proton.GL.. said,
January 8, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

mpv is somewhat been sketched by now,
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-and i hope it will looks like toyota wish or honda stream..

i read at one malay forum say, the mpv from proton design like toyota wish.. and will launch at the end of 2009.. the writer of that thread have cousin at proton r&d if i not wrong..

proton.GL.. said,
January 8, 2008 @ 9:48 pm

mpv is somewhat been sketched by now,
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-and i hope it will looks like toyota wish or honda stream..

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i read at one malay forum, proton have done the development of proton mpv.. it’s say the design like a toyota wish and will launch at the end of 2009…

Just to tease u guys, :-p…the “NEW VERSION’ of the Campro engine will have about 170HP!!! Have a Gud Day and Cheers!!!

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That’s quite impressive.. How you going to push the specific power to more than 100 hp/litre unless if you super-charged or turbo-charged the engine.

I presume there’ll be a lot of mods on the cranktrain, block and head.

Looking at current oil price, turbo-charged engine is not a good solution.

someone posted some pics in forum above..

I think it shoudn’t be the size of Matrix as I read somewhere, its a seven seater full size mpv with the third row seats can fit 2 adults comfortably. Based from this, the seats configuration should be 2+3+2 which is the same as typical low roof-line type mpv such as wish, stream and grand livina. If its an 8-seater mpv, then the shape should be as the high roof-line type mpv such as innova, naza ria or alphard.

Besides, IMHO, 170hp is more logical for the 7 or 8 seater type. Not the 5 seater type such as the Matrix.

I expect the exterior design cues are based on the lotus apx as its a working prototype & ready for production but maybe a whole lot toned down for a practical people mover.

How about Mr. Si-fu confirming on this?

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i thought any car manufacturer cant use GTI name anymore because it is belong to VW? I remember i read an article regarding this before….maybe have to put R3 name

A relative of mine who’s also working with P1 told me that the new MPV is undergoing lots of testing on P1 oval track, with tons of electronic sensor equipments attached to its body. But he mention that it will be small sized, like the Hyundai Matrix. Since he’s not R&D staff, he never had the chance to see it close, only from far away. Just to confirm from you whether that’s right? (Just on the size)

About the Waja MC-3, I remember reading it from a local daily more than a year ago (yess its quite long time already) where Datuk SZ revealed that its engine will be a supercharged one with technical assistance by Bosch. A supercharged campro CPS? How true is that report?

By the way, I thought the Waja is to be retired. 7 years in the market, and it is in the same market segment as the Persona.

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si-fu said,
January 7, 2008 @ 5:49 pm

Hi Guys and Hi to Paul.
Thx everyone for reading my comment.

For yippi33 Question:
Proton is planning to make IAFM standard on all production cars soon. That means that all models that uses the Campro 1.6 and 1.3 engine in the future will have the IAFM as standard. Currently the CAMPRO CPS which is only available in 1.6 WILL BE ONLY USED in the Gen-2 Facelift and Waja Facelift MC-3. This two model will be launched soon in the local market. Proton is currently working on a ‘NEW VERSION’ of the Campro engine to be used in the MPV project and most probably in the Satria Neo GTI project. Just to tease u guys, :-p…the “NEW VERSION’ of the Campro engine will have about 170HP!!! Have a Gud Day and Cheers!!!

Yes but seeing how you agree that accidents are inevitable no matter the driver, wouldn’t you want a new car you bought to have the most safety features possible? Bad/unsafe drivers will always exist unfortunately, but what about the good/conservative drivers who also find themselves in accidents? I’m sure they’d rather have airbags than your idioms in the split second before impact.

And why do “anti-airbag” people always say to just buy (more expensive model/mercedes/whatever) if you want safety? the whole point is that people in other countries don’t have to! it is included, for the same price or LESS than what you pay here. Are foreign lives worth more than yours and your family?

Why not be for both better driving AND safer cars when all else fails? The two aren’t mutually exclusive, you know.

cool man…finally u changed…apology accepted…

this blog will be boring without you..so please do write after this…

to sifu…

what i heard from my friend who is working in proton,the mpv is goin to be a super charged version of campro and and a new campro 2.0 is on the way..is that true?

even the satria gti is going to be super changed version fully tuned by lotus…lauching sometime this year??

is the 2.0 version of campro based on the 1.6 ??or its an all new engine?

do keep us update sifu..thanks

All the best to eveyone here. Drive safe and stay safe.

I always thought that u were from Powertrain Dept, but i guess if u r from there, u wouldn’t be asking that question rite…hehehehehehe. But for sure i know u r from Proton R&D! :-p

The was no rattling, just the flap switching sound. The problem has been rectified by putting dampers on the flaps. It helps in dampening the sound, however it doesn’t eliminates it 100%. We should keep in mind that the flap switches at arnd 3800rpm. The sound is only prominent, when the car is stationary, and rammed up to arnd 4000rpm, with the front lid open. With the dampers, and the car stationary, and the front lid closed, the sound couldn’t be heard at all, from outside as well inside the cabin. So i guess the problem is solved. I dont think anybody is gonna wind down their window, jont their head out, and listen when the car is moving at 4000rpm….hehehehe.
Cheers!

January 8, 2008 @ 3:16 am

Yes driving safely and alertly is of the highest importance, but at the same time don’t be disillusioned into thinking “I’m a careful driver so I don’t need safety features.” You can be very careful but still be hit by someone else, or make a momentary mistake.
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>>>Nonono, I’ve never been against putting safety features, it’s just that if it can’t be provided, some kind of makeshift have to be equipped: the driver. The driver would hv to improve his driving skill. I’d rather advice ppl to be a better driver than rant how socially irresponsible some car manufacturers can be.

Besides, your example can be considered as an accident, which I put as “unavoidable” and “God’s willing”, it is outside your range of capabilities. Mistakes happen, but if you nvr learn from it, how wasteful is that? I’ll owe up that I used to scratch someone’s car while reversing AND answering a phone call, so I learnt an expensive lesson (the owner was there, so I had to compensate him RM250 on the spot for cost of ketuk n paint T.T), so if I do the same mistake, then I hv no one to blame except for myself.

Then there’s crashes, which are some obvious faults avoidable: not wearing seatbelt, not giving signal, high beam other vehicles, never replace botak tyres, never service brake, etc. Get my drift? Before one starts blaming others for being cheapskate enough to not give ABS n twin airbags, one should “ukur baju di badan sendiri dulu”. Islam also teach its worshippers to “berusaha sedaya upaya sebelum serahkan kepada Tuhan untuk menentukan usaha kita”.

Besides, one can always get the Persona H-line if they are that desperate for twin airbags n ABS.

@IsaacVky,
Check this out:
http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/article_1224/page_m.asp

Hilux is the best seller truck last Nov wit 9962 units. Even Honda City can oni sell 8965 units!!

Before u start thinking anything weird, no, I dun like it either. The last time I read Autocar, Hilux was pretty expensive, which puzzled me why ppl want to pay so much for it. If ever, I think Ford Ranger is the best truck overall wit an attractive price tag in comparison to its rivals. I think Triton is more expensive than Ranger, but at least Triton is better than Hilux.

@The Unicons
Heheh, I’m doing great. It’s been awhile, eh? Been busy working?

Back in 2004, I remember Merc used to make a major recall to E-class W211, Maybach and some other models that come with their sensotronic electronic brake apa ke benda ntah org German ni bagi nama pelik2. I’d always thought Merc was a bit too ambitious wit their electronic brake sensor on the pedal rather than the conventional hydraulic on most other cars basically. Not oni it’s complicated wit fragile electronics, it also lacks brake feel when u press the pedal. Just like how power steering kills the steering feel we used to experience in a Kancil (Iswara for some ppl) when getting our license. Worse still, it failed. Merc not oni lost millions (or billions) wit that recall, it also lost the reputation they’re trying to build back of how they used to be very reliable. I guess the Mercedes engineers hv been playing too much PS2, they’d thought it’ll work for a REAL car in the REAL world, lol. How wrong they were.

Even Germans make mistake. The grass will always be greener on the other side, but I guess “hujan batu di negeri sendiri” is always better.

I hv an interesting article about supercars, I guess it can correct the people’s perception about Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etcetcetc:
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/news/article1358351.ece

Heh. Think supercars are created by God? Think again……no means to insult the supercars, but just as a warning that good things come with a price. A very, very expensive price. And it’s not just the money as the price tag, if you get what I mean.

Happy motoring everyone.

You sure know a lot about CamPro IAFM. Tell me, is the rattling problem caused when IAFM flap hit the PA66GF35% runner has been solved permanently? Don’t tell me the engine still sound like a diesel engine. Clank, clank, clank.

sweet…can play with 4G15…it’s time to leave behind my old saga?hmmm….

Me will book Hilux and smoke out all these “small lawnmover on the road”.

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even my satria 1.3 last time can smoke hilux anyday…so i think BLM with 97 odd hp won’t have any problem smoking it as well

I hope his new Hilux got stolen on the 1st night of delivery.
By the way, Hilux is the worst 4X4 pickup you can get on the market now, in terms of looks power comfortability and such and so on.
So actually he’s not that neither smart nor clever. Haha!

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exactly, it only shows how shallow is his knowledege of cars.
Hilux = low power, high FC , high price in 4×4 pickup category

To Engtia’s Question:
Sorry to say again, the ECU (from SIEMENS VDO) that Proton uses cannot be altered even by Proton Engineers. The type of ECU that is used in production cars in Proton are production ECU’s. This ECU, once the mapping is flashed on to it, its permanent. So there is no possible way of changing the mapping or using a piggy back ECU. However, there are some claims from local aftermarket tuners that they can remap the ECU. Maybe u should hunt for them and see what they can do. But once the ECU is modified or ‘disturbed’ the warranty voids. For testing and calibration purposes, there are another 2 (Series and Application) types of ECU that Proton has. This ECU can be remapped as many times as you want but its not for commercial purposes.

For Nanashisan Question:
Proton’s 1.3L Campro (S4PE) only produces 94bhp. IAFM DOESN’T INCREASE the hp of the engine. It ONLY helps in the torque of the engine. The Campro (1.6L and 1.3L) basically was designed to be a high powered engine, so in that case the low end torque was sacrificed (there was a torque dip in the low end region aprrox at 1000rpm – 3000rpm). In order to overcome that problem, IAFM and VIM is used to get a better and smoother torque curve (the torque dip was removed and high torque at low end region approx at 1000rpm – 3000rpm). For hp and torque comparison:-

Campro 1.3L (S4PE) – 94 hp , Max torque – 122 Nm (Without IAFM -120Nm)
4G 13 (Mitsu 1.3L) – 83 hp , Max torque – 109 Nm
4G 15 (Mitsu 1.5L) – 91 hp , Max torque – 127 Nm

Hope this info is helpful. Cheers!!!

Thanks for the feedback!

mpv is somewhat been sketched by now,
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-and i hope it will looks like toyota wish or honda stream..

January 8, 2008 @ 6:15 pm

May be Bigfish already booked one..hehehe
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This may take place only after go to showroom to see the BLM and check-touch-knock-press all over with “engineer-precision”, look at the spaciousness, build quality, bang the door hard (shall sound “thub”), consistent gap between door & body, big glove box, etc. This is also book on behalf of my friend, not me. Me will book Hilux and smoke out all these “small lawnmover on the road”.
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Hilux is not a car… it is a PICK UP… different class Maaa….

perhaps proton is preparing/tuning its campro to pull an MPV,
definitely its torque that counts,

hopefully campro evolve for batter for various specs and purpose,