June 3, 2008 @ 2:22 pm

“The keyword of need rather than use indicates that a person with high income, despite choosing to use a very fuel efficient car will still not qualify for subsidies. ”
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Great..

can’t wait to see what type of MASTER plan u’lll come out with… if no good, i already know what to do in PRU13.. just wait
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we had did it on 12,we gave them awareness..but don’t forget, the oppos were supposed to participate in this decision making.They’re not noob..But blind by other benefits..

Basically everything was not benefiting the rakyat..n who knows?probably it was bcoz thoz who’re suffering by P1 were thoz who made the most contribution to Malaysia Macro economy. Wat was good of a g who only cares about their macro eco, but not the rakyat(micro eco)?

say u bought $80k plus car 2 years back with 5 years installment, suddently the G abolished the taxes & now the brand new car is selling $50k.. what happen to u? u want to sell that car to get cheap car? u’ll loss a lot my bro..

it’s great for ppl who already completed the installment & a 1st buyer, not anyone who recently bought a new car… but of coz, in long-term it is a good move..

Its interesting to see how the govt can waste the public’s money to implement 2 tier subsidies on petrol. They gonna say foreigners cant buy other subsidized goods like sugar, oil etc. when they come visit Malaysia? What a farce. Piss off the visitors so they dont spend foreign dollars in our country. Brilliant Move.

Only way to fix is to reduce demand, fix the public transport system. Whatever happened to the LRT from Puchong to KL? Doesnt that use electricity? Join up all the LRT stations together instead of forcing commuters to walk to one another. How many months of subsidies is that gonna cost huh?

Great..

can’t wait to see what type of MASTER plan u’lll come out with… if no good, i already know what to do in PRU13.. just wait

How smart. Now the rakyat gets to finance the government????

Income tax rebate wont work.

How many of the lower income group can pump UNSUBSIDIZED petrol only to wait a year before they can get thier money back???

Besides how would our IRD know just how much petrol you need? What if you are lower income and you need to drive long distance to work? Man you are really fraked up then……

Businessman, borang B, hire-purchase under company, tolls under company, almost everything. Maybe their personal borang BE, they only declare 2k, just enough to pay a condo repayment. But the car, probably a BM?Mer-c?

Just mm about it…nothing to offend rich man..

(MM:Mind Masturbation)

I notice, its very contradicting for the very same forumers in here (and other threads before this) wants the subsidy to be totally abolish whilst in the same time complaining the move the big “G” is doing (fuel rebate system). As usual the “mini-parliament” is on the move again. As we have discussed before (in at least 4 threads before this) that MyKad system is the most applicable system to implement fuel control. Now, because the “mini-parliament” complaints this and that, MyKad not good bla bla bla, now the big “G” came out with a far stupider idea; the half-baked fuel rebate system. Good good, the “mini-parliament” who started out all the commotion now we end up losing up as well. Its time for Tun Dr. Mahathir to return and fix things up. We don’t have much fuel price problem then because fuel-sudden-hike was not a big problem (except for the OPEC 1988 fuel crisis).

Just my 1 Ringgit and 55 cents (after fuel-rebate-system)

Yes, Revive Malaysia Incorporated !!

A well represented think-tank need to be set-up to discuss on this issue. Not a handful of kampung politicians alone. The Committee must be have professionals who are well verse on the effects of market strategies etc.
Run Malaysia as if it is a company. Revive Malaysia Incorporated !!

I’m sure I can find a retired or student family member to pump petrol for the rest of us.

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1) Pricing based on Engine Displacement- easier to implement since all Road Tax stickers displayed, can determine the CC of the engine. Issue: Enforcement and authority at the petrol pump. Pump attendant can always cheat/or bribed in verifying the CC of the engine.

2) Price hike for all, Claim back later- The subsidy will be provided in the form of tax rebates to be made during tax-filing. For the lower income group who are not eligible for income tax, petrol receipts are claimable from a specific new government agency to handle the petrol subsidy for the needy. The agency will not approve claim to taxpayers who already earned the rebate. Issue: cheating and tampering of the receipts, corruption.

3) MyKad Verification- MyKad is used to verify the income capacity of the buyer and linked to LHDN’s tax return database. Issue: Cost to install the MyKad reader at stations.

4) Incremental unsubsidized portion based on fuel amount- Example:
First 10 liters- RM1.95 per liter
Next 11-15 liters- RM2.05 per liter
Next 16-20 liters- RM2.10 per liter
Next 21-25 liters- RM2.15 per liter
Next 26-30 liters- RM2.20 per liter
The rest >31 liters- RM2.25 per liter
Issue: People who only travels nearby, will fuel up the least at each petrol station. Unfair to the needy who travels a lot.

5) RON 99 and RON 95 price differentiation
Issue: Rich can also opt for cheaper RON95 price.

Just my 2 sen.

Foresee something like the following will happed

1) 1st National Car (“P” Brand or so called Paralyzed Brand) : RM A.AA / liter
2) 2nd National Car + Rebadged Brand : RM B.BB / liter
3) CKD Car : RM C.CC / liter
4) CBU Car : RM D.DD / liter

Can someone see the plot behind the scenario?
Category 1 & 2 is well plan for parts of the nation ONLY!
Category 3 & 4 is to tell the other parts of the nation to support Category 1 especially.

Come on “Bloody Nation” Party there is always a better solution for considering of open the automotive market to let the entire nation to enjoy a better fuel efficient technology car equipped with a lots of safety features like others country. The nation don’t mind floating fuel prices market as long as the fuel efficient car at its reasonable price tag as compared to now. A lots more choice out there compared to now, just because still need to take care of the never growing “Paralyzed Brand”. The nation are suffering for the past 20 years until now, even the future?

I am sure Malaysia as a oil producing country has a lot more better position & situation to find a equilibrium point in floating fuel price compared to other countries.

What impressed me most is at the end of the day, the “Bloody Nation” party just buying time to work hard & cracking their head how to fuel up some “special tanks” rather than thinking of long term solution & care of the entire nation. Just look at others, why others can implement & survive, not Malaysia?
Where is the problem & where is the root cause?

Then all fuel will not be subsidised.

One can buy any big cc car if they want, but they would think twice before pumping petrol. That will curb petrol usage, and solve the problem of subsidiesed petrol being sold for profit.

if no tax of vehicle sales and importation, Proton might die

Does poor people really need a car? These `rich and poor’ is strongly a politically motivated mindset… As i said, there are MANY ways for the g to help the poor or the targeted group..

Already a high tax and duty for cars, toll roads and toll rates (+the jam that the toll plaza), road tax, and now a higher fuel prices.. Sigh….

we can’t confirm anything as of yet, except that pumping petrol is gonna suck and suck us dry, to add to our underpaid workers.

and the increase in diesel does not justify itself unless there is an improvement of diesel quality. freaking move to Euro 3/4 please. i’m sick of Euro 1 diesel content spewing all over our roads.