May 27, 2008 @ 2:50 pm

Hear are some critic for proton, how many car’s do you want to copy? Car’s from 1990 something until now today, it does not come out with your own design need not to say about the engine just the design is already copy and paste. Sorry to say that, for example Proton Saga is just a copy of Mercedes, Savvy a failure car to Myvi in the market. Weather coming up mpv surprising or not at least come out with a design from your company rather just copy. Another things is that proton cars is cheap but quality wise, need not mention, if Proton come out with a mpv by copying need not to production it. For my information New coming replacement Perdana also copy design. Proton need not meet up the stage to Global compare with Toyota, Honda or Mercedes.

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Stop bashing around, comment is all about being neutral..
From ur comment, i know u hate Proton..I hate too, but i give suggestion, not teasing or bashing..nothing personal
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Probably u’re talking about Saga rear lamp looks like mer-c?
Why not check-in the brand new c200-kompressor? the rear and front lamp looks like 01/02 City, 03/03 Camry rear lamp looks like previous BM-3series. Check-in wat’s the meaning of bashing, what would u say, if u’re bashing the Toyota/Mer-c?or will you?

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in industry, there is a term: Economy of Scale.
that means:
the more production, the lesser cost.
vice versa,
the lesser production, the more cost.

on production wise, about rm90k wish etc.,
the production capacity is high, so should the price is low tentatively.

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You are the right that the price before tax for Wish / Stream could be around RM90K but there are things like worldwide projected sales & production capacity that will be accounted for the unit cost calculation. I think it will a lot more years to come until Proton will be able to achieve a unit cost of a Toyota or a Honda or even a Hyundai/Kia.

Perodua is part of Toyota group. So it has the resources from Toyota subsidiaries / vendors which make it possible to get the led light for myvi at a reduce cost. But still, IMO perodua models are greatly overpriced for the size. Take a look at the Nautica for example. Maybe this could be the reason why.

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bad news for livina….

but we still have to see the equipment level and safety and technology of the car.

if it’s still gonna sound like milo tin when closing the car door, or comes with faulty brake etc etc, then no use. all filler, no killer.

they could have a sellout potential here, IF they can do things right.

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May 27, 2008 @ 2:50 pm

Hear are some critic for proton, how many car’s do you want to copy? Car’s from 1990 something until now today, it does not come out with your own design need not to say about the engine just the design is already copy and paste. Sorry to say that, for example Proton Saga is just a copy of Mercedes, Savvy a failure car to Myvi in the market. Weather coming up mpv surprising or not at least come out with a design from your company rather just copy. Another things is that proton cars is cheap but quality wise, need not mention, if Proton come out with a mpv by copying need not to production it. For my information New coming replacement Perdana also copy design. Proton need not meet up the stage to Global compare with Toyota, Honda or Mercedes.

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Stop bashing around, comment is all about being neutral..
From ur comment, i know u hate Proton..I hate too, but i give suggestion, not teasing or bashing..nothing personal

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Check-in, if they use their own design. How would it look like?This is just a test drive, i would say..P1 was trying whether their campro can move a medium size mpv..
Design part, we will still need to wait..
But frankly speaking, up to the date, the only design inspire me was Neo.Then nothing..It was wira..which also did inspired me.
So what next? Proton?

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they have the masses again, partly price, and also partly the fact that the cars have actually improved in terms of build quality.

for the future, they need to keep churning out cars that suit the market, as well as further improve and maintain quality.

price is still important. if you continue to have customers who will or can only pay a certain amount for cars(and proton has these customers), they should address that, and continue to sell to them.

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i love the old saga with lighted front emblem very much

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Sporty exterior, of course. Large wheels, maybe. Tak payah kuat pickup, top speed on the highway oni..

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after persona, many bashers eat back their bad bash word..
we will see more later…

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exterior macam cantik.
interior mesti buat ergonomik.
enjin light turbo…hm…can i install that into camxpro gen2?

agak2nye, ble x proton buat design yg ada nilai estetik, eg:
1. lampu brek ketiga buat dlm lambang proton, time brake lampu tu menyala, nmpk ganas cket rimau tu.
2. keterangan lampu brek menyala mengikut berapa kuat kita tekan brek. tekan perlahan, lampu menyala cket terang; tekan sederhana, terang; tekan emergency, plg terang + kelip2.

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Canteek!!!…idea ni boleh dibawak ke tengah… kalau boleh, signal light pun letak logo proton… biar ia kedip2 logo proton warna kuning masa membelok…. biar org tahu, kenal itulah MPV proton terbaru….

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I know after the success of the Saga and Persona Proton believes that playing safe design wise is good business but come on, bring back some flair!!
Us MPV drivers need a little flair to compensate for the fact that we drive a portable playroom (includes ice cream and crayon stained seat…)

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Mr. Document,

From what I’ve heard, proton already brushoff the ideas for rear led light to keep the cost down. Pls remember! they are trying to design an mpv that cost less than RM85K but pit against Toyota Wish/ Honda Stream which cost more than RM150K. IMHO, its better to put the extra cost on better durable parts / built quality / safety equipment.

I also like very much the optitron meter. but if they can come up something like similar to optitron but cheaper as Viva meter panel then its good enough.

The interior space / legroom should be much better that Livina but on par with Toyota Wish.

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From what I’ve heard, proton already brushoff the ideas for rear led light to keep the cost down. Pls remember! they are trying to design an mpv that cost RM150K. IMHO, its better to put the extra cost on better durable parts / built quality / safety equipment.

I also like very much the optitron meter. but if they can come up something like similar to optitron but cheaper as Viva meter panel then its good enough.

The interior space / legroom should be much better that Livina but on par with Toyota Wish.

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Hope Proton wows the crowd!

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Tiring work isn’t it?

Hopefully they come up with the best looking (caldina), full featured (safety and power), well priced machine, upgradable and can install bodykits for more garang effect. R3 people can start designing bodykits like Mugen and TRD does for their mid-size MPVs.

Mr CEO, I’m ready to trade in my Ria guzzler.

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May 27, 2008 @ 4:51 pm
oh shut up whiteeye. Like Honda and toyota are soooo original. The design is not even final. So blurr some more. All we are holding on are quite frankly still guesses.
But I guess, you don’t care do you? Hentam first. Think later.
Doesn’t matter if toyota comes out with crap avanza. They shit something out, and some of us just worship it. Japanese maaa.
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well said bisco….

i guess whiteeye wants a 5or7 wheeled mpv or a doubledecker mpv…

that should fit right into his ‘originality’ taste…

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Do not myopic for the rest of the days when you actually running the car @ natural behavior of your ride.

BTW seemingly Proton will offer 1.6 (as most people believe smaller cc better FC as opposed to the reality OTHERS FACTORS must take into account too) and sliding door perhaps (remember Mazda5) to make it some mpv lost their appeal (some people believe MPV=sliding doors).

BTW l’m supporter of Wish-Stream fraternity + if possible fuel saving CRDi.

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And as per most 5+2, there will be little to no rear luggage space with the +2 up. Which is fine for most situations. The prime benefit is the versatility and the handling characteristics of a car.

It doen’t seem logical to buy a full sized MPV for the 5 days of the year (balik kampung days shall we say) that you need 7 seats and luggage space. Then on the other 360 days, 5 seats is more than enough, and you’d waste fuel to pulling such a heavy, big vehicle on those normal 360 days.

Driving 2 cars actually cost less…

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