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	<title>Comments on: Mercedes-Benz E230 Short Test Drive Report</title>
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	<description>Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry</description>
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		<title>By: topgunthang</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168485</link>
		<dc:creator>topgunthang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>car quality issues you will only notice it after buying the car and using it for some time. 

e500 is US problably cost cheaper than a e2.8 or e3.5 litre in malaysia. therefore you have tons of money left over to burn petrol or diesel. but you also need to consider. the turbo unit is more fuel efficient. quite a few good examples of turbo units available now mainly the 3litre turbo in the bmws, in the peugeots 308s. some NA engines that can hope to match them in fuel efficiency (considering larger power and torque output) are the ones from porsche and more recently the 3.5litre units in the toyota aurion and to a lesser extent the 3.5litre in the accord. the 2.3litre e class is cheating coz they equipped it with the 7 speed gearbox. 

audi also seems to be improving on thier TSFI in the golf gti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>car quality issues you will only notice it after buying the car and using it for some time. </p>
<p>e500 is US problably cost cheaper than a e2.8 or e3.5 litre in malaysia. therefore you have tons of money left over to burn petrol or diesel. but you also need to consider. the turbo unit is more fuel efficient. quite a few good examples of turbo units available now mainly the 3litre turbo in the bmws, in the peugeots 308s. some NA engines that can hope to match them in fuel efficiency (considering larger power and torque output) are the ones from porsche and more recently the 3.5litre units in the toyota aurion and to a lesser extent the 3.5litre in the accord. the 2.3litre e class is cheating coz they equipped it with the 7 speed gearbox. </p>
<p>audi also seems to be improving on thier TSFI in the golf gti.</p>
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		<title>By: kenss</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mercedes are good car. after having different japanese and european cars, merc is the best.  newer merc are good to drive, especially on high speed highway travelling, in 160km/hr +. it is also good on hard cornering and can be driven hard without engine breaking. 
And the quality feel on the ride is superb and solid, go over large pot hole? no problem.  feel it can last at least 5yrs +</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercedes are good car. after having different japanese and european cars, merc is the best.  newer merc are good to drive, especially on high speed highway travelling, in 160km/hr +. it is also good on hard cornering and can be driven hard without engine breaking.<br />
And the quality feel on the ride is superb and solid, go over large pot hole? no problem.  feel it can last at least 5yrs +</p>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
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		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Lone-Star is a Texan, perhaps he could be forgiven thinking that....but if he is a Malaysian, he&#039;s seriously out of touch of our road taxation system... 

Yes, 1.8L for a mid sized luxury car is pathetic. E&#039;s in NorthAmerica start at 3.5L, But take it in context our our market and the rising fuel charges.

Wait till you see the 1.8L Diesotto in future benzes. What will you say then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Lone-Star is a Texan, perhaps he could be forgiven thinking that&#8230;.but if he is a Malaysian, he&#8217;s seriously out of touch of our road taxation system&#8230; </p>
<p>Yes, 1.8L for a mid sized luxury car is pathetic. E&#8217;s in NorthAmerica start at 3.5L, But take it in context our our market and the rising fuel charges.</p>
<p>Wait till you see the 1.8L Diesotto in future benzes. What will you say then?</p>
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		<title>By: raybrig85</title>
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		<dc:creator>raybrig85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lone-star..

wut abt road tax???do u think its worth of ur money...with dat kind of road tax charge(refer to e500 or e430)i wuld rather buy the sports car or sports luxury sedan like quattroporte or merc cls..tgk marketla bang...if they sell e500 or e430...x lakula sgt...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lone-star..</p>
<p>wut abt road tax???do u think its worth of ur money&#8230;with dat kind of road tax charge(refer to e500 or e430)i wuld rather buy the sports car or sports luxury sedan like quattroporte or merc cls..tgk marketla bang&#8230;if they sell e500 or e430&#8230;x lakula sgt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lone-star</title>
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		<dc:creator>lone-star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>am i the only one who thinks that all these e-classes in malaysia are pathetic? in my opinion, the only E&#039;s worth considering are E430 and E500.  which are what they use in the US and Canada.  come on...a 1.8L engine in a &quot;luxury&quot; car?  what a joke.  that&#039;s a honda civic!  and don&#039;t give me that nonsense about the cost of fuel.  if you are loaded down enough to own a &quot;luxury&quot; car, 2.70 a liter (or more) should be spare change to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>am i the only one who thinks that all these e-classes in malaysia are pathetic? in my opinion, the only E&#8217;s worth considering are E430 and E500.  which are what they use in the US and Canada.  come on&#8230;a 1.8L engine in a &#8220;luxury&#8221; car?  what a joke.  that&#8217;s a honda civic!  and don&#8217;t give me that nonsense about the cost of fuel.  if you are loaded down enough to own a &#8220;luxury&#8221; car, 2.70 a liter (or more) should be spare change to you.</p>
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		<title>By: morpheuzneo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168398</link>
		<dc:creator>morpheuzneo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>commentingn on Kington - about the workmanship.. 

what do u expect.., the contractor tasked to assemble the ckd part are paid by peanut.. 

that&#039;s why they locate their factory in some god-forsaken place in pekan.., so they can pay peanut to the line-worker.. 

some more look at which company that assemble the ckd? AAM - another DRB-Hicom? what do their track record says about vehicle that come out from any of their assembly line.. ?

sutera? suria? sangyoong? merc?  

Daimler Malaysia should do the CKD themselves so they can better manage the quality.. 

Merc was better during the C&amp;C time..!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commentingn on Kington &#8211; about the workmanship.. </p>
<p>what do u expect.., the contractor tasked to assemble the ckd part are paid by peanut.. </p>
<p>that&#8217;s why they locate their factory in some god-forsaken place in pekan.., so they can pay peanut to the line-worker.. </p>
<p>some more look at which company that assemble the ckd? AAM &#8211; another DRB-Hicom? what do their track record says about vehicle that come out from any of their assembly line.. ?</p>
<p>sutera? suria? sangyoong? merc?  </p>
<p>Daimler Malaysia should do the CKD themselves so they can better manage the quality.. </p>
<p>Merc was better during the C&amp;C time..!</p>
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		<title>By: mitlanevo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168383</link>
		<dc:creator>mitlanevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice car, nice scene, nice photo :-)

btw, the correct word is panoramic or panaromic roof?

can someone tell? confused lah....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice car, nice scene, nice photo <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>btw, the correct word is panoramic or panaromic roof?</p>
<p>can someone tell? confused lah&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168378</link>
		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review, only the rich can afford this car. The poor will have to settle for something less than 200k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review, only the rich can afford this car. The poor will have to settle for something less than 200k</p>
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		<title>By: sdan2</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168375</link>
		<dc:creator>sdan2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 11:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good review. Its really intriguing how Merc positions its engines. The power and torque figures for the 1.8 and 2.5 is quite similar and thus the choice to the local consumer may be based on features and additional gimmicks.

I have always wondered whether Merc will stop making the 1.8 T and move to their new generation of V6 and V8. The fuel price increases nevertheless puts an interesting dilemma to this question. The argument of merc owners being able to afford fuel is only relevant in Asian countries as in Europe/US these cars are generally more affordable and customers there are very conscious of cost of ownership. 

What are the published economy figures for the 1.8 and 2.5 for comparison sake?

One thing i must say about Merc is the ride. Its an amazing feeling, similar to gliding. Does not make much of a case for sporty driving but the general ride is exceptional. I drove an e280 advan for a week and i was amazed at the fact this was achieved on 45/18 inchers. Didnt notice any issues with build quality though so maybe its a one off, and when things go wrong they really go wrong...anyways waiting to see ( definitely not to buy ;) the new E next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good review. Its really intriguing how Merc positions its engines. The power and torque figures for the 1.8 and 2.5 is quite similar and thus the choice to the local consumer may be based on features and additional gimmicks.</p>
<p>I have always wondered whether Merc will stop making the 1.8 T and move to their new generation of V6 and V8. The fuel price increases nevertheless puts an interesting dilemma to this question. The argument of merc owners being able to afford fuel is only relevant in Asian countries as in Europe/US these cars are generally more affordable and customers there are very conscious of cost of ownership. </p>
<p>What are the published economy figures for the 1.8 and 2.5 for comparison sake?</p>
<p>One thing i must say about Merc is the ride. Its an amazing feeling, similar to gliding. Does not make much of a case for sporty driving but the general ride is exceptional. I drove an e280 advan for a week and i was amazed at the fact this was achieved on 45/18 inchers. Didnt notice any issues with build quality though so maybe its a one off, and when things go wrong they really go wrong&#8230;anyways waiting to see ( definitely not to buy <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  the new E next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Xcars</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168365</link>
		<dc:creator>Xcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, the pics are nice... captured at scenic locations... also, your photo software is easy to navigate...

However as for the car... I&#039;d say it is the &quot;norm&quot; for us to see &quot;gimmick&quot; when it&#039;s near end of lifespan... sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, the pics are nice&#8230; captured at scenic locations&#8230; also, your photo software is easy to navigate&#8230;</p>
<p>However as for the car&#8230; I&#8217;d say it is the &#8220;norm&#8221; for us to see &#8220;gimmick&#8221; when it&#8217;s near end of lifespan&#8230; sigh</p>
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		<title>By: JULIANLEE2</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168354</link>
		<dc:creator>JULIANLEE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS CAR IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON&#039;T KNOW THAT THERE&#039;S A NEW ONE COMING OUT THIS AUTUMN OR NEVER HEARD OF A CAR CALLED THE BMW 5er</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS CAR IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON&#8217;T KNOW THAT THERE&#8217;S A NEW ONE COMING OUT THIS AUTUMN OR NEVER HEARD OF A CAR CALLED THE BMW 5er</p>
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		<title>By: ingolstadt</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168352</link>
		<dc:creator>ingolstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would avoid this E-Class Merc if I&#039;m going for a Merc. of all quality surveys, this is the one that got Merc hit the hardest. 

The new one&#039;s on the way, why buy this? Moreover the new C wasn&#039;t that far apart from this C in terms of size and spec. 

Oh, after I sat in one, I finally understand why Camrys and Accords are selling like hot cakes in Malaysia. 

They&#039;re larger, hence more comfortable, cuts out wind noise on par, except the part where the Japs will begin to wallow when speeds reach around 130km/h whereas the Merc stays calm even up to 170km/h. 

But, if it&#039;s for normal usage which 99% of the time it is, the Camry and Accord just trumphs this in everything they do, larger, more fuel economical, cheap, and RELIABLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would avoid this E-Class Merc if I&#8217;m going for a Merc. of all quality surveys, this is the one that got Merc hit the hardest. </p>
<p>The new one&#8217;s on the way, why buy this? Moreover the new C wasn&#8217;t that far apart from this C in terms of size and spec. </p>
<p>Oh, after I sat in one, I finally understand why Camrys and Accords are selling like hot cakes in Malaysia. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re larger, hence more comfortable, cuts out wind noise on par, except the part where the Japs will begin to wallow when speeds reach around 130km/h whereas the Merc stays calm even up to 170km/h. </p>
<p>But, if it&#8217;s for normal usage which 99% of the time it is, the Camry and Accord just trumphs this in everything they do, larger, more fuel economical, cheap, and RELIABLE.</p>
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		<title>By: Roti Naan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roti Naan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hard to believe Mrec got rattling sound in the dash.  What is the problem with the dash actually?  

I supposed parts are from overseas, I guess the workmanship here could be the culprit....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hard to believe Mrec got rattling sound in the dash.  What is the problem with the dash actually?  </p>
<p>I supposed parts are from overseas, I guess the workmanship here could be the culprit&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: raybrig85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168333</link>
		<dc:creator>raybrig85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes..ure correct...its nt worth to buy a bimmer or merc ckd...better gt the cbu one if u can afford it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes..ure correct&#8230;its nt worth to buy a bimmer or merc ckd&#8230;better gt the cbu one if u can afford it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kington</title>
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		<dc:creator>kington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine actually bought the current E200K, and for the past 2 years, every service he does for the car has been somewhat below average. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, the service team was polite and the entire experience was comfortable, but what irked my friend were the faulty electronic seat adjustment buttons for the front seats and the rattling noises from the dashboard. They fixed it for him but after awhile, the problem comes back again. He wrote to MB Malaysia once, and they assured him that his problem will be fixed. They have replaced the seat adjustment buttons for him but the dashboard still rattles everytime he travels over uneven surfaces.

I&#039;ve sat in a couple of new Mercs and somehow, despite MB&#039;s claim that the CKD ones are better since they are &quot;climatized&quot;, the CBU units feel better assembled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine actually bought the current E200K, and for the past 2 years, every service he does for the car has been somewhat below average. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, the service team was polite and the entire experience was comfortable, but what irked my friend were the faulty electronic seat adjustment buttons for the front seats and the rattling noises from the dashboard. They fixed it for him but after awhile, the problem comes back again. He wrote to MB Malaysia once, and they assured him that his problem will be fixed. They have replaced the seat adjustment buttons for him but the dashboard still rattles everytime he travels over uneven surfaces.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve sat in a couple of new Mercs and somehow, despite MB&#8217;s claim that the CKD ones are better since they are &#8220;climatized&#8221;, the CBU units feel better assembled.</p>
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		<title>By: azrai</title>
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		<dc:creator>azrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I look forward the AMG one.</description>
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		<title>By: mokkf82</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/06/26/mercedes-benz-e230-short-test-drive-report/#comment-168301</link>
		<dc:creator>mokkf82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No doubt this car really bring joy of driving pleasure. Let&#039;s hope it keep it that way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt this car really bring joy of driving pleasure. Let&#8217;s hope it keep it that way</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice review, so a brand new e200k costs 350k while a e230 costs about 395k? correct me if i am wrong</description>
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