New Proton Saga Launch and Test Drive Report

New Proton Saga - Front 3/4

This is probably the most anticipated car in the history that I have had this blog running, the car that will mark the retirement of the old Proton Saga and mark the beginning of a new saga in the history of Proton. It is what both we and Proton call “the People’s Car”.

It is the car that signifies Proton is going back to the basics and fulfilling its responsibility as the national car manufacturer to actually produce national cars that the majority of the people actually need – a cheap, economical run-about car with a sedan bodystyle.

That car is the new second generation 2008 Proton Saga, known to us for the past few months as the Proton BLM.

New Proton Saga - rear three quarter

As most of you should know by now, the new Proton Saga was engineered from the Proton Savvy’s platform, by a team that was led by Proton engineers together with external consultants, including LG CNS. It was developed in a record period of 17 months from the design freeze stage to the SOP stage. It was designed to be a simple, affordable and practical entry level sedan. You could call it the people’s car if you wish, something the original Volkswagen Beetle was a long time ago.

Proton decided to do away with any attempts at making this car “different”, from the beginning it was decided that its design was to be smart and simple. The front features a hexagonal mesh front grille, swept-back headlamps, and prominent lower air intakes on the bumper, while the rear of the car features wraparound crystal cluster lights and a concave boot lid. From the side you can see prominent wheel arches, which give the car a sportier look.

Thankfully, there are no design quirkiness to be seen, and the car lacks the typical hatch turned sedan awkward look that the Suzuki Swift Sedan and the Nissan Latio have.

For a small sedan like the Saga, what many will be looking at is how much interior space it has. So let’s have a look at how the new Proton fares in that area.

New Proton Saga - Interior Table

New Proton Saga - Exterior Dimensions Table

The new Proton Saga is bigger than its predecessor in pretty much every way possible. You’ll probably be able to guess what cars Competitor M and Competitor V are. Numbers are good, but they remain just figures on a piece of paper until you actually try getting into the car.

New Proton Saga - Shannon in the back seat
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Here we have regular PAULTAN.ORG contributor Shannon Teoh in the rear seat of the car. You can see clearly the legroom and headroom available to the rear passenger – surprisingly good! The only concern would be the width of the car, it is narrower but acceptable given that this is a small B-segment sedan.

Either 2 adults or 3 children will sit comfortably in the rear bench, and there are seatbelts for 3 people, so if the government enforces the rear seatbelt rule anytime soon, the Proton Saga will be ready for it.

New Proton Saga - Dashboard
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Interior conveniences include two cupholders in the front, one cupholder in the rear, an open storage compartment where the passenger airbag would be expected to be, a glove compartment, two rear bottle holders, door pockets on each door, seatback pockets, a 1-DIN storage area below the 1-DIN CD player, and finally a little compartment just below the steering wheel column.

Power outletThe Proton Saga has a standard car power outlet socket positioned at a 90 degree horizontal angle just below the air conditioning controls. This might cause a problem with some of the longer devices that you might want to insert into the socket, like mobile phone chargers and etc, as it might get into the way of the gear lever. If you have drinks in the front cupholders, these might obstruct the power outlet as well.

The air conditioning controls themselves (click image on the left to enlarge) are very simple and intuitively designed. This is an improvement over the Proton Persona’s air conditioning controls where the temperature dial was somewhat confusing. Previously readers who have seen the dials have said they look like they were recycled from the old Mitsubishi-generation Protons, but these are new stepped dials. I’m not sure what the proper term is, but it means that when you twist the dial, you feel feedback from the dials, they “click” from setting to setting, while the old dials in the Saga/Iswara/Satria/Wira were stepless, you just twisted them around and they don’t give any feedback as to whether you’ve actually achieved anything or not.

The only stepless dial is the one where you control whether the air conditioning system recirculates the air or takes in fresh air from outside. This has been made into a dial instead of a button of sorts because the control actually requires the action of you twisting the knob to close the external air intake vent – basically its a manual system.

Proton Saga Air Conditioning Vents

The air conditioning vents integrate angle and open/close functions in a single action, much like the ones on the Satria Neo. The dashboard plastics do not fall into the soft touch category, but Proton has added texture so that they do not look or feel cheap, and I appreciate that thought. I do not really have a problem with the plastics. The stepped dials and switches do not have a cheap feel to them, and all of them provide feedback as to whether you’ve actually pressed them, which is an improvement over the Persona’s feedbackless dashboard buttons.

The switches, knobs and dials are all placed in intuitive positions. My only issue with the interior is not something major. It’s just that Proton does not seem to have a standard Human Interface Design template for their interiors. A little button with a dot on it activates the central locking system in the Proton Persona, but the same button in the Saga is used to deactivate the alarm system! The same design, but different meanings in different cars. This will have to change in the next generation of cars.

Proton Saga Clarion Head Unit

Audio is provided by a single CD Clarion head unit, and either 2 speakers for the N-Line and B-Line, or 4 speakers for the M-Line. The silver head unit lights up with red backlighting, matching the rest of the car.

I wish Proton has specified to Clarion that the volume knob be on the right side of the head unit instead of on the left, as this is a right hand drive market. If you notice, the Clarion 2-DIN head unit used in the Mitsubishi-generation Protons and the Waja had the volume knob on the right. Nevertheless, the audio output through the speakers was rather decent, but being a 1-DIN unit there will be many who will swap everything out for their own custom ICE setup.

I am not completely sure, but I reckon that if you take out the 1-DIN storage compartment module from below the 1-DIN head unit, you’ll probably be able to install a 2-DIN unit.

New Proton Saga - Dashboard
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The picture above shows how the front passenger area of the Proton Saga would typically be looking like. The passenger’s legs are in the photo to let you judge the interior width of the car better. The driving position for both the manual and automatic versions were decent without issues.

Proton Saga Manual ShifterFor the manual version, the clutch pedal was adequately spaced away from the brake and accelerator pedals, unlike some previous Protons. The automatic shifter uses the P-R-N-D-3-2-L shift pattern – no shiftronic-like features here.

The manual shifter is really something I’ve never seen before! The shift lever is so tall and the shift throw is rather long. The high position of the shift knob shortens the distance your hand has to travel from steering wheel to shifter, so many it was intentional. The lever’s free play both in neutral and in gear was also quite noticable, and it all reminded me of a pickup truck’s manual shift lever, although the lever did not vibrate like how a pick up truck’s normally would. Shifts felt rubbery and disconnected, not very fun but nevertheless it gets the job done.

Clutch engagement and disengagement for the manual transmission happens quite far into the clutch release. It should be quite safe if you accidentally shift without pressing the clutch pedal to the very deepest, as somewhere past mid point the clutch would have already fully disengaged.

New Proton Saga - Engine Bay
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On to the new Proton Saga’s best kept secret. The new 1.3 litre Campro IAFM engine. Let’s get to the low down on whats changed since the last iteration of the Campro 1.3 found in the Proton Satria Neo. Firstly, the manual gearbox that comes with this engine is now sourced from Aichi Kikai instead of Mitsubishi, which Proton engineers say allows them greater flexibility in specifying gear ratios, something that Mitsubishi did not provide.

Next, the engine has an Integrated Air Fuel Module which integrates a variable length intake manifold system. I will not go into lengths explaining what a variable length intake manifold system is since I have already done that before (click here to read).

The electrical system has also been updated. Ignition now uses coil-on-plug ignition, which eliminates spark plug cables from the ignition system. This eliminates some power losses caused by spark plug cables. The starter is now of a smaller physical size, but has a bigger capacity. If you listen to how this Campro IAFM 1.3 engine starts compared to the Campro 1.3 in the Satria Neo, you can hear the difference. Think of how the Perdana V6 sounds like when it starts.

The Campro IAFM engine keeps the Campro 1.3’s 94 horsepower at 6,000rpm and 120Nm of torque at 4,000rpm figures, with changes only to the way the power and torque is delivered instead of any change in the peak power and torque. Proton’s dyno tests of the new Campro IAFM engine reveals power ratings of up to 98 horsepower is achievable, but Proton prefers to publish the power figures in brochures at 94 horses for some reason, perhaps for consistency sake as not all engines may be able to achieve the 98 horses figure.

New Proton Saga - torque

As you can see from the scanned dyno chart comparison above, the original Campro 1.3 was making slightly more than its 120Nm rated torque at peaks, but there are some serious dips in torque in the low to mid rev ranges. The new Campro 1.3 with the IAFM module has a very different torque curve. Its peak torque is lower, but still achieves the 120Nm target. There is also more torque between 2,800rpm and 4,000rpm.

I am happy to report that with my brief Proton Saga review test drive around Cyberjaya there is no annoying torque dip with the new Campro engine now, but nevertheless it still did not feel particularly torquey at low to medium revs. One would expect a VIM system to provide stronger than usual low end torque, but I guess in this case the VIM only manages to fix the Campro’s naturally bad torque curve.

Throttle response still leaves a little to be wanting – the engine is slightly slow to come on and slow to taper off when responding to throttle movements – nothing dangerous but it can be noticed. The laggy throttle response is why you sometimes have a little throttle blip when you shift gears on the Campro, whats happening is the throttle still continues to be open when you’ve lifted your foot off the accelerator pedal and disengaged the clutch, so the result is a little blip.

Proton quotes expected fuel economy for the manual model to be 6 litres per 100km, and 6.3 litres per 100km for the automatic model, at a constant speed of 90km/h.

New Proton Saga - Panning
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Ride and handling is not the typical feel you would expect from a Proton. While the Persona has very decent handling for a 4 door family sedan, the ride comfort for this new second generation Proton Saga is good, but unfortunately the body roll angle is rather significant! However, the roll rate is at an acceptable rate so the roll is not overly uncomfortable during normal driving. Go abit aggressive and the rear passengers can be thrown about. What makes it worse is the lack of any rear assist grips to hold on to, even though it looks like there are mounting points for the grips!

The seats are your average baseline sedan seats – only the Nissan Latio excels in this area with their oversized seats. We did not drive very far so at the moment we can’t really tell if they are comfortable during long journeys or not. The rear bench does not do the whole split-fold-down thing, so this will be a concern for those who want to carry long things often, that require the sedan’s boot length to be extended to within the cabin.

Proton Saga Rear Window

The rear windows do not go down fully. I discovered this when I got into the back seat of the Saga so I could stick my head and camera out and take moving shots of the car while we were on our test laps around Putrajaya. The window only came down about two thirds of the way – there was no way I could stuff my head out that.

The new Proton Saga uses a MacPherson strut suspension at the front, and a torsion beam suspension at the rear. These suspension bits were based off the Savvy but tweaked to suit the new car. The front has a lower spring rate, while the rear has a higher spring rate to compensate for the heavier boot. There is a front stabilier bar directly connected to the damper body instead of the lower control arm.

Tyres are 13 inch steel wheels wrapped with 175/70R13 tyres for the N-Line and B-Line models, and 14 inch alloys wrapped with 185/60R14 tyres for the M-Line model. Brakes are 13 inch ventilated discs at the front, and 7 inch drums at the rear. The M-Line has a single driver’s airbag, but none of the line-up has ABS brakes. The boot is a decent 413 litres and comes with a full sized steel spare tyre.

Fitting its purpose as a family car, the new Saga comes with child lock functions for the rear doors. All models also have central locking, but the N-Line does not have an alarm or remote activation of the central locking.

New Proton Saga - Features
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I think the new Proton Saga is a great little family car, with an amazingly adequate interior space that can fit 4 people comfortably, or 5 people if you must. There are a little issues here and there that make me unhappy, for example the central locking knobs are very hard knobs with a small diameter. The small diameter hurts your finger when you press it down to lock the door.

But I can live with all of this, and most people would not even notice the small little details I’ve pointed out in this article.

The car drives well and handles like a Savvy with a softer suspension, the Campro’s annoying torque dip is gone, the interior is decent with good legroom and headroom, and a 1.3 litre engine should prove to be fuel economical. People, this is your car!

The only thing that worries me is that Proton’s assembly line still seems to be a hit or miss affair, I have a friend with a perfect Proton Satria Neo, while some others find that they’ve mistakenly purchased moving aquariums with failing power windows. I hope Proton will continue to improve on their QC efforts.

The aftermarket industry should quickly look into designing sportier springs, anti-roll bars, and a short shifter for this car, as I believe these will really be in demand for those who wish for a more engaging drive from their economical buy.

Proton Saga N-Line Manual – RM31,500
Proton Saga B-Line Manual – RM34,998
Proton Saga B-Line Auto – RM37,998
Proton Saga M-Line Manual – RM37,498
Proton Saga M-Line Auto – RM39,998

It is available in 7 colours – Metallic Black, Granite Grey, Solid White, Genetic Silver, Chili Red, Mountain Blue, and Zircon Green.

Proton Saga Colours

Please post any questions in the comments if you want to know more about the car. I will try my best to answer with whatever I remember of the car from the short media test drive we had on Monday.

Please enjoy the following additional photos:

Proton Saga Lineup

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Chili Red

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Chili Red

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Metallic Black

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B-Line Genetic Silver, with N-Line Solid White in background

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Mountain Blue

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N-Line Solid White

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Zircon Green

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After dabbling for years in the IT industry, Paul Tan initially began this site as a general blog covering various topics of personal interest. With an increasing number of readers paying rapt attention to the motoring stories, one thing led to another and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

Comments

  • Jing (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    FIRST!!!

    Would love to test drive it someday. Might be my very first car!

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    • it’s ok but the price is a bit higher for this model. hope to review the price and pls compare with others country cars. If the car sales in malaysia always is expensive and low quality. u believe or not the models export to oversea always the quality will better than here, why this happen? do the proton knows that we malaysians also human being where need beter quality cars. think about it

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  • zet_ex (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    w0w..very cute car

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  • IsaacVky (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    GOOD

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  • want_diy (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    Third!!!..hehe….cool~~

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  • Xoomie (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    not a bad looker

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  • myst (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Looll..Forgot to sign in 1st…If Not i’ll b da 1st to comment..Huhu

    Bravo Proton..

    ‘Proton Basher’..Any words ?

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  • @lfarieza (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    cool…just saw the launching at TV1 just now…am going to have a look tonight at the nearet showroom…

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  • fable_faiz (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:40 pm

    good job proton!!

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  • volks2 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    well done, Proton!!!
    will consider to buy one after real view of it.

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  • jared323f (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    I bought one.!!!!

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  • zarieq (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    fourth..damn..

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  • w_lighter (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Did you ask whether the new IAFM cant be fitted to the current campro thts already out there on the streets?

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  • hctiu (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    WAH

    Very NICE CAR !

    Interior is cool too ! :D

    Unfortunately, only the most expensive variant has the front fog lamps, seat height adjuster, reverse sensor, and electric door mirror and alloy rims :)

    HAI… disappointed

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  • zidane (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    good….

    but i hate body roll….

    but no car is perfect…

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  • ganz (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    at last… on 18th january 2008..

    congratulation.. 2morow gonna see it with myy own eye at mutiara damansara..

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  • Capt Shopalot (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Let keep finger cross

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    very long gear stick..how about the seat..suitable for long journey?

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  • aris6076 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    My First Impression WOW!!!! Will make a point to Proton Edar Showroom Tonite – My wife already planning her new set of wheels. May this is it

    Another WOW!!! From me…. or rather US

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  • loquitor (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    stylishhhh! fu yohh!

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  • Peanuts (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Looks good! Might be interested in getting this car!

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  • san_j (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    I like d meter cluster…

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  • shaif (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Thanks paul, since I live far from the city, your blog cover some of my question without any need to go to the showroom. Perhaps some of the question best answered in the showroom itself. Anyway this is a great blog and I never fail to read anything you post here especially if I’m looking for a new car.

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  • cole planet (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Damn… i have to say that this is a damn good car… this is real economical family car… and it look so good… look like proton have make us proud at last… bravo proton!

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  • farmcow (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    nice…the standard of ‘our’ car is getting better…..well done !

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  • wheregotcar (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    wahh.. i must hand it to you Paul. published on 5.30pm on the dot! impress.. impress..

    actually, im currently at Proton COE showroom rite now. as i mentioned in other threat, a family member already made bookings for this baby.

    wow, it’s definitely worth it! it looks waaaayyy better in real. every body was ‘ohh and ahhh’ing.. very funny if you tell me. since im only there as an observer, more than once strangers come up to me and ask my opinion on the colors, features etc (perhaps thinking ill be impartial or they jz need a 3rd opinion, but i think their minds are rather set on buying). you’ll be surprised how solid color can also look so good. i personally like the granite grey one, kinda sleek looking

    im not in liberty to buy another sedan, im saving my pretty pennies for my future sports car. but then i can tell you straight up its hard to keep your cool looking at those babies. to future SAGA owners, congratulations. hope sumbody would give me a ride soon!

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  • Hikaru (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    Atleast it has decent looks and not something which is bold and out of ordinary. Perhaps this is really what the people really want.

    The dials still look like they were from an old wira. To save costs, there must be some ingenuity.

    Paul, what about the issue of quality? Are gonna get what we paid for? Or much lesser? Kindly enlighten us.

    Word of caution to buyers. Proton still needs time to sort out their issues. People who rush to buy it will be proton’s guinea pig. Don’t say u are not warned though it is very tempting.

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  • antaras (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Goddammit! This car is freakin UGLY… hehehe… NOT~

    Seriously… from the first look, it’s not bad at all! It’s very possitive. The interior looks good. They are playing safe eh. hehe… Anyway, with this pricing, “car V” and “car M” will be having a tough time. lol~

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  • wsoonlye (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    u r great Proton….Excellent..

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  • zane (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    twelfth!!hahahaha

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  • zeucx (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    great car man! i like the price.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    X L N,

    paul ,
    is it not too overly exegerated if i say,
    its a bit of french car ride quality, (comfort tuned)

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    The part that shocked me was about the handling. But I assume it is still better than iswara right?

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Paul it will be great if you can do comparisons between this New Saga and the old one. Like in pick up feel, comfort, interior is narrower than the old saga? thos kind of stuff.

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  • White Jack (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Too late to book now… the waiting list already very very long :)

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    looks good. surprisingly good for a car with such dimentions.

    It’s easy to imagine similar design cues on future proton models such as the perdana replacement or MPV.

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  • torishimeyakuin (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Kudos to Paul Tan for his kind report and congratulation to Proton for the resurrection of its new Saga…at last.

    So ladies and gentlemen, the car is already there. I am looking forward to your feedbacks, compliments, grouses, complaints and everything about the car. It’s all yours now. Let the party begins !!

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  • pda_O2 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    nice headlight….

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  • kevyeoh (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    with the pricing… can’t complain much dee…
    the exterior looks nice… very nice indeed… interior..have to see it in person to feel it it’s cheap or not… although paul did mention on something being done on the surface…

    all in all, for the first time, we can classify this car as cheap and probably good?

    hehe

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  • chap_de_x (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    a very very good looking car seriously…decent stylish base line model i ever seen…good expansion job from savvy platform…p1 doing great job then those jap…no awkward look in this car…simple interior design but i bet it will functional well…i like those meter panel…a spacious car from what i see…good job…i think theres more to come from this new saga…high line is not introduce yet..i think the high line wait for its own campro cps+VIM to be fitted on it…mayb it will come with more feature on its interior plus some R3 bodykit…hahaha good job p1 g luck BLM…gonna see it personally at showroom ASAP

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    freeze said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 6:02 pm

    Paul it will be great if you can do comparisons between this New Saga and the old one. Like in pick up feel, comfort, interior is narrower than the old saga? thos kind of stuff.
    ————————–

    table given up there.

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  • shamel (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Cool exterior design, same thing I can’t say for interior. P2 Viva will never selling well after this as it used to be. My opinion.

    BTW manual stick quite fugly. I’m no P1 basher please, mere sincere comment from a citizen.

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  • nobodyatuk (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    The overall design is very nice, waaayyy better than the Logan. By the way, how is the all round drivers view?, seems the front pillar is abit wide and obstructing. Any plan for a track day event Paul? Love to see what this baby can really do. Recaro seats, anyone?

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  • drebar (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    wow.. good job proton!! a good product really! and superb pricing. for the first time in history, the rakyat do not feel cheated by a glc ! congrats proton..

    i would like to offer myself to represent perodua to announce the stopping production of perodua viva… hahahahaha… :P

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  • Q-CAR (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    going to see it tonite.my wife says is quite interested.may be buying.if only i can sell her jeep 1st.
    headache…

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  • adrian yap (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    over all looks good

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  • adrian yap (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    over all look tidy finising.

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  • shadow (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    oh yeah…………the new saga really look cool
    drebar , i agree wat u say,stop to produce viva …………wakaka
    P2 viva ,a loser of proon saga ……….
    i cant wait to see the the new perdana will be wat look,
    but i think it will very very very cool……….

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    at last!! the moment of truth!!
    hooray!! my baby is out!!!
    gonna enjoy driving it!!
    thnks a lot paul for this great masterpiece of urs!!
    bravo Proton!!!

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  • calwinsingh (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    =) GREAT suprise…. i like it…. looks simple yet stylish… improvements in its performance… Good job Proton…

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  • bl4ck (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    how it would ‘taste’ oh if u put 15/16 inch sport rim, apexi safc? hehehe.

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  • vandenlye (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    so…

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    really great style IMO..
    i really like the front..
    but still a cool car and my desire to buy Car M has vanished and SAGA come into my mind..
    considering the long Q for booking, I will wait for the high line.. maybe they insert the campro CPS but will it fit..
    just wait and see..

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  • micwin1437 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    perodua will have less sales…..

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    brilliant dashboard texture, really dampen the reflectivity,

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  • DeyChitPooodah (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    bl4ck said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 6:41 pm
    how it would ‘taste’ oh if u put 15/16 inch sport rim, apexi safc? hehehe.
    ______________________
    will taste slightly like this, huhu!: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2048/2187349626_47677fac06_o.jpg

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  • facelift (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    What I like: the look from behind, boot space, cup holder at the back door.

    What I don’t like: only the high line got the small compartment behind the driver and passenger seat (other only have behind passenger seat, I wonder why).

    crash test only got 3 star. I expect it will got 4.

    still hard to see the behind when reverse.

    quality no better than viva.

    conclusion: never regret I got a myvi. :)

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  • fadzlizuka (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    arghhh showroom is crowded… will come back tomorrow to look for this car.
    saw the launch via internet streaming @ office.. it look nice, let see tomorrow if it feel better.

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  • fadzlizuka (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    and BTW paul tan, bravo and well done for the coverage :)

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  • ilmondo (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    well done proton!
    proton had been doin their homework nicely!
    well, for an econo-car like dis, we dont expect much detailing like button feel, touch and so on. its pretty decent. hope tat r3 division will sort out the throttle issues as well as the suspension issue. i’m sure dis car will look gempak wit nice r3 aerokit! havent seen the car tho..

    anyway.. its really good to c the road flooded(hopefully soon) with a car like dis! proper safety, decent economy, etc… goodluck with ur future models!

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  • albagmane (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    wow… this car seems strong and i doubt the competition from myvi le… its good to know tat proton finally comes out with “the people’s car”… nice brilliant move!

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  • not so sure (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    not really sure bout this….just wait n see ar…..
    persona being a hot babies just for one month…after that?…
    see that?….and think by yourself la

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  • nanashisan (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    mmm.. from motortrader review, the 1.3L campro IAFM has 98hp and 113.2Nm which contradict to your review. now im not sure which one is the corrent engine spec. care to expain us, paul??

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  • not so sure (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    bole la…quite impressing for our national car maker

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  • VPowerRacing (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    sure sell like hot cake…maybe it will set the highest sales record…n hold it for
    a very long time…b4 other car makers able to beat it..well done to the
    engineers..a job done well…

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  • farghmee (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    just back from launching at KLCC.

    THIS CAR ROCKS!

    about 7 cars of different specs were shown.

    IMO white color suits me :)
    plastics feel good
    the drag coefficient, Cd, same as savvy
    galvanised steel is used
    frankly speaking, Viva is just an overpriced car!

    apart from “makan2”, we managed to get know
    that a 7-seater mpv will come insyaAllah.

    for those who wish to have a sporty look saga,
    u can fit 17inch OZ rim, leather seat,
    smoked headlamp, side skirts,
    scaled-down evo spoiler at the back.
    it’s not my idea, but was shown there by RED
    (a department sort of), in eye catching red chinese color,
    with black colored roof.

    who want their VW if we can have our own VW ?(Volks=people, Wagon=car)

    Viel Glück Proton!

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  • ob8 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    a good looking car imo. interior looks modern. with enhance engine. i expect built quality to improve or potong zaka this proton saga

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Seen the car this afternoon, it was rather stylish and elegant. Now lets hope the quality of the car won’t dissapoint us!!!

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  • ilmondo (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    with lotus, i hope that r3/RED or wateva division will make a sporty variant of saga and savvy that benchmark the legendary peugeot 205gti or the original mk1 golf gti for its purity in handling. juz dream..

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    cant wait to see the look on my fren’s face…. sure she is regreting for buying myvi now n cant wait to show of to other teachers in school who bought viva
    sure lepas ni…’viva gone forever’!!!
    hahahah

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  • BW (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    hmmmm not bad le the looks and everything… But Paul, to you, Persona or the new Saga is better? ride comfort built quality and etc….?

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Paul Tan boleh!!! Thanks anyway.

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  • scudz (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    Finally some commendable efforts from Proton.. Hope they’ll keep it up..

    Even tho I ain’t in the market for a new car, I’ll still be goin for a lookie at the dealership to see how good this new “people’s car” really is…

    Thx Paul for the quick coverage! Great write-up as always!

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    The front part looks like Fiat Panda, cool…

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  • payjoel (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    hahaaaa..mari mari..all of us buy one, then we can create new proton saga car club..can make alot of money tooo..hahah mari mari mari!!!

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  • neurra (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:07 pm

    congratz proton.. finally u’ve made it.. can’t wait to test drive this car

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  • BW (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Paul your blog is on the news!!! Here’s the link…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82f8O2u-lRo&feature=related

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    gosh.. this blog is like a chatroom! i got hooked and had been following ever since day one i browse it.. me newbie but feels like family liao! lol .. am loving this new saga baby alredi! if got saga club can me and my old babe megavalve saga join arrrr ;)

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  • cecibo (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Clean design…but not a big WOWW it’s just a normal car, not excited, not bother to look it, but congrats Proton for your new products.

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  • acbc (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    I’ll wait and see whose power windows will fail this time… my bro’s 2007 Gen2 failed twice last year and now it is starting to fail again. Bah, back to Proton again.

    While replacement is free for 3 years, it is the time wasted to get it replaced at the service centre.

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  • vliam (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Saga R3 anyone?

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  • ady (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Thumb up for P1
    good job

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  • gtmaniac (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    After 22 years, at last, the old Saga can rest in peace.

    At one glance, non-motoring enthisuast will find it hard to believe this SAGA was based from Savvy, unless you put them side-by-side.

    No airbag/s is not really an issue for me..at least I have the option to put a 4-spoke Momo later on. And, hey, even the base model got power steering & central lock!

    Paul,

    From your review you wrote the shift pattern is P-R-N-D-2-L, but from the pic it looks like it is P-R-N-D-3-2-L.

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  • ront (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    the long stick shifter does look rather odd….let’s hope it can withstand prolonged use and the moment exerted on it.

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  • wong (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Already see this car in the showroom, well looks much better than in the pictures and overall it’s a nice looking sedan and simple, any way not planning to buy a new car so soon….don’t mind buying this one in future…

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  • Dogster (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    Paul:
    How would you rate this car overall on a scale of say 1-10,
    1 being a pile of rubbish to 10 drives like a Ferrari 430 Scuderia?

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  • vorchex (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    i just got back from the showroom, the car is so niceeeee. harap2 loan cepat approve. so slowla bank nih!! im petite. but i dont feel small sitting in the driver seat. i used to cuak, kot2 the car might be too big for me like my father’s iswara. unfortunately dia takde tray under the seat like the perodua. and it has big boots :) the seat is comfortable, not like the gen 2. tp td tengok getah kat tepi boot dia tuh dah tercabut. org2 yg gi tgk showroom tuh ganas2 betullll. nway, i still like the car :) my first ever car :)

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  • feez98 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    mmmm, nice… Audi A4 front facelift + Merc C class tail lights… Good job Proton…

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  • abtm (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    i sometimes drive my work car, a Land Cruiser 70 pickup with a gearstick as long as the saga and it feels lazy and imprecise compared to my daily transport, a manual AE101corolla. one of the reasons ppl buy a small manual is for the sweet and tacticle gearchange feel when you shift. from this review, it seems that this car is underdeveloped, although the interior is the best i’ve seen from a proton- and you can’t really argue with performance with this money. oh and the N-line version looks like a commercial vehicle- wheels too small

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  • hypermount (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Long gearstick is the norm nowdays, a common feature in race/track cars. An ergonomic feature for our hand to shift from steering wheel to gearstick in shorter time. Short gear stick is a thing past just like found in Savvy MT. Paddle shifters totally eliminates the need to take our hands off the steering. 2 hands on steering wheel is important for us to have total control on our car during race.

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  • painsama (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    Just came back from proton showroom. Too bad that I’ve bought the merdeka saga 6 months ago. This new saga is such a nice looking car. What I like most about this car are the steering which is like the one in satria neo (without the buttons), the overall exterior design and the taillights, which is very nice looking too. But, what I don’t like about this car is the plastic looking handbrake, and for me the old saga’s handbrake looks better though. Otherwise, this is such a very desirable car for that price tag.

    (um after all registered to this site just to compliment the new saga…)

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  • ICER (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    No bad ar…
    But have to see the Real SAGA 1st

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    hi all, me a newbie, hooked on paultan’s blog ever since first time saw it, this place is even faster than a chatroom, really freaking awesome lolz.. am loving the new saga baby alredi! if got saga club can me and my old babe megavalve saga join arrrr.. til i upgrade to new gen saga! ;)

    hmmm.. wonder why is BigFish now… hehe

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    Congratulation and thanks Paul Tan for the good review of the new Proton Saga. Congratulation to Proton and all the best in future and come out even more exciting and better products.

    Well, I haven’t go to showroom as there were so many people at two of the Proton showrooms which I passed by after work. Tomorrow sure will go to see the Saga. For now, I kinda dislike the long manual gear shifter.

    Paul, may I know what is the drag coefficient (cd) of this Saga and do you have any crash test photos for this Saga or you can just stated its rating. Thanks a lot.

    The People’s car Award 2008 and People Car Choice Award 2008 goes to Proton Saga!! hahaha…. just to hit up the party!!

    Happy Motoring.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    As usual, so many congratulatory and patriotic statements. .Not least the Proton salesman talk this good and that good ……

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  • MisterBenjo (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    i cannot resist this car but cannot afford to buy a new car….how?pity me..uhuhuhe

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  • maxtek (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    I really wish to personally congratulate Proton, especially Mr. Syed Zainal Abidin. They’ve done such a wonderful job bringing Proton back in the black!

    I think this will sell better than their own Persona, in terms of price.

    The one thing that I am most happy for Proton is the design, NO MORE SH*TTY SAVVY DESIGN!!! Everything looks so stylish now, including the nice interior, which is a step up from the previous cars, even the Persona’s remake seem to look bad next to the new Saga’s!

    Welcome back Saga, and more importantly, Proton.

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  • moha774 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    cant wait to see Proton’s MPV… should be better than this… not in the market for sedan

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  • kei9 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    The best comments i’ve seen on proton cars in decades!!!

    Great job Proton. Hope to have lots of new models after this :) .

    Gonna photoshop bodykit renderings after this . ;)

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Thank to PT for good write up which is very informative but not exhaustive.
    ——–
    “Please post any questions in the comments if you want to know more about the car.”
    ———
    I visited the Proton showroom opposite IOI Mall. And there are two new Saga on display, come with black and white.

    Paul, hope you can answer this question: –

    1. Conventional design have 2 piece window, old Saga, first Kancil, Mercs S class, Waja, Persona, or any other car all have small triangle fix piece + windable rectangular piece.

    2. From my “inspection” on rear window. I am in the opinion that the BIGGEST FLAW and BLUNT BIG MISTAKE for this car is the rear window come with one big single wind able rectangular piece.

    3. I try to wind down manually for the white and black color. I managed to wind down all 4 windows but lower down approximately 2/3 of the opening only (so eliminated my doubt on faulty/malfunction window). Looking at the car and photo in your blog, side view, red color), the one big piece window extends to the top of handle. Logical explanation is this piece can wind down to up to top of tyre or bumper level only. Thus, the big piece is unable to fully wind down for full opening.

    4. Asked the sales girl for explanation, she was “kelam-kabut” without any answer but just try to wind down the window. Ask another salesman, his answer is “biasalah”, “oh yah, this window design to open 2/3 simply because survey show people tend not to fully open the window and to prevent children from coming out.” For me, no answer from the salesgirl is better than the salesman “freak talk”.

    5. The above is not as what defender described as “ad honimem” argument, but through proper observation and hand on to check it. Anyone go to showroom can do it themselves to satisfy that what I said is factually correct.

    6. I don’t think it is part of child lock system – “Fitting its purpose as a family car, the new Proton Saga comes with child lock functions for the rear doors”.

    Care to explain, not only from Paul, but anyone, be it Proton engineer, defender, bashers, etc. Care to share the information.

    Thank you in advance for any objective explanation.

    Paul says: hey, thank you very much for reminding me of this. i did notice this and even took a photo of it to blog, but somehow i forgot to insert it in the article. i have now added a photo and an extra paragraph regarding this.

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  • almattitude_v1 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Wow… Nice job Proton! The front looks amazing! While the rear, on the other hand is OK, looks like Skoda… Overall I am impressed… Front looks very sporty, and looks like it has potential to be even sportier (we’ll definitely see modified versions of this car) and I already thought of one design in mu head the moment I saw this… Think EVO X and Golf GTi…

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  • Wilfred (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    lots of ppl asking around when m in the show room…really like this model alots…luckily made advance booking early on for my mannual granite grey…avoided to long QQQ…one thing which not like on this baby will be the height ratio between the window & the door body…sort of weird when looking from far…can’t wait to test drive it…pls. share out comments once you all able to test drive…

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  • almattitude_v1 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    One thing I noticed… Why is the center piece (between driver and passenger) so low? They raised the gear lever so high that it looks awkward… I mean, while reaching for the air-con knob, people are definitely gonna bump into the gear shifter…

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  • idiomanic (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Wow Big Fish… i’m at awe at your determination to find flaws & open up possibility for bashing sessions…

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  • ENZO (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    when will the NEW Saga come with a hatch back version?
    next year?

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  • CSL (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Hi all, i was new here,
    just back from the showroom, the car was very very nice, good job to proton this time, realy cant complaint it, but where can i see all the color of the new saga or the Moutain Blue & Chili Red, i like this two color, who know pls let me know, thanks

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  • armandd (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    wahh, the rear view looks 95% like the previous gen C-class (which is a good thing). overall, i think it looks better than latio, city, or even vios! kudos to Proton!

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Bravo… gonna see it tomorrow. The salesman SMS to me for today’s launch and refreshment for everyone, but I could not make it. Otherwise today makan free, ha ha ha.

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  • kei9 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    And oh..the black=chrome emblems Rare sick (great) i love ’em. The’re gonna be like that for the other upcoming models.

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  • kingbrutal (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    hi guys & gals…

    went to the showroom to have a look at the Saga… a nice decent built car and quite roomy…

    but thats not the point… i talked to a proton guy… i asked him about the waja CPS… he informed me that the new waja would be launched in april at the latest after proton launched the new perdana in march. and the new mpv would be in the middle of this year… wah… 4 model with-in this year alone… but sadly, according to him, the waja would cost more by a few thousand. beside the changes of the powertrain and interior, there would be some minor changes to the exterior also. hope this info is true and will excite us for the next few months… ciao

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  • 707 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    wow! impressive! thumbs up! Finally a major improvement!

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  • skil2u (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:44 pm

    Congratulation Proton, congratrulation Syed Zainal and Whole proton family. Now you produce people car. It look simple but very nice. I like it. Good for ladies as well

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Is it only the test unit or the car does not come with mud flaps? Or do all new cars come without it nowadays? Also notice there is no side signal? But ofcourse can see the front one from the side as well.

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    kingbrutal said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

    hi guys & gals…

    went to the showroom to have a look at the Saga… a nice decent built car and quite roomy…

    but thats not the point… i talked to a proton guy… i asked him about the waja CPS… he informed me that the new waja would be launched in april at the latest after proton launched the new perdana in march.
    ===================================================

    A new perdana? The mitsubishi 380? or a facelift?

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  • owaief (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    BigFish said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
    ———————————————————-

    wow, after considering the flaw that you pointed out, i think this car really suck now, cause the back window cant be winded down completely

    …..

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  • paxter (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    wow, for the segment it is in it kinda wins hands down in the looks and practicality section… BUT hope its QC bucks up… proton now designs nice looking cars but the moment of truth for them will be their QC which i bet my buck will suck again….

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Wah, based on comparison with Car V and Car M, this new SAGA definately the best for money. Pity to those who already own V and M, ya. Not only that, the price is also cheaper.

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  • maibatsu_thunder (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Why is V for Vendetta sitting in the rear seat? He looks so happy though.

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  • sportypickles (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    hi everyone
    my first time here and hope that you can help me in choosing Myvi,persona and the new proton saga. my first priority is fuel economy and engine technology, then space and accessories.
    thank you

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    And pity to those who own Old SAGA. Trade-in price is so cheap that better to keep rather than trade-in.

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  • Bella147 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    farghmee said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

    just back from launching at KLCC.

    THIS CAR ROCKS!

    about 7 cars of different specs were shown.

    IMO white color suits me
    plastics feel good
    the drag coefficient, Cd, same as savvy
    galvanised steel is used
    frankly speaking, Viva is just an overpriced car!

    apart from “makan2″, we managed to get know
    that a 7-seater mpv will come insyaAllah.

    for those who wish to have a sporty look saga,
    u can fit 17inch OZ rim, leather seat,
    smoked headlamp, side skirts,
    scaled-down evo spoiler at the back.
    it’s not my idea, but was shown there by RED
    (a department sort of), in eye catching red chinese color,
    with black colored roof.

    who want their VW if we can have our own VW ?(Volks=people, Wagon=car)

    Viel Glück Proton!

    ilmondo said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 7:37 pm

    with lotus, i hope that r3/RED or wateva division will make a sporty variant of saga and savvy that benchmark the legendary peugeot 205gti or the original mk1 golf gti for its purity in handling. juz dream..

    Guys, was talking to the guys wearing the SAGA RED shirt at KLCC launch this evening, Actually the car is from Proton Styling department, PROTON l Design as you can see stated on the number plate, and the plastic plate by the c-pillar (not R3 or RED department as you think) . The car is actually a showcar to give an overview to customers how to modify their SAGA. and done by PROTON l Design designers. RED means Revolution Enhanced design, as you can see, the standard SAGA is Enhanced for the showcar..

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  • hypermount (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    ahh Big Fish I was trying so hard to comprehend ur question then I finally get it…the big piece of windows rests on top of the rear wheel arches when fully wind down..that’s what you mean.

    I think my savvy rear windows can’t be fully wind down also..

    Waja does not have a small triangle piece also..can the rear windows fully wind down..or the wheel base is long enough to accomodate the fully wind down windos.

    Cost is the main factor..just adding a small window on the A-pillar like Honda City is could raise the cost…

    and truly it’s a safe design for manual cranked window…there’s no other mean for you to raise up the windows if kids are at the rear seat.

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    hey, anyone took pics of that saga RED?? cant wait to see mod new gen saga on the roads ;)

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  • hypermount (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    And pity to those who own Old SAGA. Trade-in price is so cheap that better to keep rather than trade-in.

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    There’s still demand for cars with carburettor engines..SO simple to mantain..no electronics, no ECU, No sensors to worry about.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    cabin width is reasonable ,likely a wira width,
    boost up seat good for legs,

    of course stiffer suspension batter, but its suit the best and more rewarding for car with more powerful engine with big wheel and low profile tyre for higher limit of application and enjoyment, the GTI for instance,

    or sportier tuned suspension is for 1.6 as its more capable, or for sportier hatch,

    but for this 08 saga, if i were to own 1, ill keep this supple suspension for a joy of being comfort, keep its satndard wheel,

    but like said, with 08 saga cheaper car, if got some spare duit to visit accesories shop,,

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  • Dogster (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Hey just got back from the show rooms. Theres alot of space in the engine compartment. Wow. Its for turbo enthusiast i guess. Other areas are reasonably good. Overall looks is acceptable from front to back but then I feel the proton emblem is probably a little too big. anyways i would give a 7.5/10 ratings :)

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  • sportypickles (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    will they fix the new improved fuel efficient engine on persona?

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    ENZO said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

    when will the NEW Saga come with a hatch back version?
    next year?
    ———–
    Hacth back – Savvy lah dude …………

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    yup yup.. tat’s why i still love my old auto megavalve saga so much.. two decades old liao and still goin strong.. quite reliable car it is… easy and cheap to maintain..

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    I will be back to post few more questions about this car that I doubt likely have quality issues.

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  • pengawas (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    i’m just back from COE… what i can say is this car is much-much better from picture.. i like the black color rear view… like honda city.. what can i say is i don’t expect better than i thought… the interior is simple.. meter = cool.. front & rear looking is wow.. the back cupholder is good.. i think black color is most of choice.. car ‘V’ & car ‘M’ is on trouble right now… what can i say is “the Saga legendary is begin”…

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  • syanas (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    a very good car in term of performance & price

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  • legacy88 (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:33 pm

    Not that great looking but not that bad either, just simple and functional for basic car. The styling is acceptable and way much better than old boxy dinosaur saga. I like the front design most and mostly it is uncluttered.

    Interior as expected hard plastic as a main ingredient to reduce cost. By adding a textured pattern on it somehow reduce it cheapness look, but not very much.
    Manual gear shifter too awkward, just like a lorry. ;-)

    Well I’m going to showroom tomorrow to test drive and see how it performed. Expect to see the famous slamming door test by unscrupulous Malaysian public tomorrow too. :-)

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  • jazzer (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    wau!!!!!!ur advertisement in tv so deepful…..good 4 p1 basher…..

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  • prereload (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    Yeah…Rock it baby!! Seriously cute car.K.O punch to V car maybe..hahaha.
    I give 7.99 over 10.00 rate for this new born.

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  • pengawas (Member) on Jan 18, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    i will rate it as 8 over 10….

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  • endy (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Seen the car with own eyes in the showroom just now. Looks much more better than just from the picture. The exterior design is stunning for a car of this size and this price. Interior wise, I love the new texture they make on the dashboard. It makes them seems like soft rubberish feels even though in reality its hard plastic. The gear knob also does not feels or seems too tall as seen from the picture here. Its quite acceptable to me and better than the old Saga/Iswara. Legroom is ample at anywhere you seat and headroom is almost as good as sitting in my Inokom Matrix.

    Overall, its the best car that you can buy for that money and congrats to proton for able to produce such a car. Next, I’m eagerly waiting for the new Proton MPV. Hidup Proton!

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  • xstan (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:05 am

    I must say..very impressed I am with the simple design & widely acceptable by many. Pleasing to the eye. never even expect the interior that good as well was wondering similar to the old unit.

    I must stilll say..gosh its better looking than the present WAJA. Many would agree with me.

    Surprised BigFish rather quiet, besides clevelry pointing one mistake but a blind spot to many potential client. What say u Bigfish…it must be better than ur expectation so u rather not speak out…?? I do like ur comments.

    Good work Proton. U will see there will be word of criticism from the Mini Drivers/owners. Full with envy , they will point out like thier big ego…Mymini space is biger than SAGA…u will see. They dont give up.

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  • armandd (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:13 am

    #
    ENZO said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:32 pm

    when will the NEW Saga come with a hatch back version?
    next year?
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    err, u mean savvy?

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  • endy (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:14 am

    kingbrutal said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:43 pm

    hi guys & gals…

    went to the showroom to have a look at the Saga… a nice decent built car and quite roomy…

    but thats not the point… i talked to a proton guy… i asked him about the waja CPS… he informed me that the new waja would be launched in april at the latest after proton launched the new perdana in march.
    ===================================================

    A new perdana? I strongly doubt it! A facelift maybe, but I think what the salesmen meant is the new Gen-2 facelift as launch in Thailand recently.

    From my observation, normally we should be able to see spyshots of new Proton models on road test circulated on the net about 3 to 6 months before the planned lauch date. And I’m sure nobody here have seen
    anything that could be the new Perdana.

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  • BanyakMasukBengkel (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Firstly i’m planning to buy kakak Persona. Unfortunately, i change my mind because of this model. Thanks. Very cheap. I think Proton will become top world’s low cost car manufacture of the year with great combination of technology. This model i think will become hot like “pisang goreng” soon. Not hot cake(orang malaysia mana suka sangat cake). Keep it up Proton.

    I got some information. About fuel cunsumption. I read from http://www.proton.com.sg/persona_specs.html.
    – Persona melahap 6.3 liter and this Saga melahap 6 liter liter with both running 100km constant at 90km/h for manual transmission. Only different 300ml for extra 300cc?
    I’m konpius. Any clever people kindly tell me something about this reality.

    Bad idea. Overall i think better Persona. because more comfortable.

    do you want my bapak car’s old wira? with nice number Wxx 5353. kehkehkeh…

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  • Cyberkayu (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:22 am

    wow
    very detailed ‘report’ for this blm
    front design cue like R34
    impressive design
    in budget price

    kudo proton

    Jeremy Clarkson : “Finally there is cheap n cheerful car from Proton..” :P

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  • supra09 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:26 am

    nice car but the interest rate is killing me. damn the bank!!!

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  • LittleFire85 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:38 am

    Hei guys dont be so happy yet. Have anyone realize the test crash picture, especially the side crash 1. See carefully & think can the person survive inside? Even the front crash test u can see already went half into the engine bay, will the engine stuff went inside the cabin?

    The safe result haven come out yet & i have a feeling it will not be very good…

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:52 am

    BigFish said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 10:01 pm

    5. The above is not as what defender described as “ad honimem” argument, but through proper observation and hand on to check it…
    ____________________________________________

    What you just gave was a first hand account. Nobody has suggested otherwise. Although everyone can have a different account for any given scenario.

    A “first hand account” and an “ad hominem” argument are two very different things. In other posts, I used the term ad hominem to refer to your criticisms of other commenters – when you attacked/flamed the commenter rather than the idea the commenter gave.

    No need to get defensive.

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  • bobdbilder (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:54 am

    I was at KLCC Convention Centre. This is where all the Proton peeps went, including some Worker Union guys. Lots off official-looking men in tacky cheap suits. Saw the CEO, was politely asked to make way for the MD…

    Saw all the models. Talked to some guys. Got a brochure. Sat in the white manual version coz the auto stick was really putting me off. Sat in the manual, nice seats…hmm…nice louvres. Flick-flick. Saw the stick, slowly engaged clutch and moved the stick. Limp. Tried the whole circle round my hand. When you throw it is sooo rubbery. I liked the fact they maintain Single DIN player, there’s enough room under the seats for amps. And Paul. Double DIN sucks. Its pretentious to have those lights. Nobody makes them anymore coz nobody cares what happens to cassetes.

    Went out and headed straight to the engine bay and tried to see the IAFM but couldn’t because of the engine cover. Then headed round the back. Nice A$$!!

    But yeah…ok. Its basic. Went and saw the heart-wrenching ad on the screens and that’s where it happened. I’ve looked beyond it’s failings and have come to accept it as it is; the people’s car. Practically just aching to be lowered.

    Me? Just waiting for my black 1.6Neo Std and a chance to go up to Karak.

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:54 am

    nice mullet.

    how does it compare with the swift, vios/yaris and jazz?
    thats its competitors in overseas markets. and maybe when afta kicks in since proton is so successful now.

    by the way, how do they calculate fuel economy figures in msia? 6.3 litres at a constant of 90kmh???. alot of cars can do that nowadays.

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  • fliedlice (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:57 am

    LittleFire85,
    Let me explain a little to you about crash protection. The car has to deform in order to absorb the energy from the crash. If the car does not deform, all the energy will be transfered to the passenger, and the passenger will probably die. The front is supposed to collapse; and the engine and stuff will not go into the cabin as the engine bay has extra space (it is not packed 100% full, so to speak). The moving and bending of parts is what absorbs the energy. Take a look at www.euroncap.com to see the crash test results of other cars. The key is that the cabin area should not deform too much; and the areas around it should deform to absorb energy.

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  • bobdbilder (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:01 am

    Oh yeah another thing. The rear windows of my 2003 Hyundai Trajet doesn’t come down all the way too. So what!? Bugger off.

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  • hypermount (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Hei guys dont be so happy yet. Have anyone realize the test crash picture, especially the side crash 1. See carefully & think can the person survive inside? Even the front crash test u can see already went half into the engine bay, will the engine stuff went inside the cabin?

    The safe result haven come out yet & i have a feeling it will not be very good…

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    What the heck Ever heard of crumple zone? From the pics it’s good enough.

    Look at the previos entries how the firewall is reinforced with safety bars and beams to spread apart and channel the impact force from the point of collision. I’m pretty sure the engine is designed drop upon a collision.

    It’s even better designed than some Nippon rebadged cars!

    Collision bar in front of the radiator.

    Viva, I bet myvi’s look puny like this too hehe…not even qualified to be refer as beam
    http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/881/vivacompressorwt2.jpg

    Savvy
    http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc187/zairulsalina/IMG_1186.jpg

    White stuff polystyrene materials for pedestrian protection.
    http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/mohdhaizi/nik%20accident/Image549.jpg

    Chassis strengthening force distributions beams in BLM and all Proton cars, just like savvy.
    http://images.paultan.org/images/proton-blm/Proton_BLM_Build_Teaser_13_Large.jpg

    With front bar installed.
    http://images.paultan.org/images/Proton_BLM_Buildup_100108_4_Large.jpg

    W/o the front bar
    http://images.paultan.org/images/proton-blm/Proton_BLM_Build_Teaser_15_Large.jpg

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  • chap_de_x (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:11 am

    BigFish said,

    As usual, so many congratulatory and patriotic statements. .Not least the Proton salesman talk this good and that good ……

    wah u never learn how to respect others opinion huh… 90% readers here congratulate p1 and say a good thing about this Saga is that mean all of them are p1 salesmen huh….so you must be toyota salesmen always say good things about toyota…please mr fish, there are many readers give honest praise and constructive critics about this car….they said it with honesty what they like about this car and what they dont.so what wrong with that….is it so worse for u if someone say congratulation to p1…that is just they opinion plz respect it…yes mayb they said it with patriotic spirit but once again what is wrong with that…this is made in malaysia by malaysian there must be some proud feeling about it because we are malaysian since it so clear that this product is looking good inside out( but not perfect…no car is perfect)…i think u must go to PLKN to learn how to love your country and support if not much, a bit wut malaysian people is producing by their own hands, plus they do a very good job for this one…

    for your question about the rear window…its practical to just can lower it down until 3/4 only since this will increase safety factor for children seat at the rear and this car have an air-con so no need to wind down the mirror…if still want to get fresh air from outside, i think its enough 3/4 down only so you nose will not suck so much air:)….others car have this feature too…example kenari

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  • hctiu (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:36 am

    OK. Now this is my 2nd message to this page. Just now only gave my impression on the new car b4 going home at the office. Too excited to go and see the car. After office hour, straight head to the nearest proton Showroom at Batu Berendam , Melaka there. There was a large crowd when i arrived there around 6.15pm.

    When i am around the crowd, one good thing is i didnt hear any negative comments from any of the customers there. I observe what other people are saying while taking a look on the car.

    Some of my verdict on that car: 1) engine compartment is big, not so cramp in there. therefore, your mechanic will love to service your car engine as well. HAHA. Radiator is good too in keeping the engine cool (bigger) .
    *** The engine cover is not suitable to be use on CAMPRO anyway. Take it off.

    2) Interior really impress me especially the meter panel (very nice looking). Seats are comfortable too (both front and rear seats). Seating position is good too. Legroom are acceptable.

    3) The boot is large enough though and the boot cover is definitely safer to open and close than the 1 use on the persona and iswara. Easy to open and close the boot. suitable for ladies :)

    4) Rear bumper if u observed after opening the boot cover, u will see 5 BIG screws are used. (Benefit: the bumper will not easily fall-off in the event of a small collision from the rear) and for the front bumper, i didnt observe it. So i cant comment on the front bumper.

    5) Rear door frame rubber is thick enough and looks like the lasting type. Closing the rear door sound also different. Front door frame rubber didnt observe.

    6) oo ya, also the interior compartment (drawer ) on the front passenger side is made from thick plastic ( exactly the one found the same on the MYVI) Go and touch and feel it and u will believe mee. (HARD OO)

    7) the Clarion Radio CD player looks nice too. The player’s color should have match with the dashboard color :)

    8) … enough for now. too many already. I am going to book this model on this Sunday because less people and also the salesman will have time to deal with u. Dont mind with the queue. I plan to buy either the blue or the white or silver color, (B-Line) Manual Transmission :D

    OK LA. My comment is too long i guess

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  • hctiu (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:41 am

    I must say ” Proton, U have another Success Achievement ” Finally . . :)

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  • trustgtr (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:43 am

    saw the car at PE today, good value, decent space (similar size with the vios actually), good design exterior and interior..finally a car for the masses..excellent!! …2-4 months waiting list though..sigh..

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  • MisterBenjo (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Hei guys dont be so happy yet. Have anyone realize the test crash picture, especially the side crash 1. See carefully & think can the person survive inside? Even the front crash test u can see already went half into the engine bay, will the engine stuff went inside the cabin?

    The safe result haven come out yet & i have a feeling it will not be very good…

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    aiya very hard to satisfy this schoolboy….of coz la the engine bay will be like that….every car is like that ma….that is call strategic crash absorbing…the most important thing is u see the cabin structure……have u seen a crash test before this or not?

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  • wanmus (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:46 am

    huhuhu..WOW!!that is my first impression..i like it..hope it will be my very first car..

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:56 am

    BigFish said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
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    wow, after considering the flaw that you pointed out, i think this car really suck now, cause the back window cant be winded down completely

    =========================

    The rear window is purposely made not to wind down completely as for safety issue. Even BMW have this, this is not production flaws, grey imports of BMW don’t have this if you notice…..

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  • BW (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:04 am

    wa this model still got side crash test ar? Not bad huh? The frontal crash test looks better than waja…

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  • Mat Pau (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:11 am

    Superb Proton!!
    What most of us waiting 4 already reveal..
    Got the chance to take a look at this beauty just b4 launch..Haha
    Very nice…Keep up the good work Proton.

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  • richx (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:22 am

    Paul, I have some questions regarding the gearboxes. There are no mentions of a new A/T unit supplier, so I guess it’s still using the same gearbox supplied with the Gen2 / Neo 1.3 units. Now, the question would be if these units have the “improved TCU” that is supplied with the 1.6 engine in the Persona.

    Secondly, it seems like the M/T unit from Aichi is essentially a Nissan unit, perhaps with different gear ratios. It puzzles me that it has relatively ordinary acceleration figures, yet lower top speed when compared to the Neo 1.3. Would you be able to tell us how many RPM is the engine doing when travelling at 110km/h in 5th gear? This is of great influence to your highway cruising comfort and economy.

    Judging from the Aichi product line-up, the Saga’s M/T unit would be a modified F30A unit also found in the Nissan AD Van and Almera. And interestingly, it would have an aluminium housing. That probably explains why the manual Saga is a good 20+ kg lighter than the A/T Saga. Can anyone confirm the gearbox code at the showroom?

    (Source: http://www.aichikikai.co.jp/english/mission.html)

    Also, interestingly, all of Aichi’s FR layout gearboxes are listed to use the “Remote” control method. It would seem like the gear selection and switching is done electronically? Perhaps that would explain why the gearshift feeling is rather poor. Or does it just mean it’s connected remotely by a cable? I don’t know much about this, so maybe someone can share their knowledge of gearboxes.

    For me, a gearbox makes or breaks a drivetrain. A good gearbox is able to hide an engine’s weaknesses, while a bad gearbox can make a good engine drive poorly. Plus long-term (~10 years) gearbox reliability is more difficult to maintain compared to engine, especially with A/T units.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:32 am

    went to a showroom earlier…i was just observing the people who came to check out proton’s new baby…had a good time watching malaysians making sure they get the best out of their money…i have a video of people doing all sort of weird test to see if the car is up to the mark but its not right posting for everyone to view

    first i saw a who put his face flat on the floor to check underneath the car.the he woke up with a big smile on his face..i wonder why??

    then another lady was opening the fuel cap and thightening it a few times..maybe she had bad experience opening it or thightening it in her previous car.

    i sat inside the car simply to see what the rest of the people doing..i was shock to see the middle aircond knob was missing because 20 min ago i saw it and twist it…wonder who has taken it out to send to a lab to see if the material worth to fit in a rm 39000 car..

    an old man was checking out the head unit then after a few min he came back with the keys and on the player..he was tuning in to some chinese station the to light and easy and finally was satisfied i guess so he pressed the horn..everyone in the showroom looked at him but he was a happy man…maybe he has some frequency problem in his previous head unit..and a horn failure..or maybe he has a hearing problem…

    and another young boy came in and started the car..and the salesman asked him not to and took the keys away..the boy then called his dad to point out the aircond vent and twisting it in all sort of position..by watching him do that..i can assure everyone here..the aircond vents are at the highest quality and most durable part in the entire car..

    i was sitting the back seat and da rear door was open..a guy was standing beside waiting for me to get down..i didnt for a long time so he asked me if its comfortable..i said not as confortable as vios(simply said that to see what he will say in return) and he said biasalah..proton mah..ini getah pun takde baik..sudah koyak worrr….pointing to the rubber seals around the door..wonder who tested the strength of the rubber….

    then i came out of the car and talking to salesman pointing out the rubber and told him bout the aircond knob..he said he saw a guy pulling out the rubber around the doors to check..maybe its his work..wonder why he did that…can anyone guess??maybe he tought proton just welded the rear portion of the car starting from the door like kereta potong…

    then the salesman pointed out at front door..someone hit it so hard till its dented…

    i just pity those showroom cars…is it proton that goes through this kind of torture of or every other cars???

    anyway i am unhappy with proton because the did so many effort designing the car to match the industry’s quality level..but they didnt not rectify a small problem which the carry forward from the savvy….THE GLOVE BOX STILL HAVE THE SAME GAP ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF IT WHEN ITS CLOSED…

    otherwise the interior will not have any fault and some stupid australian wont be able to bash proton saga as how he bashed proton savvy..

    its our pride and joy…mistakes has to be corrected…lucky bigfish didnt not notice this…hahaha…

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  • 90125 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:45 am

    Handling, I think the Neo will be much better,but this is a family sedan so I think it’s good enough, the rear windows is not big problem , I will book one as a company car..

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  • mejaneujoe (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:49 am

    yeay.. i’m happy to see the new car..

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  • mergaztua (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:51 am

    1. petang tadi on the way balik kerja aku gi tgk proton BLM dari subang sampai klang aku singgah each protonnya car centre. Hmm so aku leh compare laa mana warna aku nak amik just missed no blue color kat proton centre. Anyway aku dah decided nak amik myvi SE coz saving and monthly dalam rm 550 laa.. untuk 9 thn. But aku tgk petang tadi keputusan aku sama sekali berubah termasuklah tunang aku dan aku sekali decided nak amik keta nie. hahaha. kesimpulan nya aku puas hati la dgn kualiti just belum pakai lagi laa so tak tau qualitynya. Sebelom nie aku mmg anti proton but aku tak buta buta anti proton camtu aje coz i always atas pagarnya org hahaha…
    dari segi design body hmm aku tgk kat internet dari pandangan sisi left and right nampak funny betulll!!! dalam internet aku tgk mcm lonjong semacam jer mabye picture tu kena stretch kot. but tgk depan mata look nice… hahaha aku suka. then body dia wah tegap jugak banyak kali gak aku sandar body aku kat pitu SEKUAT ATI aku baru la dia nak melekuk wah takla mcm tin milo pon… keras jugak hmm dari segi color aku sentiasa fuzzy yerla coz keja pon graphic desinger&IT department sure laa.. aku try imagine each color with gold rim 16″ haha yang paling kena bagi kesukaan aku ialah “granite gray” huuhuhu sebab aku nakkan other black color tu nampak mcm doornya slide tu menyerlah so aku dah decided granite gray yess!!! Tunang aku pon terus setuju bila tgk secara keseluruhannya yehaaa!!!.
    dalaman well simple aku katakan just nice banyak plastic mold laa but u can’t compare dashboard untuk kereta yg 50-60K above laa.. tapi nice ruang besarr ma aku tunggi 170CM, 65KG but bila aku lunjurkan kaki wah lurus terus takder tersekat sekat and rasa selesa lah… even bukak tempat simpan barang kat front passenger seat tu pon tak tersangkut kaki aku hmm and bumbung dari kepala jauh jugak dalam 20 cm gak la jauhnya…
    So aku angkat M-line MT 37,498.00. amik tujuh tahun still dapat rm490 kalo bayar 4500 hahaha actually tu duit for myvi sepatut nya now aku dah decided nak amik BLM hahahaa… minyak pon jimat gak la diaorGGG kKATAA dlm 12-13cent 1Km hmm kena bawak jugak baru tahu.. dari segi part radio dia aku cukup suka coz cukup senang nak cabut and tukar clarion yg ada tv tu wahhh.. kerusi dia hmm looks like waja but bit better la selesa untuk M-line. air bag just for driver hmmm napa tak buat 2 airbag terus pelik jugak.
    Kerusi belakang tak boleh lipat lipat mcm persona, myvi but BLM mmg terus melekat hmm aku tak setuju napa dia buat camtu and pintu belakang pon mirrornya manual bukan auto. wah napa tak buat auto aduhh but when thinking back hmm sure price jadi dalam 43K kot if they added each doors power window and passenger sit can flip like myvi hmm coz proton nak target below 40k. Bonet puas hati memang muat cukup cukup nak masukkan 2 orang hostage haha. Belakangnya design cun mcm mercedes haha. cuma aku tak pasti ADA ABS tak???? hmm. terlupa lak nak tanya..
    Anyway after compared with MYVI SE aku puas hati with the design & price affordable to buy with my salary 3.4K hmm. so kena la tunggu dalam 2 bulan worse case scenario 4 bulan
    tapi takper aku tak kisah rumah aku ngan office 5min jalan kaki jer hahahaa.

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  • mystvearn (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:06 am

    “The switches, knobs and dials are all placed in intuitive positions. My only issue with the interior is not something major. It’s just that Proton does not seem to have a standard Human Interface Design template for their interiors. A little button with a dot on it activates the central locking system in the Proton Persona, but the same button in the Proton Saga is used to deactivate the alarm system! The same design, but different meanings in different cars. This will have to change in the next generation of cars.”
    Proton should spend more time working on this area. It will be cheaper too instead of making lots of different dash boards.

    It looks like the savvy with a boot, so I am thinking the clock is at the Odometer right? Is that correct Paul?
    Can the Clarion Radio display a clock. It is annoying sometimes how people have to look over your shoulder to see what time is it.

    Second question is the fuel meter:
    If it uses the same annoying handphone bars like the savvy, then it must come with a fuel indicator which is not that accurate right? The short fuel indicator in the savvy’s fuel tank makes the car fuel a bit annoying. You can never get the car to have a full tank on the indicator (and even if you did) it will last like 10/20Km before the indicator goes down a bar. Then for some reason the fuel can stay at the lowest bar only to increase in height. I am not sure if you manage to mark the fuel indicator of the car on the test drive.

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  • mushpop (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:14 am

    I did a quick look this proton’s new baby in Seri Kembangan showroom. Overall the exterior looks fine with me. nice and a bit sporty. Interior – personally, I hate vios rear seats. It is stiff n I had to bend my neck to avoid my head ‘kena’ the roof. Some more, aircond distribution in vios is worst. I sweat when I have to sit behind the car.

    So how do I compare this car to vios. Apart from the c.c., I have better legroom and headroom at the back seat. Even I feel the breeze of the aircond rather than vios. This is a car for family.

    But sadly, now most of the modern cars use timing chain, this baby use timing belt. Hmm, I hope Waja Replacement / Perdana Replacement will use it. Much benefits from using timing chain.

    Then we have to wait about 2-3 months to hear any rising problem. Bottom line is, I like this car. Affordable, and value-for-money. Now Myvi has to compete with this new Saga whois the ‘jaguh kampung’ on the road.

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  • kingbrutal (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:12 am

    hi again…

    i can’t argue regarding the new perdana cause what i was told that the car is a total new design… not a facelifted version. it is not based on eterna and has a continental design. that was what i was informed. maybe this was done more secretly to surprise proton competitors.. who knows? and i’m sure he wasn’t talking about the gen.2 FL… anyway… lets wait until march to see it… it’s only 2 months away… be patient all protonians… and bashers… :)

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:20 am

    dang it! my Waja still have another 27 months to settle ..! if not I can start saving money early for the upcoming Proton MPV..! not much info from the PE salespeople when i asked about the MPV, but they are quite sure that the P1 is going to release that the latest by Jan’09. The price range…? well he just told me to expect it to be around the current NZ Citra’s price with better build quality of course. I can’t confirm on that though, but hopefully we can get a good 7-seaters at half the price of H-Stream or T-Wish!

    Well if not because i’m thinking of getting an MPV i might have booked one of those Metallic Silver M-Line AT New SAGA..! This latest baby is sooooooo cute! (and mind you all I love the tight gaps between the baby panels)

    Honestly, the car doesn’t look like a sub-RM40K car. It is , in my opinion, at least on the look department, and the exterior finishes, comparable to those RM65K ++ korean made compact family sedan.

    : peace :

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  • abtm (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:17 am

    it seems the only car that resembles it is the Dacia Logan, lets hope some foreign press will bother to cover their comparison test in the future…

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  • BanyakMasukBengkel (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:28 am

    Suddenly, people can accept Proton as their dream car again. including me.
    This will be a good journey for proton.
    For Proton, just take care of your quality. I’s a key.
    You made it for Persona last time, and i hope you can made it again and again for this cutie model. InsyaAllah..
    After this, what model huh? Tak sabar nak tunggu mpv.

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  • kakilubuk (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:43 am

    Well! Better than before. But….still got no rear power window. Kena pusing lagi.

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  • maibatsu_thunder (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:13 am

    Malaysians going into a showroom and ripping a car a part seems so comical! COMEDY! COMEDY! But remember the 1980s ad for Proton Saga where the three heavy men go into a showroom, pull the tyres, check the Saga and then give it their approval? Life imitates TV commercials these days!! Hahahaha!

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  • azrai (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:17 am

    Yes, it is cute and decent enough. A baby Waja from an angle. So, the WKC 151 Black SAGA is actually David Arumugam’s SAGA. :-) Terima Kasih!! Nice ad by Proton + the Angkasawan’s silver SAGA’s ad too. The monochrome Proton’s logo look nice actually. The N-Line wheel cap have resemblance to VIVA’s 850 one. Proton will make it with this model, but please don’t forget when people actually avoiding Proton in few years back time. Jadikan panduan.

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  • mtay (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Looking good, for the price, minor things like window not winding down all the way are A-OK… only thing for me is the small looking boot compartment. Poor design decision I guess.

    Can’t wait for the coming models!!!

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  • jzkzlz (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Good job Paul.
    Anyway, could u show us about the signal & wiper handle position at the steering column? is it the signal switch handle located at the right side or vice versa at the steering column? Thanks Paul.

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  • weewitt (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:29 am

    Already checked the car. I just can say..im quite impress. But then..i’ll be waiting till next year before i buy this car..after 1st batch for sure. But the again, there are so much more from proton to offer this year. Newer version & facelifted for existing model..can’t wait for the surprise! :)

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  • sxe10r (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Proton do the right thing ~ this everyone affort to buy it !! this time no more milo tin … can see the crash test really no hit driver site & passenger site ~ ppl now will look for new saga no more P2 …. really can’t wait to test drive it ~ c the auto / manual coz plan to replace my old wira 3peed AT … now P2 should have a meeting to adjust the price lo … if not can’t sell well this year … P1 support u back … coz i also driving P1 now … this saga come out for hack down viva ?? the persona vs Myvi ?? so Savvy make a new price to VS kancil kelisa & 660 Viva … P2 no way …

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  • 4G63T DSM (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Good try, not a bad looking car (Like the Accent)

    Rear window not a big deal, as quite a lot of cars wont wind the rears down fully. Its a design issue for cars with a single sheet of glass.
    I view not having rear power windows (perhaps maybe higher trim lvls will have them?) is a safety issue since there is no way to lock out the window from kids in the back seat (powered window versions should have a lock out from the driver controls).

    Gear shifter of the manual is a bit of a dissapointment, after the rather nice ones on the Gen2.

    Interior still looks too plasticky, furthering the same impression of cheapness (being the base range, perhaps this is forgivable).

    I still feel that the car seems to be a deal because of the unfair market practices of taxing other marques too sky high. My respect will only go to proton when the artificial barriers are removed.

    Not in the market for one though. I still hold the opinion that 35k still buys a much better 2nd hand car now that 2nd hand market is so depressed. Of course I understand its much harder to get a loan than a new car.

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  • joe203 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:55 am

    I went to the showroom yesterday to check out on this baby. Very impressive. Just what you would expect from a base model: nice design & practical.

    But they should stop claiming this as THE ‘affordable’ car. It is cheap because all other cars are made to look expensive by NAP. If there is no NAP, then most cars will become “affordable”.

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  • lolipop88 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:56 am

    BigFish said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 10:01 pm
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    wow, after considering the flaw that you pointed out, i think this car really suck now, cause the back window cant be winded down completely

    chanel said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 1:56 am
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    The rear window is purposely made not to wind down completely as for safety issue. Even BMW have this, this is not production flaws, grey imports of BMW don’t have this if you notice…..
    =========================

    I guess the rear door curve led to the window cannot wind down completely… this is normal for a small wheelbase B-segment car.. even my small Polo as well!

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  • razzack04 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Tahniah Proton and Paul. I don’t care what others said… I like this car. All this for under 40K.
    Let’s stop with the power window issue… my sister used to own a 3 series BMW. There’s power window problem, rpm sensor problem, air cond problem. My 5 year old wira 1.3 aeroback got 232 000kmon it … no problem at all. Just do the normal service every 10000km. Just change the battery last year (after 4 years). Timing belt every 100000 km. My friend’s spectra already got problem with ignition system after 6 month.
    There’s no perfect car in this world. It’s just that nearly everybody got one or know someone that owns a proton. Any little problem that occurs we know about it and assume that all protons are defective. There are a lot more of good protons out there than the bad one.
    It’s the same with other cars too. So, think before you bash. Don’t just bash for the sake of bashing. It just make you look like a fool.

    Always remember that whatever car you own…. it’s your car and take very good care of it.

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  • naikmotoje (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:06 am

    the car so cute…
    put the spoiler then it look more aggressive… huhuu

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  • want_diy (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:38 am

    overall..Good…just have to wait and see customer feedback..!..great bargain from P1..P2 have to revise their price list if they want to compete..But still prefer my Myvi lorrr….:)

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Bye bye perodua
    ppl oredi tired ur dvvt, toyota QC gimmick..

    prrrfthhh

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  • maibatsu_thunder (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Remote shifting? I believe it means not directly into gearbox, e.g. for Mini, the 850’s had a long wand going into the trans case, but the later Coopers, etc. had a so-called ‘remote’ shifter meaning it just has some rods going to a ‘remote’ location farther back towards the drivers natural hand/arm position. Maybe this is what they mean? Remote could possibly mean rod or cable linkage but I don’t believe it’s specific to either one. Just my 2 sen.

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  • avanza (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:58 am

    paul,

    any idea if they will come out with a high-line? with rear power windows, passenger air-bag and ABS/EBD?

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  • nuzzary (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:58 am

    for sub 40K is worth it for me, back window 2/3 unwide would be because safety + cost issue. i would acctept 2/3 wind at the back if there is no window lock (power window) as you cant control what the kids do at the back. my 4 years kelisa got the same thing also, 2/3 wind but still have big gap (can still fit head out) .. sometimes have to regularly watch if they are playing with the window. bad safety feature.

    again.. FOR SUB 40K its worth it.

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  • ospair (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:20 am

    They might be Proton Saga with NGV around 4 th quarter of this year. Source taken from engineers inside proton .

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Cudnt resist stopping by P1 showroom on d way to work tis morning (had actually planned to go to mutiara’s tmrw).. had solid white B-line.. cudnt resist the knocking and shutting the doors (why no feedback from BigFish on tat hah) and no more milo tin impression anymore! wat awed me d most is the interior! gosh the legroom & headroom – only one word – unbelievable! and paul, i feel 3 adults (or 4 slim ones!) can fit in really comfortably on back seats ;) and the seats are very comfortable indeed, the back seats more slanting position, better than persona…

    Then one very funny thing happen, i looked at the side mirrors and found no knobs inside to adjust ’em (like wat my manual wira has) and no (electric) buttons either (like wat my auto megavalve saga has) so enquired the SA. He said “ini B-line, ada ada, dekat dash depan” I said “tak nampak pun” then he came out from the showroom and went inside the car looking for it (hehe) then i said “memang tak ada ke, macam kancil adjust manually di luar ke” then the SA replied “ahhh ambil N-line, ini B-line”.. like tat oso can!

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  • miri (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:21 am

    hahaha…. toy car…. macam kotak saja….

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  • ospair (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:24 am

    All positive feedback, Congratulation Proton.. New Saga will set new benchmark.

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  • LF.CHAN (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:33 am

    Congratulation to PROTON !
    Well done, PAUL !
    Really…such a great gift to the nations to celebrate 50th years of Independence !
    Hey, MALAYSIAN…its a NATION CAR!
    MALAYSIA BOLEH !!! yeah…

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  • ASIMOtypeR (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:35 am

    I like it, I love it …
    only dashboard not so nice

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Smallfish said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

    Wah, based on comparison with Car V and Car M, this new SAGA definately the best for money. Pity to those who already own V and M, ya. Not only that, the price is also cheaper.

    ==subjective…some people do like hatchback/stationwagon other than sedan. Car V consider expensive i think.

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  • sportypickles (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:42 am

    how is the booking numbers by today?

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:57 am

    congratulations another new car from proton. somehow, in my opinion, if i were have rm50k, would go for myvi. if i were have rm40k, would go for this new saga.

    Paul, thanks for the test drive results to us. Somehow, i hope that u can make a comparison with myvi too, about specifications, rides, pricings. what is the differences especially of pricing if both are sedans with same specifications? i hope that it can be done so that lot of us won’t say P1 or P2 like enemies…

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  • armandd (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Smallfish said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

    Wah, based on comparison with Car V and Car M, this new SAGA definately the best for money. Pity to those who already own V and M, ya. Not only that, the price is also cheaper.
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    to compare the price of this new saga with myvi, i think saga has better value for money. but hey, if u compare it with viva or that ridiculously priced sutera (forza), it wins hands down, literally..

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:00 am

    razzack04 said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 9:00 am

    ==agree with u. this new saga is nice.

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:20 am

    tec96248 said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 10:39 am

    Smallfish said,
    January 18, 2008 @ 10:52 pm

    Wah, based on comparison with Car V and Car M, this new SAGA definately the best for money. Pity to those who already own V and M, ya. Not only that, the price is also cheaper.
    ==================
    yeah pity to V and M owners.. esp for those who bought V and M car becoz of ‘QUALITY” factor kununnnn..
    one of my friend admitted that V is overpriced but he said he paid for Quality..
    yet the quality below his expectation
    prrrfthhh pity him

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  • voyager86 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:24 am

    i have some question regard to the manual transmittion…
    anyone knows the gear ratio of the aichi kikai MF30A??

    is the MF30A = F30A??

    because from my survey from internet, F30A is old nissan sunny (b11)’s manual gear box…

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  • nanashisan (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:26 am

    sportypickles said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 10:42 am

    how is the booking numbers by today?
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    i believe after lauching the saga yesterday, the booking will be OVER NINE THOUUSANDD!!!

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  • sharkfish (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:31 am

    i love this car..everything is nice..and cheap too..and more important is it is national car..i give 7.5/10

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:36 am

    topgunthang said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 12:54 am
    how does it compare with the swift, vios/yaris and jazz?
    thats its competitors in overseas markets. and maybe when afta kicks in since proton is so successful now.
    _____________________________________________________

    Their image has improved, but they arent really that successful yet. We’ll have to wait for the rest of their 08 lineup to tell.

    IMHO, this new Saga does have the potential to compete head on with the swift sedan, vios and city (the jazz is a hatchback. a different class of car).

    A few things would have to be improved:

    1) It is currently too cheap. A luxury Saga variant should be priced around RM50-60k. The vios/city/swift all cost about RM60k with AFTA. The tax-free price in langkawi for the cheapest trim vios is RM55k. AFTA specifies a 5% tax rate.

    2) ABS + EBD + 7 airbags standard.

    3) Fine details such as a leather trimmed steering wheel and gearknob. Parts that users touch often. Better upholstery like the flagship Mazda2 genki (i really really like the upholstery of the mazda2 genki. hands down the most comfortable i’ve ever felt in it’s class).

    4) 1.6 CPS/VIM engine.

    5) Mated to a 4speed auto like the vios. A full fledged CVT would make it a vios killer if it also had specs #1 to #4.

    The question is, could proton add all of the above for about RM20k?

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  • ilmondo (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:40 am

    correct me if i’m wrong..
    just wondering if those pics are post-crash pics or ‘crashing’ pics?
    seems strong if its post-crash!
    well.. we dont know what the crash test dummies said yet!

    *i’m just another proton surporter who feels proud when SAGA is launched. just curious bout the crash test pics!

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  • nocrid (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    I wanna thank Paul and BigFish for their information and findings about the car. BigFish, kindly updating us…er…no…just me with your findings from “the other side point of view” so that Paul can clear it up. I need to know what’s the bad of this car. And don’t worry about the good, there are hundreds of them here…be it superficial or substantial.

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  • nocrid (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Oh, penYu… you are back. What’s up bro? This must be you proud moment. Enjoy ya…:-)

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  • sharkfish (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    who cares..i just love this car

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  • johanbey (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    Just realized Paul actually driven this car 2 days ago and have to hold on to his press preview picutres until 5.30pm yesterday. The picture of the covered Saga is the similar to the one with the MD standing beside it. Anyway, its irrelevant.

    Saga cant be compare to MyVi or Viva as P2 have over and over again proven quality is high on their priority list, have anyone complained about QC issues on Viva thus far? I do have to agree its an over price car. But so is every Kancil and Kelisa owner who sleep soundly at night knowing that they wont have to wake up to a failing car in the morning.

    I have wanted a Gen-2, then the Neo, thought about the Pesona but instead kept my Kancil until now.

    The saga is intead a decent car for the price. You can forsee in will fill the roads in time to come.

    My hope is they take their time to deliver the orders instead of rushing the production to cash in and suffer what previous CEO did when the he launch the Gen2.

    One other thing, Im currently in Kuching, so as you all know it will cost 2k more for any CKD or national car here. Thats acceptable as the road-tax and insurance here are slightly lower. But when I ask the sales man near Jalan Haji Taha showroom of the delivery date, he have the guts to tell me if you place your booking w/o colour preference you get in 2-4months, if you insist on a particular colour, the waiting period is 6months.

    Can some one tell this to the MD of Proton and kindly ask him if this is an acceptable practice in terms or consumerism and customer service?

    After all the hype is over, lets look at the practical point of view, for those who are buying this for their children for college, parents for giant shopping or maid to go to the market, fine choice.

    But for those who are using this to sustain a income kindly consider these points:

    1. Fuel hike is a certain after election. Please look at your budget
    2. Once fuel goes up, it will be a ripple effect on you whole expences
    3. Hidden cost of servicing, maintainance, insurance, road-tax, spare parts
    4. Its a 40k car, you expect a Proton to last 9years in KL driving condition?
    5. How much time you spend in maintaining your car?

    I’m not a basher, I’ll seriously consider the Saga when I’m back in KL. But even at my income which is more than enough to buy a Vios or City, I’ll still take a look at the used car market and see what 40k can fetch me. Perhaps an old Corolla that will give me the good sleep for another 10 years?

    I have a friend who drives a 20plus years Corona, the last model before it was axe in the local market, its running and have lower maintainance cost and better mileage than a Wira Aeroback.

    Hold your RM500 booking fee and think about it for a moment. Think! But ultimately, choice and preferrence is individual.

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    @BigFish

    The salesgirl panicked, eh? She must be new n unfamiliar yet wit the car, heheh.

    But she is telling the truth. Rear windows on most cars today can no longer wind down fully, 1/2 is usually the most, like the Waja. Reason is cuz children CAN accidentally climb out, so the best way is to prevent it from happening by limiting how much the window can wind down. Toyota, Honda, BMW, Merc, Ford, Fiat, Hyundai, Kia, you name it. They all do that to the rear windows of their new models. Though I can’t be sure for China cars…..last time I heard got Chery score 1 star safety rating, so such feature like this is probably unheard to them. Say no to China cars. Muahahahahaha……..

    Though I must say, oni able to open 1/3 is small…..oh well, if bigger, I wonder if someone’s gonna blabber wat I typed n then bash Proton for being unsafe aside from nt giving twin airbags n ABS. yareyare…….

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    oops not a cabin width of a wira, i agree its a small car, but new saga feel ‘releive’ ,
    sis book E line,

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Ops, I mean open 2/3 (instead of 1/2) at most, as well as this Saga!! Paul, I thought you know about this fact? If u want to, you could’ve snapped photos from the co-driver seat.

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    johanbey said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 12:14 pm

    Saga cant be compare to MyVi or Viva as P2 have over and over again proven quality is high on their priority list, have anyone complained about QC issues on Viva thus far? I do have to agree its an over price car. But so is every Kancil and Kelisa owner who sleep soundly at night knowing that they wont have to wake up to a failing car in the morning.
    ========================

    haha i believe u dont own perodua cars and ur statment just based on ur assumption.. pls visit viva or myvi forum.. then u will know

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  • 1NZFE (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    How abt if
    Perodua VIVA = RM27,447.50 – RM43,228.40
    Perodua MYVI = RM33,277.70 – RM42,822.20

    since new proton saga is exempted frm excise duty n sales tax…

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    nocrid said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 12:05 pm

    Oh, penYu… you are back. What’s up bro? This must be you proud moment. Enjoy ya…:-)

    =================
    i realiesed, proton is doing a right thing since savvy time..but at time most ppl still sombong and dont want to admit..
    finally.. now so many ex basher become supporter

    rgds
    Ex proton basher since 1985~2005

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    @johanbey

    You gotta understand that cars are painted with a limited number of units per badge. If you miss a batch, you might have to wait the next batch. Usually, the unpopular colours will hv faster waiting period. That’s why if u specify a (it will usually be the popular one) color, the waiting’ll be longer, but if u don’t, they can give you the unpopular color faster.

    Or something like that. Bah, hope u can understand my rough explaination.

    You consider urself NOT a basher, but making RM40k for what the M-line could offer sound overly expensive. And proceed to doubt its durability for 9 years?

    So the spare parts will get expensive, what makes other car manufacturers don’t? Some come from Europe, Japan, overseas generally, you think the ships to bring it here run on winds? The truck to carry from port to service centre run on electric?

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  • blunt (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Dear Johan…
    about viva..
    Did you already browse viva owner forums..if not, better you reserve your observation or rather perception

    about waiting time…
    why not you goodself send an email to P1 MD.

    Johanbey said..

    Saga cant be compare to MyVi or Viva as P2 have over and over again proven quality is high on their priority list, have anyone complained about QC issues on Viva thus far? I do have to agree its an over price car. But so is every Kancil and Kelisa owner who sleep soundly at night knowing that they wont have to wake up to a failing car in the morning.

    One other thing, Im currently in Kuching, so as you all know it will cost 2k more for any CKD or national car here. Thats acceptable as the road-tax and insurance here are slightly lower. But when I ask the sales man near Jalan Haji Taha showroom of the delivery date, he have the guts to tell me if you place your booking w/o colour preference you get in 2-4months, if you insist on a particular colour, the waiting period is 6months.

    Can some one tell this to the MD of Proton and kindly ask him if this is an acceptable practice in terms or consumerism and customer service?

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  • blunt (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    From where you got the info saying that this new SAGA is exempted from excise duty and sales tax..???
    If you dont have valid info..just dont post it….GROW UP

    NZFE said..
    How abt if
    Perodua VIVA = RM27,447.50 – RM43,228.40
    Perodua MYVI = RM33,277.70 – RM42,822.20

    since new proton saga is exempted frm excise duty n sales tax…

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  • 1NZFE (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    http://images.paultan.org/images/proton-blm/Proton_BLM_Tentative_Pricelist_Large.jpg
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    did u notice the sales tax n excise duty is zero…

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    peYno said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 11:20 am

    yeah pity to V and M owners.. esp for those who bought V and M car becoz of ‘QUALITY” factor kununnnn..
    one of my friend admitted that V is overpriced but he said he paid for Quality..
    yet the quality below his expectation
    prrrfthhh pity him

    ==i don’t agree with u totally. i might feel sad if i buy a viva bcos it is overprice and somemore only 1.0 compared to the saga 1.3. but i will feel satisfy if i buy myvi bcos it has all the things i wanted for 1.3. anyway, both viva and myvi are hatchback. should be compared to savvy is more appropriate.

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  • 1NZFE (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    I see it frm a price list. Did u notice sales tax n excise duty is zero!!!!

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    tokmoh said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 12:23 pm

    Ops, I mean open 2/3 (instead of 1/2) at most, as well as this Saga!! Paul, I thought you know about this fact? If u want to, you could’ve snapped photos from the co-driver seat.

    Hang on ,where did my post go? I’m +ve I wrote this to correct THIS post:

    @BigFish

    The salesgirl panicked, eh? She must be new n unfamiliar yet wit the car, heheh.

    But she is telling the truth. Rear windows on most cars today can no longer wind down fully, 1/2 is usually the most, like the Waja. Reason is cuz children CAN accidentally climb out, so the best way is to prevent it from happening by limiting how much the window can wind down. Toyota, Honda, BMW, Merc, Ford, Fiat, Hyundai, Kia, you name it. They all do that to the rear windows of their new models. Though I can’t be sure for China cars…..last time I heard got Chery score 1 star safety rating, so such feature like this is probably unheard to them. Say no to China cars. Muahahahahaha……..

    Though I must say, oni able to open 1/3 is small…..oh well, if bigger, I wonder if someone’s gonna blabber wat I typed n then bash Proton for being unsafe aside from nt giving twin airbags n ABS. yareyare…….

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  • danielthw (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    blunt…

    Is there a necessity to be so harsh on others? To err is human you know. You could’ve just corrected the misinformed gently.

    Rgds

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    just now before lunch, i and my colleage went to see this car again and also comparing with the persona, the bigger sibling. my colleage, a fellow that’s really like to test drive every new car if possible…..

    both of us feel much more comfortable in the saga compared to persona. the seats are softer in saga that make us feel like sitting on plastic chair inside the persona. we found that the dashboard are more ergonomical, appealing, acceptable than persona except the steering and gearshift lever. interms of interior space we couldn’t feel much differences. but this saga feel more comfortable then the previous model vios, either front or rear seats. the rear windows is a sad point that not powered. so it is better open 2/3 for child safety reasons, which others did apply also. interms exterior looks, similar to those early 90’s, so nothing to shout about but it may hv the lasting look over the persona. M-Line is a better buy because some of the things which is useful are not found in B-Line and N-Line. we prefered this saga to persona.
    We believe that it might not affect much to the viva or myvi, bcos they hv their own market. This saga will definitely attract lots of buyers, both of us are the potential buyers. hmm……benefitted the consumers.

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  • edwindudley2003 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Proton truly deserves a pat in the back or maybe even a hug for this kind of model. A simple, practical,yet functional car which does not even lose out on style cues and most importantly an affordable car for the people. SYABAS PROTON !!

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    To kingbrutal. I don’t think the Proton guy gave you the right info. Perdana and MPV this year. Syed Zainal already said MPV next year (targeted on January 2009) and Perdana might be also next year too. For now, Waja CPS and Gen2 CPS will be next.

    To LittleFire85 said, I don’t think you really understand the crash test and the safety feature behind cars. Have you ever see any car in the crash test only have bumper damage or less than half into the engine bay? You are asking will the engine stuff went inside the cabin? The engine bay and rear boot space is actually where the CRUMBLE ZONE are. Space where the car structure will deform to absorb the energy of the crashing. The occupants safety cabin zone are where the A Pillar to C Pillar all around (just like a box or cage shape) located!! That’s why you can see those yellow mark impact bars located including those located at the dashboard areas and lots more others – shown in stage by stage demo teaser that day – Paul’s blog.

    Flaw for rear windows just because can not wind down completely and only 2/3 of it? Is that what you mean? Many cars built like that as its a safety features.

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  • dewasemut (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    guys.. went into proton edar web site…
    http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=newsaga
    the picture of manual shifter in the website somehow is rather short and sportier than da real thing.

    Any comments proton officials?

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  • normaluser (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Unicnons & other readers, there will be NO Perdana replacement for the time being. From a reliable insider source, DSZ has dropped the plan after realizing that the cost of rebadging the perdana from the Mitsu A380 is still expensive (manufacturing, sourcing, tooling, configuration etc). But can confirm u that an MPV and Waja replacement is on the way (2009 & 2010 respectively).

    The Proton Savvy will be Export-Only model (thai, china), and cease to be sold locally, since its market position has already been replaced by the new Saga. Despite that, its parts will remain under production for the servicing of the existing ones.

    Hopefully, DSZ kept his promise that Proton will keep their product cycle for not more than 7 years.

    ==================
    The Unicons said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 3:01 pm

    To kingbrutal. I don’t think the Proton guy gave you the right info. Perdana and MPV this year. Syed Zainal already said MPV next year (targeted on January 2009) and Perdana might be also next year too. For now, Waja CPS and Gen2 CPS will be next.

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  • ingolstadt (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:20 pm

    Great job Proton. Enough for the compliments, next step:

    1. Lengthen Waja’s platform and give us a low slung 7 seater at 65k. (i.e Wish)
    2. Destroy Perdana – We don’t need a replacement.

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  • razzack04 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    Dear Johanbey…..

    I don’t know what people are driving in kuching.. but in semenanjung there are a lot of proton over 9 years old. some even first generation SAGA & WIRA. About the waiting period…. come on lah, you’ll face this with all car manufacturer. If you don’t want to wait just buy an old model that nobody wants. That’s the only one without waiting period. Let me explain, car manufacturer have target or production plan based on plant capacity, manpower etc which they agree with their supplier or vendors. Let’s say 3000 per month. So, if 9000 people book the car.. you’ll have to wait at least 3 months. If 36000 people order the car.. they have production full for a year. If the just suka hati produce 10000 cars a month, in 4 month they’ll complete their order. What to do the other 8 months???

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  • MisterBenjo (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    normaluser said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

    Unicnons & other readers, there will be NO Perdana replacement for the time being. From a reliable insider source, DSZ has dropped the plan after realizing that the cost of rebadging the perdana from the Mitsu A380 is still expensive (manufacturing, sourcing, tooling, configuration etc). But can confirm u that an MPV and Waja replacement is on the way (2009 & 2010 respectively).

    The Proton Savvy will be Export-Only model (thai, china), and cease to be sold locally, since its market position has already been replaced by the new Saga. Despite that, its parts will remain under production for the servicing of the existing ones.

    Hopefully, DSZ kept his promise that Proton will keep their product cycle for not more than 7 years.

    ==================

    yap this is correct Bigger Waja will replaced perdana after the FL Waja phased out.

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  • Wilfred (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    2nd time again in the showroom…hearded that this Saga is with 16 valve & twin cam engine…which make it more power while in auto car…how true is that?

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  • DrA (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Paultan,
    Any picture of the old SAGA next to the new one?

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  • nbs55 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    johanbey,
    i dont agree with u.my old saga 1989 still in good condition and i can traveling fr kb to kl w/out any problem.today my sis in law want to sell her viva (baru 4 bln bli) with this saga.she not satify with her viva.not power but overprice….

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  • neurra (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    i thought most cars can only wind down just like that for the rear windows?

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    rear window just stop there because its a non A pillar design (and the look rather clean), so theres limitation rolling to roll all the way, but in return the window apature open wider,

    and to some extent, it prevent kids from doing the no no,

    sis book it the E …budget ,with 2 children,

    Joe Ooi ,she need the car, well the cars not bad,

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  • namiabeeR1 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    i just came back from the showroom..damn it was so crowded.. n i met my cousin book for the M-line..
    love the rear sit very much compare to Persona rear sit..
    hope to get 1 of these since it is tradisionally running in my family blood to own a SAGA..
    hope to see more lovely car from u Proton.

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  • painsama (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    The gearstick doesn’t look that tall in the official picture from proton edar website:
    http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=newsaga
    under interior

    as compared to the one you posted on this site:
    http://images.paultan.org/images/Proton_Saga/New_Proton_Saga_10.jpg
    http://images.paultan.org/images/Proton_Saga/New_Proton_Saga_30.jpg

    Which one is the real production gearstick since the saga in the showroom that I went to yesterday was an automatic M line model.

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  • kjhwc68 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Look good but the new saga look a lot like Chevrolet Aveo. E.g. from the side, dashboard, front bonnet & tail lights. A copy?

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  • adilatif (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Proton still pay for sales tax and excise duty. but they dont put at their pricelist anymore maybe for strategic marketing purpose.

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  • moha774 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    #
    Wilfred said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 3:58 pm

    2nd time again in the showroom…hearded that this Saga is with 16 valve & twin cam engine…which make it more power while in auto car…how true is that?
    ——————————————————————-
    It is true..

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    So many people in the show room, just like pesta. Parking also difficult to find.
    So, the expectation will be so many orders for this new car within this weekend, and then what will happen? Yes, you have to wait 5 ~ 6 months to get your car. So hurry-up. Wa sudah kena last time when ordering Persona.
    Nearly 4 months to wait, eventhough I ordered it within 4 days after launching.
    So, for this one, I guess many people will buy, based on observation at show room today.
    Regarding the car interior I just like to comment on the door lock knob. Look very cheap design – like a plastic pensil and difficult to pull either.
    Others are very well design.
    Body looks strong too, not like old SAGA when if you press the zink a little, you can feel it to sunk down. This one is quite strong, maybe double thickness of zink plate.
    However, I don’t really like torsion beam design for rear suspension becasue it kinda unconfortable when driving over the bump and holes on the road.
    Cheers!

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  • richx (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Hi guys. I just came back from booking an M-Line M/T unit. I noticed the auto gearbox is listed as F4A4A. Seems like a Mitsubishi / Hyundai unit. If anybody wants the gear ratios of the M/T unit, I should be able to get a hold of it tonight.

    Because tonight the salesman promised me a test-drive. But only got A/T units in the showroom, so no choice, have to drive that one first. I’m still very curious about the F30A tho.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    To normaluser and MisterBenjo, well I read it from local newspaper. That’s all. That’s why, in my post I just saying Syed Zainal already said MPV next year (targeted on January 2009) and Perdana might be also next year too. For now, Waja CPS and Gen2 CPS will be next. That’s why for Perdana replacement I did confirm about it.

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  • sunsilk (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    erm..gonna book one …bt don knw how long i hv to wait…..bcos so many ppl already booked …haih~

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Cyberkayu said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 12:22 am

    wow
    very detailed ‘report’ for this blm
    front design cue like R34
    impressive design
    in budget price

    kudo proton

    Jeremy Clarkson : “Finally there is cheap n cheerful car from Proton..”
    —————————————————————-

    I think now Proton proves that things that are cheap doesn’t mean that it’s not cheerful. Happy motoring…

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    Can’t wait for the R3 variant, this car ROCKS!!!!

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    Ahh… sorry typing error. “That’s why for Perdana replacement I did confirm about it.” should read as “That’s why for Perdana replacement I DIDN’T confirm about it.”

    By the way, thanks Paul for putting more pictures including the crash test. Even though a bit smaller but at least can see.

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  • MyviKiller (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    ingolstadt said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 3:20 pm

    Great job Proton. Enough for the compliments, next step:

    1. Lengthen Waja’s platform and give us a low slung 7 seater at 65k. (i.e Wish)
    2. Destroy Perdana – We don’t need a replacement.
    —————————————————————-

    Destroy Perdana? You got to be kidding, Proton needs to compete with the other auto manufacturers in every segment to ensure its survival. I wouldn’t employ you as the product manager if I were the Chairman or MD.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    the unpainted bumper, if well styled, with alloy 13″ 185 65
    black wheel arch and its lower side also black a k a stone guard,
    carrier, spot light,

    woo, a nice soft off roader look,

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  • arm man (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    it’s nice & affortable family car to be own… well done PROTON.

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  • mlbl (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    I just came back from the showroom. Compared to viva, the car interior plastics feel cheap and almost the same quality as viva..but obviously this car is more value for money if you’re looking for a sedan. However if you compare the plastics with myvi, this saga really has poor plastics interior compared to myvi…miles in difference..the door latch inside feels cheap…the knob to lock/unlock the doors are horribly painful to press…only consolation is the price and the large boot area. Initially I thought of buying this car (i currently own a myvi) as I’ve seen proton improved steadily…I thought this car would have pretty decent plastics (something like myvi’s interior) after hearing from paul’s review and test drive…but I was disappoitned….but nevertheless, this is a decent car, nothing really to shout about. You should go to the showroom and see this car before passing any judgement because from the pictures shown, the car looks overly spectacular and grand, but when seen in person….you’d have a different opinion entirely.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Proton is going to lauch two or three replacement model this year??read it in star..BIZ NEWS page 3..

    then i asked my friend..he said perdana replacement model will be on its way by dec this year…a rebadged version but with proton’s own engine to keep cost down!!!(what engine??)

    second is proton waja with campro is going to stop…and its going to be replaced by proton waja cps..price will be around rm 63000 to 73000 and a full facelift is not going to happen because by 2010 or 2011 its going to be replaced and will no longer be 1.6 variant!!

    mpv next year..based on waja’s platform(chancellor)..7 seater…its going to look like the new stream and tuned by lotus(for sporty handling)..also proton’s own engine.the final design process has been completed…so we will see spy photo’s very soon…so dun worry guys…

    but the question is…what the other replacement model this year???the gen2 is out of the question because we all know its on its way…

    SIFU we need you here to answer all our questions!!

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  • endy (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    dewasemut said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 3:06 pm

    guys.. went into proton edar web site…
    http://www.proton-edar.com.my/index.php?page=newsaga
    the picture of manual shifter in the website somehow is rather short and sportier than da real thing.

    Any comments proton officials?
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Pardon as I’m no proton officials. But what I saw in the showroom is exactly as shown in the picture from the proton website. Its not as tall as shown in the picture from this site. Maybe its just a matter of viewing angle?

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  • rt (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I think in your specification image, http://images.paultan.org/images/Proton_Saga/New_Proton_Saga_features_Large.jpg

    You had accidentally switched the image between B-line and M-line.

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  • dr_carz (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Just came from the showroom. The car is decent. I just got hot air. Not like the pictures, the car is damn ugly. the interior is bad. Why would i pay 550 per month for a car that is so lame….

    dont know what the fuss is all about!!!

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  • bigcow (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I do find the new Saga reasonable and would certainly go view in the show room soon. Couldn’t expect much since its so cheap. Nearly gotten myself a 2nd hand Savvy if the Saga wasn’t launch.

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  • john weinthal (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Looks good; excellent interior space
    Very small opening for commendably large boot – pity any cabbie saddled with this Saga
    Ultra slim glovebox – why bother if this is best they can do
    No lid on ‘air bag’ cubby hole above glove box – Hello thieves and sun
    Limited opening of rear windows
    QUALITY: All looked OK but front left wing on metallic grey 1.3MT at Proton on Jln Cheras tinkled like a toy tambourine when tapped – all other panels gave satisfying quality thud.
    Five year extended warranty sounds brave and potentially expensive move
    Pricing OK but main competitors are from Proton themselves – Savvy (dead anyway), Persona and Gen 11. What can they be smoking!
    Can’t wait for Perodua response – something will be done about Viva pricing as it’s no showroom runaway either
    Did not drive but gear lever certainly less than inspiring with rubbery movement at standstill. Sounds like the rolly-poly ride is pretty grim from Paul’s comments

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  • adamccl (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I’ll say NO first, until I give it a rigid test. ALL Campro cars have failed my rigid test. Can this one survive? We’ll find out on Monday when I conduct a Quality inspection test upon the vehicle. Don’t try to be too smart, Campro @$$#0|_3$!
    Add this, add that. Later, come out to nothingness! Learn from Savvy, you final idiotic batches. Savvy is a success with a proper class… though not 100% perfect.

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    i think jazz is entry level car. but with a premium. so proton needs to compete with it.

    the yaris sedan/vios is just a yaris with more comfort and space. mazda 2 looks nice. but i didnt like the genki version. test driving it i felt it does not begin to touch the civic vti especially with the price being 1k aud apart.
    fuel consumption is about the same if compared to the civic so its a no brainer. only the neo version is worth buying.

    vios should be around the 50k mark in rm so that you right when afta is gone. considering toyota do hold up to aging pretty well. the 10k premium comapred to top line saga is acceptable provided its about 55k rm insteead of a ridiculous 75k rm.

    test driving all these entry level cars…the jazz does rule them all i have to admit. even though i dislike jazz alot.

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Wilfred said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 3:58 pm

    2nd time again in the showroom…hearded that this Saga is with 16 valve & twin cam engine…which make it more power while in auto car…how true is that?
    ———-
    >>>Well, that’s…..true in a way. The campro engine does have 16 valve and twin cam, but there are many more factors to determine an engine is powerful or not. FYI, the 1.3 campro in the new saga is more powerful than 1.5 Mitsubishi in older wira n iswara ;) It’s also more powerful than Perodua’s 1.3 Myvi.

    @ dr_carz,

    There are many people with a harder life than you who would be glad to get what the Saga offer at that price. But of course, someone spoilt like you will never understand.

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  • rizamri (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Hi everyone (point to ponder)…

    I wonder how many among us still remember the time in 1985 when the first batch of Proton Saga’s travel across the country to advertise itself. I believe the excitement then, is ALMOST like when we are looking at BLM now. Those days, selling proton cars were much easier than motobikes :)
    Thinking of these SUDDENLY it strucks me….
    WILL
    a) Pre-owned Saga’s (usually bought by 2nd hand dealer) be more expensive than new ones, due to the long waiting list. Just like in the late 80’s and early 90’s
    b) Inspite of centralised booking system, customers can buy their way into getting their cars earlier
    c) Proton salesman becoming berlagak and “tak kisah” attitude resurfaced. No more politely answering questions etc. Had the experienced (early 90’s) of no one coming to aid inspite of being in the showroom for 10 mins. Senang jual ma… apa susah2 mau layan.

    These are just for Proton to ponder… I am in no mean a Proton basher, I had previously owned all proton models except Juara & Savvy. Good luch Proton and thanks Paul.

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    @normaluser

    U SERIOUS KAH SAVVY WILL NO LONGER SELL HERE?!?!?!?! ussoh daro…..

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  • carenthusiast (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    i think i saw Shannon Teoh at Puchong’s showroom today! or am i wrong?

    anyway, the design of this Saga looks ok and the space at the front is ample for a tall guy like me. the rear space is just so-so.

    Waiting for the High-line to come… (i bet it will!)

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  • shamel (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Yes, I couldn’t agree more with you, Rizamri. This takape attitude not only will destroy SAs but Proton in general. YES, these new Proton SA which is not used to this overwhelming experience maybe will react negatively toward this ‘phenomenal’ demand after hot Persona.

    Please remember, business is about long run instead of short term. This new Saga not without drawback so treat ya prospects nicely like Mercedes’ SAs.

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  • mitlanevo (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    awesome meter panel :-)

    overall = NICE !!!!!!

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  • zane (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    hey.anybody got a pic of that RED saga???

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  • ah liew (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    Since it cost less than 40k, is it a bad sign for Persona & Savy? Not to mention those who bought the Merdeka Saga & Viva.
    It’s a big impact for Myvi too because it offers 1.3 with a boot.
    Great news for students & new white collar workers.
    Bad news for car modifiers because the new Saga looks damn decent & lack of killer looks! Compared to Gen2 or Neo, just a simple modification & the car will look great.
    Logically speaking, since buyers are aiming a car below 40k, i believe there is no budget to pimp their ride…..!

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  • sunsilk (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    just nw went to showroom and tried to sit inside the car..it is quite comfortable and the sounds when i closed the car door was quite good…somemore seems like more “heavier” than previous saga…(or bcos of i havent eat for my dinner??) although the rims are 14″ for M-line models..bt it still looks ok…but it will be much better if change to 15″ la…haha…the interior looks is quite simple but got a little bit plastic-feeling..bt still acceptbale la..hope there is no quality problems for the first batch la…

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    nuzzary said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 9:58 am

    for sub 40K is worth it for me, back window 2/3 unwide would be because safety + cost issue. i would acctept 2/3 wind at the back if there is no window lock (power window) as you cant control what the kids do at the back.
    ————–
    Just now went to Taman Equine Park Proton showroom opposite Jaya Jusco, ask 2 salesman overthere why the window open 2/3 only. They just replied “tak tau lah”. This show the following scenario: –

    1. The Proton salesmen lack of training in term of product knowledge.

    2. If it is for kid safety reason, the salesmen should be brief by Proton and they can reply confidently for the 2/3 opening design.

    So far, there is no official claim from Proton that the 2/3 opening is for kid safety. And as so far prior to the above matter highlighted by me, no one, be it bashers or defenders mentioned on this safety feature.

    The only thing mentioned by Paul related to kid safety feature is “Fitting its purpose as a family car, the new Proton Saga comes with child lock functions for the rear doors”.

    If the 2/3 opening rear window is for kid safety design, why Proton bother to put in child lock function? Furthermore, all manufacturers all over the world never claim this is new invention for kid safety features.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 19, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    nocrid said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 12:04 pm

    I wanna thank Paul and BigFish for their information and findings about the car. BigFish, kindly updating us…er…no…just me with your findings from “the other side point of view” so that Paul can clear it up.
    ————
    I am now preparing “long air” analysis on one aspect of Saga, I hope Paul don’t censor it! I will be posting once I am satisfied with what I am writing.

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  • kalabumalami (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Went to COE for lookout and pass by several showrooms in Klang Valley, damn full of ppl grasping their hands on those new sagas..obviously Proton did a good job technically and marketingly and all in all we can say our rakyat anticipate for this for quite so long and now its here. Bravo alpha to Proton! Heard the waiting list are now up to 3 months. i’d say WOW for a one day sale after launch. much better than pisang goreng panas azmi seksyen 19 shah alam man!! Oh yeah

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:10 am

    ingolstadt said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 3:20 pm

    Great job Proton. Enough for the compliments, next step:

    1. Lengthen Waja’s platform and give us a low slung 7 seater at 65k. (i.e Wish)
    ——————–
    So, re-engineer Chancelor to become 7 seater at half of its price of RM 130K++.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

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  • richx (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:28 am

    Sorry for those who were expecting the gear ratios for the M/T. I forgot totally about it. But I have a perfectly good excuse for it. I managed to test-drive the A/T B-Line unit. All I could say at the end of the drive was, “Mr. Salesman, can you please deliver my car tomorrow?”.

    Why? Because I was totally blown away. 5 persons in the car and the engine pulls away without too much grumble. Absorbtion of road undulation was really impressive, and from my memory, better than that of the Persona. Aircond fan at #2 speed delivered lots of air already, but slightly noisy. #4 should be really noisy, but it was cold so I didn’t bother to test it. Lights were good. Audio rather below my expectation, but nothing RM300 can’t fix. A “careless” throw into a corner didn’t fade my confidence, tho rear passengers complaint of bodyroll.

    And then there’s that starter motor sound. That was the killer blow to me. I _really_ want this car. But there’s also a list of fixes to perform when the car comes. Replace the motorcycle horn. Change alarm to one with immobilizer and auto-lock/unlock. Add noise insulation panel to bootlid and rear bulkhead. Add tweeter for front and change to 2-way at the back. Maybe add some insulation into the doors too. Nothing major – looking forward to the DIY work later.

    All in all, more than what you’d expect for the price. Still very impressed now. Please send me my unit soon ok, Proton?

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  • zack_keyme988 (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:48 am

    PAUL…

    ANY NEW SAGA TV COMMERCIAL????

    I WANT TO SEE ONE….

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:52 am

    mlbl said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 7:15 pm

    “… nothing really to shout about. You should go to the showroom and see this car before passing any judgement because from the pictures shown, the car looks overly spectacular and grand, but when seen in person….you’d have a different opinion entirely BLA BLA BLA…”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I have seen this car, both in pictures / spyshots and have seen the real thing.
    I think the car looks and feels much, much better in real that in the pictures. We respect your decision to keep your Myvi after doing your own comparison. But for other people perhaps they think otherwise, and hopefully you will also respect their decision on this car.

    :peace:

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:59 am

    dr_carz said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    Just came from the showroom. The car is decent. I just got hot air. Not like the pictures, the car is damn ugly. the interior is bad. Why would i pay 550 per month for a car that is so lame….

    dont know what the fuss is all about!!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I would pay RM550 per month for this car and I won’t make a fuss about you and your even uglier car.

    :peace:

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  • mlbl (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 1:25 am

    madimat: of course, everyone here is entitled to their opinion about the car. make no mistake – this car is worth buying over viva..for that kind of price tag and engine, is worth every penny. my only concern is the interior’s plasticky feel and the somewhat worrying QC issues that seems to plague proton’s cars…I think its best to wait till the next 1 – 2 batches before proceeding to buy any of proton’s cars because i’ve heard countless of people having tons of problems with their cars..even my colleague who bought a satria neo complained after 2 weeks he got his car – the dashboard was rattling…if its 2 months or 2 years I’d accept that…but after 2 weeks ?

    No doubt proton is steadily improving their quality these days, so hopefully they can keep that up..

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  • Ajis (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 7:34 am

    Finally… Proton Manage to think outside of the Box (Literally the Body shape)… it’s a nice car… comfortable drive rather than the older version… i think we have to wait and see for the endurance…. well normally the first model always have some issue with it… :) Also can’t wait to see any photoshop job for this beautiful machine…

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 7:37 am

    mlbl said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 1:25 am

    . my only concern is the interior’s plasticky feel and the somewhat worrying QC issues that seems to plague proton’s cars…I think its best to wait till the next 1 – 2 batches before proceeding to buy any of proton’s cars because i’ve heard countless of people having tons of problems with their cars..even my colleague who bought a satria neo complained after 2 weeks he got his car – the dashboard was rattling…if its 2 months or 2 years I’d accept that…but after 2 weeks ?

    =======================

    so you never heard viva gerbox kong after 3 days?? and never heard myvi dsahboard rattles problem???

    pls update ur info bro

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  • DrA (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Well done Proton!!!
    Love the simplicity of the design. Defenitely a SAGA.

    Bigfish,
    The 2/3 opening rear window doesn’t bother me as I never open the rear window anyway. So hot, need aircond!!!! And did you know that the first generation Lexus LS rear window did not wind down completely as well? But no one cares because it was a Lexus.

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  • mlbl (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:20 am

    peYno – never heard of those so far but I’ve heard some issues with myvi of course…but not as much as i’ve heard of proton’s QC issues and dangerous ones at that like brake disc failure, aquarium satria neo, power window failure…

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  • sharkfish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:26 am

    This is really great car for rakyat..Im proud of it and it is affordable.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:38 am

    mlbl ,that guy is likely Proton salesman, he all the way bash MyVi and Viva! There are two type of Salesman, good saleman is more reasonable if they just said the product they sale is good. Never condemn their competitor.

    Another kind is “extreme” blind kind by said everything is good about their product and everything is bad about their competitor. This is very unhealthy mindset. I won’t deal with this kind of saleman irrespective of which brand they sale.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:42 am

    Hello Everyone!

    To Mr. Big Fish:-

    The reasaon for the 2/3 wind down window at the back is:

    1) Design Constraints and cost cutting measure. If want to make the window go down fully, the price of the car might go up few k’s. So it’s a wise desicion of Proton not to do so in order to keep the car below 40K.

    2) Child safety feature. Initialy, this was not intended, however when there is a design constrain like this, it is common for car manufacturers to ‘turn it into’ a positive aspect; rather to look on it’s downside, look at it’s benefits.

    Generally:
    This 2/3 window wind down at the back is common nowdays, as most manufacturers uses it as a cost cutting measure. SEE OTHER CARS, LIKE PERODUA, TOYOTA, HONDA(A and B segment cars) and so on, they have similar ‘design constraints’ and its quite common in the automovite design industry. Another thing Mr. Big Fish, I would like to remind you that A CHILD LOCK SAFETY FEATURE ONLY PREVENTS THE CHILD FROM UNLOCKING THE DOOR NOT UNWINDING THE WINDOW!!!

    Cheers!

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  • boredofschmucks (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:48 am

    For a 30ish grand worth of car,I’m not complaining much as if I’m expecting a premium car

    Some people here are being unreasonable and there are some people who claimed to own Proton cars,not a Proton basher but yet ask us to wait for his ‘ill-intended’ reports when he test the car.What are you?Some kind of a hypocracy scheme?

    Oso,someone’s way of deducing the quality is by testing the car until it passes his so-called Quality Test. Must’ve a big CERTIFIED ISO QUALITY TESTER sticker on his forehead

    Sigh….

    My personal view of the new SAGA…the design is not great BUT it’s not fugly. Its a basic car with no jazzy,fancy equipment/accessories. Good for someone who wants a simple,no-nonsense car that car deliver them from A to B

    Need to wait for the reports of the owners on the quality of the car before posting any serious/further comments

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:55 am

    si-fu said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 9:42 am

    Hello Everyone!

    Generally:
    This 2/3 window wind down at the back is common nowdays, as most manufacturers uses it as a cost cutting measure. SEE OTHER CARS, LIKE PERODUA, TOYOTA, HONDA(A and B segment cars) and so on, they have similar ‘design constraints’ and its quite common in the automovite design industry. Another thing Mr. Big Fish, I would like to remind you that A CHILD LOCK SAFETY FEATURE ONLY PREVENTS THE CHILD FROM UNLOCKING THE DOOR NOT UNWINDING THE WINDOW!!!
    ————
    Your first reasoning “common” and “cost cutting” and “design constraint” have some basis.

    But to say it is for child safety reason, there is no “official” claim from any manufacturer! Normally central window lock at driver seat is function as to “disable” rear button to prevent child play with the window is commonly available in the market, including Waja.

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  • CSL (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:56 am

    yeah yeah !!! i realy like this car, and some one or Mr. paultan can post any mountain Blue saga picture, or who know which show room go show this color of car ?
    please let me know, thank you very much

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:06 am

    On sales and marketing aspect of the Saga and previous models at Proton showroom. The folowing is the “frequent” traits that I am facing with Proton salesman: –

    1. “Tak apa” attitude.

    2. Not “serious” in dealing with visitor and sometime customer have to approach them, rather than they take proactive initiative to reach customer.

    3. Their presentation is “bland”, lack of “urgency to buy” approach and convincing power.

    4. Lack of product knowledge (even some non-technical question). This include give “cin-cai” answer.

    5. Sometime brochure also “out of stock”.

    6. Don’t record down visitor contact no., thus no follow up call.

    7. Difficulties to get test drive, etc.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:18 am

    To boredofschmucks. Yes. I kinda agree with you as there are people dare to say they are going to do full assessments or testing of this new Saga. Are they qualified as a tester? What are the qualifications for those poeple? Hahaha…. I prefer looking forward from those REAL QUALIFIERS such as those editors from magazines (local or international), Fifth Gear NOT TOP GEAR….

    To mlbl. You never heard don’t mean it never happened! Even Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, Hyundai, Perodua, got power windows problem, transmission problems, brakes failure problems, electrical problems including shock caused by bad wiring and many others. My point is, there are thousand of cars (same model or not from each manufacturer), don’t tell me you have seen every single car and check through every one of them. Say if you live in KL, do you know what happen in Sabah, Sarawak, Langkawi or other states? What more to say, thousands and millions of cars in a single state. Those who drive branded and luxury cars, most of them will just keep quite if their cars failed. I know because I have friends, colleagues…. like that. Proton is a bit unfortunate last time, because having more flaws in their cars. However, recently we can see the improvement from Proton…. which for many people with rational and positive thinking will feel it is good but still Proton must learn and improve themselves faster.

    That’s all I can say. Not defender of Proton and basher to other car manufactures.

    Cheers and happy motoring.

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  • aksMs (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Finally, after so many years, the new SAGA arrived. It’s quite a suprise actually that Proton manage to pull this off. I mean design wise, it didn’t make the ‘extended’ rear end look awkward unlike the Latio or the City. But, personally, I think this car is no head turner. It looks bland. I don’t feel the ‘freshness’ that you felt when they launched the Gen2 and Neo some times ago. It’s a bit dissapointing or is it me expecting too much? But I guess, SAGA has met it’s purpose as the car for the masses. No offense to “kipas-susah-mati” Proton. Maybe it’s just me.

    A bit side track. I’ve read somewhere on January 17. Excerpts from Mr. Rocky Bru’s blog; “Market talk. I hear the Proton management, the same one that sold MV Agusta for 1 Euro, is planning to sell off Lotus. No, not for 1 Euro…….Proton sold off MV Agusta on the pretense that the bike outfit wasn’t part of its primary operation, which is to make cars. Ironically, BMW, which is also primarily a car manufacturer, paid close to RM500 million for MV Agusta.

    The re-making of Saga. Expect the Proton chairman to deny this talk tomorrow (Friday, 18/1)……”

    Anybody here can confirm this? Paul? sifu?

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  • sunsilk (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:27 am

    morning~anyone here who already tested drive this new born SAGA, if don mind can share ur opinion here..in terms of comfortability, stability, power delivery at low rev etc etc…..haha~

    and,

    how many stars of this car scored in crash test..anyone?

    thanks for sharing~

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  • orgkampong (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Wonder why people paying much attention to rear window that can’t be fully winded. My Citroen also only 2/3 rolled down. Why they need to roll down the rear window? To those who has this concern, when is the last time you rolled down your rear window?…Perhaps rear passanger paying the toll ticket for you?

    Need to differentiate between what things need to have and what things want to have…If more attention were given to what things want to have then probability to spent for unnecessary is there..

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Hi there again!

    To aksMs:-

    I guess wat you heard was just a romour or a hype. The last thing that proton would do is sell Lotus. There are many long term projects already planned with Lotus, for the next 10 years or so. So i guess its a false statement. I respect your opinion on the car, as each individual has their own taste and how they look at certain things. Not like certain ‘people’ who just go to the showroom to find fault on the car.

    To boredofschmucks and The Unicorns:-

    I agree with you guys. Some ppl talk/post here as though they know how to test a car or an engine. Many people doesn’t know the vigrous testing that the Campro engine endures everyday. There are test conducted on the Campro engine for 500hours at maximum rpm (arnd 6000rpm) and/or maximum torque (depending on which engine) with specific intervals (to simulate oil change) depending on which engine, to see the durability of the engine. Other then that, there are constant road test being done on existing models (with weights on board) for mileage accumulation to test the durabilty of the engine with load and also the durability of the car. The are many more tests done which many ppl dont know. That’s why when initially Campro was launched, Proton claimed the engine was durable. Due to these vigorous testing and so on, the service interval for the new Saga is EVERY 10000km. So the car is not only cheap, but cheap to maintain also. Some people just easily tell whether the car can last for 9 years or not, if the car and engine is cared properly it can last for 30 years also.

    Cheers!!!

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  • idiomanic (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:15 am

    BigFish said,

    January 20, 2008 @ 12:27 am

    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

    —–

    Hmm… maybe we should comment next that the tyres fitted onto this car catches too much dirts.. Proton should rectify this by having ‘dirt repellent tyres’ fitted instead.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:22 am

    To orgkampong. Well, that’s why some people don’t even “DO FULL ASSESSMENT” to other cars (from other manufacturers) and start to complaint about Proton cars including this Saga for its rear power windows can not wind down completely.
    —————————————————————-
    BigFish said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 12:27 am
    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

    ANS: 6 NUTS and WAHSHERS actually. I think Perodua MyVi and Viva also have this “UNWANTED FEATURES” too and as you said “rough work”. Correct me if I’m wrong. Why Daihatsu / Toyota didn’t rectify this? I did some references. The Honda Civic U.S. model and Honda Fit U.S. model (just to name two models from other market than Malaysia) also have 2 nuts and washers to hold the rear bumper. Sound familiar? If got time, I’ll try to find out more car with this “rough work” and “unwanted features”.

    Happy motoring everyone. Cheers.

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  • idiomanic (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Compare this to my Savvy, the door finishing is much better with nicer curves & flowing design. And has even small fabric patch at the handrest area. Nice touch for sub-40k car.

    The only consolation for my Savvy is that I can fold flat the back seat and hv enough space for my Ikea shopping day..

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  • idiomanic (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:25 am

    Got an air bag some more… ishh… ishhh

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  • Ajis (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:33 am

    I wonder if we get to see the new saga which has been tuned up to the max? regardless R3…

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  • SKUNK_WORX (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    myst said,

    January 18, 2008 @ 5:39 pm

    Looll..Forgot to sign in 1st…If Not i’ll b da 1st to comment..Huhu

    Bravo Proton..

    ‘Proton Basher’..Any words ?
    ————————————————————–
    you are worse than a proton basher. provoke anger who are disagree with you and turn this place into a war zone.anyway it’s a new car. wait until 6 month. let some test rat use the car first. then let them talk here. the unpleasent thing i’ve discovered are the steering wheel quality and the exposed frame in the bonnet at rear back seat for N line and B line. engine compartment looks ok but many empty space at engine right side. they should do something to cover that area. overall are just so-so. anyway proton already did something. ” dare to change” has show a little bit.

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  • SKUNK_WORX (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    congrats to proton for dis new product. Please don’t take things for granted after this.

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  • intermilan (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    A normal car that probably deserved the many ‘WOW’, ‘OHHH’ n ”AHH’…. it’s a little sad but that the reality in Bolehland.

    Finally the right offering.

    All those damning bashes and flaming critics from many Malaysians either in this blog space or elsewhere.. finally… were officially answered by Potong.

    Lets hope this car survive way past the initial euphoria (excitement)… everyone want this car to be a success.. almost..

    Potong, congrats for finally deliver what customer demands…

    And last but not least, the base for this new Saga, the Savvy is a good car. Hope people will realise that n appreciate the little ‘good-handling car’ better after this.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Thank you si-fu for the further input and comments.

    To orgkampong. Well, that’s why. Some people only put in some crap comments about Proton cars including this new Saga without knowing the facts that there are so many other car manufacturers produced their cars with rear windows which can not be winded down completely. Why they never complaint and only when Proton cars, they bring up the issue?

    BigFish said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 12:27 am
    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

    ANS: 6 nuts and washers to be exact. Since I’ve been looking and test drive many cars I can’t remember too much. If I’m not mistaken, Perodua MyVi and Viva also have nuts fixed such a way. Correct me if I’m wrong. So, why Daihatsu/Toyota also didn’t rectify this “Unwanted Feature” as you called. I’ve did some surfing and found out even Honda Civic U.S. model and Honda Fit U.S. model (just to name two models outside Malaysia – United State mah, more standard right? hahaha….) also have 2 nuts and washer fixed on the rear bumper such a way too. So, you call this “nice work” and “good feature”? or “rough work” and “unwanted feature”? Sound familiar? For me, as long as the boot close and cannot see the nuts, that’s fine as long as those nuts actually to straighten the fixing of the rear bumper. If after closing the boot still can see the nuts then I can say its rough work or unwanted feature. Just like you said.

    Happy motoring and cheers to all.

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Unicorns, that’s so true. One must take complaints about proton’s perceived lack of build quality with a pinch of salt especially if:

    1) The person has never owned a proton car.
    2) The person has only owned proton car(s).

    GENERALLY: I find that people who have owned BOTH proton’s and continentals dont complain much about their protons. However, people who owned both proton’s and japanese cars do complain abit about their protons …but still they dont complain as much as people who have only owned a proton car.

    To Bigfish: Eh, im still waiting for you long winded review. For the first time in awhile there appears to be more positive than negative comments about proton. Come and balance things up abit.

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  • moto_moto (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    i went to the showroom 3 times already.yes,3 time. i choose this proton saga over myvi, viva,sutera,kenari,atos,suria,qq,spark etc the same price range :) why? i dont need to explain. you find it out at the nearest showroom near you. tutup cerita! to bashers, wat ever. peace

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  • szw (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    its a worth it car…
    it feels ok to me.’but still waiting for campro CPS waja…

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    The Unicons said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 11:22 am

    BigFish said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 12:27 am
    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

    ANS: 6 NUTS and WAHSHERS actually. I think Perodua MyVi and Viva also have this “UNWANTED FEATURES” too and as you said “rough work”. Correct me if I’m wrong. Why Daihatsu / Toyota didn’t rectify this? I did some references. The Honda Civic U.S. model and Honda Fit U.S. model (just to name two models from other market than Malaysia) also have 2 nuts and washers to hold the rear bumper. Sound familiar? If got time, I’ll try to find out more car with this “rough work” and “unwanted features”.

    Happy motoring everyone. Cheers.
    ——————-
    Whatever makes with this “rough work” with this “unwanted feature”, I still maintain my statement even it is Mercs or BMW! I am not “selective” and “fault finding” with Proton.

    Same to rear window 2/3 opening issue, it is crap “design flaw” if Toyota, Honda, etc have this. Don’t just because of other major manufacturer do it, then small player follow blindly!

    These are the “cost cutting” exercise aim at to maximize profits/minimize cost rather than “cost saving” – a value engineering exercise during design and production stage aim at eliminate unnecessary cost without sacrify the functionality, aesthetic or quality aspects.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    To Mr Big Fish:-

    Big Fish Said,
    ‘If the 2/3 opening rear window is for kid safety design, why Proton bother to put in child lock function?’

    “But to say it is for child safety reason, there is no “official” claim from any manufacturer! Normally central window lock at driver seat is function as to “disable” rear button to prevent child play with the window is commonly available in the market, including Waja.”

    I want to higlight here, that CHILD LOCK AND CENTRAL WINDOW LOCK is 2 different things! GET UR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE U POST BLINDLY! U just contradicted urself! First u say ‘child lock function’ then central ‘central window lock’, where are getting at actually? Don’t u know that the new Saga doesn’t have rear power window? If don’t have rear power window, HOW TO PUT CENTRAL WINDOW LOCK????? That’s why the window only can be wind down 2/3!!!! To compensate for that!

    Wats is this with requesting for Proton to claim that it is a safety feature? U think Proton got no other better other things to promote on their car ar? Afterall, those kind of window design is common and not a big thing TO BE CLAIMED!!! Why not U ask other manufacturers like Perodua, Toyata, Honda, Hyundai, Renault, and so on to claim the same thing? Not like certain manufacturers (Car V), got nothing to promote their car, they claim their car door can open 90 degrees la, 80 degrees la…isn’t that a lame thing to promote a car with? There are many other features to be higlighted with this car, that’s why Proton is concerntrating on that rather then concerntrating ON A WINDOW! U claim other people are purposely bashing P2 cars especially the salesman and so on, firstly how sure are u they are salesman? Secondly, isn’t that what u were doing prviously and also now? Bashing for no reason? Please Mr. Big Fish, i think everybody here knows that U cant accept Proton is improving. I am not telling that they r the best or wat, but they are improving and will further improve. Just give them a chance. Not everybody is perfect, and the same saying goes, not all car manufacturers are perfect. Dont go to show rooms, to ‘test’ the car ‘ur way’ and purposely find fault on it. I think these kind of attitude is childish, improper and un-professional.

    Cheers!

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  • kingbrutal (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    hehehe… right on si-fu

    anyway… u must admire his determination… so many ‘bad experienced’ with Proton still went to check the car for fault… and his findings are:

    a. the rear window only goes 2/3 down?

    b. there are some screws and bolts on the boots?

    really… I am confused by his aim and intention for all this fact-finding… if u don’t like the car or the manufacturer itself, why the trouble in the first place? let people who like the car be left alone. it’s like u are promoting hatred on proton. it’s like u have some hidden agenda here. even Paul himself who is more of an expert on automotive see this as a good product and here we have a yahoo who say it is not. I really pity your mindset… too much hatred… learn to love and you won’t be such a pitiful person.

    To si-fu… can u confirm when is the waja CPS is due? I’m been waiting since last year to book it but nobody seems to know when it’s going to be launched. the most I can get is, it will be launched in april the latest… is it true? thanks

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Well said, si-fu.

    Kingbrutal, are you saying you are getting the Waja CPS? Cool. Hope the center console for dashboard area is nicely redesigned as someone told it is one of the improvements besides getting new engine. Hopefully better gear shifter and hand brake too. Haha….

    Coming months will be even hotter as more new cars going to be launched. Wah…. haha…. Busy man!

    Drive safe, keep safe and stay safe wherever you are. Have a nice day.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    To Bigfish: Eh, im still waiting for you long winded review. For the first time in awhile there appears to be more positive than negative comments about proton. Come and balance things up abit.
    ————
    Yeah, exactly I try to reply one of our fellow forummer about this car resemblance to Dacia Logan. Thus, the next big question is it P1 carry out re-engineering exercise to make new Saga from Savvy chassis, or it is “rebadge-ticon” transformation from Dacia Logan? I am still look to my “Mahaguru Tuan Google Bin Tok Yahoo” for more information.

    OK, I am not fault finding again, I dare to claim that I am good if not expert in analyzing photos. I am involved in photographing way back to 1990s during my college time using professional Nikon camera.

    I can identify with “90 % accuracy” whether the photos is taken using standard lens (SLR conventional 50mm), telephoto lens or wide angle lens (indeed this is a basic knowledge for cameraman). And now, I am interested and brush up my skills in dealing with digital photos & Photoshop (get a lot of tips from my brother who are opening bridal studio).

    OK, now we are back to business, I am not trying to divert your attention but just to share something. Look at the crash test photos furnished by PT. I don’t know how and where Paul obtained these photos but I hope it is not from Proton. I have the benefits of doubt that the attached photos are in original form?. I already copy and paste to winword, enlarge and analyze it.

    The “signs” are very visible: –

    1. Look at the first photo.

    – The glass broken effect, if enlarge “look like a lot of water splash out effect”. And as known to all, the glass use in the car is not like normal glazing, where it will normally broken, but still “stick together”. However, this photo shows that it is splash all over like water (look like the quantity is more than it supposes to be, some more the second photo show the rear window open 2/3, so left 1/3 to “splash”).

    – Look at the dummy vehicle, the rim is paint with yellow. I believe this part is not Photoshop. However, the rim for this Saga dummy is red (left), and extends to tyre. In my entire life, what I know all tyre available in the market is BLACK? Looking further on enlarge photo, it was found the “artist” done a bad Photoshop job, the tyre is authentically black but come with a layer of semi-transparent red coloring. The worst is the red color even “spilled” down to the floor a little bit. Why they paint red all over rim and tyre? This will be described the likely reason when we look at the second photo.

    – Look at the smaller hole of the drum rim for dummy vehicle, the contrast is very clear between the hole and the drum. For red color rim in Saga, the alloy wheel hole is blurred? (i.e. for side impact crash test, supposed the Saga dummy is stationary).

    – Look at the lighting direction, there are sport light visible from the back and top (look at the reflection of light on top right hand side of the windscreen). Look at the tyre at right hand side, it is completely black (perhaps the “artist” forgot to Photoshop it)

    2. Look at the second photos

    – The lighting direction should be come from all direction since there is no shadow below the car.

    – Look at the front and back tyres, the alloy rim is clearly visible. But the hole on the alloy wheel is more blur compare to holes for yellow drum rim in the first photo. There shall be no such thing as argue on use of cheap low pixel camera to take photo for this important test.

    – Look at the circle line between the alloy wheel and tyre, it is not perfect round as compare to the yellow dummy vehicle. Therefore, I believe the purpose of the tyre paint red is the “artist” cut the alloy rim from somewhere else, and paste into this Saga dummy. To cover out the bad Photoshop job, the easy way out is by color red all over the alloy wheel and tyre. The door handle is likely being Photoshop as well so that it looks like production unit of Saga.

    Then subsequent question is why they do this? Likely answer is P1 (assume the attached photos is furnished by P1) may actually do not carry out the crash test but use other crash test photo and Photoshop it, later claim as their own. So far, one perplexing thing is why there are crash test photos but no test result announced? Is it no test or 1 star rating, so “no result”?

    Does the crash test photos are actually belong to Dacia Logan? I check with the Dacia Logan website and find a crash test photos but from different angle and they give their crash test rating as 3 star for adult occupant safety.

    http://www.renault-dacia-logan.com/logan-safety-euro-ncap.php

    Paul, please don’t censor this posting and take it as another question for you to answer (if you see it as question and worthy to answer).

    Paul says: You’re just being absurd as usual and I am not going to bother with this.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Hi kingbrutal:-

    Hehehehehehe, Let see wat he says after this!
    Regarding Waja CPS, it will be launched by mid this year, the earliest by April. I am not sure wheather both the CPS cars will be launched together or separately, but most probably together! One thing i can reassure u, u wont be dissapointed waiting for the Waja CPS. Even i am pondering of getting one! Hahahahahaha. Its ‘super sweet’ i can say. It rides well, handles superbly, powerful engine, SUPERB interior! and fast too! The best part of the car is the engine! It can rev up to 7000rpm EASILY and EFFORTLESSLY, like A HOT KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER!!!! The engine is SUPER SMOOTH!!! Before u know it, u r already hitting the redline!!! Hahahahahaha. Thx to its CPS and VIM!!! I guess i just made u more anxious and excited, i am too actually!

    Cheers!!!

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    si-fu said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 4:33 pm

    To Mr Big Fish:-

    Big Fish Said,
    ‘If the 2/3 opening rear window is for kid safety design, why Proton bother to put in child lock function?’

    “But to say it is for child safety reason, there is no “official” claim from any manufacturer! Normally central window lock at driver seat is function as to “disable” rear button to prevent child play with the window is commonly available in the market, including Waja.”

    I want to higlight here, that CHILD LOCK AND CENTRAL WINDOW LOCK is 2 different things! GET UR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE U POST BLINDLY!
    ———
    Thank for the comment, i am not wrong to say so since I specifically mentioned my Waja. And thank for the info on child lock and central window lock. Anyway, no point argue further on this as every thing is well said.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    To ezralimm. Well said. Some people thought that only Proton cars got flaws. Last time I did post about my friend’s Toyota Vios less than 2 years power windows failed. The latest one is my uncle’s Mercedes Benz E Class (W211) suddently brake failed, no brake so crash on other people’s car. Luckily he drove slowly. His old Mercedes Benz E Class (W210) got bad wiring. Electrical shock!!! sold off get W211 also got problems.

    Not to bash other manufacturers, as these are the facts.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    My opinion on the overall of this Saga is it is decently built and price reasonably under protective NAP environment. This is not the barometer of Proton success. Proton will be truely success only if they can export in big nos. to achieve economy of scale, and to compete at local market without NAP to fully benefits the consumers.

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  • BrakeFader (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    This car is really good and it is a worthy successor of the original Saga which is in the 30K range. Overall, it exceeds my expectation and I’m happy that although it is a sedan version of Savvy, it looks like an all new model.

    I’m a bit surprised that they removed the handle bars for the lower 2 spec models. How much could they save from those handle bars? If they are trying to save on cost for the most entry level, they could have omitted power steering steering with no audio player (As I believe people would change the standard clarion head unit).

    On the pricing, it is bang for the buck. There is no other sedan in this price range and it would interesting to see how would this impact Myvi sales. When Persona was launched, it enjoyed good feedback but surprisingly it didn’t affect Myvi sales.

    Looking at the pricelist, the B and M line is only RM2000 differences. That RM2000 would give you Airbags, pretensioners, Foglamp, Reverse Sensor, Motorised Mirror, Fabric door panels and alloy rim. I would forsee that more bookings would be made for M line than B line. The RM2000 would cost a few bucks over several years of loan.

    There are some rooms for improvement for Saga and I do hope they would have a H-line model. 1.3L would be sufficient for better fuel economy. For the upcoming H-line model, if they have one, it would be great to have:
    1. Rear power windows
    2. Foldable split 60:40 seats (Just like in some original Saga models) to carry long items (such as a ladder or curtain rail)
    3. ABS + Extra Passenger Airbag
    4. Side signal indicators

    I’m sure there are people who wants the above if priced less than RM45,000.

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  • adunadun (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Q:why only could rolled down window 2/3?
    A: if u want fully rolled down,go buy persona

    Q:Why dont have rear power window? what a poor choice!!!
    A: if u want rear power window.,go buy persona lah

    Of course proton want to protect their investment in Persona.They will only put rear power window if viva drop their price below 30k, which not going to happenlah. Do u still remember, iswara comeout without power stering, now got it. Simpan skit, that strategy loh. Kalau awal-awal dah letak power window,passenger airbag, then no more secret weapon anymore.

    But not nice if their answer customer face to face like that lah. All have hidden agenda.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    To BrakeFader. I do agree with you those features / accessories for H-Line variant for this Saga, if any. Another thumbs up. Hahaha….

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  • abtm (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    SHUT UP! who cares if the window ‘only’ winds down to 2/3? u want to throw ur babies out to the road issit???

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  • jolly_idiot (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    A real budget car I would say. It helps lotsa low earning family to own a decent car with an affordable price. Hope proton may improve better. Btw, any idea the new IAFM can be installed into Gen2 campro? Please advice. Thanks

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  • normaluser (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Dear Sifu Si-Fu

    Is the Waja CPS is the upcoming Waja model codenamed MC-3? The one reported to be supercharged?

    What do u mean the Waja CPS having powerful engine? 127 horsepower is not that powerful for a car that weighs 1200-1300kg.

    How about the throttle response? Hopefully its not as laggy as the existing ones found in current Campro. I’ve seen many auto reporters highlighted their concern on the lack of throttle response from the new saga.

    Thanks

    ==============
    si-fu said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 5:18 pm

    Hi kingbrutal:-

    Hehehehehehe, Let see wat he says after this!
    Regarding Waja CPS, it will be launched by mid this year, the earliest by April. I am not sure wheather both the CPS cars will be launched together or separately, but most probably together! One thing i can reassure u, u wont be dissapointed waiting for the Waja CPS. Even i am pondering of getting one! Hahahahahaha. Its ’super sweet’ i can say. It rides well, handles superbly, powerful engine, SUPERB interior! and fast too! The best part of the car is the engine! It can rev up to 7000rpm EASILY and EFFORTLESSLY, like A HOT KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER!!!! The engine is SUPER SMOOTH!!! Before u know it, u r already hitting the redline!!! Hahahahahaha. Thx to its CPS and VIM!!! I guess i just made u more anxious and excited, i am too actually!

    Cheers!!!

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  • richx (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Apparently, the Waja CPS might be coming out as soon as next week??!! Is that possible? The guy who took my order said his manager’s office has stacks of Waja CPS brochures already. Dunno if he’s just teasing me or not … Haha … As for the bashers, just ignore them and they’ll go away. I went to the test-drive last night with a Civic 2.0 owner who wants to get the Saga for his chick. When I mentioned the rear windows, he said, “Normal lah, my Civic also like that”.

    As for which car to get, I think if we put all the cars available for under RM40k to the Fifth Gear track test, the answer will be obvious (as to which will lap faster).

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  • narrowband (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Based on observation, the reason why rear windows can only be wound down 2/3 is because there isn’t much space in the door to accommodate the entire glass. This is due to the design of the rear door, the bottom-rear of the door panel will curve in to make way for the rear wheel arch.

    The child safety and all that reason – I think it does not make sense. Can children sit in front? Should the front windows be designed so that they cannot be fully wound down too?

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  • narrowband (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    By the way, this rear-window limitation is not an exclusive case to be found on Protons only. Many other makes also like that. So, gentlemen, please don’t harp on such trivial issue anymore.

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    i admit that the SA should know about the window things so they can answer the question that BigFish asked.

    I think proton should beef up the Sales and Marketing segment and of the Service Center people.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    Mr. Normaluser:

    Yes thats the code name for Waja CPS, MC-3 but it wont be supercharged and never was supercharged. I know it doesn’t sound powerfull, but comparing the previous engines that the Waja used, the 4G18 and Campro 1.6, this engine gives a lot of difference. The most significant difference is the way the Campro CPS+VIM ACHIEVES the 127hp and 150Nm torque.

    The laggy throttle response is actually quite hard to notice as a lay person except during manual gear change. The throttle blip is mainly caused by ‘the way’ the ECU is mapped and the ‘language’ limitation to ECU mapping. Currently, Proton is changing the tools( softwares, languages, interfaces) to map the coming ECU’s. This will DEFINITELY eliminate the thorttle blip and improve the throttle response tremendously. However, the throttle response for the Waja CPS and Gen-2 CPS is much much much better then the normal Campro 1.6 and 1.3. Trust me, much much better. I wont deny that there is still blip, but hardly noticeble unless noticed by experience people like Paul. Hehehehehehe! As i said in my previous post, Proton is changing, constantly changing and improving, just give them a chance.

    Cheers!!!

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  • seisan-shisaku (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    lol at the bashers…..some even have their own testing method…lol…without sample/CAD also can test..can determine centre of gravity????? Brilliant…..work in automotive industry la come come…..cost saving maaa…..sure boss love you so much….even promote you to superduperseniorextrapowderful engineer…..no need status 0 status 1 drawing…straight go to mass production lol…..

    And need to cover the empty space beside the engine? Why? lol…..ermmm ample space what ..easy to access…

    met black color …..yay my first car…

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  • ezralimm (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    wow. 320 posts liao.

    kudos Paul Tan.

    Didnt notice more pics were added until few minutes ago.

    The chrome on glossy black logo looks alot better than the previous colorful one. I got a feeling there are gonna be plenty a neo/savvy/gen2/persona with it on the road in a matter of months.

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  • document (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Thanks, Paul. Overall, i hv no much comments on this new generation Proton Saga. A pretty good car. Well done, Proton. Keep it up.
    However, i still do not agree with the meter panel design. The design looks much better compare to the Savvy and Gen-2 but the light colour is not that comfort-RED/ORANGE. I suggest the Proton should refer to the design of the City or Vios’s meter panel. The most suitable light colour would be the WHITE plus RED colour indicating light. This give us a high contrast view and ease for fast reading of the meter panel. Besides, the meter panel layout still need to be improved like City or Vios.
    Another bad things are the central locking knob and the clumsy hump which should be eliminated. I prefer the Thailand version GEN-2 knobs. I also would like the turn indicator and ABS to be included into the next edition of SAGA.
    Hopefully, this car will gain back the trust and satisfaction from the Malaysian and not the frustration or critics. Waiting for the great improvements from Proton in the future!
    Will Proton come out the new 2009 or 2010 SAGA ???? I m curious about it.

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  • document (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    One thing more…… I LIKE the chrome PROTON logo look. WOW! Looks pretty good, stylish and elegant. SIMPLE is Beautiful…. That’s right, man! Check it out.

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  • rose (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I am a woman, thus I know next to nothing about cars. I am an average wage earner. So I can’t afford to keep changing cars nor upkeep a high maintenance. Can someone please tell me which car is better? Proton BLM or Perodua Myvi? Please help.

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    I went to the showroom today to check it out. Our showroom car was a white B-line. It had missing antenna, noisy boot hinges and a chocolate stained roof upholstery.

    It just didn’t feel quite good sitting inside. Felt a bit plain and cramped, but definitely more spacious than Iswara. Mainly I think because I was in the Persona so long, waiting for people to clear off from the saga. Heres the minor issues for me.

    1. The roof upholstery was quite thin and and when pressed it feels like plain cardboard wrapped.

    2. The rubber mouldings on the outer door frames were quite thin and are slightly out of shape.

    3. I hate the sound when I knock my elbow against the door trim. Don’t really mind the dashboard but the door trims should have been soft. I think the M-Line comes with a cloth like insert on the door trim.

    4. Locks were hard to press and pull up, but not much worries as we usually use the remote control.

    5. The coin holder or grip on the door panel has a visible screw, kind of a turn off to see such crude way of installing it.

    6. No independent clock.

    7. Door closing does not sound as good as the Persona, almost like Iswara when it was new.

    8. No signal on the fenders, might cause problems with other drivers in parking lots.

    9. Sun visors are too small.

    What I’m very happy with is…

    1. Rear legroom improved, now people can sit behind me when I drive.

    2. Air con lever or directer or whatever its called is quite solid and not bad to touch. Way better then the ones in Iswara, which breaks after a few years.

    3. Better seats design and higher seating, which means easier to get in and out.

    4. Nice and thick steering wheel.

    5. Nice meters, hopefully the RPM, temperature and fuel indicators don’t go cuckoo.

    6. The door panels are so thick (the width of it) later I checked out the Persona again, it was even thicker. I would assume these provides better protection against impacts, compared to half of the width in Iswara.

    I forgot to check the if the wiper stalk is on the left or right.

    I still cant forget the Persona, so damn nice looking interior, with its short auto gear lever which was real sporty compared to the one in Saga. When opened the Persona door felt like opening into a Honda Accord. S theres my dream car for now. Persona.

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  • freeze (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Anyhow this Saga is definitely better than the previous in almost every way.

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  • BW (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    hehe Freeze, of coz la Persona is a lot better than the new Saga… Just look at the price between those 2 cars… And Persona is like Wira, the middle range of proton while Saga is the low range…

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Proton already do a lot of improvements already. The car quality becomes better while keeping for lower price. No more karat (like old SAGA), drop bumber and side front light (like wira), power window problem (like Waja).
    However, one more factor to keep customer is After Sales Service. Any design flaws (if any) proton must be responsible to recall and provide FOC replacement. Customers’ complains even a very small matter must be taken care so that the next production lots or different models should not carry the same issue. Hence, customer service officers are very improtant to listen and inform to Proton Management for further improvement.
    Does Proton I-Care really serve customer right? Maybe you all can tell your experience dealing with I-Care.

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  • Smallfish (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    I have been practising changing oil every 10000 KM when using Semi-sinthetic, and my old car can still running well. However, P2 model still keeps 5000 Km to change oil eventhough using semi-sinthetic oil. Actually, how do they decide 5K or 10K to change oil. Anyhow, I agree with Proton for 10K Km for changing oil – it save maintenance cost.

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  • mergaztua (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    hai, currently I’m still thinking whether I should order Manual or Auto for proton BML. Please could you all advise me because I want to use rim 16 inch if I use Auto it will drop the car performance alot right, this is my guess. For those expertise in car performance please advise me I really want to buy this proton.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    6. The door panels are so thick (the width of it) later I checked out the Persona again, it was even thicker. I would assume these provides better protection against impacts, compared to half of the width in Iswara.
    ——————————————————–

    true,
    just a little comparison, ‘how far people from inside to outside, (wall thickness),

    just a comparison, no offence to any other makes, as i respect for friends’ preferences,

    myvvi is 112.5mm wall thickness
    08 saga is 162.5mm wall thickness

    well,,,, can always push the interior width limit,
    at the end of the day ,we do need this sense of security (thick wall),

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    @BigFish

    If the 2/3 opening rear window is for kid safety design, why Proton bother to put in child lock function? Furthermore, all manufacturers all over the world never claim this is new invention for kid safety features.
    ——————–
    >>> Well, well, well!!! So all these while, people always complain Proton unsafe la, Proton killed thousands of lives which “could have been saved if only they drive a Toyota/BMW/Volvo/Merc at a price he paid for Proton”, Proton shud close shop coz they’ve murdered Msians, blablabla.

    Here I am, reading for the first time ever, somebody is complaining about Proton putting in child lock function!! What’s wrong? Isn’t that showing Proton “not compromising safety for cost”? Isn’t that showing Proton “caring for the safety of the children”?

    I read somewhere else a topic about why most new car models’ rear windows can’t wind down fully, and I really love this quote:
    “Its because (sadly) car companies are sometimes more concerned with the safety of children than the idiot parents are.”

    How’s that for Proton being caring about the lives it carry? Their engineers must’ve been a very loving and caring father/mother.

    So, what have you against putting child lock function? Just cuz it oredi have 2/3 rear windows opening? So naive. That’s like not wearing seat belt on a car with airbag, if the airbag burst, do you think it will save you or suffocate, burn your skin, and crush your ribs? It takes two to clap.

    And about why “all manufacturers all over the world never claim this is new invention for kid safety features”, they have better things to talk with their super advanced Cambridge/Oxford/MIT/(any top 200 unis) standard safety or green system that’s much more advanced than a no-brain primary school feature thing like this (or even more stupid abt door open 90deg. Heck, so all other cars have oni been able to open 10deg oni is it?). For this exact reasons that there are bashers who would bark endlessly at Proton’s “stone age” tech, and curse for it to close shop.

    @The Unicons
    Wow, poor your uncle, no wonder in 2004, Mercedes is 9th place from the bottom in JD Customer satisfaction survey in US. If you watch Jeremy Clarkson review CLS55 AMG, you’ll know that Jeremy really, really loves the car, but unwilling to buy it if it was his money because “it’s a Mercedes”. Probably that’s the British version of how we would normally say “It’s a Proton, what d’ya expect?”, ahaha. Imagine Msian dare say “It’s a Mercedes, what d’ya expect? Toyota-like reliability?” Nein…..they’d deny and pretend their eh-pen-cif car is made by God ie perfect, wakakakaka. Even then, Toyota oso have probs, nee? ;)

    The moral is: “Pobody’s Nerfect”!! Fanboying a brand cuz one thinks it can never ever break down or hv quality problems is naive and they need to get a life. Or at least listen to “Welcome to My Life” by Simple Plan.

    “To be hurt,
    to feel lost,
    to be left out in the dark,
    to be kicked,
    when you’re down,
    to feel like you’ve been pushed aroun’,
    to be on the edge of breakin’ down,
    and no one’s there to save you,
    no you don’t know what it’s like (to be the Proton MD)
    welcome to my (Datuk Syed Zainal’s) life!!”

    Life…..should be like Marlboro and strawberry milk!! There has always gotta be both bitter (pw rosak) and sweet (Lotus handling roXx!!) moments!! Only then it can be worth living!! Because of that, I will always give my support to Syed Zainal!!

    So anyone of you who still thinks this new Saga is still “same old, same old Proton”, and that your life sux becuz your current Proton always pw rosak, gearbox rosak? Then be reminded that DSZ’s life is 10,000 times worse than yours. Think about the man who has to do the job of ensuring the cars’ QC is international standard. You wanna complain, you gotta know its pricetag. If can’t afford, they stay poor and stupid the way you are.

    The good news is, both Mercedes and Proton seem to have beefed up their effort for QC. I love that fact, cuz they both “sudah terhantuk, baru terngadah”. Yohoho.

    Cheers.

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    mergaztua said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 10:50 pm

    hai, currently I’m still thinking whether I should order Manual or Auto for proton BML. Please could you all advise me because I want to use rim 16 inch if I use Auto it will drop the car performance alot right, this is my guess. For those expertise in car performance please advise me I really want to buy this proton.

    ==========

    me too having the same issue to decide over
    kindly need some guides from the experts….
    pls help…

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    si-fu said,

    January 20, 2008 @ 5:18 pm

    Hi kingbrutal:-

    Hehehehehehe, Let see wat he says after this!
    Regarding Waja CPS, it will be launched by mid this year, the earliest by April. I am not sure wheather both the CPS cars will be launched together or separately, but most probably together! One thing i can reassure u, u wont be dissapointed waiting for the Waja CPS. Even i am pondering of getting one! Hahahahahaha. Its ’super sweet’ i can say. It rides well, handles superbly, powerful engine, SUPERB interior! and fast too! The best part of the car is the engine! It can rev up to 7000rpm EASILY and EFFORTLESSLY, like A HOT KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER!!!! The engine is SUPER SMOOTH!!! Before u know it, u r already hitting the redline!!! Hahahahahaha. Thx to its CPS and VIM!!! I guess i just made u more anxious and excited, i am too actually!

    Cheers!!!

    ======================

    Hi si-fu….

    indirectly you have rev-up the Waja CPS anticipation with your teaser comment. Hope all this is true, as I really enjoyed driving the 4G18 Waja though its power & torque is lower than Campro but it provide the most enjoyable driving pleasure at 2.5K-3.5K rpm….The dashboard has been touched as you quoted/rumour, does the aircond vent still tilted towards driver side? this way of design is similar to BMW & it does proves to be quite elegant & more high-class (at least to me)

    2. Is the exterior have any changes/totally new Waja body been intorduce? I would like to see new headlamp been put forward, the rear thermometer light have a new design or at least touch-up the feel cheap feeling on the rough white cluster.

    3. A wide angle side mirror been retain (like the current right side mirror on Waja) & introduce to the left side as well.

    Last but not lease, the gear box. Bring something new to the gear box, be it a 5speed gear box or at least make fancy thing like a shiftronic gear gate where you have + & -. I think this is only electronically involve for the shiftronic, basically it is the same as the current P-R-N-D-3-2-1 layout. Shiftronic lets you play the gear manually just like you manually pull the lever to 3-2-1, etc. Correct me if I’m wrong on the shiftronic….

    Tq.

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  • zzua (Member) on Jan 20, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    I read cbt-nst this morning, Datuk Syed Zainal promised in a year or two, proton cars achieve high level of quality plus this quality issue is not easy to deal with.. I’m positively sure that he will keep his promises.

    just glad my gf just booked one this evening.. when it comes to cars, she’s just not easy to be pleased. visiting showrooms was our routine and always she had some issues with the choices available whether locally made ones or foreign ones…
    recently she kind of settled with the issues and decided to go for a suzuki swift.. until this evening, when i took her to pandah indah showroom..

    -doors need some getting used to to shut them properly, so as the boot lid, rear windows? hmm .. wheat else? i can live with all that.

    ..to have your loved one satisfies with her decision.. -priceless

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  • F430CS (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:07 am

    V for Vendetta at the back. LOL.

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:20 am

    i went to the showroon ysterday to look at the newborn baby from close…
    i was so nervous to even touch it at first… n then…all i can say was ‘wow!!’
    mybe coz of the excitedness!!!
    heheh
    i really loved the M=line, when i got out of the car after trying it out all i can say tht.. its spacious, loved the interior (except for the door lock knob)… for such a price it is definitely an excellent choice!!!
    i can’t belive tht i’m saying this but here goes……
    i agree with BigFish when it comes to the salesman issue…
    since i went to check out the car with a proton friend of mine we were stunned by the answers given.
    its so sad to know tht these sales rep are not well equiped with the knowledge of the product n also the manufacturers.
    i also got the info saying tht syed zainal is already goin aroud to inspect the sales centres due to tis problems. Thumbs up for him!!
    the reason tht im pointing out this matter is tht, i juz want to remind my fellow bloggers tht DONT BELIEVE EVRYTHING THAT U HEAR!!!!!
    though im a proton supporter, advicing u to get a 2nd opinion coz once u get the wrong idea over somthing it is hard to get rid of it!!!

    p/s please advice me should i take manual or auto coz later on i want to change the rim to 16″ @17″.

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  • richx (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:22 am

    As for the choice of M/T or A/T on the New Saga, I decided to go with the M/T gearbox even though I do not have the slightest idea what it feels like to shift. The showroom I went to didn’t have one. But yeah, I still settled for the M/T because I’ve had bad experience with Mitsubishi A/T units. My mom’s Waja gearbox stopped shifting properly after 7 years. My girlfriend’s 1991 Saga suddenly bled all its ATF onto the road. But then again, it’s a really old car. But what I learnt from that was for long-term reliability (~10 years), M/T is much easier to maintain. No such thing as fill in the wrong fluid.

    On top of that you also get better fuel economy, and you can shift it as hard or as soft as you like depending on driving conditions. This M/T unit should be a Nissan unit, so perhaps clutch pads have to buy Nissan parts. The M/T unit is also a good 20KG lighter.

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  • topgunthang (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:45 am

    to not buy your loved ones and yourself a proton…..priceless

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  • chlow (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:17 am

    hi all, i when to Pudu showroom and sit in the driver seat in the new saga. I felt that the steering is not in the center. it is about 2 to 3cm to the left from the center. it is normal?
    the steering is also about 10 degree shifted to the front on the right side? it is normal?
    anyone feel the same?

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:20 am

    to MR bigFish,

    whats wrong with you man??you are actually living in the world of your own and you want everyone else to be in it..i mean think in your own weird way!!

    whatever photographic lesson/knowledge you have is pure crap…

    anyway..to answer your question:
    check the pic with side view of the frontal collision..did you notice the airbag is fully deploy and still in its full expanding capacity?this means this photo was taken during the impact..because after the impact the airbag will lose it volume to at lease 1/3…so this pic was taken with a high speed camera..ant this explains why the tyre is not perfectly round…because its still under load from the impact…and it deformed to this extend!!understand??

    the second lower pic..again dont look at the tyre alone..look at the entire pic…and u will easily notice its taken from a lower pixel camera or the image has be resized by someone..using any software..and its not photoshop of version of dacia logan or whatever crap u mentioned..
    the glass volume u mentioned..this was the real joke man..what makes you think pic one and pic 2 was the same car??and what makes you think that the windows were open??ok nevermind that but when u mention why it was red..u made a fool out of yourself….the colours usually painted to make it more visible like how the pics showed the deformed tyre clearly..if its black..it would be harder to notice…check how other manufacturers test their cars..not EURO NCAP k…i am talking about other manufacturers…in house crash tests!!check then u will get a clear pic!!

    and about the lighting…how can you be sure the top pic and the lower pic taken at the same place, same angle an all??

    and about the glass…normally car in europe have tinted glass like proton’s safe tint..to make sure the glass sticks together even if its broken…not your so called double glazing!!!!dont lie to people here and make up your own assumtions ok???? it is all tempered glass…and the front glass piece is usually two piece glass which two layers of glass is heated to form a single piece…tempered glass will break such a way shown on the pic..if you dont believe me try breaking your car window..it will break into tiny pieces because its very brittle…your knowledge is very shallow man…please man buck up…dont be a blind basher…please learn to accept the fact!!

    http://bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150/

    check this link above..why the tyre is white??

    rest of the pic…find yourself…

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:44 am

    To misspurple and mergaztua:-

    The Saga base model has a wheel size of 175/70 R13. This gives us an OD (overall diameter) of :-

    1inch = 25.4mm
    Half of 13inch = 6.5inch = 165.1mm
    Section height = 70% * 175mm = 122.5
    So the OD is = 165.1 + 122.5 = 287.6mm

    The rule in upsizing or downsizing a wheel is to keep the orignal OD of the car’s wheel with +/- 3%. This is to ensure the braking system is not affected and the speedometer reading is not deviated. So the possible upgrades or upsizing that can be done with the new Saga is:-

    -185/60 R14 (the M Line tyre size)
    -185/55 R15
    -190/50 R15
    -195/45 R16
    -190/45 R16
    -195/40 R17

    My suggestion is, if u guys dont want to loose the comfort much, try to use combination with 50-series and above tyres. These are just some of my calculated suggestions only. U guys too can calculate using the formula above to choose the best wheel suited to ur choices. Regardless of these, i guess whether choosing a MT or an AT is not an issue anymore. AT or MT solely depends on your driving preferences, ur fuel consumption worries (AT higer FC), whether u guys drive alot in jam or not (i’ll choose AT if i drive alot in jam, easier), maintanance cost(AT higher maintainance since need to change AT fluid every 40000km), and so on, and so on. Hope i have helped you guys to make a choice.
    P/s – Sorry to hear abt the SA’s. I know they really lack knowledge on the product. However, these problem is currently being rectified. Hope you guys can hang on!

    To chanel:-

    The profile of the dash is still the same, how ever the center console layout has been changed. The interior has been given an exquisite touch to give an expensive look. The leather seats comes with better texture, softer and more comfortable. The mirrors are still the same though.

    The shiftronic or steptronic is not same as changing gear from L to 2 to 3 and to D. Its different, the + and – minus sign is actually a totally different system, like the Savvy AMT has. Savvy AMT actually uses a manual gear box with an advance actuator and hydraulic system controlled by a special computer (TCU), wat it does is actually each time u push to + or -, rather then u pressing the clutch and moving the gear lever, the system does it for u in a split second. When u put it to D or R, the TCU tells the system to change gears with a preset engine speed interval. Its abit too lengthy too explain here but i hope u get the basic idea of it.

    The AT version doesn’t have shiftronic or steptronic, however theWaja CPS AT has gated gear shift. The gated gear shift is like normal AT gear, its just that u dont need to push a button to change gear. Each gear in the gated gear shift has a grove to give a gate effect to hold or to lock the gear in place. The gear knob for the gated gear shift looks good too in the Waja CPS.

    Hope this info helped u guys.
    Cheers!!!

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  • m08 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:48 am

    I truely admire bigfish for his effort, but everyone knows it is a very serious offence to ‘use’ someone else’s pic (in this case the logan) and modify it to looks like theirs (proton). Proton could be sued for hundred of millions or even billions for that “stupid artist’s photoshop skill”.
    And to make the story more interesting, even act like CSI and pretend to know everything about photography and ‘photoshop’ing, even though he just learned it from his brother. I’m pretty sure with that small resolution, you won’t be able to examine the pictures due to pixalation during picture enlagement in photoshop. oh yes, that’s why you see smaller object blur more than the bigger object in the picture.
    And, do you realise there is such thing as global illumination, indirect lighting and reflection? i guess not. I’m not going to go deep into graphic or 3D language, but we all learn science in school right? we know that yellow object will absorb all other colour in light spectrum and reflect the yellow light. this reflected colour will be picked up by the nearby object. try put yellow object on a piece of white A4 paper and you will see a yellow gradient on the paper close to the object. this can be related to bigfish’s argument on the red colour bled onto the floor surface. and why they painted the tyre with yellow and red? simply to mark and record the speed and other factor in the collision test. the test are usually recorded in a high speed camera up to 2000 pictures per second, or 1 pictures in 0.0005 second, just like gaban. hehe.
    and yes, not all car have shatterproof glass on every window. usually, only on windshield. if you don’t believe me, try hit you car window, and then blame to proton for power window failure to withstand an impact :) to install safety film similar to shatterproof glass would cost me close to RM2k on my waja.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:23 am

    Here I am again!

    I seriously dunno wats wrong with Big HEADED Fish!!! WIndow issue fully wind down, now crash issue he winds up!!! U think Proton is stupid to Photoshop a crash test? Do you there are official claims the new Saga exceeeds European, Gulf and Australian Specs? Read today’s CBT. As prem3377, definitely u have VER SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE AND TALK BIG!!! Do u think Proton would dare to claim that if there crash tests were fake??? Are YOU CRAZY???

    Do you know where Proton does its crash tests? So dont simply talk big!!! Proton didn’t simply spend 440million ringgit to produce a car with fake crash test results! Proton crash test are usually done in Idiada, Spain. Usullly 5 DIFFERENT CARS are prepped and sent there to be tested. The reason 5 is once a test is done on 1 car, it cant BE USED AGAIN!!! U think, this one like kedai Ah Beng ah, ketuk ketuk balik and use back the same car? U must be out of ur mind. There are many crash test done, front crash, side impact, rear crash, roof crash, pole crash. These are the common crash test done! EACH ONE OF IT NEEDS DIFFERENT CARS!!!

    The reason for the glass to shatter, is because the cabin compartment is quite air thight. Thats why when u sit inside the car, and close the door, there is a buzz in ur ear drums due to the pressure difference. All CARS THAT UNDERGOES FOR THE SIDE CRASH TEST, THEIR GLASS SHATTERS!!! That is if u ever seen a crash test pic before!!! This happens because when the wall hits u at 30km/h to 40km/h, it builds up a hig pressure in the cabin, The only way the pressure escapes, through the glass!!!

    The only way a manufacturer can claim officially that their car has scored stars in a crash test if the test is done by a certified body like EuroNcap. If not, u cant claim it has 3 stars or 4 stars or watever stars. The test that is done in Idiada, Spain is only a lab test, done and evaluated under STRICT guidelines of certified bodies like EuroNcap. So, rather then they claim the cars have stars, they claim the car have exceeded European, Gulf and Australian crash standards. These countries have certain crash standard and safety requirements in order for their cars to be sold there. UNDERSTAND!!!!!

    U R JUST ONE SICK, FAULT FINDING PERSON, BIG HEADED PERSON!!!

    Cheers!!!

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Hi Again,

    Sorry some typo error in my previous comments. It should read like this in the first parag:-

    I seriously dunno wats wrong with Big HEADED Fish!!! Window issue fully wind down, now crash issue he winds up!!! U think Proton is so stupid to Photoshop a crash test? Do you know that there are official claims and statements that the new Saga exceeds European, Gulf and Australian CRASH STANDARDS? Read today’s CBT. As prem3377 said, definitely u have VERY VERY VERY SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE AND ONLY KNOW HOW TO TALK BIG!!! Do u think Proton would dare to claim as such(exceeds European, Gulf and Australian CRASH STANDARDS), if the crash tests were fake??? Are YOU CRAZY???

    Cheers!!!

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  • m08 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:03 am

    I guess i’m wasing my time arguing with ikanbesar about the ‘photographic evidence’ and his photoshop skill. Should have let the master (si-fu) give all the fact and the ikan will be fried.
    Anyway, I like this saga very much. Too bad I just bought a waja 7 months ago, if not i would have book this car. And now new waja with cps coming soon, just 1 year after i bought, then come new version? tak acii… tak adil.. waaaa….
    Erm, Si-fu, will there be H-Line for the new saga?

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:32 am

    To m08:-

    Currently there wont be any H-Line version for the Saga. However i personally think, the management will see and study the market needs and response from current situation and MAYBE they might decide to come out with the H-Line version.

    Regarding the Crash Test, something that i left out, The New Saga Crash Test result were EQUIVALENT to a 3-star crash rating overall.

    Cheers!!!

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  • Infinitt (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:09 am

    Already book one..black color..Just wanna congrats proton for this 2nd new baby under DSZ. Selamat maju jaya. Proton boleh.

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  • Prem3377 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:21 am

    sifu,

    lucky u corrected it…i was wonder why were you say i am shallow minded too..haha

    was reading wat i posted time and time again..

    anyway thanks for the info…and one last question…the mpv is going to be using 1.6 engine or larger capacity???pls answer or atleast give a hint..thanks

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  • MisterBenjo (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:23 am

    BigFish I think u are a moron by giving that stupid photoshop theory.
    Dacia Logan and Saga also u dont know how to differentiate.I think Paul already fed up with your stupid comments, same like us. Go create your own blog, because we feel sick everytime we read your comments.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:28 am

    misspurple said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 12:20 am

    p/s please advice me should i take manual or auto coz later on i want to change the rim to 16″ @17″.
    ———
    If you stay at Klang Valley and facing daily jam on the way to work. It is better take auto for practicality.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:39 am

    tokmoh said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 10:57 pm

    @BigFish

    If the 2/3 opening rear window is for kid safety design, why Proton bother to put in child lock function? Furthermore, all manufacturers all over the world never claim this is new invention for kid safety features.
    ——————–
    >>> Well, well, well!!! So all these while, people always complain Proton unsafe la, Proton killed thousands of lives which “could have been saved if only they drive a Toyota/BMW/Volvo/Merc at a price he paid for Proton”, Proton shud close shop coz they’ve murdered Msians, blablabla.

    Here I am, reading for the first time ever, somebody is complaining about Proton putting in child lock function!! What’s wrong? Isn’t that showing Proton “not compromising safety for cost”? Isn’t that showing Proton “caring for the safety of the children”?
    ————
    You misquote me, I am not complain about the installation child lock.

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  • narrowband (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 7:29 am

    Go for Manual Transmission.

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  • WreaKing (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Not the worst looking car and definately not the best looking car either. Decent and up to market requirement. At last Proton woke up and smell the air. Hope the service center would not be sleeping all the way.
    Looking forward to test drive the car and see if it really worth our hard earned money.
    Keep it up Proton!

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  • mohdjiman (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 9:31 am

    spacious than persona – the back seat. my next car?maybe. :)

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:11 am

    BigFish said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 5:13 pm

    PHOTO 1:
    I think you never see the real crash test or from crash test video clips or REAL EVENTS. Everything only from photos. Go to www.euroncap.com. For example the Volvo C30 (2007 model) side impact result. You can see the glass / window also brake into pieces. Don’t tell me the glass / window still “stick together” as you said when 50KM/h (30mph) impact is put on the glass / windows doesn’t brake into pieces!!!!!

    Photos – everything will be “stop” or “pause” once you took the photos. So, those side impact photos that you saw mostly are because they took it at the moment the impact just happend and not all a bit longer or the way through it finished.

    You want to see what happen next, look at the video clips.

    PHOTO 2:
    You know why all those tyres have been painted and the colour of the car so blured instead of shining looking car? This is so called the internal testing and more like a early stages of crash tests by car manufacturers as all this will be digitize in digital format into computer to anaylize. Improvements will be made stage by stage again if necessary until the final products is finished. Only then you can see those shining looking cars retest again by each manufacturers including those like in the EuroNCAP web site as final results. For EuroNCAP, they will see the end results only and not necessary for them to digitize into their computer again.

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  • kody (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:29 am

    wahlaueh…

    hot…HOT topic…. & many xxx comments… lazy to read all…
    My personal opinion feel that not bad from P1. I am P1 basher… but i still think we need to really step in & feel then only can give correct comment for this long….long await SAGA.

    Regarding changing RIM & tyre. Any one can searh in internet for wheel size conversion. this is to check varience for original to new wheel diameter which will affect speedometer reading (plus or less km/h as compare to original wheel)

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  • joeysis (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Frankly speaking, the out look still acceptable, but the interior is too plastic feel and look cheap especially the central panel, very very old fashion. I think this only canbeat Proton own car, maybe Viva also, but definitely not Myvi. Check out also the sound when close the door also. I go with the showroom wit my Myvi, just park infront the showroom, the salesman don even dare to say anything when i critisise the Saga. There’s only one thing it can proud of it is the PRICE. For ppl who cant even afford a Viva can really consider this, if u don mind inside is too plastic feel.

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  • ahsk1 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Have been reading comments on this blog for months but never been interested to post until this new saga came out. Went to two dealers to check out the car (both b line auto). Exterior design is nice but interior not as nice as persona but comparable to Myvi. Wanted to see a manual (to check whether the gear is as high as the photos). Also wanted to see a M line to check out the differences but also not available.

    Test driven a persona previously and plan to test drive this saga to compare but don’t think the drive will be good as persona but probably better than Myvi.

    Overall, good value for money.

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 10:58 am

    tokmoh said,
    January 19, 2008 @ 10:14 pm

    ==agreed, is more powerful than myvi, because it has bigger engine cc. more powerful than wira 1.5 because 1.3 campro is new generation engine and hv additional 4 valves. somemore hv this IAFM to help out. it has to be better if not will be dissapointed.
    is good to hv this model with that price as especially for first time car owner.

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:01 am

    mr bigfish, (by the way,.. have you paid your annual royalty to Burger King for using their product trade mark..?. if not , you better use different nick)

    What you said so far :

    1) people who like Proton cars are all Proton salesman. FALSE. I like proton cars, and I owned a Proton car,.. but I am not, and never work as a Proton salesman or promoting Proton cars to anybody to get rewarded as salary or commission. I believe this also true for thousands other Proton car owners. We are not Proton salesman.

    2) Rear window can’t be opened fully so the New Saga is a lousy product. FALSE. People who bought other makes (which are more pricier) never complained about their 1/3 or 2/3 or whatever small opening on their rear windows. Only YOU and YOU who complaned on this, because it is a Proton car.

    3) Proton faking-up their crash test results. FALSE. You create false stories and more false statements just to satisfy yourself and degrading the others. You claimed you magnified the crash test photos and did your owned CSI-styled investigation on the photos. ( .. ??? ) what can i say, you are really childish and more or less a very self centric soul with nothing else to do..? wake up man,.. other than spending hours of your time looking for others fault, why don;t you go out and have a cofee with your girlfriends, or go take a vacation somewhere.

    4) and more other things and stetement and claims which i think not worth anything other than some piles of rubbish talks. That includes you type of “Quality Assessment Test” which ketuyk-ketuk here, bang – bang door here,.. scratch here and there,. you know,,.? that really shows you a very lonely type of person whose really need a special attention and something to be corrected in you mind before you go out and see people. You better work for a defence and military manufacturer where you can ketuk-ketuk and bang – bang the door of the Army Tanks before they’re out of the production lines.

    whatever la mr BigFish. hope you will grow up and be a matured person very soon.

    :peace:

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  • ganz (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:04 am

    hail to r BIG FISH.. he is our own Jeremy Clarkson kekekeke

    willing to sacrifice and spent lots of time to find a small detail of ant defect..

    i think proton better give him one unit of tis saga for two or three week, for him to strip off all components..and come out with his own fault defect.. which i think more than 400 pages of defect..

    already saw the saga but unable to test drive..

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  • xavear (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:07 am

    nice front design…

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  • scottloeb (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Si-fu,

    Jangan ambil hati la bro. Maybe later can ask Big Fish to come up with DCS for RR window glass to MSG or TSG and quote them. Request for double curvature and see la wheteher can still manage the total cost planed. Or even better, take him as Cost planner + CAE/CAD Engineer/Designer even contributing in Styling Dept. Hey, that sounds like TM, no?
    Kudos to the gang la at ED – Body design. Powertrain and ED Equip as well. A job well done (but still need kaizen la bnyk improvement still needed)

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:18 am

    BigFish said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 9:55 am

    si-fu said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 9:42 am

    Hello Everyone!

    Generally:
    This 2/3 window wind down at the back is common nowdays, as most manufacturers uses it as a cost cutting measure. SEE OTHER CARS, LIKE PERODUA, TOYOTA, HONDA(A and B segment cars) and so on, they have similar ‘design constraints’ and its quite common in the automovite design industry. Another thing Mr. Big Fish, I would like to remind you that A CHILD LOCK SAFETY FEATURE ONLY PREVENTS THE CHILD FROM UNLOCKING THE DOOR NOT UNWINDING THE WINDOW!!!
    ————
    Your first reasoning “common” and “cost cutting” and “design constraint” have some basis.

    But to say it is for child safety reason, there is no “official” claim from any manufacturer! Normally central window lock at driver seat is function as to “disable” rear button to prevent child play with the window is commonly available in the market, including Waja.

    ==mate, there’s official claim before, i just couldn’t remember where they i hv read beforem maybe BS standards or manufacturers. anyway, don’t bother to find it, can be searched.

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  • farghmee (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:35 am

    if i’m not mistaken, this saga comes with real spare tyre, not the small&tiny one like “kereta sorong”. i find it (saga) very convenient, in case if the spare tyre needs to be replaced. consider this case: one of my friend owns a car that uses this small&tiny spare tyre told me that it was difficult to find one if the spare tyre exhausted due to wear&tear.

    moreover, my suggestion is, proton should make the hinges at the doors to be more easy to shut. the current design is good, but i wish the hinges to be “smoother” i.e. less effort to make the doors shut, like most in continental cars.

    PEACE :)

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  • nuzzary (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:39 am

    all the 2/3 winding problem.. try having a 5 year old at the back.. then maybe you understand how good window 2/3 unwind is.

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:42 am

    The Unicons said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 1:35 pm

    ==myvi hv 2 nuts holding the bumper and it is beside the tail lights. can agree with u that’s dont consider design flaw. once the boot closes we don’t see it anyway. same as those nuts, hinges at the doors or bonnets when opened. hahaha.

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  • ahsk1 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:46 am

    Nice exterior. Interior not so nice as persona but comparable to Myvi. Price wise very good.

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  • scottloeb (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Oh ya, include the QTR window as well. The first QTR window for Waja is made in Japan by Asahi Glass (i pon lupa, check the Waja on the street).

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  • scammer (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    After reading all the comments…my assessment on Bigfish..
    i dontreally know this guy..by my honest evaluation :-
    1) Someone who is very frustrated bcoz he doesnt have enough money to buy nicer cars other that Proton, Naza, and Perodua..so the fact he can only buy local products really pissed him off as he is a constant basher of local products. Just go to Korea and see if you can find cars from foreign makes on the road and you’ll be thankfull that u can still buy Honda, Toyota etc in Malaysia..IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT..which i am sure many people do but sadly not you…
    2) Someone who is not technically knowledgeable on automotive technologies and test requirements but really have the determination to show that he is technically good..but sadly..NOT!!..
    3) Someone who is having the thought of getting a new SAGA but feel very shy to admit it as all his friends know him as a Proton basher..
    4) A self-proclaimed pro’photographer’ who can assess pictures just by looking physically in Paultan’s blog…wat a blatent LIE..!!
    CONCLUSION..
    Bigfish..Pls shut up as your comments are disrecpectful to Proton engineers and the customers who are already booked the SAGA…

    My assessment on SAGA:
    1) decent car with decent price and decent quality and decent specs..styling also OK..

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    To tec96248. Agreed. Hahaha…. Getting funnier when somebody is looking for those so called “Flaws”, “Unwanted Features” & “Rough Work” which is actually not.

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  • xylencia (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    BigFish said,
    Look at the car boot, I open it and noticed there are 5 nut+washer to hold the rear bumper. The smooth line of bumper suddenly disrupted by this nuts. This is “rough work”, and the nuts shall fix it from behind t have a clean bumper finish. Perhaps Proton should rectify this “unwanted feature”.

    ———————————–

    I doubt many here cares what you think, much less Proton, since you obviously repeatedly fail to see that cuts have to be made to ensure a car is cheap and affordable for all. If you want to incldue everything and have a fine finish on everything. How much do you think the Saga will cost? Even with the City and Vios priced above RM70k, their refinements is rubbish.

    What more a car priced less than half of that?

    Imbecile.

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  • xylencia (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Got to hand it to BigFish for his dedication and somewhat idiocity in pointing out flaws.

    In a nutshell, I doubt anyone here cares about BigFish’s comments, much less Proton. Since it is glaringly obvious that he is MISSING THE POINT.

    If the Saga or any other Proton has the refinements he keeps complaining about, it wouldn’t be cheap and affordable for everyone to own.

    Consider this, a City or Vios may cost somewhere in between 50 odd to 60k at least if not for the Tax imposed on them. But are they any better than current generation Proton’s? I know for a fact that they are in no way superior. Especially in terms of the “refinement” that BigFish cannot seem to let go off. The City and Vios is rubbish from start to finish. There is nothign worth mentioning about their interior, handling or even looks for that matter. Even space is nothing to shout about.

    So why complain about Proton when they are doing the best they can to ensure that everyone at least has a car to drive. It’s not that people don’t care about refinements, but when put into perspective and hierarchy of needs. Which is more important? The ability to own something moderate that takes you where u need to be? Or a car with a nice boot that doesn’t show five ugly nuts but is too expensive to buy?

    Stop thinking like a Flower Horn.

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  • xylencia (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Opps, sorry for double post.

    It earlier said that “Similiar post detected” or something. So I thought it didn’t go thru.

    Sorry Paul.

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  • KL-ATR (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:57 pm

    I think Proton has done really well with the front. Very pleasant and attractive face. Rear looks squashed and tall but overall, a good effort by Proton.

    Looking at the positive market reaction, I think Proton should have done this a lot earlier, before Gen2. And I hope they will finally stop selling the old Saga/Iswara range. The third generation Lancer which the Saga was based on got rated as the most dangerous car in the US in the late 80’s. That rating was based on fatalities and injuries sustained from actual accidents, not lab tests.

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 12:58 pm

    BigFish,

    Please don’t give Burger King a bad name by using their copyrighted product Trade Mark but all the time showing your shallow knowledge of everything around you. Day by day you look more and more like a 3 year old kid whose using destructive methods to play with toys, then cry to his momma that the toy is broken.

    Wake up and be a more mature person.

    :peace:

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  • KF (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    At less than RM40000 for a 1.3L sedan car, the New Saga should sell well.
    The interior looks simple and functional. Plenty of rear leg and head room and the boot space looks impressive. Tyre size is a common choice where one can easily find other brands.

    About this BigFish fella. I think he has his right to voice out his opinions, whether you all like it or not.

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  • KL-ATR (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    xylencia said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 12:23 pm

    Consider this, a City or Vios may cost somewhere in between 50 odd to 60k at least if not for the Tax imposed on them. But are they any better than current generation Proton’s? I know for a fact that they are in no way superior. Especially in terms of the “refinement” that BigFish cannot seem to let go off. The City and Vios is rubbish from start to finish. There is nothign worth mentioning about their interior, handling or even looks for that matter. Even space is nothing to shout about.
    ————————————–
    I understand that you’re miffed with BigFish and your reply was to him but I cannot ignore what you’ve said above.

    This reminds me of a comment from a so called BMW owner who claimed that the Vios his wife bought drove just like his 3 series. Frankly, if he cannot tell the difference between a 3-series and a Vios, he had no reasons to get a BMW. Heck, go buy 3 Vios of different colours for the same price! So likewise, if you cannot tell the refinement difference between Proton and Honda/Toyota, and the space differences, well, you know where I’m getting to.

    I know there are some people who just have sensory deficiencies. No fault of theirs… but to try and argue about it when they do, that gets on my nerves.

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  • IsaacVky (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    joeysis said,

    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am

    Wow sounds like you got a million ringgit Myvi there.

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  • faizazmi (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:23 pm

    I just book Saga for my first ever car in the Platinum Centre, MD last night.(been driving my mom’s Kancil for a year plus already). Proud to be the future owner of the new Saga!! Got myself Dark grey metallic color. Will definitely get the new sport rim, tint the windows, and etc. Any other ideas ?? hehe., Sadly tho, now the waiting time is 2-3 months. Darn..

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    All original photos have been taken by high speed video camera and still camera. This is only a printed copy. If you want the original high quality photos and videos, perhaps you can try to ask from Proton (Tanjung malim plant).

    The crash test photos which available in Paul’s blog, is low pixel / quality format. So if you enlarge those photos, sure get blured. How you can see clearly and give you professional analysis? Those high speed video camera and still camera are so much superior than your SLR!!!!

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    xylencia said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 12:16 pm

    “How much do you think the Saga will cost? Even with the City and Vios priced above RM70k, their refinements is rubbish.

    What more a car priced less than half of that?”

    ==i don’t agreed that city or vios refinements is rubbish, because it is better. even more better if the price is lower. but then, this saga is acceptable for that kind of rubbish. infact no comment for a very basic entry level cars.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=122205

    2008 BMW 5 Series Gets Low Marks in Crash Tests
    Date posted: 08-16-2007

    ARLINGTON, Virginia — Noting that “luxury doesn’t always buy safety,” the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety on Thursday said the 2008 BMW 5 Series is the “worst performer” out of six cars in new side-impact crash tests. The 5 Series, described as “one of the most expensive models tested,” got the second lowest rating of “Marginal” for side-impact protection

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    xylencia said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 12:16 pm

    ==i don’t agreed with that. u don’t hv to use vios or city to compare with saga 08. because those models are more expensive and it is better refinements in comparison. i did my personal comparison with my colleage. afterall, shouldn’t be complaint much of the saga with the selling price. this car, saga 08 indeed a good choice with rm40k budget as new car.

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  • KF (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    for a 1.3L sedan costing less than RM40000, I think the new SAGA is worthwhile. It has almost everything you would want from a sedan i.e economical engine, large boot space, spacious interior and simple yet functional dashboard. I would buy it had I not bought the Savvy.

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  • atkop (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Dear Si-Fu

    i’ve been waiting, er, no.. yearning for the cps equipped engine to arrive since the 1st gen2 was launched with a “misleading” pretext engine name of CAMPRO, back….. a good while ago.

    you hv revealed a teaser which can not end just there, please reveal more, below are my uneducated questions and curiosities, i hope you can shed some light in it. cheers!

    Q1
    how does this new cps engine stands up when compare to other vvt equipped engine interm of power and performance? how do you reckoned that the engine will stand up against for example the venerable NA 1.6l vtec b16a or b from honda, say in a quarter mile drag race between the same weight, same gear ratio, a std b16a equipped ek civic 4 doors vs waja/gen dua std cps equipped ? although the b16a max torque came at a later rpm compare to the cps, but since the timing to max rev of b16a is pretty quick, and since the most powerful b16a variant (found in eg9/6, ek4?, b16b-ek9 180+hp) has a max hp of 170 bhp on the flywheel.. can i still put my money on the pride and joy of the malaysian?

    Q2
    do you reckoned that the proton management will allow consumer to buy only stock cps engine, or stock cps engine with tranny + ecu/tcu? reason being is to the existing proton user whom bought the previous car with campro -ve the freedom to “freshen” up their car with the lastest, greatest and long awaited proton technology or/and for the sunway tuner to further express their creativity in the local motorsports industries. at the moment, the trend of modifying car, proton car to be precised (and interm of performance) is very much limited to, among others, the frequent visit to kedai potong and source out “help” from the mitsubishi halfcut, either from evo or the mivec equipped. the market is there, small thou, but still there i reckoned

    Q3
    will there be any “guideline” so to say provided or leaked, of which explaining the true potential of the cps engine interm of maxing the hp or torque with/or without aftermaket equipment? say wilder cams from etc like toda, jun? piggy back config ecu say from haltech or motec? do you know where R3 motosports division stands at them moment to further improve the local motorsports scenery, are they heading up to the direction of what ralliart did for mitsu or nismo for nissan, or mugen for honda? it is better to see own local brand engine to be installed rather than “other manufactured engine” in the R3 waja FR, IMHO. (granted that rules of thumb says that u need aleast 200hp on flywheel in order to make FR “competative”)

    thank you

    —-

    regarding Waja CPS, it will be launched by mid this year, the earliest by April. I am not sure wheather both the CPS cars will be launched together or separately, but most probably together! One thing i can reassure u, u wont be dissapointed waiting for the Waja CPS. Even i am pondering of getting one! Hahahahahaha. Its ’super sweet’ i can say. It rides well, handles superbly, powerful engine, SUPERB interior! and fast too! The best part of the car is the engine! It can rev up to 7000rpm EASILY and EFFORTLESSLY, like A HOT KNIFE THROUGH BUTTER!!!! The engine is SUPER SMOOTH!!! Before u know it, u r already hitting the redline!!! Hahahahahaha. Thx to its CPS and VIM!!! I guess i just made u more anxious and exc

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  • nmh (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    I hope they will update savvy interior according to this…then savvy will sell like hot cakes…oh one more thing replace savvy engine with this brilliant campro 1.3 engine and 1.6 if possible ( i guess move the battery to the boot to give way) and 2 doors savvy also sweet what

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    To nmh. The engine compartment of savvy can not fit in the Campro 1.3 and 1.6. If not, for sure Proton already fitted in Campro 1.3 to its Savvy long time ago. Perhaps in the future Proton will produce smaller engine capacity when they wanted to replace Savvy totally, if Proton still looking for A segment cars.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Remember nmh, the Savvy is the A-segment (small car). What’s for to have 1.3 engine or even 1.6? If Proton still intend to produce A-Segment car, than it should always being kept under 1.3 engines.

    Gen.2 already got 1.3 and 1.6. Persona 1.6, Satria Neo 1.3 and 1.6. Waja 1.6. Saga 1.3.

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    sifu.
    thanks a lot on ur advice abt the transmission n
    the wheel upsizing issue…
    really appreaciate it!

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  • KY (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    I think this one’s a winner!

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 5:33 pm

    KL-ATR, very good comments bro, and quite funny as well.

    “This reminds me of a comment from a so called BMW owner who claimed that the Vios his wife bought drove just like his 3 series. ”

    one things for sure, I CAN ASSURE YOU that the vios in no way, drives anything like the 3 series, whether it may be an E30, E36, E46, or the E90. period.

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  • KL-ATR (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    @BanyakMasukWorkshop, I know. I’ve sat in the E30 and it was nice. I’ve driven the E36 328i without the owner around and man… I wanted to take that car home! But he knows where I live so heck. I should take my bro-in-law’s E46 328i for a spin before he upgrades but I’m afraid I’ll get hooked and take it off his hand. Then again, I still love my 4G63T. There are not many cars who can leave all those motorbikers behind at the red light.

    Anyway, coming back to the topic, I think would be buyers should restrict the comparison within the price range instead of looking for the next cheapest sedan. Afterall, the closest sedan in the price range is from Proton too.

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    joeysis said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am

    Frankly speaking, the out look still acceptable, but the interior is too plastic feel and look cheap especially the central panel, very very old fashion. I think this only canbeat Proton own car, maybe Viva also, but definitely not Myvi. Check out also the sound when close the door also. I go with the showroom wit my Myvi, just park infront the showroom, the salesman don even dare to say anything when i critisise the Saga.
    =========================
    so what do u expect from that salesman?? bash ur car??
    prrrfthh typical malaysian do test on the car.. slamp the door hear the sound can can judge overall car OK or otherwise

    prrrfthh

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    peYno said,

    January 21, 2008 @ 7:05 pm

    joeysis said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am

    Frankly speaking, the out look still acceptable, but the interior is too plastic feel and look cheap especially the central panel, very very old fashion. I think this only canbeat Proton own car, maybe Viva also, but definitely not Myvi. Check out also the sound when close the door also. I go with the showroom wit my Myvi, just park infront the showroom, the salesman don even dare to say anything when i critisise the Saga.
    =========================
    so what do u expect from that salesman?? bash ur car??
    prrrfthh typical malaysian do test on the car.. slamp the door hear the sound can can judge overall car OK or otherwise..
    ———————————–
    other people go to the showroom with bmw but more down to earth than you..

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  • nitrofang (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    hmm, i own a year 2000 wira 1.8 DOHC 16v sedan. no, its not the one with the tiang gol. but it is the normal sedan. is it worthwhile to sell off my wira for this new saga?

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  • Wide86 (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    so..
    can i ask how is the safety ?
    i mean how many safety star could get with the new proton SAGA ?

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    prrrfthh
    he owns myvi and he thinks he drives a REAL JAPANESE car

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  • nanashisan (Member) on Jan 21, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    went again to showroom today…
    the saleswoman said that first 3000 units will be delivered by next week or early feb before CNY. i booked before the softlaunch. she said there are around 30 plus of proton dealer nationwide. maybe each dealer will be allocated 10 cars, i guess.

    about upsizng wheels, does it void the proton warranty?? my younger sister wanna go beng the saga. hehehe

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  • wong (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 12:12 am

    joeysis said,

    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am
    Check out also the sound when close the door also. I go with the showroom wit my Myvi, just park infront the showroom, the salesman don even dare to say anything when i critisise the Saga
    ——————————————————————
    Wow!! Your Myvi must be the world’s greatest car,that’s why the salesman got panicked!!

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  • m08 (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 12:38 am

    joeysis said,

    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am
    Check out also the sound when close the door also. I go with the showroom wit my Myvi, just park infront the showroom, the salesman don even dare to say anything when i critisise the Saga.
    ———
    You went there just to criticise the Saga? Then, the salesman is much, much more polite than you. Well, his job is not to argue/fight with you. He’s there only to enlighten you, to answer anything that you need to know about Saga. Try to be humble and ask nicely. In this case, the salesman is doing his job properly and you have fulfilled your ‘desire’ to bash Proton in Proton’s showroom. Car is just a transport, for you to get to your destination. No need to carry you ego with it anywhere you go. And hey, not only you have Myvi.

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 12:46 am

    “si-fu”

    don’t have latest comment yet….anyway thanks for your input on the upcoming Waja CPS

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  • zzua (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 1:01 am

    saga..
    saga is more than a car.
    saga is a perspective.
    and proton wants to share it with us, malaysians.

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Hi everyone!

    To atkop:-

    Q1:
    Compared to other VVT engines like from Toyota and CVTC engines from Nissan, The Campro 1.6 CPS fairs as follows:-

    Campro 1.6 CPS : 127hp and 150Nm
    Toyota 1.8 VVTI : 126hp and 165Nm
    Nissan 1.6 CVTC : 109hp and 153Nm
    Nissan 1.8 CVTC : 126hp and 174Nm

    As we can see the Campro 1.6 CPS+VIM is the most powerful engine among all the engine above however the Campro 1.6 CPS loses out to the legendary 1.6 VTEC engine (B16A) of Honda. The spec of Honda’s 1.6 VTEC (B16A) engine is :-

    Honda 1.6 VTEC : 170hp and 157Nm

    In this case we can see that the Campro CPS 1.6 loses out in terms of horsepower to the B16A but almost equals in terms or torque. However as you said the torqued is reached very late for the VTEC (max torque arnd 7300rpm) whereas the CPS reaches it quite early (arnd 4500rpm).

    If ever a the Gen-2 or Waja CPS drags with the LEGENDARY VTEC B16A, i can say the CPS can loose flat out, maybe a car distance or more! The reason is because:-

    1) The max max hp and max torque for the VTEC is at high rpm, so there is always constant power and torque increase when the throttle is floored. The CPS however, loses its torque after 4500rpm because it starts decreasing after that point however the CPS still gains power until 6500rpm but at that point the torque has decreased alot.

    2) The reason for VTEC to be superior is because, first VTEC’s engine variable valve system is not only in the intake port, but also the exhaust port. Whereas the CPS has it only in the intake port. Next, the VTEC uses a CAM PHASOR. This system retards or advances the valve opening of the ports based on certain parameters set in ECU. The CPS doesn’t use a Cam Phasor. There are many other aspects that make the VTEC more superior, such as camshaft lobe profile, valve openings and so on.

    3) By now u might ask, why Proton didn’t do CPS like VTEC. The reason is mainly and simply COST! The same reason the other manufacturer’s (Toyota and Nissan) engines are not as powerful as the VTEC eventhough they 1.8L. As u know a half cut VTEC itself can cost u bomb, just imagine developing and producing a new engine similar to that!

    Q2:
    I guess u can do that as long u have money! Hahahahahaha!

    Q3:
    As i have said in one of my previous post’s, the ECU that Proton uses cant be altered as it is locked by Siemens VDO. U can’t even use piggy back’s as the ECU doesn’t recognise any changes. However I have hear claims from aftermarket tuners that they can remap the Siemens ECU. I dont know how far that is true. If u change any hardware in the engine, ie; camshaft, cam sprocket and so on, u need to remap the ECU since there is changes to how the engine operates. The only way u can gain easy and fast power is by altering ur exhaust system. The Catalytic Converter ‘sucks’ about 4 to 5 hp form ur engine. I am not suggesting for u to remove it, but paham paham sendiri la!!!! Then if u have a good extractor, proper piping system, and a good mufler, u can gain some quick hp’s. Pls remeber loud exhaust doesn’t mean the car is powerfull as many Ah Beng exhaust shop does. U might have heard, that a good exhaust system must have the highest flow possible, ie; no restriction. However in practical, thats not true, in order for the engine to work efficiently, it needs some back pressure or resistance from the exhaust system. The R3 dept are busy with their own projects, mainly local races and mod projects. They dont only use mitsu engines, but also modified Campro 1.6 which can make abt 180hp without turbo or supercharger. Just that many people doesn’t know this thats all.

    To nanashisan:-

    Don’t worry, u wont loose the warranty by changing the wheels as long u dont disturb the suspension system!

    Cheers!!!

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  • si-fu (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Need to clarify something here:

    Compared to other VVT engines like from Toyota and CVTC engines from Nissan, The Campro 1.6 CPS fairs as follows:-

    Campro 1.6 CPS : 127hp and 150Nm
    Toyota 1.8 VVTI : 126hp and 165Nm
    Nissan 1.6 CVTC : 109hp and 153Nm
    Nissan 1.8 CVTC : 126hp and 174Nm

    As we can see the Campro 1.6 CPS+VIM is the most powerful engine among all the engine above…..

    My claim as the Campro 1.6 CPS as the most powerfull engine is in TERMS OF HORSEPOWER. In terms of torque, we can say that its almost same with the Nissan 1.6 CVTC engine (diff 3 Nm) and almost same with the VTEC B16A (diff 7Nm). For the difference with the 1.8L engines from both Toyota and Nissan is quite big just simply because of the capacity of the engine. So in terms of torque the CPS loses out to the 1.8L’s.

    Regarding CPS vs VTEC:
    Once my fren went on a road test with the Gen-2 CPS. In the highway, he said he tried to follow a Civic VTEC 1.6 (B16A). And based on him he said, he managed to match the VETC. He was describing the look on the CIVIC driver’s face as he was only driving a Gen-2. Hahahahahahahahah! (the guy doesn’t know it was a Gen-2 CPS as it was camoufludged). So doesn’t mean on paper the CPS loose, still tak leh main with VTEC B16A. However this fren of mine is a good driver, and all i can say is; if u understand ur car well and have proper driving skils, u can do wonders with ur car!

    Cheers!!!

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  • king (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 3:01 am

    IsaacVky said,
    January 21, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

    joeysis said,

    January 21, 2008 @ 10:44 am

    Wow sounds like you got a million ringgit Myvi there

    _____

    sure u were not driving an s-class?

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  • dr_carz (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!

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  • Niceguy (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Regarding the safety of this Proton Saga, its score ratings is equivalent to 3 stars, without passenger airbag. (as it doesn’t need to be tested by NCAP, because it is not export model). Star rating of safety include driver, passenger, seatbelt warning and etc. The safety/restraint system is performing very well in driver side and I bet it will score better if it is equipped with passenger airbag. I can tell that the injury criteria reading of the crash dummy at driver side(overall) is about 70% of the Malaysia regulation of safety.
    However, most of the time the vehicle is only occupied by driver only and the driver will suffer most serious injury among all occupants, so for this basic model it is sufficient. This is the cheapest vehicle with airbag that you can find in malaysia.
    The photos is true and you can see some of the crash videos in the promoting video shown in some of the showroom.

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  • king (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    proton GL said,
    January 20, 2008 @ 10:54 pm

    6. The door panels are so thick (the width of it) later I checked out the Persona again, it was even thicker. I would assume these provides better protection against impacts, compared to half of the width in Iswara.
    ——————————————————–

    true,
    just a little comparison, ‘how far people from inside to outside, (wall thickness),

    just a comparison, no offence to any other makes, as i respect for friends’ preferences,

    myvvi is 112.5mm wall thickness
    08 saga is 162.5mm wall thickness

    well,,,, can always push the interior width limit,
    at the end of the day ,we do need this sense of security (thick wall

    _____

    anyone have info for viva?

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    dr_carz said,

    January 22, 2008 @ 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fuiyooohhh!!

    so you’re driving a Swift..?? wow then suddenly i realised that i am a “retarded mental person” . Forgive me, Your Majesty for calling your car an ugly car without knowing that you’re driving a Swift. I will nevre say anything bad about your car, ever again.

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  • gonggok (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Fake crash test pics?!!!!

    OMG someone is really dumb…if Proton wanted to fake the test why don’t they just drive slower into the barrier. Dude bigfish why don’t you just post your name and address so that Proton’s lawyers can contact you.

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  • ganz (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    dr_carz said,

    January 22, 2008 @ 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!

    ——————————————————————-
    wow a Swift…OMG…pls forgive us…swift is out of league from saga… only 2 units in malaysia and it limited edition..:D

    madimat.. ensure u never condemn his car anymore.. :D

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  • king (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 3:07 pm

    dr_carz said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    Just came from the showroom. The car is decent. I just got hot air. Not like the pictures, the car is damn ugly. the interior is bad.
    dr_carz said,

    January 22, 2008 @ 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Fuiyooohhh!!

    so you’re driving a Swift..?? wow then suddenly i realised that i am a “retarded mental person” . Forgive me, Your Majesty for calling your car an ugly car without knowing that you’re driving a Swift. I will nevre say anything bad about your car, ever again.

    _____

    i know swift is a good car, but not everyone can afford the swift at double the price of this saga. be sensible when comparing the design and interior of this car.

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  • wonka_wankel (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    dr_carz said,

    January 19, 2008 @ 8:16 pm

    Just came from the showroom. The car is decent. I just got hot air. Not like the pictures, the car is damn ugly. the interior is bad. Why would i pay 550 per month for a car that is so lame….

    dont know what the fuss is all about!!!

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    dr_carz said,

    January 22, 2008 @ 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!
    ________________________________________________________________

    ironic, isn’t it?

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 3:59 pm

    Before this going out of control, I sincerely want to offer my apologies to dr_carz in case you’re offended by my earlier posting.

    Let me confess that Suzuki Swift is also one of my dream car; its cute, quick, nippy and sleek all at the same time. Not in any way I intended to offend you or anybody who own certain makes of cars. But i am a Proton car owner, and also a small time Proton car fan. And I have seen the New Saga in flesh and smell the ‘bau kilang’ when the car first revealed in the showroom. And for the price I think it is a very nice, very good car. Design wise, for its size I believe this is one of the cutest car available here in Malaysia, comparable to any Korean or Japanese or even european makes.

    I believe even if now you might think the new Saga design is cacat somewhere, after a while hopefully you will get used to it and be more comfortable with its presence on the road.

    cheers.

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  • waimak (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    The only thing I havent done to this car is to test drive it.

    First impression, the exterior of this new Saga is tastefully done. The headlight is the most different from all P1 models. It looks like it immitates german model but I hope its not intentional. One of the handsome looking sub RM40K car, maybe the best looking P1 too. The interior is simple and practical. Build quality looks good – I hope it will last too.

    I think, at below RM40, this SAGA offers basic equipment, and hard to resist.

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  • mokh997 (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    APE LA KORANG NI NAK BANDING KERETA IMPORT REGE RIBAN2
    BILA JUAL MAHAL KORNAG MARAH KATA TK PADAN DGN KUALITI DAN REGE
    BILA JUAL MURAH NAK STANDART MCM MERC ADA AKAI KA
    SAPE YG MAMPU TU TK YH KOMPLEN LA NI KERETA ORG SUSAH MCM AKU NI DAPAT NAIK BUKIT BWK FAMILY OK LA
    KORANG KAYA ABAH KORANG INGENIER KERETA TU LA MCM2 KOMPLEN

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    king said,
    January 22, 2008 @ 3:07 pm

    ==agreed.

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    dr_carz said,
    January 22, 2008 @ 10:41 am

    yes i am keeping my ugly CCC 11XX car. Ugly u said! its a swift! compare to the new saga my car is damn ugly from a retarded mental person like you mat!

    ==agreed…..what about those person who compared rm40K to a rm80K cars? what if a person own a rm80K car has no difference to a rm40K car, what will happen then, dr? i believe a lot of us were disstressed, maybe?

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  • juanbeibei (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    hi! very decent car.. front, side, rear all looks ok n fine to me.. da rear manual window is ok to me since we dont open it much (to pay parking tickets..) meter is nice with da orange lightings.. it suits da radio also in orange.. emmm.. price aso very nice..!! definitely, theres an effort shown in this car.. looking good!! waiting if any of my friends will buy this n i wanna try it =P cheers~

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  • prangin (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    wow over 450 posts oredi. this must be a record of some sort. had wanted to post earlier, but rather reserve my comment until see d car it in the metal. i think the car is just right for the price segment with decent styling and build quality. overall satified with the car and placed a booking for wifey. tho a bit late, many thanks to Paul for the test drive review and excellent pics.. cheers :-)

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    just a little comment, over all the car is nice for its purpose,
    and batter if the front window pillar ,i mean just about in front of the side view mirror, to put black sticker, or painted to create a sharp triangle shape,
    so that the visual effect of the window pillar is equally stop with crisp sharp triangle, like the rear piece, and this actually this little thing will give a big impact to the apperance in side view,
    i wish i can show how, but i dont know how, probally sticker shop might do it,

    all i can show that what i mean by sharpen the triangle effect by color or tapes is to be shown at the area just infront of the side view mirror of the savvy, belive me if , if it done the whole appearence of the car in side view will be well balanced, particularly on the white ,silver or red 08saga,

    example from the savvy, just to get the idea,
    http://www.parkers.co.uk/imagecache/file/300/archive/Proton/Savvy/Savvy%20Press%20Image_3.jpg

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    One thing this car achieve world class standard is in term of commercial value as it is tax free! So, let the dust settle down and ultimately consumer will make “final judgement” on its commercial success.

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  • The Unicons (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    This will be “BLOODY COMMENTS” To BigFish.

    When other car manufacturers come out with 2/3 winded down rear windows, some nuts to hold the rear bumper and all those technologies bla bla bla….. YOU WILL SAY “THAT’S GLOBAL STANDARD, NEW TECHNOLOGIES!!!!!” “WHY PROTON NEVER LEARN FROM OTHER?”

    When Proton came out 2/3 winded down rear windows, some nuts to hold rear bumper, improvement on engines such as IAFM, CPS, VIM what ever technologies that other car manufacturers have or equivalent….YOU WILL SAY “WHY PROTON COPY OTHER CAR MANUFACTURERS DESIGNS AND TECHNOLOGIES AS IT IS CRAP DESIGN FLAW IF TOYOTA, HONDA ETC. HAVE THIS. DON’T JUST BECAUSE OF OTHER MAJOR MANUFACTURERS DO IT, THEN SMALL PLAYER FOLLOW BLINDLY!!!”

    You said in your above posting before. I very positive sure you don’t even understand and know about your car. You said you drive Waja right? Even Waja also can not wind rear windows completely. Why didn’t you say it and only now complaint it for this Saga? What more to say to do your “BigFish Accessment”. I really laugh out loud for this! Just get your Toyota Hilux.

    One more thing, photography? Which type of lens you are using? There are two most popular one. Can you please name it?

    BIGFISH, SINCE YOU DON’T RESPECT ME LONG AGO AS CALLING ME “COCKY PARROT”. NEVER MIND, PAUL PLEASE GIVE ME GREEN LIGHT FOR THIS!!

    BIGFISH, YOU BETTER SELL FISH AND YOU JUST A “BIG FISH WITH GOLD FISH MOUTH” meaning…. your mouth never stop moving, TALKING NONSENSE. WHO GAVE YOU THE DOUBLE DEGREE ON CAR ASSESSMENT?

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Actually, i quite like this car but when i tested it, i was a little disappointed. The engine is extremely loud like persona that was y i didnt buy persona. In addition the inside is very small, when i was driving, it made me feel like driving a kelisa. I also notice the engine compartment is not big, is just that they got lesser stuff inside. There is a big space bside the engine, this is the first time i c an engine compartment with so many empty spaces. If you think properly, this car is not cheap, it only has 1 airbag, no ABS and the engine is worst than the 1 used in wira it is the louder and less powerful than wira, numbers are nothing you should drive and feel it, i really feel the 1.3myvi is more powerful than 1.6 persona. I personally think this car is able to sell so low is because of the campro engine. Compared to myvi, myvi is expensive because the engine is bought from toyota but proton’s 1 is developed by their own. However, i really need to compliment with proton for coming out with a decent car and i believe this car is of good quality

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  • nuajon (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    i just waiting my NEW SAGA come to me by 3 month from now…..already fall love with my NEW SAGA soon come to me…..really like.

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  • mokh997 (Member) on Jan 22, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    MCM2 ULASAN ADA
    YG MEMBELI DAH TENTU MEYOKONG
    YANG TAK BELI DAH TENTU MENGEJI
    APA2 PUN DGN GAYA DAN ULASAN2 NIH MENUNJUKKAN SAGA NI SATU LAGI KEJUTAN
    SEBAB
    DALAM BANYAK2 KERETA PROTON
    INILAH SATU2NYA YANG PALING BANYAK DIBICARAKAN ORANG
    INILAH HASIL IMPAK YANG DITINGGALKAN OLEH PERSONA
    SESIAPA PUN TAK PERCAYA PENGURUSAN BARU PROTON BERANI MENGHASILKAN KERETA YANG TIADA KLONNYA
    BEGITU JUGA SAGA NI ADE ORG KATA SERUPA LATIO
    TP AKU TK NAMPAK TANG MANA SAMANYA
    APE PUN SEBELUM RAYA CINA SAGA AKU AKAN SAMPAI
    JODOH AKU MUNGKIN DGN SAGA NI
    AKU PERNAH APPLY NAK BELI SAVVY TP BANK TAK APPROVE LOAN AKU
    NAK BELI VIVA ORG RUMAH AKU DAH BELI SESUAI UNTUK DIA BAWAK GI KEJE SENANG NAK PARKING
    SAGA NI SEKALI JE AKU APPLY LOAN TERUS APPROVE
    OK LA AKU NI PEMANDU BERHEMAH BAWAK KERETA TAK JEJAK 160KMSJ
    JADI TK PERLU LA AKU BELI YG BERIBAN2 CC YG DH TENTU INSURAN DGN ROADTAX RIBAN2 GAK
    NI SAGA NI RM60 JE KOT ROADTAX
    INSURAN PUN MURAH JE OK LA
    BELI KERETA MCM BELI BAJU KENA UKUR DGN BADAN SENDIRI
    APE GUNA BELI YG MAHAL KALAU TAK MAMPU NAK BAYAR LAST2 DUK SELIMUT BAWAH UMAH TAKUT KENA TARIK
    MAKIN BESA CC MAKIN PELAHAP MAKAN MINYAK
    MINYAK KALAU TAK PASAL2 NAIK LAGI LEPAS PILIHANRAYA NI
    TAYAR RIM 13 PUN MURAH
    SENANG CAKAP SEGALANYA PUN JIMAT

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 12:17 am

    trust me, when the Proton CPS engine on the road, i bet the comment will be the highest ever for any Proton news.

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 12:17 am

    trust me, when the Proton CPS engine on the road, i bet the comment will be the highest ever for any Proton news.

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  • triplew (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Hi all, really thank paultan making his effort in providing down to earth auto news here unlike other website only report those super car.

    Thumbs up for Proton finally can build such a beautiful car, dun need to talk much about this saga as this post already crowded with comments until my lousy pc hardly scroll up or down…

    But still waiting for Proton to build a really good car, at least being average in all aspects, for me as a normal driver (correct me if im wrong, no professional comment),
    non-campro-waja is nice in ride and handling, powerful, quiet cabin but outlook not nice, dun have pretty bodyline like this saga;
    persona looks pretty, good in ride and handling also but campro engine without cps and also backseat design not comfortable have my order held
    this saga has damn pretty outlook, but little-below-average in other aspects such as interior, handling etc.

    Can si-fu or anyone please advise/comment on waja/gen2/persona/wira in terms of ….errr… how to say ler haha… i mean the feeling like when you driving 120+ km/h, but it’s quiet and stable as you just feel like you are driving 80/90 km/h, appreciate if can campare to vios/city as well hehe :)

    Coz this is the major concern for me… cause normally i will drive around 130-160 km/h on the highway with my wira… really beh tahan the noise and like riding roller coaster…

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  • chap_de_x (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 3:15 am

    ZZalways said,

    January 22, 2008 @ 8:43 pm

    i really feel the 1.3myvi is more powerful than 1.6 persona.

    –really arr your myvi is so powerful(from your post i know u own a myvi)….wut i know myvi don have standard chance to beat even savvy one on one.read it on the net while ago…1 standard savvy beat two minor mod myvi at the track :)…

    There is a big space bside the engine, this is the first time i c an engine compartment with so many empty spaces

    — i think you should read about nowadays safety feature trend in designing engine compartment…more crump at the engine… i think if u accident even your myvi air bag cannot save you from internal injuries

    Compared to myvi, myvi is expensive because the engine is bought from toyota

    — so everything from toyota is consider very good and u willing to pay high price of it heh(bcoz i wont)…so narrow minded…

    conclusion : if you want to praise & defend your myvi like god just said it clearly man…try again :)

    (if u dont own a myvi i am sorry) just felt you drive a myvi

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:01 am

    to all those proton supporter, i m not condemning the new saga, i m just saying what i feel. I dont own i myvi bt i went for a test drive and i can feel a big difference in both cars, keke i booked a saga but now considering of buying a myvi haven make up my mind yet bcoz the new saga is quite cool

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  • gonggok (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 11:02 am

    About photoshop issue were commented on by others and being asked to post his name and address for the benefit of Proton’s legal dept bigfish said.

    “With the good points given, it is evident that my assessment is not valid. Therefore, it is falls under another 10% for not accurate, instead of what I expected my 90% accurate.”

    So now you’re doing a Linggam ‘it looks like me and sounds like me’.

    Ha..ha.. dude you’re pathetic

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  • MisterBenjo (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 11:12 am

    BigFish u r just jeremy clarkson wannabe….try to seek attention every time…Please dont do any assessment again…because no one will bother…and we are here because of paul review…not u.

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  • GlowJo (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 11:12 am

    ZZalways said,

    January 23, 2008 @ 9:01 am

    to all those proton supporter, i m not condemning the new saga, i m just saying what i feel. I dont own i myvi bt i went for a test drive and i can feel a big difference in both cars, keke i booked a saga but now considering of buying a myvi haven make up my mind yet bcoz the new saga is quite cool
    =============================================
    Dear ZZ, are you C3PO or R2D2 with a built in accelerometer?
    You can’t access a car by just using your feeling…
    you are not a reliable measurement equipment.. you are a human…

    Not all cars are built for many purposes, it was built to suit their purposes..
    such as a good handling car will have to scarify the comfort because the equation between handling and comfort is not proportionate each other.

    So it also goes to SAGA 08, it is mend for below average family so that they can afford to buy a comfortable compact sedan instead of compact car that has no room for luggage, kalau balik kampung you don’t have to install THULE on your roof. PAHAMMmmm…

    If every manufacturer have to built one car for all purpose I don’t know how it should looks like….

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  • pengawas (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    triplew said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 1:43 am

    Can si-fu or anyone please advise/comment on waja/gen2/persona/wira in terms of ….errr… how to say ler haha… i mean the feeling like when you driving 120+ km/h, but it’s quiet and stable as you just feel like you are driving 80/90 km/h, appreciate if can campare to vios/city as well hehe
    ——————————-
    – its called NVH….

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  • marvel (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    BigFish said,
    January 22, 2008 @ 7:21 pm
    If BMW have “ultimate driving machine”, BigFish has “ultimate test drive”!
    =============================================

    Since you only own a Waja, why don’t you buy a BMW, no..not brandnew, e36 will do and will only cost you say the price of a brandnew Saga…again if you can afford or else you’ll be the ‘ultimate Dreaming machine’ or like Paul Tan says…A COMEDY ACT’….hehe…

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  • pengawas (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    What do you want us to do about the power windows anyway? Sit down and continuously wind down and up the windows repeatedly for a million times just to satisfy you?
    ————————————
    -paul, u are make me laugh la…. hahaha…

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    GlowJo said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 11:12 am

    If every manufacturer have to built one car for all purpose I don’t know how it should looks like….

    ==u should know anyway a car for all purpose or almost, they called it MPV or Multi Purpose Vehicle. hahaha.

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  • m08 (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    yes, but even MPV have its drawbacks; petrol thirsty, high/expensive roadtax, and obviously too big for average parking space in Malaysia. And I never see any MPV as cool as sedan. Not that easy to satisfy everyone, rite?

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    To GlowJo,
    Harlo if we cant feel a difference between cars then y people are paying so much to buy a mercedes and not proton? We definitely can feel the difference. I really doubt you people are working for proton. People are here to discuss about this car but you people turn back and bang on those people whole left bad comments for proton. As i said. i m not condemning proton, i m just trying to seek a better answer whether to buy a myvi or proton. If myvi was Rm 40k would you consider myvi instead? the only think i don like myvi is the design is quite girlish and the price is a little bit high. Proton is cheap n more suitable for man but i m afraid i will get annoyed by the engine sound.

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    btw, if the new proton is using the same engine as wira, i definitely prefer proton. I am totally satisfied with wira’s engine.

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Harlo if we cant feel a difference between cars then y people are paying so much to buy a mercedes and not proton?

    ________________________________________

    of coz they are difference between two car..and also got price difference to..if you all that, why dont you buy merc..suit for you you know..rather than thinking of buying saga or myvi..

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    to triplew

    if you were driving at 130km/h……Waja can cruise nicely at this speed (sometime you don’t event notice you were at this speed) & it won’t drink your petrol tank out……..handling of course don’t need to say much since it’s from Proton with Lotus DNA…..

    but if you drive constantly at 160km/h with the old Waja Mitsubishi….then you will feel the engine noise is too loud not to notice…& it’s very thirsty….i

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  • chanel (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    ” but if you drive constantly at 160km/h with the old Waja Mitsubishi….then you will feel the engine noise is too loud not to notice…& it’s very thirsty….”

    However, I don’t have the latest Campro Waja’s input…..from what ppl said, the engine is more rough than Mitsu..some-more it’s more thirsty

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  • m08 (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    to ZZalways,
    Campro is ok, been using it for almost a year now. the only annoying thing about it is the ‘drop gear’ feel when going downhill. It’s too sudden and happen only if you release the pedal. But the engine in general is responsive and quite relaxing to drive in waja. Still very stable at 130kmh and can pecut 150kmh on highway. I never tried any speed more than that.. :) And yeah, campro is quieter than old waja engine. Should be similar with this saga engine.

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  • GlowJo (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    bash said,

    January 23, 2008 @ 7:30 pm

    Harlo if we cant feel a difference between cars then y people are paying so much to buy a mercedes and not proton?

    ________________________________________

    of coz they are difference between two car..and also got price difference to..if you all that, why dont you buy merc..suit for you you know..rather than thinking of buying saga or myvi..

    ===========================================
    But BigFish will definitely say….
    Buy a Hilux!!! Ha ha ha Hilux is better than Merc….

    Sorry BigFish… just ‘borrow’ your popular ‘expert’ opinion…

    to ZZalways go and buy a Myvi laaa.. get a gigantic spoiler from brother’s than your car won’t look girlish… Of course la I have to support P1, EPF own proton share what? If proton get profit… EPF definitely will get some money tooo…
    then we all can get better dividend…

    If you buy from NAZA… the money goes to Seoul…. only some goes to Malaysian…. Understand???

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    my friend’s waja is smooth and quiet but i duno his car’s engine is campro or the old mitsubishi engine. I did read a few articles from aus and they condemn gen2 and from what they said the campro engine is seriously noisy. http://www.smh.com.au/news/Review-New/Proton-Gen-2-MLine/2005/01/10/1105582683001.html
    I copied this from the web.
    Not so the 82 kW 1.6-litre “Campro” engine, which despite preferring premium unleaded lacks power at low revs and needs to be extended for urgent performance – but the annoying noise and harshness above 3500 rpm discourages such use.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    To all fellow bloggers, I hope from now onward, you all stop quote me.

    Thank you.

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  • BigFish (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    To Paul Tan and fellow bloggers,

    After giving much consideration and with due respect to Paul Tan and fellow bloggers.

    From now onward, I will cease to post any comments in this blog, either under BigFish or any other pseudonym.

    It is time that I should limit my self to continuously visiting PT blog regularly in order to enjoy and update my knowledge about motoring world. Also, in future if I have any “spyshot” or other informative news on auto, I shall E-mail to Paul accordingly.

    Once again, I thank Paul for giving me the privilege to participate in this blog.

    Happy CNY, Happy Motoring and Cheers to all.

    SIGNED OUT.

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  • juanbeibei (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    hii! i saw sum1 here said need to wait 3 months for dis car.. wow.. so long wait.. if me, i will actually forgot dat ive booked a car~~ =P cant wait to see dis cute little thing on da road.. im sure it will be a hit model like wira~ btw, i really liked da price.. heard dat sum ppl around my college dat have just bought viva said if dis saga launced earlier… haha~ well, there must be a reason why viva, myvi (perodua) prices r higher than protons although perodua is slightly smaller in size~ im not so sure since im not a genius in these automotive things.. juz a driver.. haha.. ohh, btw, i think gen2 engine is quite loud.. sounds like old continental cars.. sounds like my dad’s 5 yrs old volvo d~ waja is nice~ hey, i think there r some great looking mpv (in my opinion) such as grandis, odyssey…. oh, back to da saga, da meter is not day illuminated ones rite..? (correct me if im wrong..)

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  • peYno (Member) on Jan 23, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    juanbeibei said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 10:13 pm

    btw, i really liked da price.. heard dat sum ppl around my college dat have just bought viva said if dis saga launced earlier… haha~ well, there must be a reason why viva, myvi (perodua) prices r higher than protons although perodua is slightly smaller in size~ im not so sure since im not a genius in these automotive things.. juz a driver..
    =================
    u know why??
    this might be the answer ffrom perodua fanboys
    1.Proton doesnt allow them to sell viva/myvi at cheaper price
    2.Toyota QC maaa.. mestila mahal

    prrrfthhh

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 12:53 am

    For people who don’t like Proton; go buy some other cars which fit your budget. For people who like Myvi, go buy a Myvi. You like Viva, go and buy Viva. Honda City and Vios? Swift? Getz or Accent..? go and buy them. Its your money. Nobody is going to stop you.

    This Saga is for people who can fit the budget whose willing to switch from their kapchais to their very first car, perhaps. Please respect them and their choice, and please don’t call them bad names such as ‘mentally retarded person’ or things like that.

    For people who are craving so much for a tough door and build quality, go buy a tank.

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  • zerocool7two (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 1:39 am

    finally that e******ac im**c**e ikan besar finally surrendered…God is great. anyway, I have a question for Si-fu, will Persona ever come out with a proper CPS+Vim in the forseeable future?

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Once again, I thank Paul for giving me the privilege..

    ________________________________________________

    moderation is a privilege..

    bye2 bigfish..
    maybe missyour comment..
    maybe NOT

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  • wong (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:32 am

    ZZalways said,

    January 23, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
    the only think i don like myvi is the design is quite girlish and the price is a little bit high. Proton is cheap n more suitable for man but i m afraid i will get annoyed by the engine sound.
    ——————————————————————-
    Myvi do look a bit girlish,you’re right, but you don’t have to be girlish to drive it,and what makes you think Proton is suitable for man?Because it’s cheap?…well about the engine sound,that you have to test it yourself…a girlish Myvi or a Proton for man….happy driving…

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  • marvel (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:48 am

    BigFish said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
    From now onward, I will cease to post any comments in this blog, either under BigFish or any other pseudonym.
    ———————————————————–
    hmm are you sure? It’s like an itch that you can’t resist to scratch…

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  • ahsk1 (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Just got back from Bangkok. Saw some Savvys being transported on a delivery truck. Can’t see any Proton on the road though. I bet this new Saga will be a hot seller if Proton can price it below 35k baht.

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  • ahsk1 (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 9:07 am

    Just got back from Bangkok. Saw some Savvys being transported on a delivery truck. Can’t see any Proton on the road though. I bet this new Saga will be a hot seller if Proton can price it below 350k baht.

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  • ahsk1 (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 9:08 am

    Just got back from Bangkok. Saw some Savvys being transported on a delivery truck. Can’t see any Proton on the road though. Anyway was only there for 2 days. I bet this new Saga will be a hot seller in Thailand if Proton can price it below 350k baht.

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  • tec96248 (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 9:36 am

    chap_de_x said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 3:15 am

    There is a big space bside the engine, this is the first time i c an engine compartment with so many empty spaces

    – i think you should read about nowadays safety feature trend in designing engine compartment…more crump at the engine… i think if u accident even your myvi air bag cannot save you from internal injuries

    ==not really a good answer for that. safety is not about engine space or cramp. this is proven in the accident between in e-class and smart fortwo. this also been in one of topgear show. in more practical way, bigger engine space can cater bigger engine cc. another good thing is engine heat is easier to dispurse…

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  • CSL (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 10:20 am

    already go to few outlet but can not see the mountain blue saga, which place got this car ?
    and when got test drive ?
    already book the car but still can not relay feel it.
    very nervous now haha

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  • longbanga (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Congratulations! Paul, the marketing guys at proton (agents) should be grateful for your promo works for them here. This is quite a comprehensive review and reasonably fare to the customers to-be as well as the machine adn all its techs and specs (value-added by all comments).
    I have seen the car, no test-drive yet, and impressed by the whole package. Agree with comments from all sides, but this is truely a value for money passenger car. Basically, we just need to move from point A to B, most of the time and to be covered from the plenty of rain and shine in our country. Therefore, an affordable car is most welcaome at the moment, even sweeter with an economical one, burning less fuel at a time when petrol is priced like gold (good for environment as well). Affordable means, it can penetratre into the nearby countries to compete regionally to keep proton in play (what happen to the AFTA things and effect on car prices).
    Then again, we Malaysian on the Borneo Island still got to fork out extra (about RM3K) to own this cute machine. Thanks again Paul, for entensive covers on the car and taking time to cool down those nice and byes comments.

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    ZZalways said,
    January 23, 2008 @ 7:16 pm

    btw, if the new proton is using the same engine as wira, i definitely prefer proton. I am totally satisfied with wira’s engine.
    _______________________________________________________________________

    The EFI or the carburator model huh? i hv a 2002 efi model and the engine is the main problem (very loud in the cabin too)! On 2nd free service the proton service guy told me to watch out for “setengah jalan engine mati”, gosh, and it really did, few times, esp when doin a corner, u can imagine, power steering locking whilst turning a corner, nearly had heart attacks! They never did managed to sort out the prob, only solved by a mechanic fren. My 1990 saga megavalve is even more quieter…

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  • chocomocho (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    How come there’s no side signal lamp eh?

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  • misspurple (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    to dear BigFish…..
    ‘should all aquantance b forgot n nver brought to mind….
    should all aquantance b forgot in day of auld lang syne’
    heheheh

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  • juanbeibei (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    i ic.. very well then.. haha.. oh ya chocomocho! i only realize it after u said.. haha.. theres no side indicator.. i think because the front side indicator is curve in shape, so it can provide indicator for da side too.. n also da car is short.. even looking frm da side, still can focus on da front side indicator.. like perdana la.. but if they add da indicator on da side mirrors, it will be nice =) rite?

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  • juanbeibei (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    oh yeah! i love to have a car with red-orange or amber meter lightings! i like proton’s red-orange or amber or watever they r called meter lights.. juz like my present car now although its not frm tis maker~ but it feels like somewhat european cars.. hahaha~!! nice! n da digital things there looks up to date.. cheers~!! =)

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 6:32 pm

    therell be lot of goodies to be produced for auto accessories outlets,
    things like you mentioned above, and the items will likely be as far as imgination can go…

    but i like the factory style, even its with kits ,its a factory kit style,

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  • leona (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    I visited a showroom recently, pretty unimpressed with the overall quality of the new Saga, especially the central locking knob. Coz I pressed one in, and couldn’t pull it out. Not good if the auto lock ain’t working.

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  • john weinthal (Member) on Jan 24, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    Lena Dear. The point of the small locking knob is to make life more difficult for car thieves! A very sensible and overdue catch-up with rest of world.

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  • mosfet (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 12:25 am

    madimat said,
    January 24, 2008 @ 12:53 am

    For people who are craving so much for a tough door and build quality, go buy a tank.

    —————————————–

    Best post … ever …

    Anyway about this Saga,
    I like every aspect of it. 8/10 rating from me.
    Nuff said.

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  • wong (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Dear leona,

    If the locking knob is your main concern, than the overall quality as you mention is not bad at all…

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  • serpent (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Well, dah pegi tgk. Dan pun booking satu. Inilah kereta proton yg berjaya menambat hati ku. P2 pun gagal utk menawan aku…..hahahahah. Kenapa Saga baru ????. Sebab pertama harga yg berbaloi, kedua r.bentuk yang menarik, ketiga lampu belakang dia sama dgn C class aku.hahahahahhahah. Jgn lupa Merc pun semahal2 dia ada gak masalahnya…… hanya ego pemilik jer yg tak bagi tau hahahahahahah…….aku pakai merc baru tahu x padan dgn rege, buat blagak boleh la…… So, kalau stakat pakai myvi dah nak kutuk saga baru, x payah la……. tu lebih kepada cemburu thap dewataraya….. pasal rege mahal…… kalau stakat enjin toyota tu x pyah berlagak la…… buat malu jek…….. kepada bakal pemilik saga baru, tahniah kerana buat pilihan bijak mcm aku…….

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  • chap_de_x (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 10:02 am

    tec96248 said,
    January 24, 2008 @ 9:36 am

    this also been in one of topgear show.

    –sorry only watch it one time and never want to watch it again…bcoz for me not very factual…biased comment…not serious…its just for fun…think brit is so smart…not respect fellow eng or designer and the worst, i think jeremy clarkson =clown+a joke…better watch fifth gear or local show like the show host by rashidi ishak long time ago (forget wut the show name)…

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  • dr_carz (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Yes the car is good but proton promise that the assembly line would be watch out more. Hope they keep their words and not play with their promises like Malaysian politician do every 4 years that is empty lies. The buil quality is acceptable to 40 thaousand. Ok I agree the car is a budget car for the people. But that dosent mean the people have to accept blindly what Proton is offering. But personally I think proton is trying to do a good job. Keep up the good job, but still there a lot more rough edges to be look upon. As for Mat come to Kuala Lipis and have a ride with my car anytime bro!

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  • chap_de_x (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 10:15 am

    hahaha just manage to go watch this new p1 after one week…its lovely car for this price range… look solid enough and lovely exterior…i think its will be more cool if its more lowered…the interior is more then i expect…not feel its from cheap plastic afterall…same or on par with myvi plastic…like those front seat and meter panel so much…conclusion great basic car for family and good car for first time buyer…new vios…latio…city…yukss….

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  • juanbeibei (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    haha.. i think da rear lights is more to da new ford focus sedan which is nice.. rite? n also like altis in singapore.. but dis saga is more cute since its small..^^ ya lo.. good car brands also got problems, mine also gt probs.. using 2005 E46 325i having probs until today.. haha.. yeah, saga is a good choice ; value for money.. yeah! da quality is getting better as well as da design.. but in my opinion, da round-shaped ac vents doesnt really suits da whole car.. if square better.. but i understand why they choose to use da round one.. its easy.. one touch to close it n to adjust da blowing direction.. simple n theres a lil blow of modern design in it.. haha.. da automotive show was sensasi auto in astro ria.. =)
    a really good work! =)

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 25, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/ag/lotus_elise_convertible_2007_interior_19_346x270.jpg

    air vent is ok ,.a little some from lotus clue

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  • shirroazirro (Member) on Jan 26, 2008 at 2:24 am

    I went to both Proton dealer in our are to check out the car few days ago. Must admit that P1 have done a good job with this new model. For those Toyota fan out there, don’t believe everything what they say about Toyota. The quality is not that superior compare to P1. I own a Proton Saga (Kereta Kebal 4 years old) and an Innova G type(2 years old). The only problem that i have with the ‘Kereta Kebal’ after 4 years is the power window switch (cost me RM15 to change it) but my Innova, if not because of the warranty might cost me few thousand (speedometer kaput, rear axle leak, heavy vibration on the body). So, think again before we pay too much just because of public perception.

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  • ppp (Member) on Jan 26, 2008 at 9:54 am

    @shirroazirro said,
    January 26, 2008 @ 2:24 am

    yes, i totally agree with you! ;)

    hey paul, wikipedia put u down as their reference! *wink wink*

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  • document (Member) on Jan 26, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    I m really annoyed by those BLIND DEFENDERS and BLIND BASHERS…
    I would like to say that everyone has the right to express their FEEL and INTEREST. Why dun we think in another way: Those people complain a lot about Proton is because they do hope Proton wil improve and rise up…. if not, they dun need hv to spend their times and energy to follow up the Proton news and post a comment here….
    We always tend to close our EARS when we heard of “BAD” comments or critics…. There is no use for us to do so….Try to be humble to learn… Though there might hv some people who juz know to condemn, we should take and evaluate all comments given and then choose to believe which one is useful even it is a bad comments…. From here, then we can improve and make job better….
    Now is 21st century oredi, we all are talking about GLOBALISATION… dun ever limit ourselves to everything juz in front of our eyes… this is juz like a frog inside the wall…. We should always prepare and be ready to accept the CHALLENGE…. else, u r just waiting to be obsoleted by others or juz living in ur OWN world…. That’s is the reason why the Proton management start taking their step to move forward and be ready to enter the competitive world… Sometimes, we may too satisfy with what we archived and juz say NO to change… This wil get our EYES blinded….
    I juz wonder those Proton supporter, r u working with Proton??? Comments will bring improvement and excellence…. I do agree that Toyota cars interior actually not that so good actually…. I also hv a ” plastic feel” with previous Vios interior… But why there are some supporter there??? Toyota quality is well-known in world’s automotive industry. Hv u all heard about Toyota Production System?? This theory hv been affecting most manufacturing industry in the world nowadays…even the ego USA… they r practicing it until now to keep improving. There must be a reason why people support and why people condemn it anyway. The customer satisfaction will reveal it all the way. No one can deny it…Many people hv been suffering from the Proton’s lousy offering, that y there r so many people who always condemn it… Now Proton hv improve and try to make good job, so try giv a CHANCE to Proton… and Proton dun ever try to take advantage of ur monopoly…. u wil back to be LOUSY forever if u r still choose to live in ur OWN world and juz ignore those advice….IT’S TIME TO WAKE UP NOW….

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  • shirroazirro (Member) on Jan 26, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    Document said,
    ‘I juz wonder those Proton supporter, r u working with Proton??? ‘

    Are you working for Toyota ? I spend more than 100K when i bought my Toyota but what do i get ? I’m not working with Proton and i don’t support Proton blindly. I plan to change my 2nd car (Saga) but still thinking whether to get a 2nd hand Vios or a new Proton Saga. 2nd hand Vios are very expensive compare to other brand because of our public perception (assume????). My colleague from Brunei was really surprise (terkejut setengah mati) when he saw the price of 2nd hand Vios in Malaysia.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 26, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Proton_Saga_%28second_generation%29_%28rear%29%2C_Serdang.jpg

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Proton_Saga_%28second_generation%29_%28front%29%2C_Serdang.jpg

    a solid small car.

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  • madimat (Member) on Jan 27, 2008 at 3:37 am

    Yeah yeahh allright … allright! We admit that we support Proton in this Forum and like Proton because we are all Proton salesman. In fact all the praises and ba bla bla about the new Saga because we are all seling Proton cars as our source of income .. heh heh .. and yeaah you know, in case one day you or your spouse / girlfriend decided to get a Saga as her new ride then just give us,.. I mean any of us a call, or easier if you can just knock on any Proton driver out there on the road and ask ,.. “err, my girlfriend want to buy a new Saga lah, you sell or not aahh….” … “We sure sell one, because we are all Proton salesman ..!

    :peace:

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  • wong (Member) on Jan 27, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    document said,

    January 26, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
    I juz wonder those Proton supporter, r u working with Proton???
    =============================================
    Even a non supporter might be working in Proton

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  • sunsilk (Member) on Jan 27, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    my fren’s brother just booked one, bt nid to wait up to 4 months !!!! don knw the sales assistant serious wif him o nt…that means proton saga booking list at least has 20k units already…since proton said they managed to produce 5000 cars each month…

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  • Cyberkayu (Member) on Jan 28, 2008 at 2:43 am

    20k unit?!!
    if the net profit is 5k
    will b totaled up as 100M
    more than enuf 2 come up wif home-design transmission d
    or make 1.8-2.2L engine developement

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  • Cyberkayu (Member) on Jan 28, 2008 at 2:47 am

    2 extended the product range
    like MPV SUV or 4×4
    make diesel are not a bad option as well

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  • Wilfred (Member) on Jan 28, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    heard that there is problem on BLM “transmision”…any comments?

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  • sagaKNIGHT (Member) on Jan 29, 2008 at 12:53 am

    congrate proton…
    4 their new ‘baby’….
    :)

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 29, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    499

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  • proton GL (Member) on Jan 29, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    500th,

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  • bash (Member) on Jan 31, 2008 at 12:00 am

    proton GL said,

    January 29, 2008 @ 7:26 pm

    500th,

    _______________________

    haha..spamming to get the 500th comment..
    juz kidding..neway..proton did not make any significant profit from this saga..
    the ‘insider’ said that SAGA use to win back customer..

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  • Ray83 (Member) on Feb 01, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Hi Si-fu, hi Paul,

    I have some questions about the speed gear used into Saga(BLM) M/T AichiKikai (AK), what is the gear ratio from gear 1 to 5? and how many rpm will reach 100km/h with 5th gear?? e.g like wira 1.5 M/T 5th gear will give 3000rpm to reach 100km/h (if not wrong), please answer me if any 1 got test drive M/T of this Saga! thanks alotz, :)

    Happy motoring!!!

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  • snailhill78 (Member) on Feb 06, 2008 at 11:03 am

    The moment of truth dude!!
    finally paid off… Good work to all protonian…
    god wills it…

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  • siowmage (Member) on Feb 12, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    New SAGA pretty nice, didn’t expect to be so satisfying..
    I would say 10points in mind before watch it, 8points hit my mark after watching it.. I guess Proton’s Marketting and R&D work hard on this..
    Well Done !
    2 more points – I wonder why good portion on the engine graph decreases after applying AIFM instead of maintaining it. Is there a graph comparison for Mitsubishi 1.3 + EFI (Wira) vs Campro 1.3 + AIFM (new SAGA) ?
    Another would be inside the doors has no safety bar unlike the kenari does.
    In terms of security, I still vote for Perodua cars.

    Cheap only if your compare with other models from Protons and Perodua. Earning the same figure in SG and spending bout the same amount of money to buy a car would probably get you a Mitsubishi Lancer fully imported from Japan with high grade interior and parts compare to Malaysian made. Dont forget these cars are all sort of tax included and ours is locally made where many tax has avoided.

    I wouldn’t say much and leave it for you to do research on your financial planning. But I’m a Malaysian and I live with what I had. I even own a Wira and I’m learning how to live fine with it happily. Frankly speaking, pretty tempting to get a new SAGA before my old Wira 1.3 gets really naughty.

    I notice that a muffler is built right in front of the engine instead of the conventional 4-2-1 follow by the environmental friendly muffler somewhere underneath the handbrake position.

    Any reason for this design ?
    Any pros and cons e.g. heat dissipation or anything beneficial ?
    As far as I know keeping the engine temperature low and front muffler plays a role in determining the fc and pickup as well.
    Would this eliminates the flexi/suspension pipe which suppose to absorb the vibration of the exhaust pipe ?

    Please all the sifu sifu correct me if I’m wrong..I’m not an expert but I want to learn.

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Feb 14, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    yatterukah……

    Sayonara, Big Fish-san~!! Rly, it’s been fun interacting wit u, even if it annoys me sometimes, to quote Eminem:

    “now this looks like a job for me,
    so everybody, just follow,
    cuz we need a lil’ controversy,
    cuz it feels so empty without me”

    now I suppose Paul’s blog will be a lot quieter n peaceful.

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  • jared323f (Member) on Feb 29, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Dear Paul,

    I bought a B-line Auto and so far I enjoy driving the Saga. But the most important thing I want to highlight here is the claimed fuel consumption of 6.3L/100Km highway driving at 90Km/H.
    Since day one after getting the car I have never achieved the claimed FC. Mine is not less than 9.0L/100Km or RM0.17/Km which is slighty better than my 2.0 V6 Mazda!!!!.
    My Saga mileage is 950Km today and don’t tell me the FC sucks big time because the mileage is low.
    If the FC continues to be like this can I sue proton for misrepresentation and cheating and get a refund?

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  • Francis KethoN (Member) on Mar 02, 2008 at 2:42 am

    jared323f,

    If calculation from 9L/100KM, it means the Saga is doing 11KM/L.. it is no difference with my 1991 1.3 Saga… I wish to get this car, can you comfirm it is really doing that real bad?
    __________________________________________________________

    Paul,

    From the space table, mind you explain the original saga is the 1991 Saga or the LMST Saga aka Saga Sport?

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  • Adam T (Member) on Mar 16, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Running in a Silver Auto Saga just now and have driven 250 km so far like with an egg on the accelerator. 6.9 Litres per 100 km today Sunday. Drove mostly high-way top speed 90 km/hour. When going up slope changed manually to third gear and reducing speed down to 70-80 sometimes. (Yes in the leftmost lane)

    Last Friday had 7.5 litres per 100 km driving also mostly high-way but that was also with around 20 km bumber to bumber crawl included in the 100 km.

    Most car manufactures leave dream figures for petrol consumption in their advertising that very few can reach in real traffic. Besides if we happen to be petrol heads most of us probably are born with a slightly heavy right foot.

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Mar 20, 2008 at 9:02 am

    omg totally disappointed. What QC la what proton no more problem, all craps.. i just got my saga n the boot the place where the spare tyre is stored is flooded with water

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Mar 20, 2008 at 9:06 am

    omg.. just got my car and found out the spare tyre compartment is flooded with water after a heavy rain. All those proton supporter are truely from working in proton

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  • Adam T (Member) on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:39 pm

    If you have water in the boot get a small hole or two drilled at the lowest
    point(s). Rust protect the hole with some rust protection paint. Costs only a few ringgits I guess.

    We cannot expect a car to be very good until after a year or two. Every new model must have their “child diseases”. Proton has a new management and they are taking buyers critique sincerely. Look at the new Persona where they have gone through a long list of complaints and wishes from Gen.2 owners and they are rectifying these problems and improving.

    I have read somewhere that The Japanese people take a fault on a car as something like a “personal insult”. Therefore they have better cars from the beginning. But these cars costs. I don’t think all Malaysians are prepared to pay those prices, yet.

    I dont work for Proton and I am a Swedish citizen. Living here now since around 17 years. I do like Proton because it is worth much more than it’s low price. Low price after Malaysian standards that is. This is my second Silver Auto Saga. The first one bought in 1990. Very nice car. Using semi synthetic oil and looking as new and handling as new, when sold after 10 years. Yes one repaint before selling.

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  • Adam T (Member) on Mar 20, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Got a puncture somewhere between Kajang and Wangsa Maju. Got warning flashes from a car behind in middle of town near KL Railway Station from a friendly car behind. Since I felt nothing at all wrong I continued. Especially since it seems impossible to stop in heavy traffic. So I continued.

    At one red light 400 meters from home somebody in a car beside me pointed first to my rear left tyre and then to my front left tyre and gave a hand signal showing “very little air” in the tyres. So I thought I had underfilled tyres. Continued to Shell petrol station to fill in air. Passed a place where lorries go in and out and the road is very uneven. No change. Still like driving on clouds.

    Left rear tyre only complete puncture down to the rim. So I have now ordered a new alloy rim from Proton spare parts. Nothing wrong seen on the tyre or rim except for the puncture. Changed the tyre to the spare that thankfully is same size, but steel rim instead of alloy. I don’t trust rims or tyres that have been driven on perhaps more than 15 km in this case so I will change both to brand new. Especially when I have son that likes to explore top speeds.

    If I didnt run in the car driving like with an egg on the accelerator I might discover the puncture, but as I drove I only felt a slight difficulty as if the motor was perhaps 5% weaker than normal when acceleating above 60km/hour. Not enough to suspect a puncture. No sounds, No bounces. Just like driving on clouds.

    In other words the new Proton Saga is too soft in the rear. The Lotus people probably want better stiffer shock absorbers behind. I have ordered that also from Proton Spare parts. Remains to see if they have them available and when they can deliver.

    Protons seem to be delivered with either Continental, Good Year or Sime tyres. All new Sagas I have seen have Good Year. Seems to be very good tyres, since I cannot even notice punctures on them.

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Mar 20, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    any1 know how to adjust the digital clock?

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  • Adam T (Member) on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:23 am

    Regarding adjusting the clock on the New Proton Saga.

    My explanation is a long one. Sorry, but I was a teacher before.

    The manual is not very good on explaining how to do it.
    It is easy to by mistake reset the trip meter or adjust the hours time and time again and give up.

    So be sure to have it in odometer standard no trip meter mode
    before you change the clock.

    Change in between odometer mode and trip meter mode by
    pressing the set button very very short time, something like a
    10th of a second. (If you follow the manual other things happen)
    Try again and again to change in between trip meter mode and
    odometer mode just to get the feel of it. Have it in odometer mode.

    When you have it in odometer mode press the set button something like
    at least 5 seconds. The hour button will blink. Adjust with pressing the set button very short time something like a 10th of a second time and time again
    until you have the right hour flashing. It uses 24 hour format.

    Don’t press any button something like 10 seconds. The minutes start blinking. Set them before they stop blinking with the same very short pressing of the set button.

    Switch back to trip meter mode if you use it after adjusting the clock

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  • Adam T (Member) on Mar 21, 2008 at 8:33 am

    The last few days I got a petrol consumption of over 1 liter per 10 km driving over 200 km when I had the puncture. So I must have driven very far with the puncture since I am still trying to run in the engine with like an egg on the accelerator. Perhaps around 50 km with puncture. A minimum 10 km.

    The Proton is just like driving on clouds no matter if you have a puncture or not. I don’t think Proton can afford spy cameras on each rear tyre, so they have to either

    1/ stiffen the suspension at the rear a little
    2/ install puncture safe tyres like on some luxury brands like
    Porsche etc. You can just keep on driving safely with such tyres for many miles. Wonder if such rims and tyres are available for Proton?
    3/ Low pressure warnings on the instrument panel when any tyre has low pressure. Some manufacturers deliver such safety features today as standard.
    4/ Low pressure hats for the tyres. Showing red yellow or green etc. on each tyre depending on pressure. Perhaps one can by it on Petaling Street?

    I will try to get such hats plus stiffer shock absorbers.

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  • proton GL (Member) on Mar 24, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    water sipping in the rear boot,
    normally what the proton service will do is take oof the weather sheild/rubber lining and put slicone glue thickly on the metal part then reinstall the rubber lining,

    2nd if the water sipping in yellowish color, they might go as far as dismantling the rear strut, and reseal the suespected area,

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  • jared323f (Member) on Apr 01, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    RM30 takes me around 150-160km combined cycle, if highway around 180km the most. So go figure. Fuel consumption sucks big time. Hey Proton!!! you Liar SOB….. I’ve done 5100km already. Don’t tell me that the engine is still new. I’m not here to bash you, I’m one of your new SAGA owners. don’t believe me can contact me at black.lantis at gmail dot com

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Apr 01, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    OMG went 2 fix my boot for 3 times still cant fix, those stupid ppl, i use water spray also can c water is coming in from the rear light, they never test izzit? simply apply silicon OMG crazy. Y the back left n rite light are different? the left is with metal casing, right is black plastic with a rubbers which can move.

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Apr 01, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    yeah fuel consumption is extremely high, is like 25cents per KM and above, crazy. I pump full den go to work, when i come back pump again RM12, total distance travelled = 45km

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  • terence6688 (Member) on Apr 07, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    omg, i just booked the new proton BLM… 3-4 months waiting list… the fuel consumption really so high??? a liittle big disappointed and regret, man…. FC in catalogue TIPU orang lah…

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  • MaxPayne (Member) on Apr 10, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    wow.. i thought tis car will be the improvement car from Proton but seem like my thought is wrong. Between Persona and tis Saga which one better?

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  • Adam T (Member) on Apr 14, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Mixed driving I have so far not done worse than 50 km for RM10. But that includes bumber to bumber drive and long stops at red lights, air condition etc. It cannot be compared to 90 km steady speed on a highway. We all have different driving styles and my sons are driving more energetic than me. Personally I reach around 70 km for RM10 at todays petrol prices. Mixed driving.

    We are a family of 5 taking turns to drive it. We all like it. Very quiet. Comfortable. Steady.

    The only minor complaints so far are

    1/ I never noticed the puncture on the rear wheel until somebody pointed it out to me while waiting for green traffic light. The shock absorbers are too soft. I compensate for the while being by filling in higher pressure in the wheels. Proton does not have gas or harder shock absorbers yet for sale.

    2/ Difficult to fill full tank at some pumps at a Shell petrol Station in Wangsa Maju section 5. Some of the pumps are too powerful even at lowest setting which makes it difficult to reach full tank. I have settled for pump no 9 to be the best and filling in with the nozzle high up in the filler hole which means that it sometimes overflows even when careful. Otherwise the last bar is never reached on the petrol meter. But that is my personal experience others might not have this problem.

    3/ The whole car is silver color and the bumbers get bleached stains where the rain drops have been over night. To disappear miraculously after an hour in daylight. Tried to wax the car, no difference. This leads me to beleive that the undercoat under the silver color coat on the bumpers are not suitable for a cold climate. Everything is perfect one hour after washing the car in daylight. If I don’t wash the car the stains also disappear miraculously.

    4/ Awkward response from the accelerator when reaching exactly the same level before and after accelerating. This is irritating when being used to not drive modern drive-by-wire cars, but older cars that use mechanical wires instead of electronics for the accelrator. The response is more depending on movement than exact positions of the accelerator. Since I try to drive economically this is slightly irritating. I have to guess where the accelerator shoud be for best result.

    Otherwise everything is perfect and I don’t regret for a second buying the car.
    I have had 4 Saabs, 4 Volvos, 1 Jaguar, 1 Alfa Romeo, 1 Proton and 1 Honda and this one though simple is real favorite especially in town driving.

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  • moonier (Member) on Apr 16, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    hi, book one already.. my 1st car… hope there is no much problem.. wish me luck! huhu

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  • Time Observer (Member) on Apr 17, 2008 at 11:22 am

    Seems to be many problems with the new model but all these were never really mentioned before it was launched. Doesn’t the company has a QC department to ensure the quality of the car before the car is allowed to be on the road? Anyway, I have already booked the M- Line Manual, hopefully my 1st car will not be of much problem.

    The most important criterias that I am looking for are the safety of the car and it’s fuel efficiency. The latter seems to be varying according to some of the comments in this blog. But the most desired value is RM 0.12/ km promised by the company- at constant speed of 90 km/h? In reality, it is doing a worst mileage of RM 0.25/km as mentioned by one of the commenters. If this is so, I would be quite disappointed.

    But can someone tell me whether the long waiting list is still going on? Does it still need 5 months or so to get the car after I placed my order?

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  • ZZalways (Member) on Apr 17, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    According to Adam T, We are a family of 5 taking turns to drive it. We all like it. Very quiet. Comfortable. Steady. I have had 4 Saabs, 4 Volvos, 1 Jaguar, 1 Alfa Romeo, 1 Proton and 1 Honda and this one though simple is real favorite especially in town driving.

    For a person who drives so many good cars also feel saga is quiet n comfortable, how weird. For true readers who really wan to know how good the car is, go for a test drive. U will noe the engine is extremely loud, try knocking the interior u can feel the inside is empty hence wind sound is a problem. Comfortable?? If u were driving a kelisa, u will feel proton is comfortable but how weird, u drive jaguar also say saga is comfortable. For more true info about this car, i advise u all to go motor trade forum n have a look, the opinions there are more reliable.

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  • uhcheewei (Member) on May 22, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    so how is the real fuel consumption? anybody can tell please?

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  • teek (Member) on May 31, 2008 at 12:14 pm

    not my choice….

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  • nuajon (Member) on Jun 18, 2008 at 1:27 am

    when i get my car…..still waiting more than 2 months….i heard the BLM production slow now from my salesman. its true?

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  • ideoteque_85 (Member) on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:40 am

    So, it has been quiet now. What’s the latest story about the Saga? When will it be on the street?

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  • Moon67 (Member) on Jun 28, 2008 at 11:12 am

    My Saga MLine was delivered on 24 Jun after almost 6 months booking. It was long wait but my wife was glad that the “waiting” was over. Was impressed initially but feel frustrated after the 2nd day I can hear annoying “sound” like something was not screwed properly coming inside drive side door. On 3rd day, I can hear another sound coming from the front section of the car when it was driven at slow speed. Now on my 4th day, not sure what’s next. In sum, the quality checks at point of delivery were still very poor. A new model, but same quality. Thought the quality problem was thing of the past for proton but they have not proven it yet! at least to me.

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  • Phrase (Member) on Jul 05, 2008 at 8:14 am

    I also can hear annoying sound like sumthing was not screwed properly coming inside my rear panel. sent to SC but the person said they cant find what the problem is… and after i checked my self, the sound is coming from wiper motor that was not screwed properly…WTF, those SC really do their work or not? and do mine that my car is Myvi…Claimed themselves zero defect..WTF

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  • khiong1 (Member) on Oct 05, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    I have an 1992 Proton Saga 1.3 and is still doing well with me after quite a bit of redo of the body work. We intend to buy a second car. Is the new Proton Saga a really good buy ? I heard problems and annoying news now and then but I still have confidence with it. The problem is my wife. She refuse to have a Proton as a new family car. We don’t intend to spend extra money to have a Nissan or Toyota. Any suggestion to convince my wife about the new Proton ? Thanks.

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  • awak (Member) on Oct 09, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    as for the budget concern, toyota is at the price of nearly 2 saga or two and half,
    although saga is a decent car and a little bit compromise on 1.3 litre capability, it feels solid the the ride is comfortable,
    if i want cheap new car, its saga,

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  • hellloXD8 (Member) on Jan 12, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    HEY GUYS!

    Just tested the saga manual, the clutch level is really too high..

    Can it be adjusted? it seems that it is using some hydrolic clutch.

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  • kadiology on Feb 19, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    just book mine. saga has increased its production to 7000 per month, so, i'll get my car next week. i dont even bother to test drive. i just need a car NOW!

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  • shirley lee on Mar 08, 2009 at 4:50 am

    good price but bad quality. brake got sound on the 2nd month, power window jam on 3rd month, driver car seat jam cannot push up and down on 5th month n now entering 6th month, some accessories inside the car dropping and air-cond giving problem not cold, on no 2 but still sweating.

    solution? saving some money now coz want to buy other brand in the future.

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  • edward l. olaybal on Mar 11, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    hello every one …

    i bought the new saga last year august 2008. The car is very good and i really enjoy driving the new saga.The car i take is full accesorie and i add some more and now look more nice .The car didn't give me problems and i look after very well..If we drive smooth , look after and love the car ..the car will be maintain new ,clean and tidy .Nothing much to say as long who is a car lover the car will be always maintain ,clean and nice to see..

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  • Terence Wong on Mar 18, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    I believe that every car is different in production, just like our DNAs. If you are "blessed" enough, you'll get a good one, if you're not that "blessed", you'll get a lousy one. But among all these comments, it seems that most of you guys have more cons than pros about BLM. I'm planning to get a car and actually I was planning to go for a MyVI, I've totally lost my confidence in proton due to their arrogant and i-don't-care-about-my-customers attitude.

    Adam T., it seems that you are very supportive of Proton. How sure are we that you are not one of them? You have driven 4 Volvos and yet you love a Proton? Unless your Volvos are 2nd/3rd hand cars, I believe there's no way you'll fall in love with a proton because Volvos' are named "the world's safest car" and I believe their QC is way better than Proton's.

    Anyway, cheers.

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  • Kalung BioFIR on Mar 27, 2009 at 8:51 am

    wow…. 16 km/liter is a good mileage!

    and it is at a very good price for it's value!

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  • leeman on Apr 07, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    It's cheap, has beauty, large leg room space for front and generous leg room space for the rear passenger.One unique feature, looks small from the outside but large in the interior including a large boot space, a clever design indeed.worth buying.

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  • leeman on Apr 07, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    I like to add afew lines.For those out there who feel's dissapointed with the new SAGA…put it this way.It's worthwhile for a car with that price range RM 40,000 to deliver such an acceptable quality.Are you willing to spend a few hundred thousands to satisfy your quality lusts.

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  • leeman on Apr 07, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    For those who are not satisfied with the fuel consunption of the SAGA,let me teach you some technical aspects of fuel consumption.A 1300cc engine carrying an elephant will consume more petrol than a 2600cc engine carrying a mouse.Is that understood?

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  • leeman on Apr 07, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Adam T said..quote " I do like Proton because it is worth much more than it’s low price. Low price after Malaysian standards that is". I agree with Adam T.He's reasonable.

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  • leeman on Apr 07, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    ILLmondo

    Don't worry about crash tests or dummies. Get yourself an armoured tank to drive in.

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  • Omgosh people, what do expect of a car which costs around the RM40k price range? Hello people, wake up, this is not BMW or Mercedes-Benz or something, but it is Proton. Instead of mocking the national car maker, why not just acknowledge their approach in delivering a good car that is way beyond affordable. Also, if you think that the MyVi is way better, fine, go ahead. However, think about it this way, the Saga is Malaysian and the MyVi is based on a Japanese car (Toyota Passo/Daihatsu Sirion), so of course some things are considered 'better' and quality wise is good. The result? A hefty price tag. For example, the top of the line MyVi goes for almost RM50k while the top of the line Saga around RM42k. Which car is bigger in terms of volume? The Saga is. In Addition, if Perodua is so-called 'Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua' (PERODUA), why are they taking so many models straight from Daihatsu? I take for example the Perodua Naitica, based on the Daihatsu Terios and the Perodua Viva, based on the Daihatsu Cuore Charade besides the MyVi. So if you were thinking of blasting Proton again, think again. I laud Proton's move in making reliable cars which are made affordable. Of course there are quality issues here and there but Proton is still working in improving the quality of it's cars as seen in the Satria Neo and Persona. So, congrats to Proton and keep up the good work.

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  • how much is its price?

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  • Sanciga on Apr 13, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    See is good,but got power ?

    Manual good or auto good?

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  • don't know how to choose….wheather saga or myvi..

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  • kadiology on Apr 21, 2009 at 8:49 am

    already use 1 month. i called it 'kereta belasahan', meaning, i abuse it. i work on-site, so i travel a lot. and parking is so freaking hard, so that saga turn into an off road wannabe. got into mud, and ram the curb to get on top of it for parking everyday. that day on MEX, i try to push the car. cannot go beyond 160km/h. but thats ok wif me. what i find it amazing is that while im doing 150km/h, another taxi which is an iswara simply simply potong me. that iswara must be on drugs. car have not given any problem so far and i enjoy driving it.

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  • TJ8949 on May 10, 2009 at 10:34 am

    the power is acceptable for a 1.3 car.. I managed to hit 190kmh down Elite Highway.. I think can go more but a car cut my lane.. and i didnt speed that fast since then.. maybe will again.. heheh! it' a manual blm.. hehe

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  • just booked a black m-line unit.. thanks 2 new proton xchange policy… i'm 1 of d 5,000 ppl who opted 4it!…. sadly no choice but2 go 4 cheaper alternative as in new saga ..due to economical reasons…. but test drove d saga thru d weekend…campro surprisingly feels more responsive than myvi's 1.3L….. overall… no frills car…. gets u2 point a n b.. if u cannot afford MAS then take Airasia lor… ok 4 travelling up north south expressway long distance .. all in all a ppl's car … suitable 4 those lower income group as i am :( …. lookin 4ward 2 saving $$ for future branded cars / business class type!… hopefully lar…..

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  • BLM is good just the manual gearbox is sucks. It should use the Mitsubishi gearbox for manaul.

    I hv tried the bloody gearbox and it is response like a truck gearbox, which means gear shift is relatively slow and i cant feel the gear.

    Oways use tis point to tease my fren…. lolx

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  • Hi all,

    I want to know how is the fuel comsumption now for all saga owner? For Auto owner, how d power? will d auto car like ants when hiking d hill? I wan buy a car for my transportation which i am new enter to working society:D:D:D

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  • which 1 is better, chilli red o white??

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  • proton car now is nice in design…but is it the quality improved?…especially the sound absorption…is it after some years the car's cabin sound will like old wira or saga which is damn loud?….or the engine will vibrate vigorously?

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  • I WANT TIS CAR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE !!!!!

    I DONT CARE…..

    XXX

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  • chris on Jun 15, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Is it true Shirley Lee???? Worried me now cox i'm getting my new Saga…. too bad…

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  • AlmostSAGA on Jun 24, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    This car drinks fuel. Especially the auto version. My relative auto use like 9km/l, which translate to 11.xx litre for every 100km!!!!

    So much for Proton's statistic of 6.2 for 100km!!

    Some of my colleagues also complains it drinks fuel. And there's one guy at lowyat forum complaining like 7km/l!!!!! Cheap car..small engine…but drinks fuel???

    Was interested to buy, but dropped the idea now. CAMPRO simply sucks fuel.

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  • roy complaint on Jun 29, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    yang hairan baru 3bln beli BLM dah ada bunyi..knock..knock kat bawa gear box masa jln gear 1&2.naik bonggol jalan kat tayar depan pun ada sound…pelik kah malaysia made..??

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  • sambadi on Jul 06, 2009 at 12:11 am

    roy complaint said,

    June 29, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

    yang hairan baru 3bln beli BLM dah ada bunyi..knock..knock kat bawa gear box masa jln gear 1&2.naik bonggol jalan kat tayar depan pun ada sound…pelik kah malaysia made..??

    ————————–

    are you Mr Roy aka Roy Moon?

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  • Is that true that the fuel consumption for new saga with auto transmission was so high? I'm thinking to change my current car to new saga M-Line model, so beside high fuel consumption, is there any other major -ve feature or defect that you guys experience? I mean after a few weeks or months of driving this car…

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  • SHIRLEY LEE on Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    YES, FUEL CONSUMPTION FOR THIS AUTO IS VERY VERY HIGH!! FURTHER COMMENTS ON OTHERS PROBLEMS PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME TO READ ALL THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS BEFORE BUYING.

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  • Rabio on Aug 02, 2009 at 7:36 am

    Ok tq Shirley Lee for your advised……….buying…cannot….buying…….cannot????

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  • Mei Ling on Aug 25, 2009 at 4:05 am

    Hi…I've a question to ask. I'm planning to buy the new proton saga 1.3, but I'm not too sure about the facts in purchasing one. What should I look out for when buying one? Can someone tell me which would be worth buying: The Proton Saga B-Line or The Proton M-Line?

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  • Mei Ling on Aug 25, 2009 at 4:36 am

    Hi, I've a delima to ask. I'm planning to buy the new Proton Saga 1.3 but I'm not too sure as to which saga to purchase. Can someone advice me on this matter? The choice: Proton Saga M-Line or Proton Saga B-Line?

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  • T H C (Member) on Aug 25, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    Hello Mei Ling,

    The main difference which u notice on the M-line is sports rim, fog lights, and door handle color same with body color

    while the

    B-line is got wheel cover, no fog lights, door handle is black color

    if i were u, i would go for saga M-line (manual) solid white or silver metallic

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  • Chris on Aug 26, 2009 at 2:43 am

    Hi T H C! So havent you buy one SAGA yet? So we can share the experiments. I've chose the one that you've mentioned above. Mine go for solid white.

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  • Chris on Aug 26, 2009 at 2:46 am

    To Time Observer!

    Havent you bought one Mline saga yet? Can we share comments?

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  • T H C (Member) on Aug 26, 2009 at 7:14 am

    not yet Chris.

    I will probably buy the Saga once the govt announce the car scrap policy is going to come to an end. Also need some time to go JPJ to tender a good number as well and this takes time.

    Already been 1 year d since this saga 1st launched, therefore, some improvement had been made , hopefully.

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  • Chris on Aug 26, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    TO T H C,

    Thks for replying me. Hopefully i wouldnt be headache when i get my 1st car — SAGA.

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  • T H C (Member) on Sep 05, 2009 at 5:24 am

    Actually, the only concern is the CAMPRO engine as many of the SAGA owners told me that its noisier compare to other engine with the same displacement.

    Chris, why not get the 1.6 SAGA as it has better power and acceleration and thus save more fuel than the 1.3 BUT only available in RED (solid) color. I dislike the RED-colored SAGA. :)

    Whatever it is, the decision is yours. :)

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  • Chris on Sep 05, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Ok, will look into the 1.6 SAGA later, thanks T H C. Btw i have to tell you that the customer service by the Sales Advisor at Proton Edar wasn't satiesfied for me. Mostly the answer he could get me was: don't know, maybe, not sure, don't know when, etc. Honestly i really regret to get this car as my first car and i really disoppointed with Proton service even though i have not received my new SAGA yet. Sigh~

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  • i bought 1 1.3 one… now super regrets…

    tat fuel consumption is suck… far away from the factory info..

    full tank of petrol.. then about 240km-260km then the fuel warning light is flash… damn… compare to Myvi a tank of petrol about can drive about 350km then i really faint about it…

    N at ipoh… i have ask few dealer… they dun have sell 1.6… sum told me only for taxi or tell me need long long long time to take car.. so better dont..

    N 1.3 fuel comsumtion like this i think cause of the gear box.. the final ratio suck… 4.7. this is more bigger then some sport car, n this make the engine high rev when driving.. like 5th gear, 3000rpm juz 90, 120 already 4000rpm…. SO i guess change to 4.3 can be better.. hope proton improve this problem…

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  • MABakar on Sep 14, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Bought the car in June 98. My wife uses the 1.3Auto to ferry kids to school & groceries. With full tank, the most the car could make is about 190km to 200km only.

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  • Like what kwy said: super regrets to bought this car.

    For me, i am also super x2 regrets going to get this car soon… what to do, money not enough, wanna get persona also cannot afford…

    I always have bad dreams with this car, although i haven't received it yet! Will receive this car this month end. You know what, at first i wanna take myvi but too expensive for me coz this car still cheaper alot than myvi but after i got chance to sit in the SAGA taxi 1.6, i really regret cox the headroom at the backseat really low… but it was too late while i called proton edar and the salesman (dont know what kind of salesman is this, everything i ask he will answer Dont know) said already submit the car scrapping form to kl… sigh…

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  • From what i tested the Manual Transmission saga 1.3 uses about 9.2L/100km. from full tank to light flashing is about 27.8L of fuel gone. Saga has a 40 L fuel tank dunno why the light comes on so early, still got nearly 12L left. Maybe the car is still too new, need to wait until the engine has run-in then do another fuel consumption test. Anyone has monitored the fuel consumption after the engine has run-in? is the any big difference?? The campro engine is really quite noisy but quite smooth though.. so no just need to get use to it ^^

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  • Andrew on Sep 30, 2009 at 5:02 am

    Looks good. Looking forward to test driving it here in Australia. Here it will be specified almost like the H-line, but even better, plus with the 1.6 campro instead of the 1.3, and it will be even cheaper then what it costs in Malaysia! Fantastic for first car buyers.

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  • wsr saga on Oct 02, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    i bought my saga b line manual in june and it’s now at 11000km. went home for raya, from kl – plus ( kuala kangsar ) – gerik – machang – besut. and spent rm70 for fuel. spent the same amount on my way back , besut – kuala terengganu – lpt ( kuantan) – karak highway – kl. still ok for such a car. last yr we went home with kelisa, took the cameron highland road and massive traffic jam for 3 hours in gua musang, we spent around 100.
    i travel ard 80 km everyday to go to work and return home, i spend ard 60 a week

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  • c_pkl on Oct 08, 2009 at 12:14 am

    Hi JT!

    Same experienced with me too. Maybe we can chat via my email: [email protected] to discuss our matter ok? Wait for you.

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  • if new saga night base line still available, i may consider to buy it…

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  • B Line is available. I am going to book a unit of M-Line. What colour is popular I wonder? I already own a red Iswara 1.5 so no more red for me…..

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  • go for silver, nice and easy to maintain.

    white would be too easy to get dirt

    black would be too black, if u prefer then its ok to pick it.

    blue is kinda ugly for this kind of small sedan.

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  • CeO of Proton stated that average of 7,000 bookings per month. Not Bad! Way to go Proton!

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  • ANAKRAMAI on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    dah booking SAGA SE PUTIH BLACK TOP….BANGGA….!

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  • how to diffentiate grey colour & blueberry tea colour? can any one post a picture of the real car with above colour. TQ.

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  • sanzoseifer on Jan 10, 2010 at 1:22 am

    the price is still unacceptable… still to expensive for a national car which are sold to the malaysian people… it should be below 35K for the M-Line model and less than that for the E-Line and B-line model…

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    • Myvi_Driver on Mar 27, 2010 at 2:55 am

      Why dont you ask for below 10K? Think wisely before posting bro.. :) You're the one I found complaining the Pricing. Lolz

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  • Boomber on Mar 03, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Wow..A bunch of BOLEHMAN in BOLEHLAND. Wake up, if you never demand for a better car, your BOLEHMAN will never think that their cars are bad. Sage is very good? This statement is as the same statement done by our police department – our crime rate is under control and reducing!

    We know whats happening and we know why such thinking so normal in MALAYsia. Grow up BOLEHMAN.

    Simply say,

    1) Those kinda dash board consider good quality? Joking?

    2) The acceleration is so sux, don't tell me you didn't notice and who cares how many hours you tested your campro? I sell you a cake, taste bad but i tell you I tried many times, is tat justify?

    3) The door lock looks like a stick, the door is empty like a sandwich, will that cost a burn in proton's costing?

    4) Service charges for proton is even higher compared to honda, toyota, anyone please?

    5) You buy a car to drive, not a car to tolerate.

    No demand, no comment is not something good. Don't act like an ostrich, hiding and neglecting never solve the problem.

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  • Boomber on Mar 03, 2010 at 8:08 am

    "ZZalways said,

    April 17, 2008 @ 10:58 pm

    According to Adam T, We are a family of 5 taking turns to drive it. We all like it. Very quiet. Comfortable. Steady. I have had 4 Saabs, 4 Volvos, 1 Jaguar, 1 Alfa Romeo, 1 Proton and 1 Honda and this one though simple is real favorite especially in town driving.

    For a person who drives so many good cars also feel saga is quiet n comfortable, how weird. For true readers who really wan to know how good the car is, go for a test drive. U will noe the engine is extremely loud, try knocking the interior u can feel the inside is empty hence wind sound is a problem. Comfortable?? If u were driving a kelisa, u will feel proton is comfortable but how weird, u drive jaguar also say saga is comfortable. For more true info about this car, i advise u all to go motor trade forum n have a look, the opinions there are more reliable. "

    If you owned so many different cars, you still opt for Saga, I doubt your IQ. I owned Kelisa and Honda, and I tested this Saga, I will say NO. Don't be naive, when you give statement, think of the age of ppl you trying to communicate. "4 Saabs, 4 Volvos, 1 Jaguar, 1 Alfa Romeo, 1 Proton and 1 Honda", you really make me laugh. Clap Clap

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  • Boomber on Mar 03, 2010 at 8:12 am

    I owned 3 BMWs, 1 MECs, 3 Astons, 2 Peugeot, 1 Honda and I think Sage is the best!!!!

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  • Silberbesteck on Mar 09, 2010 at 1:13 pm

    You address truth issue on that topic. In my opinion you handled it in a professional way. Hope you go further in this way, with your brilliant way of writing

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  • I totally agreed that the fuel comsumption for saga 1.3 auto sucks… it drink petrol like no body business… sigh…

    Just want to ask, any of you guys install those fuel saver device??? Heard from my old car machanic that it will help to improve the feul comsumption…

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  • K.W.Y on Mar 13, 2010 at 12:03 am

    erm.. fuel saver.. i think it hard to feel the effect..
    n 1.3L sage fuel comsump is about 9.x-10L/100km
    N i have drive a gen2 1.6L, the fuel comsump also almost same with 1.3.. too disapointed to SAGA. i rather use the 1.6L engine, at least when i kick the gas i can enjoy the acceleration.

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  • kawan yang saya hormat….proton saga yang i baru beli semasa 2009 sudah ada masalah dan terpaksa henti di tepi jalan sebanyak 4 kali….apa yang sudah bukti adalah bahagian elektronik kereta ini kurang stabil….sering menjadi punca utama keretaku mati enjin dan tidak mampu bergerak….kali pertama di auto city, juru…kali kedua di seremban highway dan nyaris berlaku accident~sigh~pd pendapat saya, proton wira yang mak saya pakai 13 tahun pun tidak pernah berlaku masalah sebegini walaupun mak saya selalu travel dari penang ke ipoh tiap-taip minggu….

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  • Dear KWY,

    You are rigth man… when going up the multi storey parking at my office, u can heard the sound of the engine struggling… sigh…

    Job,

    Tu kereta saga cermin I yang baru 3 minggu sudah berbunyi… krak krak krak masa jalan… i call tu proton 3S centre, dia cerita same i tu perkara biasa la bro, getah longgar jer… kita boleh repair, tapi tak granty tak dah bunyi… apa la…

    Kalau ada duit lebih, perkara pertama i buat yalah tukar tu bodoh punya proton n sumpah takan beli proton lagi…

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  • KWY,

    U r rite man… the car engine is struggling when i am going up the multi storey parking at my office… even mid valley parking at garden also u can heard the laud engine sound…

    Job,

    Tu la proton saga i yang baru 3 minggu tu, cermin tingkap sudah start berbunyi… krak krak krak masa jalan… i panggil tu proton 3S centre, tu machine cakap sama i, bro ni perkara biasa la… tu tingkat cermin getah longgar jer… tapi kalau repair pun, tak granty dia takan berbunyi lagi… WTF… betul betul bengan betul dengan penjelasan dia…

    In future, kalau ada duit, perkara pertama i buat yala tukar tu bodoh punya proton dengan kereta buatan jepun… n will nvr buy another proton again…

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  • Just bought this car with an automatic transmission a couple of months ago. I soon discovered that the steering wheel is kinda stiff. Is it normal for all BLM ?? Any other users facing the same problem as mine ? Or suggests that i should go and have a check up ??

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  • nonce on Mar 24, 2010 at 9:26 am

    what does it mean that the shifts are rubbery ?can anyone explain?

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  • Jan…. don't really understand what do you mean by stiff. can go test drive a saga blm at the showroom, see if the feeling is the same. If there is a big difference then should go for a check up

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    • Thanks for the reply, Jo.

      I am referring to the extra effort you have to put in when you turn the steering wheel. Drove my friend's Myvi the past few days, i'm sure the power steering of Myvi is so much ligher to handle. It felt so light even in stationary.

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      • Jan, i think you should bring it for a check up at proton's service center. i'm driving a saga blm everyday… the steering is light. As you compare it to myvi, i've driven a myvi before, myvi is definately lighter but not by much. Power steering is never hard to turn during stationary, it will always be light.

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        • I see. I shall bring it for a check then. thanks !!

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          • nanami on Jun 08, 2010 at 5:08 pm

            i’m sure it will not be a good things for high speed driving if the steering was too light (as in myvi).. unstabilise the car.. so i think, saga equipped with lotus driving tech. so the steering could feel like you’ve mention

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  • mohmed moustafa on Apr 07, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    im thinking for buying aproton saga but i need the final opinion about it is it agood car??

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  • mohmed moustafa on Apr 08, 2010 at 12:36 am

    what about new saga???

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  • It depends on how you look at it ^^ … certain ppl think it is a good car… some don’t… which car would like to compare it to? or you wanna compare it to the car in the same price range?

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  • Alfred on Apr 14, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Hello friends, I owned Saga for almost 4 months. I live in Jakarta, Indonesia. Fuel consumption on the highway is 1 liter petrol for 14 kilometer. On the crowded city roads, 1 liter for 10 kilometer, but often times less than that.

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    • alfred, your proton saga is manual or auto?

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      • Alfred on Apr 19, 2010 at 2:18 pm

        Mine is manual. Fuel consumption is not so great for this kind of car with such small engine.

        Maybe there will be improvement later from Proton.

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        • I am about to trade in my 11-year-old wira for a new saga. Was offered RM12,000 for my wira which doesn’t give me any major problems. Just thought it is about time for a change before my wira gives up on me. Having second thoughts now after reading all the negative feedback about saga. Anyone out there who can give me some advice?

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          • MABakar on Apr 28, 2010 at 10:08 am

            May, I would suggest that you get the manual tranmission. My 1.3 Auto mileage is not something to be proud of. We use the Saga to ferry our kids to school. Since there are lots of “stop” i.e 3 locations, waiting in car with aircond on, the mileage was quite low (Full tank 140 to 170km). Else the car is acceptable for the value of money that we paid – RM39+K.

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        • My saga is 1.3, anything we can do for the fuel consumption? Heard is because some thing about the IAFM that cannot close causing fuel consumption higher and it can be adjust. I heard this from an uncle when I service my car but I not sure what is it. Anyone know?

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          • nanami on Jun 08, 2010 at 5:01 pm

            1.3 auto full tank (fc is about 170km)?? I’m not sure about that. Mine was also auto.. FC is about full tank 350km.. full tank usually cost about RM 55.. constantly using shell ron95.. so roughly about 15 sen per KM..

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  • Chris on Apr 30, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    May, dont be so worry… at first my thoughts same as you right now but after i used it for 6 months (manual), i am very satisfied so far =) dont compare with imported vehicles as its very very cheap already, i mean new Saga.

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  • Been using the new saga for 1 year… very good car (Manual). the only unsatisfied thing is the electric door mirror… got some rattling noise… will bring it to warranty soon.. other things all still solid… ^^ Cheers

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  • fakhrul (Member) on May 12, 2010 at 2:03 am

    huhuhu…which one? viva or saga.. ;-p

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    • nanami on Jun 08, 2010 at 4:55 pm

      definitely saga blm.. much more value.. more space..look smarter..more stable at high speed..stable taking a corner..

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  • Alfred on May 14, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    almost 3000km, some noise occur from gearbox when i hit the accelerator on 1st gear (almost unheard), 3rd gear (louder), and 5th gear (loudest). Rattling sound like trrr, trrrr, trrr. Release the accelerator and the noise will be gone.

    2nd and 4th gear create no problem/noise.

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  • eymo enaby on May 20, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    i,m from Egypt , SUEZ . Looks good. Looking forward to test driving it here in Australia. Here it will be specified almost like the H-line, but even better, plus with the 1.6 campro instead of the 1.3, and it will be even cheaper then what it costs in Malaysia! Fantastic for first car buyers

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    • pacifictuna on Aug 18, 2010 at 5:50 pm

      envy….. thay call it S16 there right? with 2 airbags.

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  • My saga so far is six months old, so far still ok. Just change a thing in one of the doors cause the lock jam. But better don’t drive too fast, the car don’t have abs. I “drift” my car till it go up road divider the other day when I went through the corner a little bit too fast. After that, I spend rm300 to fix the tyre.

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    • nanami on Jun 08, 2010 at 5:12 pm

      siapa suruh bawak laju-laju masa cornering

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    • Alfred on Jun 24, 2010 at 2:59 pm

      ha ha ha, I ran through corner twice (almost O in shape) at 60 km/hour and still reached home in one piece, no accident happened. Because the corner is highwat toll road with sloping contour just like bicycle race’s velodrome.

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  • nanami on Jun 08, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    sapa tahu macam mana nak solve problem spring suspension tayar belakang kurang bagus.. i have problem when full loading the car (3 passangers at back seat), the back tyres touch the car body. I’m had change to 16′ rims and tyre size.

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    • Alfred on Jun 24, 2010 at 2:52 pm

      Yeah, the rear springs or the rear shock absorbers or maybe both, are weak. When fully loaded the rear tires easily dipped into the rear fenders. And my Saga (6 month-old and almost 4000 km) lean to the driver’s side a little bit, driver’s side distance of rear tire to fender arc is 1 – 2 cm lower than the left side, and the driver’s side distance of front tire to fender arc is 0,5 – 1 cm lower than the left side. those numbers are fluctuative.

      Some says, the differences are caused by the nature of the car itself which make it driver’s side heavy (the placement of the steering wheel, petrol tank, etc) and caused by routinely loaded by driver alone/ no passenger.

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      • nanami on Jul 11, 2010 at 10:21 am

        ok.. how to solve it? any suggestion brand new suspension spring on the market?

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  • Cron Kit on Jun 08, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Can anyone tell me Saga BLM better or VIVA? I heard Saga really petrol sucker. Meanwhile Viva power looser. New Saga also lesser torque than previous version. Please let me know which is better…all expert.. please

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  • New saga which has the campro engine, famous for lacking torque during pick up. Manual version not bad at all. Auto version felt very weak during pick up, once get going not too bad also. City driving campro engine FC really suck. Long distance driving GREAT FC. Viva 1000cc engine felt powerful during pickup when the car is not loaded with ppl and stuff but when sit very full, the car felt really weak, especially driving up hill, really will pengsan. Get Saga Manual, A Bigger car, A lot bigger than Viva, More powerful, FC, if combined with city and long distance (Highway) driving not bad. Pure city driving have to sacrifice ur wallet a bit ^^.
    Roughly my own FC for pure city driving RM55 will give about 280 to 300km. Pure long distance journey driving will give about 450km.

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    • pacifictuna on Aug 18, 2010 at 5:44 pm

      totally agreed! btw, my friend with a viva always complain 1 thing. the sound of the door shutting. haha. she say like closing tin can. BANG!

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  • holic on Jun 12, 2010 at 10:40 am

    already booked a new saga b-line manual… waiting a call from the bank 4 the loan agreement.. cant wait to drive my own very first car… hahaha…. before this only drive my dads kancil.. even fully upgraded, with a golden color… (if u noticed in sentul area…) thats me.. but my “oren’ usually gives me a nerves especially with the alternator… whatever… going to drive a new car soon… sorry oren… but the compliment is for u since u r the first edition of kancil born with only 4 gears… u r still the best…

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  • mr fly on Jun 16, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    thanks people for sharing your experience especially for those who were using saga blm auto transmission…still the best price for a new automatic car

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  • Ricky on Jul 14, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Halo. would lov to ask.. i was thinking of buying this new saga. bcox its all about budget :).. and suddenly heard little birdy compare bout this saga and myvi.. convince me to buy saga pls :).. now so confuse.. tell me the best thing bout saga.. never test it yet.. and i read somwhere compalining bout the FC?? what is that? Fuel? And some say DONT BUY SAGA AUTO for some reason? mmmm somebody help me….

    btw, like the special edition saga but dnt like the roof top color… :)

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    • aku noob on Jul 24, 2010 at 11:10 pm

      best things:
      1- car price very afforable (u dont wait long to get this car)
      2- cheap spare parts and easily available
      3- FC depend on driving attitude. if u always want to rempit…of cos la FC high
      4- better buy manual transmission saga,,,no underpower feeling…(auto saga fell slightly underpower)
      5- quite big boot space.. enough for a family consist of husband, wife and 2-3 kids…
      6- saga se is also a good car but i recommend u to buy M-line is enough (if u r not a bikin guy)
      7- saga b-line also good coz u can “bikin” the way u like to add its accesories
      8- remember…buy saga manual transmission…its more fun to drive
      9- this car is the most suitable and affordable car in its class…won alot of awards
      10- if u want to compare it with other car..compare rm40k car with other rm40k car..dont compare rm40k car with rm80k car ok? :-) there are no other car in malaysia that can give sedan car with price of 30-40k…right??? :-D

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  • Saga BeLum Masak 1.6 on Jul 26, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Dengarlah rintihanku (As complaint to i-Care)

    Saya telah membeli PROTON SAGA 1.6 IAFM DAN didaftarkan pada 16 Julai 2009. Sehingga hari ini saya telah melalui perjalanan melebihi 40 000 Km dan telah menempuhi berbagai masalah yang memerlukan penjelasan, pemerhatian dan tindakan pembetulan yang segera dari pihak PROTON.

    3 Ogos 2009 – Menukar IAFM manifold kerana bunyi Enjin yang agak bising semasa Idling dan semasa dalam perjalanan. Sekarang masalah ini macam belum selesai kerana bunyi enjin masih agak bising berbanding dengan kereta Persona yang menggunakan enjin yang sama??

    5 Ogos 2009 – Saya telah meminta Proton Edar KT untuk mengesahkan TOE-IN /TOE-OUT bagi AXLE belakang yang disahkan oleh 3 Kedai tayar, melebihi +4mm sedangkan tahap Julat yang boleh diterima adalah tidak melebihi 1mm.

    Masalah yang timbul adalah Setiap kali selepas Alignment dibuat (depan Sahaja) saya dapati berat stereng adalah lebih kearah kiri dan untuk mengimbangkan pemanduan saya terpaksa menahan stereng kekanan sedikit dan ini menyebabkan ketidakselesaan semasa memandu. Saya menyemak Alignment setiap 10,000Km dan melakukan Rotation Tayar untuk mengelakkan kehausan bunga tayar yang tak seimbang.

    Sehingga ke hari ini saya masih belum menerima sebarang maklumbalas dari pihak PROTON.

    23 Ogos 2009 – saya telah memandu Kereta ini sehingga kehabisan minyak (enjin Mati) kira kira 100 meter dari stesen minyak. Apabila diisi saya hanya mampu mengisi sejumlah 36 Liter petrol SAHAJA sehingga keparas maksima yang boleh diisi. Apabila merujuk carta dan catitan perbatuan yang saya buat. Saya dapati memang benar bahawa minyak yang boleh digunakan oleh Kereta ini tidak mampu melebihi 36 Liter dan bukannya 40 Liter sebagaimana yang didakwa oleh PROTON dalan iklan. (Akta Perihal Dangangan)

    25 Ogos 2009 – Hazard switch mengalami kerosakan dan lampu membelok tidak dapat digunakan. Switch telah ditukar di Kuantan.

    17 Disember 2009 – Buat pelarasan brek belakang yang kurang cengkam serta laporan lain melibatkan railing Seat pemandu yang sentiasa bergerak semasa mengambil selekoh. Buat laporan semula mengenai AXLE Belakang tetapi masih tiada jawapan. (Tiada Tindakan??)

    27 Disember 2009 – Balut Kerusi. Menemui kerosakan pada spring alas belakang yang terjatuh, dibaiki sendiri.

    – Stud tayar putus semasa hendak dibuka untuk Rotate tayar kali ke 3, didapati nat tayar yang kurang berkualiti menjadi punca.

    – Buat laporan di Kuala Terengganu tetapi tiada tindakan susulan. Didapati SEMUA nat tayar (yang dipasang di kilang) menghadapi masalah yang sama.

    31 Disember 2009 – Minta PROTON EDAR MELAKA untuk mengesahkan masalah Nat Tayar tersebut semasa berkunjung ke Melaka. Juruteknik terpaksa menukarkan 2 Stud dan tidak mampu membuka Nat tayar depan kanan kerana Stud tercabut dan nat telah rosak. (Kerosakan ini telah saya baiki sendiri dengan memotong nat yang rosak dan menggantikan dengan Stud lain.) (Nak harapkan PROTON….?? SAPURA HOLDING asyik salahkan Kedai tayar je..)

    15 Januari 2010 – Rotate tayar kali ke empat. Terdapat kesan kehausan yang ketara pada keempat empat tayar walaupun baru 39507Km.

    22 Januari 2010 – Major service. Juruteknik Persona Capital mengesahkan Bearing Tayar belakang telah rosak akibat dari masalah AXLE yang belum selesai. Akan ke kuala Terengganu dalam masa yang terdekat untuk mengesahkan masalah dan Claim Warranty.
    23 Januari 2010 – tukar Stud Tayar belakang kanan (duit sendiri- belum ada pengesahan dari Proton samada nak bagi warranty atau tidak)

    15 Febuari 2010 – Rotate tayar sekali lagi. Tayar dah makin teruk.

    22 Febuari 2010 – major Service di Persona capital. Confirm kedua dua bearing belakang dah rosak. Perlu ke Kuala terengganu ASAP

    28 Febuari 2010 – Ke Kuala Terengganu untuk tukar Slider Seat Depan (warranty). Confirm sekali lagi dengan Proton Edar KT, kedua dua bearing tayar belakang dah rosak teruk. Order Parts, minta hantar ke Melaka sebab ada tugasan disana.

    17 Mac 2010 – Proton Edar Melaka. tak dapat confirm masalah Axle Belakang sebab mesin rosak. Tukar bearing belakang kiri. Tukar satu set Drum,bearing dan skru tayar sebelah kanan (lubang skru dah rosak- semua warranty)

    22 Mac 2010 – Cuba tanya Proton Edar Kuantan, nak check Axle tapi mesin mereka rosak jugak. (KT tadak mesin, Melaka ngan Pahang punya pun Rosak????? – pakat ke?)

    2 April 2010 – Rotate tayar untuk kesekian kalinya…

    30 April 2010 – COSE, Takyah naik mesin pun, teknikal Confirm Axle belakang memang rosak sebelah Kiri sebab ketara sangat. (Letih 8 Bulan round separuh Semenanjung – nak Confirm tu jee!! ) barang tak ada dalam Stok, kena order (warranty). Minta confirmkan sekali masalah tangki minyak. Juruteknik cuma adjust Hose je. kena test dulu. Tukar cermin sisi yang retak ( Tadak warranty ni) Tukar tayar 2 biji sebab dah tak selamat digunakan (tak sempat nak guna lebih 60K Km)

    14 Mei 2010 – COSE sekali lagi sebab Axle belakang dah ada, datang awal pagi sebab nak minta check tangki minyak sekali lagi, masih tak dapat utilised lebih dari 37 Liter minyak sedangkan model baru senang senang je isi 41 Liter. Tunggu dari pagi sampai jam 5 petang, Axle dengan Minyak brek siap dah tapi tangki minyak tak usik pun, asyik adjust hose je. Lepas darah makin mendidih barulah nak check tapi nak amik masa 1 jam setengah lagi, tu pun tak jamin boleh bagi keputusan. Alasan yang diterima dari teknikal – kenapa tak bagi tau awal. Alasan lain – tangki itu di cipta untuk 40 liter tapi boleh guna cuma 37 liter je ?? Ni alasan ke atau malas nak buat kerja.

    Dahlah nak confirm pasal Axle pun ambil masa 8 BULAN, Skru patah sebab kualiti rendah pun kena ambil masa 6 BULAN baru nak percaya. Nak minta bahagian Teknikal Check tangki, tunggu dari jam 745 pagi sampai 5 petang, lepas kena marah baru nak check. lepastu suruh pulak buat appointment hari lain untuk check semula. APA DAH JADI DENGAN PROTON NI

    Note: Latest test still cannot fill up to 40l from empty. Rear Axle toe-in/toe-out +2.8mm (Standard is less than 0.7mm and max total of 1.4mm both side). Engine….. can be heard from 200mtr away esp at night.

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 06, 2010 at 1:17 am

    Blm m-line manual saya baru berumur 1tahun 6bulan(angkat krt pd 14/2/2009), baru jln 16000km. Aku mendapati IAFM manifold ku rosak dan dah bagi tahu SC masa service 15000km, Sc confirm memang masalah iafm dan suruh aku tunggu 1 hingga 2 bulan sebab kena menunggu giliran krn waiting list yang panjang. Kini dah nak masuk bulan ke dua tetapi masih tiada khabar dari SC.
    Dulu bila aku buat service 5000km tu complaint kat Sc berkaitan dengan gulung getah yang rosak kat pintu belakang, dia org juga cakap tak ada stok dan suruh aku tunggu, stok datang, akan call aku, tapi aku tunggu sampai 4 bulan sehinggalah buat service 10000km, baik angin baru Sc layan dan terus tukar free.
    Kesimpulanya, nak claim warratty, kena bersabarlah tunggu. Patutlah beli krt proton ni ada 5 tahun warrantty sebab claim tu ambil masa yang lama.

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  • mamamia on Aug 11, 2010 at 3:56 am

    wow….banyak betul masalah kete ni…aku jadi takut nak belilaaa…teruk sangat ke??

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 11, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Aku cakap terus terang, Kete ni taklah teruk sangat.Handlingya bagus,Chassinya kuat(sebab pinjam chassi Savvy yang sebenarnya datang dari chassi Renault Twingo),Sound sistem ori(m-line) memuaskan, jauh lebih baik berbanding dgn Myvi punya .Ruangnya luas,bootnya besar.
    Yang menjadi masalah ialah servicenya.Mekanik yang kurang kemahiran,Spare part ordering yang kurang efficient, huru, hara. QC yang kurang baik(Ini yang buat saya marahni, ini yg menjadikan Kualiti keseluruhan kete turun sebab ada kete yang perfect tanpa apa-apa masalah, ada kete yg baru pandu keluar Shop dah mati di tepi jalan!

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  • K.W.Y on Aug 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    i am a driver of BLM-M line manual.. i claim my IAFM manifold from about 1 n half month ago.
    4 day ago they call me n tell me tat my manifold was there, ask me back to claim it.. so they take around half day to change it.. n after done i drive my car the power n fuel consumtion was no change.. juz the “tak tak tak” sound gone..
    today is the 4th day after i using the new manifold, but seem like the “tak tak tak” is back.. but not loud as before change it..
    hope they r not stupid n get me a same type, I want another better type of it.. if of the problem still there… SO MAYBE I WILL BACK TO CLAIM ANOTHER 1 AGAIN AFTER A MONTH…

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 13, 2010 at 10:48 pm

    Yap, it seems like your SC didn’t change the whole IAFM unit for u, they just change a rod inside ur manifold, that’s why your car’s power and FC not change and the “tat” sound come back. One advice for u, use your car untill the ‘Tat” sound loud enough to sound like broken engine and complaint to them your car”pick up decrease and Fc increase(eventhough it wasn’t true). Then, they will change the whole IAFM unit for u thus solve your problems once for all. This is not kidding. Their procedure is like this.
    First claim>Change rod>claim again with serious Tat sound>Change whole unit. If u simply claim warranty just for minor sound, u will always Claim the “rod” only.

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  • K.W.Y on Aug 14, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    agree with u Teo2442.. coz except tat manifold i still want to test other part… so i always kick my rev to 6k.. haha.. hope all the problem come out before end of warranty..
    N how about the CD player.. last time when i listen to FM then the frequency keep jump to a malay channel.. susah la.. n tat time the SC ppl told me tat is biasa.. coz many car also kena, so if u want juz go to reset or claim it .. but i never go to do it..
    because i get a cheap 2nd hand player.. so juz install n use it.. the problem never back..

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Many-many Blm’s Clarion CD-players have that problem. Yap, don’t bother to reset or claim it, it’s justn waiting ur time coz that piece of junk coz just RM 100++. For this Clarion, playing the cd is ok, the sound is much better compare to Myvi stock cd player, but when you are listening to the FM, Gosh! sound quality drop significantly and the frequency will always in auto search mode.
    However, i have to give credit to the m-line 4 speakers, not because of their quality, but because of their locations especially the rear speakers. If u have limited budget, just change the player( u can find many nicer player in less that RM300++), woola, i’m sure you will enjoy those pop songs, but If you are one of those Hip-hop or Rock fan, an amplifier will be necessary.

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  • Ricky Chong on Aug 17, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    okay now.. i already buy saga m-line (auto).. so far so gud.
    but…. is it normal its not sound proof. Just wondering, is it normal i can hear the engine and any sound from outside even all my window shut (pls advice). And just minor problem like the rubber for front glass a little bit peeling… i think the glue not dat strong. Just use the car 2 week now. Go to my 1st service they said take time to change the rubber. So will just wait untill it get worst n i will come back ;)

    N other thing… for the car 1st service i’ll wait for about 2 hour( 1st service mean nothing wrong with car). ++ i already booked for 10am. (i thik its normal too) rite??

    Anywhere love my new saga..Cheers!

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  • pacifictuna on Aug 18, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    ok, my gf bought m-line saga manual. got it on july 2008. (2 years).

    routine balik kampung every fortnightly to bentong so karak is like her backyard. it’s a good car, doing it’s job nicely. fc not bad, depends really on how you rempit it. her brother hit a terrible fc but her’s are fine.

    problems? bad qc. the rubber trim on rear door not properly glued, faulty fog lamp switch, faulty power window buttons and faulty rear drum brake (left). however, the best solution is a good SC. she had all her problems solved in Cheras SC. claimed warranty, paid nothing but a few hours of waiting. new parts also. so no complain here…….. only have to book in advance cause this FC have alot of customer.

    only one major concern, the IAFM module. she just got this problem (after 2 years) and was told that the waiting time is 4 months! another okay sc in sri kembangan confirmed this. this problem can be fixed in bout a month or so if you visit glenmarie….

    the major flaw is service from SC. once you got a good sc, 80% of the problems are considered solved. at least IMHO.

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 18, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Yap! i’m totally agree with u,pacifictuna. The biggest weakness for saga blm is the IAFM module. The service provided from SC also very dissapointed. In my place, just have one Sc,so i have to follow what they said. They told me i’ll have to wait for 2 months inorder to fix my IAFM problems. Now is already 1 week left, i’m really hope they kept their promise.

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  • After using the saga blm auto for 6 months, my conclusion is to save enough money n to upgrade to a toyota asap… n forget about the idiot proton who has always take their customer for a ride…

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  • Derick on Aug 28, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    The back window is not auto, still using the manual 1..Dissapointed

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    • Alfred on Aug 30, 2010 at 10:29 am

      I think people at Proton designed this car to be functional only the half-front portion of the car. Two people in the car, it’s still good. But if you put people on the rear seat, they will complaining about the manual rear window and the rear suspensions that sag too much when fully loaded.

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  • Teo2442 on Aug 31, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Consider it’s price, manual rear window isn’t a big deal. But the soft rear suspensions do become a problem especially for those who had change their BLM stock wheel to large 16 Inches wheels. If you keep your BLM stock wheels, then this will not become a big problem for you. I am a 110kg male who often travel with my family(Mum,65Kg++,sister,80kg++,aunty,60kg++, and over 60kgs luggage stuck under the boot lid), travel along the 400km++B Road from Sibu To Kuching.My mum and sister never complaint about the rear seat.

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    • Alfred on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:10 pm

      what? you’ve got family of giants… :)

      i hope you’ll never hit a pothole in high speed with that kind of loads.

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  • Teo2442 on Sep 12, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Not giant, but all fatty one. Thanks to my mom good cooking skill.

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    • shiva on Oct 07, 2010 at 4:48 pm

      yeah..very gud car…bt im planning 2 buy saga se..is it ok..wat do u tink my dear frenz.

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  • Teo2442 on Oct 08, 2010 at 12:05 am

    In My opinion, i think Saga se is overprice. I would rather save that extra rm 5000 and buy me a m-line, use that extra rm 5000 to modi my car. Let’s start calculate:
    Bodykid-Rm 1500, Pioneer audio head-Rm 530, leather wrap on steering-rm200, full leather set for car’s seats-Rm1800-rm 2300.(By the way, i bought a set of nice pvc set for my m-line saga, look exactly like genuine leather, feel good and cooler compared to coolmax set under hot sunny day, all this for just rm380).
    So, if you know how to count, i’m sure you won’t consider buying the Se. For god sake, my frenz, with rm 5000, u can modi ur saga with much better performance or look or accesorries compared to stock Se.

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  • Denny Lim on Oct 08, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    Having problem with the gear box. Sent to Proton for service but it still face the same problem. Jerking during changing gear from high gear to low gear.

    Signal light also malfunction. proton technician mention it the double switch failure.

    Aiyoo… how i am going to drive without the signal light??

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  • Teo2442 on Oct 09, 2010 at 12:56 am

    Simple solution, go to sc and fix it. I believe signal light malfunction is just a minor problem which can be fix easily. I just got my iafm module changed after waiting for 3 months! Now, my saga is running smoothly without that annoying noise which nearly driving me crazy! :)

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  • Chaning Tatum on Oct 18, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Nice Car….

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  • zainal abidin on Nov 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Why isn’t Proton no more selling the N-Line (RM32K) model? There is still a very large market for this ‘least expensive model’. We think Proton should reintroduce it…

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  • Alfred on Dec 06, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    after 8234 km on odometer, suddenly my clutch pedal became very hard when i shifted up from 2nd gear to 3rd gear. This is abnormal, because proton saga cluch pedal is normally soft.

    No solution from proton official repair center. Up until now, the clutch pedal is very hard during shift up or shift down at any gear, even during idle.

    what is causing this?

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    • Paul Tan on Dec 06, 2010 at 10:23 pm

      Change your clutch slave cylinder?

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      • Alfred on Dec 10, 2010 at 10:00 am

        not yet…the mechanic just cleaned the clutch, he said the clutch might be accumulated dirt.

        if the problem is in the clutch slave cylinder, how come it broke at only 8000 km of use?

        faulty assembling? bad quality material? or bad foot (misuse)?

        anyone ever experienced this kind of problem?

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        • Alfred on Feb 23, 2011 at 6:11 pm

          after the cleaning, the clutch is lighter, but not as light as brand new. The mechanic has a diagnosis: one or two teeth in matahari is broken and offers me to change the whole clutch assembly under warranty, free of charge, he he he

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  • shandy on Dec 26, 2010 at 12:48 am

    i having tis car in yrs 2008. car very comfortable but fuel pay more if go many trips in 3 day RM50 full tank.

    body very heavier, sometime change gear not smoothly. am consider change another car to replace it if am abiliti. proton svc ctr quote me RM580 in 1st major svc, for me price really high to keep for maintain.

    after a year the absober having big sound in rear tyre, and having ‘chit-chit’ sound on test board really irritate to me.

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  • mel24 on Dec 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    saya beli kete ni last year 2009….bru je keluar dari kedai kete tu, dah ada rasa gegar bila brek…the next day saya p hantar ke workshop proton, complain pasal bila brek tu ada rasa gegar….pas tu mekanik kat situ, dia lye break tu jer….then saya ambik kete saye tu, saye test lagi, masih tetap sama bergegar bila brek, saye dtg balik ke wokshop proton, dia org lye lagi brek kete saye tu…pekara yg sama tiada perubahan masih bergegar sampai sekarang…..ada poblem jugak kete msia ni….kete saye tu sampai sekarang masih lagi ada rasa bergegar bila brek…

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  • Free Picture Album on Jan 11, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Nice car with rich development feature

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  • TITINA on Mar 06, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Hello Paul
    Kami baharu sahaja membeli proton saga FL selepas menjual toyota vios E type tahun 2009. Tentu terkejut kerana downgrade dari toyota ke proton, tetapi kami berpendapat vios bukanlah sebuah kereta yang berbaloi dengan harga hampir RM80,000, ia tetap memberi kami masalah seperti dashboard longgar, batang lampu signal tidak kembali ke neitral selepas membelok, handling dan ride yang membuang dan bouncing, sungguh tidak selesa apabila kereta melantun-lantun , walaupun vios mempunyai engine dan transmission yang lebih baik dari proton, memandu vios di highway amat menakutkan kerana kereta bergoyang dan teras membuang apabila ada angin lintang atau memoton/dipotong lori dan bas.
    Menakjubkan apabila menggunakan proton saga fl, memandu terasa lebih seronok walaupun pada selekoh yang tajam berbanding vios , bodyroll yang amat sangat. Memandu saga FL seperti kereta buatan eropah, ride dan handling lebih selesa dan amat baik pada harga hanya RM40,000. Internal dan external berbaloi dengan harga kereta berbanding vios , dashboard nampak terlalu plastik dan murah, tidak ada tekstur, termasuk design pintu yang murah, materialpun terasa murah dan lembik. Kaki saya beberapa kali terluka terkena pada control power-window yang tajam .
    Saya berbangga dengan proton, cuma diharap proton dapat R & D enjin dan transmission kepada yang lebih baik daripada sekarang.
    Solid dan berbaloi, tak banyak komplain pada harga ini

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  • hi, just want 2 share.. almost 1 year i’m using this saga.. i bought the b-line auto trnmission.. but frankly speaking, i did felt very ashamed when i took my frens out with my car.. i felt myself the pick up was so bad… the steering also very hard to control…. the fuel pedal also hard to push… compare to myvi auto…
    guys, any idea how can i improve my saga… one of my frens said, “ur car was so bad compared to kelisa auto, were all saga auto like that..?”, “r u using 1.0 saga?”… hurm very annoying to hear such that silly questions… but i just stay quiet and smile.. huhu..;(

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  • hello paul!

    just want to ask, what would you prefer between proton saga, viva and myvi? i’ve been thinking about this for a quite long time. Saya sebenarnya baru bekerja, tak rancang pun utk ada sebuah kereta dalam masa terdekat. tapi tugas saya melibatkan kerja luar, and it will make me easier to mobilize if i have a car rather than a motorcycle. main concern sebelum memilih kereta ni, adalah monthly installment. saya bkn kedekut, tapi keadaan ekonomi sekarang membuat saya menjadi berkira. :D hope u can provide me some useful guideline before buying a car. btw, saya boleh dikatakan x reti sangat pasal hal kereta ni.

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  • khamporn moonphumy on Mar 18, 2012 at 12:34 am

    I use a 1.3l proton saga, made in 2011. The problem with the automatic transmission cars – not an economic fuel, my car used 12.5 liters per 100 kilometers, when I drive at a speed of 50 km / h in town. My husband tells me that his 2010 Ford Ranger 4×4 while consuming less than my car. I do not know what to do with them. contact your dealer, they also do not know why it happened. why it happened? as will apply to plants? or so we will write online about a proton saga?

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  • old car on Jan 26, 2013 at 8:13 pm

    cannot say much about Saga BLM. it’s 50-50.. ada yang baik & ada yang buruk..

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  • Anas Takiyudin on Dec 04, 2017 at 8:44 pm

    It’s now 2017. Almost 10 years after I got the car on 2008. I’d say it’s a reliable car. Treat it with respect, do regular maintenance as you should and you’ll never be stranded in the middle of journey. Quite thirsty for petrol but the maintenance is super cheap.

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    • I still keep my 2010 Saga . Compare to the latest Saga, the BLM drive is more solid ,stable and comfortable. maybe because it is heavy. Only things is petrol thirsty, can understand as it has 3 gears only. if cruising at 100 km/h, it will stay around 3.100 to 3,300 rpm. This car never back down despite rough usage. it still running strong.

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