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	<title>Comments on: Tata invests in car powered by compressed air</title>
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	<description>Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry</description>
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		<title>By: ang</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143537</link>
		<dc:creator>ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MDI wepage said it&#039;s 10 times cheaper per km than petrol.  Logically that will equates to energy efficiency isn&#039;t it.  OK if not in direct proportion by some factors.  So looks like this is greener than petrol (or even electric car).

But the main thing it is cheap, even at half of what being claimed.  Who don&#039;t want to use it but of course at decent range and speed (this only a start, longer range and power in future maybe).  At least the masses will go for it, don&#039;t want to talk about the rich (they can afford to fuel their passion).

The best thing is it&#039;s simpler, much simpler than Electric or Hydrogen car.  It might be exact reason it&#039;s being ignored by the big corporations R &amp; D, more exotic more fund they get etc.  On sinister note, towkey minyak might be behind car manufacturers move (they might belong to same towkey).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MDI wepage said it&#8217;s 10 times cheaper per km than petrol.  Logically that will equates to energy efficiency isn&#8217;t it.  OK if not in direct proportion by some factors.  So looks like this is greener than petrol (or even electric car).</p>
<p>But the main thing it is cheap, even at half of what being claimed.  Who don&#8217;t want to use it but of course at decent range and speed (this only a start, longer range and power in future maybe).  At least the masses will go for it, don&#8217;t want to talk about the rich (they can afford to fuel their passion).</p>
<p>The best thing is it&#8217;s simpler, much simpler than Electric or Hydrogen car.  It might be exact reason it&#8217;s being ignored by the big corporations R &amp; D, more exotic more fund they get etc.  On sinister note, towkey minyak might be behind car manufacturers move (they might belong to same towkey).</p>
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		<title>By: detguaq</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143374</link>
		<dc:creator>detguaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopes proton will alert bout this tech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopes proton will alert bout this tech.</p>
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		<title>By: detguaq</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143360</link>
		<dc:creator>detguaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Malaysian Government through Proton takes any necessity action to develope this alternative engine immidiately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Malaysian Government through Proton takes any necessity action to develope this alternative engine immidiately.</p>
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		<title>By: megahyper</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143205</link>
		<dc:creator>megahyper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep your finger cross that you dont bang into one of these, or their tank to be specific.

It will blows you away. literally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep your finger cross that you dont bang into one of these, or their tank to be specific.</p>
<p>It will blows you away. literally.</p>
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		<title>By: szw</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143079</link>
		<dc:creator>szw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lolz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolz</p>
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		<title>By: cbljkkj</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143070</link>
		<dc:creator>cbljkkj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was researching Guy Negre&#039;s AirCar a couple months back and managed to get a peek at the air compressor that was used to &quot;re-fuel&quot; the car and it was maybe slightly over twice the size of power generators found at pasar malam stalls that use them for generating power for their lights.

It could be highly possible to own the car and the air compressor without breaking the bank. What&#039;s interesting is that it expels cold water and air, and quoting from the narrator of that video (vaguely), &quot;If everybody used it in a hot state like California, the ambient temperature will drop making it cool and comfortable&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was researching Guy Negre&#8217;s AirCar a couple months back and managed to get a peek at the air compressor that was used to &#8220;re-fuel&#8221; the car and it was maybe slightly over twice the size of power generators found at pasar malam stalls that use them for generating power for their lights.</p>
<p>It could be highly possible to own the car and the air compressor without breaking the bank. What&#8217;s interesting is that it expels cold water and air, and quoting from the narrator of that video (vaguely), &#8220;If everybody used it in a hot state like California, the ambient temperature will drop making it cool and comfortable&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GlowJo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143067</link>
		<dc:creator>GlowJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, 
I think this car won&#039;t have air conditioning unit cause a/c compressor will use lots of energy..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,<br />
I think this car won&#8217;t have air conditioning unit cause a/c compressor will use lots of energy..</p>
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		<title>By: kei9</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143053</link>
		<dc:creator>kei9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing that needs to have more R&amp;D is the engine..Mind you that air is corrosive to metal.. But yeah it sure will work out. Cheap, economical and fantastically enviromentally friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing that needs to have more R&#038;D is the engine..Mind you that air is corrosive to metal.. But yeah it sure will work out. Cheap, economical and fantastically enviromentally friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: proton.GL..</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143023</link>
		<dc:creator>proton.GL..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if can tap a renewable energy like tidal wave as a source to move the pump to generate copressed air and stored in some way, and reuse it or transfer it into kanetic energy, this is very clean, 

but if batteries involve in the chain of energy transfer, or external non renwable energy, or fossil fuel to power the generator or compressor, - its still produce byproduct from its source, even nuclear energy,

if automotive = passion, no one will opt this type of motor,

beside quest for effiency of the internal combustion engine,low emission, and power regeneration.

probally the real world of automotive issue is internal combustion is that it fail to convert the wasted heat energy into some kind potential energy that might be reuse to propell the car ............is beneficial,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if can tap a renewable energy like tidal wave as a source to move the pump to generate copressed air and stored in some way, and reuse it or transfer it into kanetic energy, this is very clean, </p>
<p>but if batteries involve in the chain of energy transfer, or external non renwable energy, or fossil fuel to power the generator or compressor, &#8211; its still produce byproduct from its source, even nuclear energy,</p>
<p>if automotive = passion, no one will opt this type of motor,</p>
<p>beside quest for effiency of the internal combustion engine,low emission, and power regeneration.</p>
<p>probally the real world of automotive issue is internal combustion is that it fail to convert the wasted heat energy into some kind potential energy that might be reuse to propell the car &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;is beneficial,</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey1977</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143022</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this is the problem when cars are cheap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is the problem when cars are cheap!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey1977</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-143021</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey1977</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will buy.

Light = low cost = lots of cars on the road = traffic in India!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will buy.</p>
<p>Light = low cost = lots of cars on the road = traffic in India!</p>
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		<title>By: BigFish</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142997</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wonder how compressed air move this car up to top speed of 150 KM/H?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wonder how compressed air move this car up to top speed of 150 KM/H?</p>
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		<title>By: BigFish</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142996</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Give me free, I want, ask me to buy? no. no. no......................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Give me free, I want, ask me to buy? no. no. no&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BigFish</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142995</link>
		<dc:creator>BigFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the car will cost between 3,500 to 4,000 euros (RM17,000 to RM19,400). It weighs not more than 330kg and goes up to a top speed of 150km/h. Projected range is about between 160 to 320 km, depending on traffic conditions.
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1. Cheap car no good. What is the NCAP rating given the weight is approx. 1/3 of B segment car?

2. The range is too short, not practical.

3. Is it safe? &quot;Tissue box on the wheel&quot;. How about head on collision test?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the car will cost between 3,500 to 4,000 euros (RM17,000 to RM19,400). It weighs not more than 330kg and goes up to a top speed of 150km/h. Projected range is about between 160 to 320 km, depending on traffic conditions.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
1. Cheap car no good. What is the NCAP rating given the weight is approx. 1/3 of B segment car?</p>
<p>2. The range is too short, not practical.</p>
<p>3. Is it safe? &#8220;Tissue box on the wheel&#8221;. How about head on collision test?</p>
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		<title>By: xetronic</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142987</link>
		<dc:creator>xetronic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is funny...

the power you need to compress the air is more than the power to drive the car. saying no polution is just a marketing cheat.

when you compress the air, you also produce heat, which is wasted energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is funny&#8230;</p>
<p>the power you need to compress the air is more than the power to drive the car. saying no polution is just a marketing cheat.</p>
<p>when you compress the air, you also produce heat, which is wasted energy.</p>
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		<title>By: nmh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142984</link>
		<dc:creator>nmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it can fuel up at normal petrol station...at air pump that usually used to for tyre...slightly modified of course</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it can fuel up at normal petrol station&#8230;at air pump that usually used to for tyre&#8230;slightly modified of course</p>
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		<title>By: ganz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142979</link>
		<dc:creator>ganz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still remember way somewhere south in year OCT 2006, at Johore.
a claim on water based-driven car..
then what happen???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still remember way somewhere south in year OCT 2006, at Johore.<br />
a claim on water based-driven car..<br />
then what happen???</p>
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		<title>By: MyviKiller</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142968</link>
		<dc:creator>MyviKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean other manufacturers apart from Tata.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean other manufacturers apart from Tata.</p>
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		<title>By: MyviKiller</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142967</link>
		<dc:creator>MyviKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 06:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder why there aren&#039;t any manufacturers sponsoring the scientist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder why there aren&#8217;t any manufacturers sponsoring the scientist?</p>
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		<title>By: chap_de_x</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142961</link>
		<dc:creator>chap_de_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice r&amp;d....its not waste of money when we invest money for sake of knowledge and for future...if its run using air it must be very environmental friendly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice r&amp;d&#8230;.its not waste of money when we invest money for sake of knowledge and for future&#8230;if its run using air it must be very environmental friendly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gonggok</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142937</link>
		<dc:creator>gonggok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is power density. how much power can you store for a certain amount of weight and volume. Right now I don&#039;t think it comes close to Li-ion batteries. 

Carmakers that spend billions on RnD believe batteries and fuel cells are the way to go...Versus one frenchman and TATA - who&#039;s right? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is power density. how much power can you store for a certain amount of weight and volume. Right now I don&#8217;t think it comes close to Li-ion batteries. </p>
<p>Carmakers that spend billions on RnD believe batteries and fuel cells are the way to go&#8230;Versus one frenchman and TATA &#8211; who&#8217;s right? <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: yippi33</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142935</link>
		<dc:creator>yippi33</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow..never knew theres an air powered engine...what next?hydraulic engine?pressured water engine??high pressure can be achieved using water compared to air anyway...thats not a bad idea there..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow..never knew theres an air powered engine&#8230;what next?hydraulic engine?pressured water engine??high pressure can be achieved using water compared to air anyway&#8230;thats not a bad idea there..</p>
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		<title>By: armandd</title>
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		<dc:creator>armandd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since this car is so light yet relatively large, i think it will be blown away if it&#039;s caught in a crosswind, heheh..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since this car is so light yet relatively large, i think it will be blown away if it&#8217;s caught in a crosswind, heheh..</p>
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		<title>By: ezralimm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezralimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>330kg! &#039;=.=

It&#039;s like two motorcycles joined together.

The amount of energy needed to move it in the first place is much less than your typical 1ton car.

Definitely feasable. And much safer than a motorcycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>330kg! &#8216;=.=</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like two motorcycles joined together.</p>
<p>The amount of energy needed to move it in the first place is much less than your typical 1ton car.</p>
<p>Definitely feasable. And much safer than a motorcycle.</p>
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		<title>By: moto_moto</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142930</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the dissipated air come out of the exhaust must be high velocity. i think we can pump a belon at the tip of the exhaust.heheh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the dissipated air come out of the exhaust must be high velocity. i think we can pump a belon at the tip of the exhaust.heheh</p>
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		<title>By: moto_moto</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142928</link>
		<dc:creator>moto_moto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4G63T DSM, u sounded like a lecturer:) are u? anyway, its a good move by Tata. i hope it can be realize some day. give orang minyak pening kepala;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4G63T DSM, u sounded like a lecturer:) are u? anyway, its a good move by Tata. i hope it can be realize some day. give orang minyak pening kepala;)</p>
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		<title>By: wookie00</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142922</link>
		<dc:creator>wookie00</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The future of automobiles... don&#039;t know why car manufacturers keep pumping out petrol guzzling monsters that want to beat the speed trap sensors when they can invest in technologies like this and make the car comfortable and luxurious at the same time. TATA made the right move... imagine if India&#039;s vehicle population were to explode like China... wont&#039; be surprised if the oil shoots up to $200 in the near future.. $100 is old story. Least to say the oil might dry up in the next 50-60 years... faster if the developing and third world industrializing countries grow faster every year..... think about it.. we&#039;re drying up. We need to make use of abundant resources with existing technologies... not waste technologies on already depleting resources...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The future of automobiles&#8230; don&#8217;t know why car manufacturers keep pumping out petrol guzzling monsters that want to beat the speed trap sensors when they can invest in technologies like this and make the car comfortable and luxurious at the same time. TATA made the right move&#8230; imagine if India&#8217;s vehicle population were to explode like China&#8230; wont&#8217; be surprised if the oil shoots up to $200 in the near future.. $100 is old story. Least to say the oil might dry up in the next 50-60 years&#8230; faster if the developing and third world industrializing countries grow faster every year&#8230;.. think about it.. we&#8217;re drying up. We need to make use of abundant resources with existing technologies&#8230; not waste technologies on already depleting resources&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142918</link>
		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything, it would be more reliable than an internal combustion engine. Siince it creates no heat (other than the built in electric compressor). Heat kills everything.

If you use petrol to power an engine to compress air, you&#039;d multiply the energy loss. Besides, internal combustion petrol engines are notoriously inefficient.

farghmee said,
January 8, 2008 @ 9:29 am 

interesting  

but how reliable the system will be? i think those designers may have the answers for my enquiry, but let us share the inticipated will-be-problem.

*efficiency of the engine.
should be more efficient than an otto cycle engine

*cost of getting compressed air.
big question mark. You could always buy your own compressor and then calculate the electricity cost. I&#039;m sure someone can calculate how much it hp  to run a compressor at a certain CFM@pressure

*space to put the compressed air tank.

run smaller tanks at higher pressure...as I stated above. But you will need a special compressor...the fiber tanks that I have will hold 3800-4500psi and very light.


last but not least,
*performance of the engine.

Its difficult to compare to an internal combustion engine. Most ICE runs at 600+ psi internal pressure. This air engine will probably operate at lower pressures. Technically, you could run a normal 2 stroke ICE engine with high pressure compressed air, although its not as efficient.

But with 330kg to push around, it wont need a big &quot;engine&quot;. Besides, they are more efficient to start with. This thing is 1/2 the weight of a kancil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, it would be more reliable than an internal combustion engine. Siince it creates no heat (other than the built in electric compressor). Heat kills everything.</p>
<p>If you use petrol to power an engine to compress air, you&#8217;d multiply the energy loss. Besides, internal combustion petrol engines are notoriously inefficient.</p>
<p>farghmee said,<br />
January 8, 2008 @ 9:29 am </p>
<p>interesting  </p>
<p>but how reliable the system will be? i think those designers may have the answers for my enquiry, but let us share the inticipated will-be-problem.</p>
<p>*efficiency of the engine.<br />
should be more efficient than an otto cycle engine</p>
<p>*cost of getting compressed air.<br />
big question mark. You could always buy your own compressor and then calculate the electricity cost. I&#8217;m sure someone can calculate how much it hp  to run a compressor at a certain CFM@pressure</p>
<p>*space to put the compressed air tank.</p>
<p>run smaller tanks at higher pressure&#8230;as I stated above. But you will need a special compressor&#8230;the fiber tanks that I have will hold 3800-4500psi and very light.</p>
<p>last but not least,<br />
*performance of the engine.</p>
<p>Its difficult to compare to an internal combustion engine. Most ICE runs at 600+ psi internal pressure. This air engine will probably operate at lower pressures. Technically, you could run a normal 2 stroke ICE engine with high pressure compressed air, although its not as efficient.</p>
<p>But with 330kg to push around, it wont need a big &#8220;engine&#8221;. Besides, they are more efficient to start with. This thing is 1/2 the weight of a kancil.</p>
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		<title>By: farghmee</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142912</link>
		<dc:creator>farghmee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting :)

but how reliable the system will be? i think those designers may have the answers for my enquiry, but let us share the inticipated will-be-problem.
*efficiency of the engine.
*cost of getting compressed air.
*space to put the compressed air tank.
last but not least,
*performance of the engine.

i hope it is not a Perpetual Motion Machine (PMM) that deviates from Laws of Thermodynamics ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but how reliable the system will be? i think those designers may have the answers for my enquiry, but let us share the inticipated will-be-problem.<br />
*efficiency of the engine.<br />
*cost of getting compressed air.<br />
*space to put the compressed air tank.<br />
last but not least,<br />
*performance of the engine.</p>
<p>i hope it is not a Perpetual Motion Machine (PMM) that deviates from Laws of Thermodynamics <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: kjryth</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/01/08/tata-invests-in-car-powered-by-compressed-air/#comment-142911</link>
		<dc:creator>kjryth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still the compressors need a huge amount of energy, normally using electricity, so again will utilise petrol, unless more hydroelectricity generator are being built, at the expense of our green lush forests.. the amount of energy to comress air is maybe bigger than consumption of petrol engine itself...... we need something like from the Back to the future, where the DOC invents an energy source from thrash....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still the compressors need a huge amount of energy, normally using electricity, so again will utilise petrol, unless more hydroelectricity generator are being built, at the expense of our green lush forests.. the amount of energy to comress air is maybe bigger than consumption of petrol engine itself&#8230;&#8230; we need something like from the Back to the future, where the DOC invents an energy source from thrash&#8230;.</p>
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