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	<title>Comments on: PDAM wants higher commission for fuel purchases via credit card payment</title>
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		<title>By: avanza</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168255</link>
		<dc:creator>avanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Where&#039;s my comment? Put in twice and nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Where&#8217;s my comment? Put in twice and nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: avanza</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168254</link>
		<dc:creator>avanza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck! No wonder I couldn&#039;t use my credit card since yesterday! They told me credit card off-line and blame the card companies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck! No wonder I couldn&#8217;t use my credit card since yesterday! They told me credit card off-line and blame the card companies!</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168250</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bolehland.....an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku...Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bolehland&#8230;..an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku&#8230;Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168249</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysia...an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku...
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysia&#8230;an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku&#8230;<br />
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168248</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysia.....an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku...
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysia&#8230;..an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku&#8230;<br />
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Apathy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168247</link>
		<dc:creator>Apathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malaysia.....an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku...
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malaysia&#8230;..an enigma. Ad hoc solutions for all problems arise. Should I be happy to be Malaysian? Living in this Tanah tumpahnya darah ku&#8230;<br />
Somehow the grass is always greener on the other side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NARUdaARC</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168236</link>
		<dc:creator>NARUdaARC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 07:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, a bit off topic but just a social commentary..
Malaysians.. can&#039;t even stay united over small matters like this..
but whenever its FOOTBALL or other sissy stuff, they are willing to defend their beliefs with their lives!
Can&#039;t you believe that?
What does it takes to make us united?
Another tsunami? Maybe an earthquake? Or massive flood? 
yeah that would be nice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, a bit off topic but just a social commentary..<br />
Malaysians.. can&#8217;t even stay united over small matters like this..<br />
but whenever its FOOTBALL or other sissy stuff, they are willing to defend their beliefs with their lives!<br />
Can&#8217;t you believe that?<br />
What does it takes to make us united?<br />
Another tsunami? Maybe an earthquake? Or massive flood?<br />
yeah that would be nice</p>
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		<title>By: ganz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168231</link>
		<dc:creator>ganz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who promote? Credit Card or Pump Owner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who promote? Credit Card or Pump Owner?</p>
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		<title>By: kazai</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168208</link>
		<dc:creator>kazai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but why they heavily promoting the &#039;pay at pump&#039; for credit card? do they trying to attract more credit card users? but why want to discourage people from using credit card now. huh... pening</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but why they heavily promoting the &#8216;pay at pump&#8217; for credit card? do they trying to attract more credit card users? but why want to discourage people from using credit card now. huh&#8230; pening</p>
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		<title>By: ganz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168203</link>
		<dc:creator>ganz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pay per use..
we pay 5% tax when we go dining at KFC or even dikayu nasik kandar
and even another 10% for service tax.. when we go to Pizza Hut
we pay extra parking (5%) ticket when we use TnG and certain area
we pay extra (2-3%) also if we buy Hand Phone using Credit Card
We pay RM 1.00 per transaction if u use MEPS
we pay RM2.00 on transaction service if u renew roadtax at Post Office
WE also pay extra when we want to board early using Airasia.. 
and to mantioned.. Airport tax and fuel surcharge is not include when they promote the low fare..

nobody (seller) want to bear the cost ....

but 6%.. WAY TOO MUCH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pay per use..<br />
we pay 5% tax when we go dining at KFC or even dikayu nasik kandar<br />
and even another 10% for service tax.. when we go to Pizza Hut<br />
we pay extra parking (5%) ticket when we use TnG and certain area<br />
we pay extra (2-3%) also if we buy Hand Phone using Credit Card<br />
We pay RM 1.00 per transaction if u use MEPS<br />
we pay RM2.00 on transaction service if u renew roadtax at Post Office<br />
WE also pay extra when we want to board early using Airasia..<br />
and to mantioned.. Airport tax and fuel surcharge is not include when they promote the low fare..</p>
<p>nobody (seller) want to bear the cost &#8230;.</p>
<p>but 6%.. WAY TOO MUCH</p>
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		<title>By: Roti Naan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168202</link>
		<dc:creator>Roti Naan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 02:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if more ppl use cash transaction, then the bangla petrol attendants will also be Security Guards, in case robbery occurs....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if more ppl use cash transaction, then the bangla petrol attendants will also be Security Guards, in case robbery occurs&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: azrai</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168162</link>
		<dc:creator>azrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greedy people. better go for cash. The bank is the culprit actually. high fees for them. maybe for the 17% increment of their staffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greedy people. better go for cash. The bank is the culprit actually. high fees for them. maybe for the 17% increment of their staffs.</p>
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		<title>By: viceice</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168154</link>
		<dc:creator>viceice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think alot of people are barking up the wrong tree. Lets face it, if anybody is to be blamed, it&#039;s the credit card companies themselves.

All this stems from the fact that credit card companies compel merchants to HIDE, yes, to conceal, the fact that each time you swipe your card, you are paying a 1-3% tax. Do you really think merchants absorbe the creditcard fee? No way. Having worked in retail, I can safely assure you that that when setting the retail price for a good, most people do it like this:

Cost of good + overheads + margin + 3% for credit card = retail price

So what if the customer pays cash? 3% bonus profit lah. In a way, credit cards are actually devaluing our cash, and are a cause of inflation.

So instead of yet another round of  messing with margins, I for one think that what needs to be done is to undo the MYTH the credit card companies have been maintaining all this while and require ALL merchants (petrol kiosks included) to display seperate prices for cash and card, or cash only. Taking the credit card tax out of the retail price would seriosuly solve alot of problems.

Also as a side note, my understanding of this issue from a first hand account talking to the petrol station owner is that their commission IS NOT A PERCENTAGE, but a FIXED SUM derived from 4% of rm1.98 back in the day. (4% of rm 1.98 is 8 sen) Their beef with this now is that while they are still only getting 8sen/litre, the credit card companies arn&#039;t charging a fixed 2 sen/litre, but 1% of the new price of 2.70 (which is 3 sen) meaning the station owner is facing a 15% reduction in margins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think alot of people are barking up the wrong tree. Lets face it, if anybody is to be blamed, it&#8217;s the credit card companies themselves.</p>
<p>All this stems from the fact that credit card companies compel merchants to HIDE, yes, to conceal, the fact that each time you swipe your card, you are paying a 1-3% tax. Do you really think merchants absorbe the creditcard fee? No way. Having worked in retail, I can safely assure you that that when setting the retail price for a good, most people do it like this:</p>
<p>Cost of good + overheads + margin + 3% for credit card = retail price</p>
<p>So what if the customer pays cash? 3% bonus profit lah. In a way, credit cards are actually devaluing our cash, and are a cause of inflation.</p>
<p>So instead of yet another round of  messing with margins, I for one think that what needs to be done is to undo the MYTH the credit card companies have been maintaining all this while and require ALL merchants (petrol kiosks included) to display seperate prices for cash and card, or cash only. Taking the credit card tax out of the retail price would seriosuly solve alot of problems.</p>
<p>Also as a side note, my understanding of this issue from a first hand account talking to the petrol station owner is that their commission IS NOT A PERCENTAGE, but a FIXED SUM derived from 4% of rm1.98 back in the day. (4% of rm 1.98 is 8 sen) Their beef with this now is that while they are still only getting 8sen/litre, the credit card companies arn&#8217;t charging a fixed 2 sen/litre, but 1% of the new price of 2.70 (which is 3 sen) meaning the station owner is facing a 15% reduction in margins.</p>
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		<title>By: sudha</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168140</link>
		<dc:creator>sudha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;What I do not understand is why the proposed new 6% profit margin for credit card usage instead of just 4% (which is 3% and the additional 1% bank charges)? Where is the justification of the additional 2%? I am not 100% sure if my calculation is right, but an increase of commission charges to 6% would result in RON97 fuel being priced at RM2.781 if paid via credit card, while remaining at RM2.70 if paid via cash.&quot;

Just my two sens here. Someone pls correct me if I am wrong.

The credit card commission of 1% is paid by the petrol dealers to the banks based on the transaction amt. Face it, everytime we use a credit card, there is commission paid to the banks for providing the service. In some cases, the commission is passed on to the consumer. Remember when someone tells you that you need to pay 3% of the transaction amount when u swipe your card?

So...it&#039;s the same here. The petrol dealers pay the bank 1% everytime you swipe, for providing the service. That&#039;s how the bank makes money.

so how do the petrol dealers or any other merchant pays?...where do they get the money??... from their income of course. 

Now...to the question of profit margin...well, if the petrol dealers want their commission raised to 6%, let them have it. let the petrol companies and the government sort this because, whatever increase in commission will not be directed to consumers given the current fuel price is subsidised.

however, this will eat into the government&#039;s subsidy allocation as that cost will be transferred to either the petrol companies or the government itself. it will in turn hurt the government&#039;s coffers.

What I totally disagree with is the PDAM&#039;s decision to hold customers, that is US, at ransom everytime they demand something. Its downright disgusting.

&lt;strong&gt;Paul Tan says: Eat into subsidy? What are you talking about? What makes you think he is proposing that the government or oil companies take care of the extra 3% they want? You must have missed &lt;a href=&quot;http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/4/nation/21442000&amp;sec=nation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this report&lt;/a&gt; by The Star.

I quote from the article:

To resolve this problem, he (PDAM acting president Abdul Wahid Bidin) proposed that the Government introduces a two-tier pricing system, one for cash sales and other for credit card users.

â€œThe price for using a credit card will be higher and cash sales may be a few sen lower. This would discourage people from using credit cards,â€ he said.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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&#8220;What I do not understand is why the proposed new 6% profit margin for credit card usage instead of just 4% (which is 3% and the additional 1% bank charges)? Where is the justification of the additional 2%? I am not 100% sure if my calculation is right, but an increase of commission charges to 6% would result in RON97 fuel being priced at RM2.781 if paid via credit card, while remaining at RM2.70 if paid via cash.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just my two sens here. Someone pls correct me if I am wrong.</p>
<p>The credit card commission of 1% is paid by the petrol dealers to the banks based on the transaction amt. Face it, everytime we use a credit card, there is commission paid to the banks for providing the service. In some cases, the commission is passed on to the consumer. Remember when someone tells you that you need to pay 3% of the transaction amount when u swipe your card?</p>
<p>So&#8230;it&#8217;s the same here. The petrol dealers pay the bank 1% everytime you swipe, for providing the service. That&#8217;s how the bank makes money.</p>
<p>so how do the petrol dealers or any other merchant pays?&#8230;where do they get the money??&#8230; from their income of course. </p>
<p>Now&#8230;to the question of profit margin&#8230;well, if the petrol dealers want their commission raised to 6%, let them have it. let the petrol companies and the government sort this because, whatever increase in commission will not be directed to consumers given the current fuel price is subsidised.</p>
<p>however, this will eat into the government&#8217;s subsidy allocation as that cost will be transferred to either the petrol companies or the government itself. it will in turn hurt the government&#8217;s coffers.</p>
<p>What I totally disagree with is the PDAM&#8217;s decision to hold customers, that is US, at ransom everytime they demand something. Its downright disgusting.</p>
<p><strong>Paul Tan says: Eat into subsidy? What are you talking about? What makes you think he is proposing that the government or oil companies take care of the extra 3% they want? You must have missed <a href="http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/6/4/nation/21442000&#038;sec=nation" rel="nofollow">this report</a> by The Star.</p>
<p>I quote from the article:</p>
<p>To resolve this problem, he (PDAM acting president Abdul Wahid Bidin) proposed that the Government introduces a two-tier pricing system, one for cash sales and other for credit card users.</p>
<p>â€œThe price for using a credit card will be higher and cash sales may be a few sen lower. This would discourage people from using credit cards,â€ he said.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: BW</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168139</link>
		<dc:creator>BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, all i have to say we sarawakians can&#039;t pump fuel into our cars for 3 or 4 days because the petrol stations are all close because they are on strike... I wonder how am i suppose to go to school like that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, all i have to say we sarawakians can&#8217;t pump fuel into our cars for 3 or 4 days because the petrol stations are all close because they are on strike&#8230; I wonder how am i suppose to go to school like that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: transformer</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168138</link>
		<dc:creator>transformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone notice that there isn&#039;t any price reduction article/advert in newspaper these days... Rice, Petrol, Electricity, Food, Transportation, Paper, Stationery, Air-ticket Fuel Surcharge, Courier charges, Insurance Premium....What else ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone notice that there isn&#8217;t any price reduction article/advert in newspaper these days&#8230; Rice, Petrol, Electricity, Food, Transportation, Paper, Stationery, Air-ticket Fuel Surcharge, Courier charges, Insurance Premium&#8230;.What else ?</p>
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		<title>By: transformer</title>
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		<dc:creator>transformer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everything raise price.... mmmmmm...... but some didn&#039;t(my place...)

prata are smaller! can&#039;t find any bits of potatoes in its curry anymore..

nasi lemak&#039;s rice had been scooped using smaller bowl and less compact... egg still had yolk but the white part(protien) lost some its volume... guess nowadays egg yolks are larger then white.... even sambal are a bit lesser bcoz chilly are more expensive then ever! Glad that kacang still remain but guess where those ikan bilis had gone??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everything raise price&#8230;. mmmmmm&#8230;&#8230; but some didn&#8217;t(my place&#8230;)</p>
<p>prata are smaller! can&#8217;t find any bits of potatoes in its curry anymore..</p>
<p>nasi lemak&#8217;s rice had been scooped using smaller bowl and less compact&#8230; egg still had yolk but the white part(protien) lost some its volume&#8230; guess nowadays egg yolks are larger then white&#8230;. even sambal are a bit lesser bcoz chilly are more expensive then ever! Glad that kacang still remain but guess where those ikan bilis had gone??</p>
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		<title>By: neveraproton</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168136</link>
		<dc:creator>neveraproton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the logic presented, one thing rings true. If you use threat then what you are is a weak person. 

These PDAM members are just what Malaysia represents: a subsdised society. This subsidised environment is so fake that when such is removed, there is an uproar. Note that inflation in Malaysia is actually double digit sans subsidy. Ask an economist.

While petroleum is a commodity, we treat it as a subsidised item, and this is what happens.

I agree with the comment that if you can&#039;t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Those who don&#039;t mind the 1% surcharge for credit transactions (for security, speed and convenience) shall stand to benefit.

And yes, fire those foreigners who sit there and clean my windows. Take the 6 people out of the payroll of a 1 acre station and they&#039;ll save. STOP PUTTING YOUR CUSTOMERS AS YOUR PAWNS and STOP BEING CRYBABIES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the logic presented, one thing rings true. If you use threat then what you are is a weak person. </p>
<p>These PDAM members are just what Malaysia represents: a subsdised society. This subsidised environment is so fake that when such is removed, there is an uproar. Note that inflation in Malaysia is actually double digit sans subsidy. Ask an economist.</p>
<p>While petroleum is a commodity, we treat it as a subsidised item, and this is what happens.</p>
<p>I agree with the comment that if you can&#8217;t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Those who don&#8217;t mind the 1% surcharge for credit transactions (for security, speed and convenience) shall stand to benefit.</p>
<p>And yes, fire those foreigners who sit there and clean my windows. Take the 6 people out of the payroll of a 1 acre station and they&#8217;ll save. STOP PUTTING YOUR CUSTOMERS AS YOUR PAWNS and STOP BEING CRYBABIES.</p>
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		<title>By: wuzzy</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168135</link>
		<dc:creator>wuzzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The petrol stations&#039; commission is calculated based on litre; not by value.
As the price increase, the absolute profit remains the same but the profit margin reduces.
The petrol station operators also need more money to operate (40-50% more) because they need to purchase the petrol/diesel from oil companies. With such surprise announcement from the government, the operators would definitely need to take additional bank loan/facilities to support the business.
I&#039;m not too sure what&#039;s the actual change demanded but I do agree with Paul that it should only cover the additional costs and maintain the profit margins for the operators.
But the one paying for these should be the oil companies; not the govt. Oil companies have been announcing record profits for the last couple of years. The least they could do is to improve the margins for their petrol station operators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The petrol stations&#8217; commission is calculated based on litre; not by value.<br />
As the price increase, the absolute profit remains the same but the profit margin reduces.<br />
The petrol station operators also need more money to operate (40-50% more) because they need to purchase the petrol/diesel from oil companies. With such surprise announcement from the government, the operators would definitely need to take additional bank loan/facilities to support the business.<br />
I&#8217;m not too sure what&#8217;s the actual change demanded but I do agree with Paul that it should only cover the additional costs and maintain the profit margins for the operators.<br />
But the one paying for these should be the oil companies; not the govt. Oil companies have been announcing record profits for the last couple of years. The least they could do is to improve the margins for their petrol station operators.</p>
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		<title>By: mo_say</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168129</link>
		<dc:creator>mo_say</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya right. Electricity...water...petrol...what else! They increase the price (any item) due to operation cost increase so what left to us ...rakyat malaysia! We got work harder ...earn more and more and more...(if we can get more!) But the problem is they all dont want to share the burden...to maintain profit...just increase the price...stupid G.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya right. Electricity&#8230;water&#8230;petrol&#8230;what else! They increase the price (any item) due to operation cost increase so what left to us &#8230;rakyat malaysia! We got work harder &#8230;earn more and more and more&#8230;(if we can get more!) But the problem is they all dont want to share the burden&#8230;to maintain profit&#8230;just increase the price&#8230;stupid G.</p>
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		<title>By: mzfnd</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168128</link>
		<dc:creator>mzfnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the downside of people getting more power. Expect more demands and more strikes coming our way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the downside of people getting more power. Expect more demands and more strikes coming our way.</p>
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		<title>By: freakazoid</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168127</link>
		<dc:creator>freakazoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had a phone conversation with my source. He says PDAM wants a total increment of 2cents/ltr commission because of the rising fuel price to cope with the massive increase of capital needed and running cost (bear in mind electricity and water tariff is increasing as well).

Secondly, PDAM members do not want to bear the cost of credit card charges, based on the the line that why must the merchants pay for the convenience of the customer? Instead why don&#039;t the customers bear the cost of their conveniences? Of course, this is the dealer&#039;s point of view.

In fact I know a few merchants (like handphone shop or spectacle shop) who ask their customers to bear the interest charged to the merchant if the customers were to use credit card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had a phone conversation with my source. He says PDAM wants a total increment of 2cents/ltr commission because of the rising fuel price to cope with the massive increase of capital needed and running cost (bear in mind electricity and water tariff is increasing as well).</p>
<p>Secondly, PDAM members do not want to bear the cost of credit card charges, based on the the line that why must the merchants pay for the convenience of the customer? Instead why don&#8217;t the customers bear the cost of their conveniences? Of course, this is the dealer&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>In fact I know a few merchants (like handphone shop or spectacle shop) who ask their customers to bear the interest charged to the merchant if the customers were to use credit card.</p>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168124</link>
		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they also want an increase in their salary, only way to do it is by increasing the surcharge</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they also want an increase in their salary, only way to do it is by increasing the surcharge</p>
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		<title>By: peter1</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168122</link>
		<dc:creator>peter1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see no reason why PDAM should be demanding for a higher commission for the simple reason that sales will inevitably go up because petrol prices have shot up by 40pct. Of course, some will argue that sales will come down due to consumers cutting down on driving etc, but the overall result in value terms the sales volume will increase, therefore, commissions will rise. Whats the problem PDAM? No economist in your association?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see no reason why PDAM should be demanding for a higher commission for the simple reason that sales will inevitably go up because petrol prices have shot up by 40pct. Of course, some will argue that sales will come down due to consumers cutting down on driving etc, but the overall result in value terms the sales volume will increase, therefore, commissions will rise. Whats the problem PDAM? No economist in your association?</p>
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		<title>By: s60t</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168120</link>
		<dc:creator>s60t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stations that don&#039;t want to pay the commission can stop accepting cards.others who are willing to absorb the cost will get more business if they are brave enough to defy PDAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stations that don&#8217;t want to pay the commission can stop accepting cards.others who are willing to absorb the cost will get more business if they are brave enough to defy PDAM</p>
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		<title>By: Auto_crat</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168116</link>
		<dc:creator>Auto_crat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve see it coming, last week I guess, gas stations  in the US had stop allowing credit card purchases. Now we are following them, as I&#039;m posting this comment I heard rumours that petrol stations nationwide are going to stop selling fuel for several days. I don&#039;t know the truth of it but (right now) people are queing up at the stations in my district as well as several others. The panic is on again. Why asking 6% increase? Are they taking advantages of the situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve see it coming, last week I guess, gas stations  in the US had stop allowing credit card purchases. Now we are following them, as I&#8217;m posting this comment I heard rumours that petrol stations nationwide are going to stop selling fuel for several days. I don&#8217;t know the truth of it but (right now) people are queing up at the stations in my district as well as several others. The panic is on again. Why asking 6% increase? Are they taking advantages of the situation?</p>
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		<title>By: mofo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168112</link>
		<dc:creator>mofo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arissa86,
Bcoz they&#039;re dumb and greedy ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arissa86,<br />
Bcoz they&#8217;re dumb and greedy ?</p>
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		<title>By: freakazoid</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168111</link>
		<dc:creator>freakazoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my sources, PDAM is fighting for an increase in 2 cents of commission but the news are reporting otherwise. The denial of credit card acceptance and shutting down station for a couple of hours are signs of protest. But rumors are rumors, so we&#039;ll have to wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my sources, PDAM is fighting for an increase in 2 cents of commission but the news are reporting otherwise. The denial of credit card acceptance and shutting down station for a couple of hours are signs of protest. But rumors are rumors, so we&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: arissa86</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168107</link>
		<dc:creator>arissa86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totally agree with xiao_zhai.it&#039;s relevantly true and so clear to see.why are they arguing because of this stupid matter anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree with xiao_zhai.it&#8217;s relevantly true and so clear to see.why are they arguing because of this stupid matter anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: paparadzi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/24/pdam-wants-higher-commission-for-fuel-purchases-via-credit-card-payment/#comment-168106</link>
		<dc:creator>paparadzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they don&#039;t want credit card, fine. I hope they&#039;ll be robbed of their cash more often.

Using cashless transaction such as credit card is convenient and secure; the cash will attract robbers especially in this difficult economic situation. 

When they have more cash and being robbed more often, hope they&#039;ll remember to blame themselves for being greedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they don&#8217;t want credit card, fine. I hope they&#8217;ll be robbed of their cash more often.</p>
<p>Using cashless transaction such as credit card is convenient and secure; the cash will attract robbers especially in this difficult economic situation. </p>
<p>When they have more cash and being robbed more often, hope they&#8217;ll remember to blame themselves for being greedy.</p>
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