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	<title>Comments on: Fiat to build two cylinder SGE engine in Poland</title>
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		<title>By: Marvin McConoughey</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-227018</link>
		<dc:creator>Marvin McConoughey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important and worthy engine development.  Technology advance increases the  power-per-cylinder year after year.  Economy is crucial. Fuel costs will rise greatly as supplies run low and the two cylinder engine offers less fuel consumption and less total engine friction than an equal displacement four cylinder engine..  Acceptable ngine refinement can be had by using two sets of counter-rotating counterbalance shafts; one at engine speed and one at twice engine speed.  Less complex balancing is available at slightly less refinement.  Either approach will be coupled with elastic engine mounts.  Computer controlled mounts are another option for higher-end vehicles.  As engine sizes shrink, combustion chamber space for direct fuel injection, four valves, and a spark plug or two becomes very precious.  Two cylinders give more space per cylinder for a given engine displacement and eases the engineering challenge.  Durability is more a matter of materials, precision, and design than of how many cylinders are used.  Fiat and Tata are going with parallel twins, but a V-twin is another very feasible approach, using counter-rotating counterweights at twice engine speed to quell the secondary imbalance forces.  Not to be ignored is the important engine compartment space savings allowed by having only two cylinders to find room for. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important and worthy engine development.  Technology advance increases the  power-per-cylinder year after year.  Economy is crucial. Fuel costs will rise greatly as supplies run low and the two cylinder engine offers less fuel consumption and less total engine friction than an equal displacement four cylinder engine..  Acceptable ngine refinement can be had by using two sets of counter-rotating counterbalance shafts; one at engine speed and one at twice engine speed.  Less complex balancing is available at slightly less refinement.  Either approach will be coupled with elastic engine mounts.  Computer controlled mounts are another option for higher-end vehicles.  As engine sizes shrink, combustion chamber space for direct fuel injection, four valves, and a spark plug or two becomes very precious.  Two cylinders give more space per cylinder for a given engine displacement and eases the engineering challenge.  Durability is more a matter of materials, precision, and design than of how many cylinders are used.  Fiat and Tata are going with parallel twins, but a V-twin is another very feasible approach, using counter-rotating counterweights at twice engine speed to quell the secondary imbalance forces.  Not to be ignored is the important engine compartment space savings allowed by having only two cylinders to find room for. </p>
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		<title>By: jamsbong</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-170606</link>
		<dc:creator>jamsbong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, car companies are introducing lesser cylinders? that means more noise and vibration! I personally consider 4 cylinders low and anything lower is just brute and uncivilized.

Nah, I don&#039;t like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, car companies are introducing lesser cylinders? that means more noise and vibration! I personally consider 4 cylinders low and anything lower is just brute and uncivilized.</p>
<p>Nah, I don&#8217;t like this.</p>
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		<title>By: azrai</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169825</link>
		<dc:creator>azrai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wah...Macam motosikal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wah&#8230;Macam motosikal.</p>
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		<title>By: JULIANLEE2</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169654</link>
		<dc:creator>JULIANLEE2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 06:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WILL THIS BE ON THE FIAT 500 ARIA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WILL THIS BE ON THE FIAT 500 ARIA?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169537</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>test</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169536</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have a feeling they are comparing to a 4 cylinder engine of equal displacement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have a feeling they are comparing to a 4 cylinder engine of equal displacement</p>
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		<title>By: knight_templar</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169523</link>
		<dc:creator>knight_templar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>suddenly the concept of a two cylinder econobox like the Tata Nano is not an isolated one. Foresight on Ratan Tata&#039;s part perhaps? 
Anyway is that an engine with a boxer layout? what seems weird is the engine is half the size but weight is only reduced by 20% and worst volume only 25%. That means the combusted volume of fuel, which has been reduced by half (from 4 cyl) effectively HAS to deal with  more weight. Doesnt seem like a logical approach. There should have been more reductions in weight and space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suddenly the concept of a two cylinder econobox like the Tata Nano is not an isolated one. Foresight on Ratan Tata&#8217;s part perhaps?<br />
Anyway is that an engine with a boxer layout? what seems weird is the engine is half the size but weight is only reduced by 20% and worst volume only 25%. That means the combusted volume of fuel, which has been reduced by half (from 4 cyl) effectively HAS to deal with  more weight. Doesnt seem like a logical approach. There should have been more reductions in weight and space.</p>
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		<title>By: nmh</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/07/06/fiat-to-build-two-cylinder-sge-engine-in-poland/#comment-169520</link>
		<dc:creator>nmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>110 bhp ...super light super supermini</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>110 bhp &#8230;super light super supermini</p>
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		<title>By: mokkf82</title>
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		<dc:creator>mokkf82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good! the fuel consumption would be great in this. Small car small engine and big saving in fuel definitely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good! the fuel consumption would be great in this. Small car small engine and big saving in fuel definitely</p>
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		<title>By: Roti Naan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roti Naan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one can&#039;t compared car engine &amp; superbike engine per se, even though the cc is almost similar.  1 thing for sure, superbike engine thrives on high rpm but the torque isn&#039;t that outstanding.   Typically road going car engine rev hardly exceed  5 figures rpm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one can&#8217;t compared car engine &amp; superbike engine per se, even though the cc is almost similar.  1 thing for sure, superbike engine thrives on high rpm but the torque isn&#8217;t that outstanding.   Typically road going car engine rev hardly exceed  5 figures rpm.</p>
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		<title>By: fighter_B2500</title>
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		<dc:creator>fighter_B2500</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>900cc that can produce 110hp..interesting!
but output from most of superbike engines is greater (without force induction of coz) ..this is due to racing tech ehh?? anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>900cc that can produce 110hp..interesting!<br />
but output from most of superbike engines is greater (without force induction of coz) ..this is due to racing tech ehh?? anyone know?</p>
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