This is because other manufacturer’s only look on statistics and $$, and they will see that proton still survives in msia with this kind of QC. They wont care of who supports proton behind financially or what. The key point there is consumer still supports them, kept buying them.

Conclusion, honda, toyota, and other brands might think that buying cheap parts for msia consumers is more than enough, since they are those ‘tidak apa’ type and take in whatever QC available, so there is no point for them to increase their QC.

In future, mayb other car brands consumer will also visit the service centre regularly too. And the mechanic will say, ‘biasalah.. ini msia’..

when Toyota do recalls, Proton also got bashed. When Grandis slipped the PLUS highway killing all the occupants last month, .Proton also got to be bashed also..? When a (few) Mercedes Benz suddenly caught fire in a series of separate events I guess Proton also kena bashed somehow …

I guess later when US economy getting Proton also have to be bashed lah.

LOTF.

April 13, 2008 @ 9:02 am

AzaniLaiho said,

April 11, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

Go Honda!!…the most reliable car on earth…

I wish this is true not a MYTH. BTW l do prefer Civic over new Altis BUT the former not without flaws dude.

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IIANM, Honda is more reliable in a survey recently done in US.

But that’s US, here……zzzz. Honda CKD needs to buckup their QC.

Well, well, this recall oni proves my point: “Pobody’s nerfect.”

Bt as expected, praises shower them, followed by bashings for Proton, even if this thread is NOT supposed to hv anything to do wit Proton. Yawn……..

April 11, 2008 @ 9:40 pm

Go Honda!!…the most reliable car on earth…

I wish this is true not a MYTH. BTW l do prefer Civic over new Altis BUT the former not without flaws dude.

Toyotians (T fanatics) maybe have BIAS over their revered brand BUT they’re not blindly love the brand BUT rather they (Toyota) really perform to most of the average users (who can afford a Toyota’s wide range offerings). You can’t dispute their choices THOUGH from normal unbiased potential buyers this pretty weird.

Put one instance, underpowered Hilux (post SR) look uglier, disproportionate design BUT of course reliable (proven carryover parts from previous life) and not many people willing to trade this aspect (reliability and Quality) with other elements.

Me too, can’t believe when people opt for Indonesian-made Avanza BUT the car good for the market it served. period. This is how Toyota, famous in Quality and major contributor to modern management philosophy earned their reputation now after decade investment and trying to woo people with their trusted brand though not without “shortcomings”.

Between Toyota and Proton, so far the latter must learn how the T brand walk their talk. Recall is normal BUT Toyota “late” recalled is more marketing-just to show after years they’re still responsible for their products.

BTW, I still wish Toyota will show some respect to us, ASEAN. Give us better product than these (Aseans meant cars). Our Altis buyers standard’s better than those taxi drivers in Thailand, Vietnam or Indonesia though they use same car. We revered Altis/Corolla as “luxury” due to our weird AUTO POLICY (that made investors shy away from our shore).

Silly in this pseudo market like us.

One more thing.. dont buy potong when celebration period. cause the car is really terrible. did u know that they didn’t do welding 100% ?? the production line move too fast than usual, and 80% done is consider go go go… to the market. die many people at the end.
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how do you know exactly when the car is produced? they got so much stocks, maybe the car that you got during this CNY was produced during last year’s CNY! )

Designers aren’t God that churn out perfect creations. Therefore it’s perfectly normal to make mistakes. The difference is in how you react to problems. are you going to admit and tell everyone about it or just pretend there’s nothing happen? will you immediately take all necessary countermeasures to rectify it, or just close the book and continue with life?

talk about protong… its always door or power windows problem one laaa. door ‘knob’ can whole thing come out one. haiz. door not fall down, is consider QC pass already. One more thing.. dont buy potong when celebration period. cause the car is really terrible. did u know that they didn’t do welding 100% ?? the production line move too fast than usual, and 80% done is consider go go go… to the market. die many people at the end.

Best car – no problem, nothing to fix at all – cannot find this kind of cars at all
OK car – got problem, get fixed right – Toyota, Honda, Merc and etc
Lousy car (Lemon) – got problem, never get fixed right – Proton

I’m not bashing, but just stating facts.

My brother sent his SAVVY for the wheel bearing recall at Glenmarie, and guess what, PROTON RAN OUT OF SPARE PARTS.

LIARS

so if u are not so fancy about Altis, Vios etc, then go get Honda, Mitsu or Nissan….

I’m not saying this because of the recall issue….

Proton on the other hand, as far as I know only had two well published recalls. One for Gen2 (tyre jack), other for the Savvy’s rear bearing. Are you going to go as far to say that Protons are more reliable because they dont have recalls?

The concept of reliability goes far deeper than just things going wrong. Reliability is a customer perception. Whack a car silly on the track and any notion of reliability goes out the door. Similarly, ignore its maintenance and the same applies. Even on a toyota.

Its just when its a Proton, even well kept cars fail without warning and with the only explaination of many due to badly made or cheaply made components that do not last. Its not really the car’s fault. Management has made wrong choices with parts vendors.

Its customer perception that on average Toyota will outlast a Proton. Why? Becuase they have a proven track record of doing so. See how many old toyota’s on the road? Then compare to my wife’s very well kept, low mileage, 5 year old Wira that just recently suffered a head gasket failure for no apparent reason, then you have oil leaks galore, rusted coolent pipes…then with interior panels falling off within 3 months (its is now superglued in place when told by Proton service this is “biasa-lah, ni proton”), and the auto gearbox failure at its first birthbady – lucky to get replaced under warranty – with the inconvinience of 1 month in the shop.

Which would you say I would think would be the more reliable car? a Toyota or Proton?

Proton seems to have gotten worst over time. My 1997 satria 1.6 is FAR more reliable despite the fact it gets trashed on the track. It was simply just better built with better components. 2000-2004 probably saw the most lemons from Proton in its history.

Hopefully the new management is doing something about it. It will take time to reverse the perception of bad quality and it will haunt them for years to come.

I was considering the new CPS Gen2 (I quite like the car) to replace the lemon Wira we have, but the wife says we (she) will never buy another Proton. We are now looking at the Latio/Grand Livina. We had several Protons in our family, no one bought another Proton after that.

Remember there is a difference.

Toyota saying that yeah, we know you have a problem, we will fix it for you, and
Proton, yeah we know you have a proton, …but you bought one, biasa-lah.

p/s its US market…market that always get high end quality product…i dunno how T in reality perform at our local scene since we always get crap T product line up.

Proton should learn from Toyota and do the same…recall the cars and get the windows fixed. Yet, of course, if Proton did the same, it would mean recalling all Proton cars…Proton will jus go bankrupt.