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	<title>Comments on: Honda announces new China-only sub-brand: Li Nian</title>
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		<title>By: BanyakMasukWorkshop</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/04/23/honda-announces-new-china-only-sub-brand-li-nian/#comment-162089</link>
		<dc:creator>BanyakMasukWorkshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you wont have to worry unless of course you move to china, since its only for the china market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you wont have to worry unless of course you move to china, since its only for the china market.</p>
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		<title>By: Max88</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li Nian?
Never drive anything that sounds like an expired pickled fruit. May cause you a cirit-birit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li Nian?<br />
Never drive anything that sounds like an expired pickled fruit. May cause you a cirit-birit.</p>
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		<title>By: BanyakMasukWorkshop</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/04/23/honda-announces-new-china-only-sub-brand-li-nian/#comment-161927</link>
		<dc:creator>BanyakMasukWorkshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 07:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont really agree with some of your points k_templar.

This is a case of honda working with a partner. its not honda themselves going in with a different brand.  Honda still continues to sell their cars, but most likely at a different market segment.  Its not unlike perodua and toyota/daihatsu in malaysia.  Perodua handles the low end of the market for them, toyota takes the middle part of the market, and lexus handles the high end of the market. its  well known in the marketing world today, that one brand alone cant do the job if you want more of the pie. Just because Scion didnt do as well as it could, lexus is a raging success for toyota.

There are differences again with bmw and mini.  Bmw didnt create a new brand, they created new products and used the iconic mini brand to sell them.a brand recognised the world over. Building brands can be a long, tough and extremely expensive thing to do, and still no gurantee of success.  Buying a brand like mini for bmw, is considered a bargain.  
the funny thing is, its only your opinion that the mini looks odd, and bmw has run out of ideas etc.,  but their sales today is higher than ever. so who are you to say they are doing something wrong and their future looks bleak?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont really agree with some of your points k_templar.</p>
<p>This is a case of honda working with a partner. its not honda themselves going in with a different brand.  Honda still continues to sell their cars, but most likely at a different market segment.  Its not unlike perodua and toyota/daihatsu in malaysia.  Perodua handles the low end of the market for them, toyota takes the middle part of the market, and lexus handles the high end of the market. its  well known in the marketing world today, that one brand alone cant do the job if you want more of the pie. Just because Scion didnt do as well as it could, lexus is a raging success for toyota.</p>
<p>There are differences again with bmw and mini.  Bmw didnt create a new brand, they created new products and used the iconic mini brand to sell them.a brand recognised the world over. Building brands can be a long, tough and extremely expensive thing to do, and still no gurantee of success.  Buying a brand like mini for bmw, is considered a bargain.<br />
the funny thing is, its only your opinion that the mini looks odd, and bmw has run out of ideas etc.,  but their sales today is higher than ever. so who are you to say they are doing something wrong and their future looks bleak?</p>
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		<title>By: abtm</title>
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		<dc:creator>abtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 01:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>between a car made in china and malaysia, i&#039;d say i&#039;ll take the malaysia one. Not because i&#039;m feeling patriotic but for me the progress is like this: China&gt;India&gt;Malaysia&gt;Korea&gt;Japan,i might be wrong but this means honda has both ends covered</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>between a car made in china and malaysia, i&#8217;d say i&#8217;ll take the malaysia one. Not because i&#8217;m feeling patriotic but for me the progress is like this: China&gt;India&gt;Malaysia&gt;Korea&gt;Japan,i might be wrong but this means honda has both ends covered</p>
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		<title>By: topgunthang</title>
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		<dc:creator>topgunthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think its a way of honda&#039;s to get away with being sued by ford. say its designed mainly by the chinese company. 

i dont like china anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think its a way of honda&#8217;s to get away with being sued by ford. say its designed mainly by the chinese company. </p>
<p>i dont like china anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: drgn86</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/04/23/honda-announces-new-china-only-sub-brand-li-nian/#comment-161862</link>
		<dc:creator>drgn86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>drM, you wanna question China&#039;s market? you think proton can sustain in the open market without any &#039;protection&#039;? or are you just jealous and voicing out your grievances here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>drM, you wanna question China&#8217;s market? you think proton can sustain in the open market without any &#8216;protection&#8217;? or are you just jealous and voicing out your grievances here?</p>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks a lot like the Kuga concept. Maybe car makers are running out of ideas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks a lot like the Kuga concept. Maybe car makers are running out of ideas</p>
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		<title>By: owaief</title>
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		<dc:creator>owaief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol... really looked like a ford verve. even the humps that run from the A pillars to the bonnet is similar... come on honda, u can do better than that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol&#8230; really looked like a ford verve. even the humps that run from the A pillars to the bonnet is similar&#8230; come on honda, u can do better than that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: noactiontalkonly</title>
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		<dc:creator>noactiontalkonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.. this could be the only China car that I&#039;d consider buying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.. this could be the only China car that I&#8217;d consider buying.</p>
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		<title>By: raybrig85</title>
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		<dc:creator>raybrig85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it looks like verve...bt verve still better look...

this car is futuristic bt they hd to enhance it a little bit...so..mabe it will looks better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it looks like verve&#8230;bt verve still better look&#8230;</p>
<p>this car is futuristic bt they hd to enhance it a little bit&#8230;so..mabe it will looks better</p>
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		<title>By: knight_templar</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/04/23/honda-announces-new-china-only-sub-brand-li-nian/#comment-161809</link>
		<dc:creator>knight_templar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this is sustainable. Wat is the underlying fundamentals behind creating a new brand? Diversifying one&#039;s portfolio can also mean acquiring other troubled brands as Ford once did and FAILED. In the case of Toyota, the Scion brand is not as hot as it once was which was an exercise of diversifying by creating a new brand. Thing is how long can it last? Truth be told, although BMW has been succesful with Mini, I dun see a good future for Mini. Think abt it, the new New Mini looks the same as the old New Mini. The clubman is stupid with one extra door and ambulance like booth. Basically even BMW has run out of ideas for Mini. So i think this decision by Honda will not last long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this is sustainable. Wat is the underlying fundamentals behind creating a new brand? Diversifying one&#8217;s portfolio can also mean acquiring other troubled brands as Ford once did and FAILED. In the case of Toyota, the Scion brand is not as hot as it once was which was an exercise of diversifying by creating a new brand. Thing is how long can it last? Truth be told, although BMW has been succesful with Mini, I dun see a good future for Mini. Think abt it, the new New Mini looks the same as the old New Mini. The clubman is stupid with one extra door and ambulance like booth. Basically even BMW has run out of ideas for Mini. So i think this decision by Honda will not last long.</p>
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		<title>By: mitlanevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitlanevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks like a Ford, copycat....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks like a Ford, copycat&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: drM</title>
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		<dc:creator>drM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 04:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay.

this is enough edi.

see, major car manufacturers gone to china and then do something like &#039;chinese special edition&#039;

most american companies - caddy, GM, and some others - already launched their models specifically designed for China people.

whats happening actually?&gt; market there BIG enough ka?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay.</p>
<p>this is enough edi.</p>
<p>see, major car manufacturers gone to china and then do something like &#8216;chinese special edition&#8217;</p>
<p>most american companies &#8211; caddy, GM, and some others &#8211; already launched their models specifically designed for China people.</p>
<p>whats happening actually?&gt; market there BIG enough ka?</p>
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		<title>By: kjryth</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/04/23/honda-announces-new-china-only-sub-brand-li-nian/#comment-161787</link>
		<dc:creator>kjryth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Li Nian = Lenient?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Li Nian = Lenient?</p>
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		<title>By: Alifz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alifz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erm...

Same thing like Proton, EuropeStar,...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230;</p>
<p>Same thing like Proton, EuropeStar,&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: MyviKiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>MyviKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roti Naan said,
April 23, 2008 @ 10:26 am 

i guess that if you canâ€™t beat them (China), then just join them.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Yup, you are absolutely right, this is the best way to penetrate into the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roti Naan said,<br />
April 23, 2008 @ 10:26 am </p>
<p>i guess that if you canâ€™t beat them (China), then just join them.<br />
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Yup, you are absolutely right, this is the best way to penetrate into the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Roti Naan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roti Naan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess that if you can&#039;t beat them (China), then just join them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess that if you can&#8217;t beat them (China), then just join them.</p>
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		<title>By: LHQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>LHQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota , Lexus , Scion;
Honda , Acura , Li Nian (?)
maybe i&#039;m thinking too much.
btw the car resembles a bit of Ford Verve or Fiesta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota , Lexus , Scion;<br />
Honda , Acura , Li Nian (?)<br />
maybe i&#8217;m thinking too much.<br />
btw the car resembles a bit of Ford Verve or Fiesta.</p>
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		<title>By: neurra</title>
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		<dc:creator>neurra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honda chapalang..
but i have to say thou.. if this is Li Nian&#039;s &quot;Jazz&quot;, it certainly looks better than what it intended to replace.. @.@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honda chapalang..<br />
but i have to say thou.. if this is Li Nian&#8217;s &#8220;Jazz&#8221;, it certainly looks better than what it intended to replace.. @.@</p>
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		<title>By: azrai</title>
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		<dc:creator>azrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Can&#039;t believe it is Chinese. Honda Cap Ayam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Can&#8217;t believe it is Chinese. Honda Cap Ayam.</p>
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		<title>By: mct</title>
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		<dc:creator>mct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hm 
feel like US company design
no honda feel at all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hm<br />
feel like US company design<br />
no honda feel at all</p>
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		<title>By: csv</title>
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		<dc:creator>csv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hands down Ford Kuga looks nicer though. absolutely love the way it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hands down Ford Kuga looks nicer though. absolutely love the way it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: csv</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, acura, honda and now li nian.

really diversifying huh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, acura, honda and now li nian.</p>
<p>really diversifying huh.</p>
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