I guess all o&g supplier should starts to look at their products as well, despite their eagerness to sell conventional quality fuel at premium price though…

Just my opinion..

not alone the performance, but the engine that really design specifically for fuel efficient, its like having a choice of idsi or vtech like honda,,,

so, how? ask me, i have a lot of suggestion,
to do it,,,,,??
but i still belive campro engine still can go for another valvetrain design , to serve some who are looking solely the importance of km/l.

so with existing 16v campro valvetrain, they can introduce a short duration intake valve with slightly lower lift, that certainly more to increase bottom end, what the need is newer camshaft with newer calibration, and engine management,
but to take the opportunity of this torque biased new power curve CVT is advisable for fuel economy,
if it manual probaly it would be a bit of an issue, but work the best if the driver drive sedately or short shifting,

just a tought,

because even lotus know the best heart for its machine is from the east,

and even the eastern made modern diesel is not bad,
so for the quest for engine efficiency, the present engine will be futher made adaptable towards the race for the engine efficiency, and not to forget the performance as part of the proton spirit,

just a tought

Used one Isuzu diesel sedan for 3 years way back in late 80′s to use it to travel around the States.

Bravo Isuzu.

Too bad could not get a diesel sedan here, excluding Merc, BMW and Audi

Cheers.

Avoid VW renault etc.. but try get Nissan.

IMHO , the best one is ISUZU!.. imagine.. the isuzu Dmax (best FC engine and performance wise) in a new proton mpv diesel.. should be a bomb!.

Isuzu not sell well in other business.. dealing with proton might be better for both of them..

Regards..

From my 2 cents, i still remember the review of this Proton Wira Diesel. It’s body is same as other wira, but the engine was outsource from Citroen, in coolaboration of development of Proton Tiara. And the review said it’s cost of running at that time was better tahn 1.5 Wira petrol (at that time diesel fuel just cost you 50cents per liter).

And from my 2cents also, the lack of development of Diesel engine in Malaysia is mostly caused by the Diesel fuel available. As I understand Malaysia’s Diesel grade is only comply with Euro2 (correct me if I wrong) where in Europe the fuel itself is already up to Euro5. That is the major problem in here, and most of diesel-engine based car owner over here are complaining on this fuel as i makes the engine unefficient and makes it faster to wear off.

As ferruccio said about Audi R10 TDi engine it actually abeit advanced from normal Diesel engine, but the real performance factor is the type of Diesel they using it. Some sort like V-Power fuel for diesel engine, it’s using a blended of Diesel-NGV, which if it’s sell in Malaysia rite now, it will cost as much as V-Power petrol fuel.

As on my behalf, I glad to hear that Proton is going into 1.8 and 2.0 liter engine capacity, and hopefully they also will developed Rear-Wheel Drivetrain…hmmm just like R3 Waja..

The gud news is, gahmen hv started to improve diesel quality to Euro 2 since last year. They’ve also said that they plan to achieve Euro 4 std in 2009, which means this yr’s diesel ought to be Euro 3 std. And I doubt it’s “just an election gimmick”, cuz it was announced at a time when election was hardly spoken of.

That said, the oni thing left now is for the gahmen to restructure the ludicrous road tax for diesel engines. They’re usually in the region of more than 2.5L, so normally, the savings from using diesel is pretty much killed by the amt of road tax that needs to b paid.

This is my first comment in this site although I have followed Paul’s ranting since early 2007 (and feed subscriber).

Although Proton has made progress in going into black as far as their account is concern, its share price is still way below its NTA. It is now hovering around RM3.92 to RM4.00 which way below its high around RM9 before the leadership crisis.

I believe Proton may have made progress in producing saleable car such as Proton Saga but it still need to beef up its effort to launch new models at least 2 per year. Proton must also ensure its new model are priced much lower than other make as it still can’t compete on design and quality (or rather people’s confidence level of perceived quality).

Fred Chan

The problem in Malaysia is our poor diesel quality. It ruins the best high tech green diesel engines the europeans make.

Good idea if Proton produce diesel models but aim for foreign market.

I still remember in the old days people think of diesel as a polluting source, nowadays this has changed, diesel being a cleaner and lower running cost! But it is only true that if its a latest technology diesel.

It would be very nice too if they can ever make a TDI, but I doubt it will be near future.

With a partner specialised in heavy vehicles, Proton could easy learn to produce these vehicles on their own (for a decade or two, at worst) and ditch them when the time comes, just like it did with Mitsubishi for passenger cars. From that point on, Proton could face off with Inokom’s CKD trucks.

What happened to the previous D2.0 version wira?

What happened to the Envo-diesel that was launched by the PM?

Instead of building one from scratch, maybe they should just take a ready made and put into a new model, just like the Renault engine for Savvy.

the next best thing to do is supercharge or turbocharge the smaller campro engine to be fitter in the baseline model of the MPV for better fc like VW and fiat trying to do…bring in the all new proton waja to be in the same class as civic,lancer,focus and altis..so it would push perdana to an higher class like accord and camry..and use that platform to make larger MPV and SUVs…the make a super compact peoples car with two cylinder engine with a electric motor(hybrid) better refinement than TATA’s nano!!something like suzuki splash… and finally mix and match platforms and technology like toyota to create more models..proton should concentrate on ASIA..especially india and china cause these countries are the most rapidly growing once…forget Europe and australia for a while…

That soot and Nox and Sox’s from incomplete combustion. Diesel burn more completely than gasoline. But dirty diesel does not burn completely.

Ooooh and that 1% benzene in gasoline is a known carcinogenic. Smell those fumes when you stop at the pump. Funny how they put it in really fine print at the pump. Go look and see.

Think about it. Get back the petrodollars by taxing gas guzlers. Spend on alternative fuel studies. Truth is; those peeps in the House has got an S320 (or 750i) stashed somewhere. So you think they would sign on the dotted line?

Aw c’mon! We know how they work don’t we? Its the ‘What’s-In-It-For-Me?’ question. It would never happen.

Mercedes is developing this I believe with their Blutec (unsure spelling) engine technology. A petrol engine that is able to vary it’s compression ratio and actually be able to operate under compression-ignition. If it works it would be quite remarkble possibly the most fuel eficient petrol engine in the world by leaps

don’t you think that diesel might not be good for the environment?
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No, in fact the diesel engines are cleaner and more efficient than our petrol engines.