dun joke lar bro… car figures must be specific. not being fussy. if everything round up like that i can say m3 0-60 in 4 seconds. thats not right.

If u round up the 0-60 sprint time, obviously it makes a lot of difference, many car makers are so determined to be at least 0.1sec faster than their rivals.

For power output rounding off, 417hp & 420hp do not post a significant difference between them as that 3 extra hp will get u what??? 0.001 secs faster and 1km/h more to the top speed???

If the power band curve graph is observed, the power output is not exactly directly proportional to the velocity.

king said,
January 18, 2008 @ 1:30 pm

no hard feeling mate, but thats how alot of ppl feel.
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k, man. feelings understood. Good comments thoughout our discussion though. And for the comments on honda-accord-sedan-test-drive-at-tochigi-rd post,… chill bro. The guy must be an amateur.

civic was never built to beat the 3 series n everyone knows that. but the IS-F was created to blow the E46 M3 away.

the power, torque, weight & engine config. of the IS-F is suspiciously too similar to the E39 M5.

no hard feeling mate, but thats how alot of ppl feel.

lamcy88 said,
January 17, 2008 @ 1:37 pm

Just for king’s info, IS-F is a 5.0 liter V8 with 420 hp & 500Nm.Thats 100 Nm short of the M3’s
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It is actually 416hp and 500Nm to be exact.

I’ll give you a hint why lexus is 10 yrs behind BMW…..think E39 M5 ( V8 5.0 Litre 400hp and 500Nm)….think again when was E39 M5 launched…

I don’t know about you but sounds like a lexus e39 M5 to me.

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When stating Lexus 420hp & 500Nm, it was a rounding off to the nearest hundredt. Didnt know king was fussy. More like a queen then.(cool bro, just joking)

Ok…Lets start with the real facts:
Lexus: 417hp, 503Nm
BMW:414hp, 400Nm

Next…How can u compare 2 cars with hp and Nm alone??? If this is the case,
lets compare the Civic 2.0S with the 320i:
320i:150 hp, 200Nm
Civic:155 hp, 190Nm

Does this mean that the Civic is better than the BMW???Didnt think so.

Lets wait for the GS-F to compare with the BMW M5 then…

Just for king’s info, IS-F is a 5.0 liter V8 with 420 hp & 500Nm.Thats 100 Nm short of the M3’s
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It is actually 416hp and 500Nm to be exact.

I’ll give you a hint why lexus is 10 yrs behind BMW…..think E39 M5 ( V8 5.0 Litre 400hp and 500Nm)….think again when was E39 M5 launched…

I don’t know about you but sounds like a lexus e39 M5 to me.

Germans out there, be careful!!! king has a crush on you.

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such a lame joke. is that related to your name? just kidding…don’t take it personally.

if you want to know the facts just check out with with lexus insiders.

quite tired to elaborate more….don’t be lazy n do some research yourself, ok?

peace to you too

& so ‘the king’ said:
why is lexus more reliable/ lower maintenance? bcoz technology wise it is 5 yrs behind merc n 10 yrs behind BMW. isn’t an iswara more reliable than a ferrari?

Looks like someone has been ‘working with the Germans’ & how real is this fact???And comparing a bicycle to a car???Oh, man(Sigh…)

The reason why BMW & Mercs are selling more than Lexus is because Lexus is still a new company whereby the Germans has been around since God know’s when.You can’t expect a baby to run after a few months of birth.

Lexus is actually so good in its sales volume given it’s setbacks, it can be compared to a ‘baby jogging’(just adding a litlle metafore).

But a bicycle with a car and an Iswara with a Ferrari?…Hahahahahah.

U r a real funny chap, king.

Peace to u 2, man.

MisterBenjo, which is why bmw still outsells lexus in malaysia by a huge margin.

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If you do some research you will find BMW out-sell even merc worldwide recently. while merc sells more than double of lexus worldwide. lexus only sell well in the US where its easy to fool americans. look at how lousy are their muscle cars.

if you read out more you will know how much profit lexus make per car. Eg. u pay 600k for this car probably u get “400k worth” of car…the rest is profit.

where else for BMW u pay 500k u get 480k worth….since BMW spend back most of their profit back into R&D.

why is lexus more reliable/ lower maintenance? bcoz technology wise it is 5 yrs behind merc n 10 yrs behind BMW. isn’t an iswara more reliable than a ferrari? of course bcos there are so little parts that can fail only and they have been making the same car for over 20 yrs. a bicycle is the most reliable/ lowest maintenence.

10 yrs ago merc was like lexus today….their cars solid, simple and super reliable. what happen when they start upgrading their car’s overall tech? w220 s-class notorious for fragile airmatic suspension. w210 e-class face many electronic probs. they had to take a step back so that they can move forward. just like when merc 1st introduced the abs nearly 30 yrs ago.

lexus only play safe n let rivals experiment while they copy later on. what did lexus pioneer? optitron meter display? oscillating air cond vents? 8-speed gearbox? ( gosh even F1 car already optimum at 7 speed….do you need 8 speed? )

Buy a merc if you like comfort, prestige. Buy a Beemer if you enjoy driving & can appreciate the engineering excellence. Buy a lexus if u want good after sales service n lower maintenence cost….like that better just buy a camry.

Peace

lexus is a better car than bmw

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only for ppl that don’t know better about cars.

Lexus is only a toyota with an expensive badge

Those things you never forget….especially since making a fool of oneself spending a good considerable time finding the side mirror controls.