the simplified camless engine or HCCI high efficiency engine,.
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but the BLM its sensible enough, its not a car to be raced, though campro quite potent at second half of its range,
its budget economical, with good consumption (thanks to cheap simple tech trick with its plastic manifold),

and the availability of tunable intake and variable cam, if both playing their part togather, campro is definitly a performance engine,

well not to mention some direct injection actually made experimental on actual car and force inducted last time been actually tested,

so not bad i think,
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if have any idea like a cooler turbo gassoline,
maximisimixation ram air potential, just throw your idea,
or any thing might solve some automotive inefficiencies within our perspective is good,
might be silly at first but who knows, or other gadget maybe,

lot of brilliant people out there,

U really,really can’t compare Proton to other giant car manufacturer in terms of capability and technology.They have been in auto industries since a very long time and Proton has only recently capable of building their own car i.e. the start of Waja(although it is not 100% theirs ). You are asking Proton,a 10 year old kid to do a man’s job.It’s down right ridiculous.

Auto industries technology is somewhat owned by each company and they will NOT share it with others.The only way Proton can have those are either hiring the specialist,buy the company with the technology or home-breed technology.Either way,I don’t think economic of scale of Proton allows that.They need to resolve their basic fundamentals first before venturing into more advanced technology.But maybe Proton could do it concurrently by having a special gifted-engineers to explore advance technology?Just a thought…

Handling is not only about getting thrills out of your car.It is the active safety system for a car.It is about car control and dynamic behaviour of the vehicle.It is not always about sportiness etc..etc… It is not just about going in corners at 150km/h but also about getting yourself safe upon emergencies e.g. emergency avoidance,oversteering,understeering etc..etc…If you think handling is only about sportiness,you need to read more!In short,it is about stability.You don’t need to ride on a Lotus car to gauge handling. A simplest way to gauge handling is by driving an Iswara and Waja and see which one you feel more secure when driving and emergencies.Now that is part and parcel of handling!

I think Proton is catching up but still have many years ahead until they can be at par with the main players.But the most important thinh is for Proton to get their basics/fundamentals right before venturing into more high tech stuff