Comments on: Proton Persona launched in Indonesia http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:28:56 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: wert@we.com http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-236799 wert@we.com Fri, 08 May 2009 08:18:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-236799 proton where is your new perdana? why so late? proton where is your new perdana? why so late?

]]> By: aicariefin http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-171076 aicariefin Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:43:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-171076 I have seen the Proton Persona yesterday evening at the Indonesia International Motor Show (IIMS). The Rp 122.000.000 is for the manual transmission standard version which doesn't have ABS-EBD, airbags and uses steel wheels. The Medium Line is sold for around Rp 131.000.000 On The Road and Rp 140.000.000 OTR for the Automatic transmission. The medium line has 1 airbag, ABS+EBD and alloy wheels. The High LIne has all the safety kudos (Double Airbag, ABS+EBD, 4 Disc Brakes, foglamps). I am not sure if the Persona will sell well in Indonesia because we think more of aftersales value. However the pricing is tempting. I was also a little bit interested in the Medium Line Persona but I don't like the backseats. It's to straight. Proton in Indonesia has only sold 1.300 units with a target of 3000 a year. Main competitors of the Persona will be the Toyota Vios ( 160-180 mio) , Suzuki SX4 Sedan (170-180 mio), but also the hatchbacks Suzuki Swift 130-140 mio, Suzuki SX4 X-Road and X-Over (140-160 mio), Honda Jazz (160-180 mio). Proton still has a lot of catching up to do with more dealers and service centers and also the build quality and image. Indonesians still look at Proton as a car maker which only creates Taxis (Proton Iswara and Wira). I have seen the Proton Persona yesterday evening at the Indonesia International Motor Show (IIMS). The Rp 122.000.000 is for the manual transmission standard version which doesn’t have ABS-EBD, airbags and uses steel wheels. The Medium Line is sold for around Rp 131.000.000 On The Road and Rp 140.000.000 OTR for the Automatic transmission. The medium line has 1 airbag, ABS+EBD and alloy wheels. The High LIne has all the safety kudos (Double Airbag, ABS+EBD, 4 Disc Brakes, foglamps).

I am not sure if the Persona will sell well in Indonesia because we think more of aftersales value. However the pricing is tempting. I was also a little bit interested in the Medium Line Persona but I don’t like the backseats. It’s to straight. Proton in Indonesia has only sold 1.300 units with a target of 3000 a year. Main competitors of the Persona will be the Toyota Vios ( 160-180 mio) , Suzuki SX4 Sedan (170-180 mio), but also the hatchbacks Suzuki Swift 130-140 mio, Suzuki SX4 X-Road and X-Over (140-160 mio), Honda Jazz (160-180 mio).

Proton still has a lot of catching up to do with more dealers and service centers and also the build quality and image. Indonesians still look at Proton as a car maker which only creates Taxis (Proton Iswara and Wira).

]]> By: shaif http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170814 shaif Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:14:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170814 Aiseh Syoh, should you trust your bengkel friend or is it come out from the mouth of mechanics in Proton Service Center? Aiseh Syoh, should you trust your bengkel friend or is it come out from the mouth of mechanics in Proton Service Center?

]]> By: MisterBenjo http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170793 MisterBenjo Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:02:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170793 hahaha iafm copying surbo?that is the bigges joke of the year...hahha..ya it is old tech mate...but not surbo hahhaa hahaha iafm copying surbo?that is the bigges joke of the year…hahha..ya it is old tech mate…but not surbo hahhaa

]]> By: MisterBenjo http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170792 MisterBenjo Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:59:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170792 BanyakMasukWorkshop said, July 14, 2008 @ 8:43 am mister benjo, just cause its not on this website doesnt mean its not for sale.. you should have looked in protons website, the people who actually sell the car. http://www.proton-edar.com.my/ its clearly for sale, and listed as persona iafm. ------------------------------------------------------------ hahaha why are u teaching me? i am explaining to arcana.huhuuhuh BanyakMasukWorkshop said,

July 14, 2008 @ 8:43 am

mister benjo, just cause its not on this website doesnt mean its not for sale..

you should have looked in protons website, the people who actually sell the car.

http://www.proton-edar.com.my/

its clearly for sale, and listed as persona iafm.

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hahaha why are u teaching me? i am explaining to arcana.huhuuhuh

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170729 fastcx Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:51:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170729 iafm is for mass produce, for typical family car, cps is for higher performance category...coil on plug in only for iafm campro, not in cps. after all, iafm dont even works like surbo! if ppl do port n polish for more performance for smoother air flow, whos the "genius" who think add fins(more air restriction) will add boost? it might add during idle, but when u start revving its just stupid idea to put fin! pity isn't it? automotive is about science, not myth n no statistic to back up or even repeatable result! Surbo adds power? MYTH BUSTED! iafm is for mass produce, for typical family car, cps is for higher performance category…coil on plug in only for iafm campro, not in cps. after all, iafm dont even works like surbo! if ppl do port n polish for more performance for smoother air flow, whos the “genius” who think add fins(more air restriction) will add boost? it might add during idle, but when u start revving its just stupid idea to put fin! pity isn’t it? automotive is about science, not myth n no statistic to back up or even repeatable result! Surbo adds power? MYTH BUSTED!

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170728 fastcx Mon, 14 Jul 2008 09:46:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170728 Wahahaha SY0H, which planet r u from? Surbo? lol Surbo is hoax la, show us scientific and track time prove la! iafm works as dual length intake pipe. and pls, dnt look at the whole picture based on single salesman's point of view...is it typical for malaysian just get info from "Hear,say"? Pity, isn't it? Wahahaha SY0H, which planet r u from? Surbo? lol Surbo is hoax la, show us scientific and track time prove la! iafm works as dual length intake pipe. and pls, dnt look at the whole picture based on single salesman’s point of view…is it typical for malaysian just get info from “Hear,say”? Pity, isn’t it?

]]> By: SY0H http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170716 SY0H Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:14:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170716 Hi, Lately Proton have shown a slight improvement in their selling strategies, yet I still feel Proton is cheating us Malaysians. IAFM is an old technology borrowed from Japan which was out many-many years ago, they called it Surbo, all Ah-Bengkel knows this modified air-intake is used to upgrade the performance of carburetor engines. IAFM is basically a modified air-intake (by changing the geometry of the air-intake, add extra spiral fins and etc) to slightly boost the old Campro's performance. Actually I was looking forward with CPS technology (which was again adopted from the famous V-Tech, i-VTech, DVVT technologies, again from old Japan tech). Unfortunately, Proton is installing CPS engine only on Waja and Gen-2 model to boost the selling of this infamous cars (for god sake, please come out with new models to replace this old designs) . Other Proton cars will only have the standard Campro engine with IAFM (Persona, Saga...). I asked one of the Proton's salesman, why no CPS for Persona, "nanti tak laku Waja dan Gen-2". Pity isn't it? <strong>Paul Tan says: i dont think iafm works like that surbo device at all... there are no spiral fins in iafm.</strong> Hi,

Lately Proton have shown a slight improvement in their selling strategies, yet I still feel Proton is cheating us Malaysians. IAFM is an old technology borrowed from Japan which was out many-many years ago, they called it Surbo, all Ah-Bengkel knows this modified air-intake is used to upgrade the performance of carburetor engines. IAFM is basically a modified air-intake (by changing the geometry of the air-intake, add extra spiral fins and etc) to slightly boost the old Campro’s performance. Actually I was looking forward with CPS technology (which was again adopted from the famous V-Tech, i-VTech, DVVT technologies, again from old Japan tech). Unfortunately, Proton is installing CPS engine only on Waja and Gen-2 model to boost the selling of this infamous cars (for god sake, please come out with new models to replace this old designs) . Other Proton cars will only have the standard Campro engine with IAFM (Persona, Saga…). I asked one of the Proton’s salesman, why no CPS for Persona, “nanti tak laku Waja dan Gen-2″. Pity isn’t it?

Paul Tan says: i dont think iafm works like that surbo device at all… there are no spiral fins in iafm.

]]> By: Niceguy http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170700 Niceguy Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:07:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170700 I think Proton had learnt a great lesson in the past few years which they faced great loss in a few models. Now, they had actually get up after the fall and produce a car model that malaysian really need: spacious and cheap. In general view, we can't ignore that by launching our own-brand of cars, we prevented loss of currecy to Japanese and Korean car-makers and provide many job opportunities. Hundreds of Malaysian companies depend on Proton. If someone is going to blaim the quality of Proton cars, he should blaim the command malaysian "tak apa/chincai" spirit of work. The success of sale in overseas market is definitely something that we should proud of. It indicates that Malaysian/Proton is changing their attitute after the "lesson". I think Proton had learnt a great lesson in the past few years which they faced great loss in a few models. Now, they had actually get up after the fall and produce a car model that malaysian really need: spacious and cheap.
In general view, we can’t ignore that by launching our own-brand of cars, we prevented loss of currecy to Japanese and Korean car-makers and provide many job opportunities. Hundreds of Malaysian companies depend on Proton. If someone is going to blaim the quality of Proton cars, he should blaim the command malaysian “tak apa/chincai” spirit of work.
The success of sale in overseas market is definitely something that we should proud of. It indicates that Malaysian/Proton is changing their attitute after the “lesson”.

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170687 BanyakMasukWorkshop Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:43:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170687 mister benjo, just cause its not on this website doesnt mean its not for sale.. you should have looked in protons website, the people who actually sell the car. http://www.proton-edar.com.my/ its clearly for sale, and listed as persona iafm. mister benjo, just cause its not on this website doesnt mean its not for sale..

you should have looked in protons website, the people who actually sell the car.

http://www.proton-edar.com.my/

its clearly for sale, and listed as persona iafm.

]]> By: MisterBenjo http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170568 MisterBenjo Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:01:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170568 arcana said, July 13, 2008 @ 2:13 am well…i dont simply go to showrooms, so i wouldnt know, moreover…i’ve tried searching this website…no indication that the proton launched IAFM model for the persona….perhaps it was during the gen2? maybe it was a quiet thing…. besides IAFM…how bout CPS, i’m sure u car pros will know better than me in this case. and it sounds like a given thing that proton always give better stuff to foreign countries…..there’s always a possibility to change it right?…..since they are improving well….why not offer something to us first?…..everything has a start, its whether they want to initiate that beginning or not. i’m not bashing proton for nothing, i just feel that we malaysians deserve better from our proud national car….shouldnt we? -------------------------------------------------------------- Other than gen2 cps which was launched in thailand first, Can u tell me other model that we didnt get it first? arcana said,

July 13, 2008 @ 2:13 am

well…i dont simply go to showrooms, so i wouldnt know, moreover…i’ve tried searching this website…no indication that the proton launched IAFM model for the persona….perhaps it was during the gen2? maybe it was a quiet thing….
besides IAFM…how bout CPS, i’m sure u car pros will know better than me in this case.

and it sounds like a given thing that proton always give better stuff to foreign countries…..there’s always a possibility to change it right?…..since they are improving well….why not offer something to us first?…..everything has a start, its whether they want to initiate that beginning or not.

i’m not bashing proton for nothing, i just feel that we malaysians deserve better from our proud national car….shouldnt we?
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Other than gen2 cps which was launched in thailand first, Can u tell me other model that we didnt get it first?

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170567 fastcx Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:01:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170567 arcana, iafm is offered to us b4 other country…v can get L-line(lowest budget), M-line(basic stuff minus abs+srs+other better trim), H-line creme de la creme spec. other country gets H-line(sometimes M-line if no strict regulation on srs airbag). they do offer malaysian things tat they offer other country, just the matter of whether u can afford it n really into looking for a suitable ride for urself. but most of the time, malaysian just listen to friend’s aunty’s uncle’s daughter’s friend’s cousin says not defending, just put out something tat most ppl seem to ignored arcana, iafm is offered to us b4 other country…v can get L-line(lowest budget), M-line(basic stuff minus abs+srs+other better trim), H-line creme de la creme spec. other country gets H-line(sometimes M-line if no strict regulation on srs airbag).

they do offer malaysian things tat they offer other country, just the matter of whether u can afford it n really into looking for a suitable ride for urself. but most of the time, malaysian just listen to friend’s aunty’s uncle’s daughter’s friend’s cousin says

not defending, just put out something tat most ppl seem to ignored

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170566 fastcx Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:59:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170566 arcana, iafm is offered to us b4 other country...v can get L-line(lowest budget), M-line(basic stuff minus abs+srs+other better trim), H-line creme de la creme spec. other country gets H-line(sometimes M-line if no strict regulation on srs airbag). they do offer malaysian things tat they offer other country, just the matter of whether u can afford it n really info looking for a suitable ride for urself. but most of the time, malaysian just listen to friend's aunty's uncle's daughter's friend's cousin says arcana, iafm is offered to us b4 other country…v can get L-line(lowest budget), M-line(basic stuff minus abs+srs+other better trim), H-line creme de la creme spec. other country gets H-line(sometimes M-line if no strict regulation on srs airbag).

they do offer malaysian things tat they offer other country, just the matter of whether u can afford it n really info looking for a suitable ride for urself. but most of the time, malaysian just listen to friend’s aunty’s uncle’s daughter’s friend’s cousin says

]]> By: arcana http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170561 arcana Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:13:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170561 well...i dont simply go to showrooms, so i wouldnt know, moreover...i've tried searching this website...no indication that the proton launched IAFM model for the persona....perhaps it was during the gen2? maybe it was a quiet thing.... besides IAFM...how bout CPS, i'm sure u car pros will know better than me in this case. and it sounds like a given thing that proton always give better stuff to foreign countries.....there's always a possibility to change it right?.....since they are improving well....why not offer something to us first?.....everything has a start, its whether they want to initiate that beginning or not. i'm not bashing proton for nothing, i just feel that we malaysians deserve better from our proud national car....shouldnt we? well…i dont simply go to showrooms, so i wouldnt know, moreover…i’ve tried searching this website…no indication that the proton launched IAFM model for the persona….perhaps it was during the gen2? maybe it was a quiet thing….
besides IAFM…how bout CPS, i’m sure u car pros will know better than me in this case.

and it sounds like a given thing that proton always give better stuff to foreign countries…..there’s always a possibility to change it right?…..since they are improving well….why not offer something to us first?…..everything has a start, its whether they want to initiate that beginning or not.

i’m not bashing proton for nothing, i just feel that we malaysians deserve better from our proud national car….shouldnt we?

]]> By: Roti Naan http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170556 Roti Naan Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:31:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170556 Anything concerns of Proton, sure become bashing forum one...... I'm sure the bashing didn't appear overnight out of thin air. I guess its just an indication that the perception of proton among ppl isn't all that good, yet..... Anything concerns of Proton, sure become bashing forum one……

I’m sure the bashing didn’t appear overnight out of thin air. I guess its just an indication that the perception of proton among ppl isn’t all that good, yet…..

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170551 BanyakMasukWorkshop Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:27:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170551 Topgunthang, based on your posting "they forgot to mention in the newspapers how bad proton is performing in all other car markets in the world", maybe you should enlighten us all here on some facts or at least some links to some facts.. as i personally cannot recall reading anywhere else recently on how bad proton is doing in other markets. i hope you're not posting something negative just for the sake of it. if its true, please share some facts. i would love to know as well. Topgunthang,

based on your posting “they forgot to mention in the newspapers how bad proton is performing in all other car markets in the world”, maybe you should enlighten us all here on some facts or at least some links to some facts.. as i personally cannot recall reading anywhere else recently on how bad proton is doing in other markets. i hope you’re not posting something negative just for the sake of it. if its true, please share some facts. i would love to know as well.

]]> By: MyviKiller http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170543 MyviKiller Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:58:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170543 tec96248, Yeah u might be right. I've got one Viva on my driveway fyi, fair n square. tec96248,

Yeah u might be right.

I’ve got one Viva on my driveway fyi, fair n square.

]]> By: MisterBenjo http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170541 MisterBenjo Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:04:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170541 arcana said, July 12, 2008 @ 2:24 am wow……our neighbours get the “better” persona….we still have that crappy old campro installed…..where’s our IAFM for the sedan!! why our so called national car its lagging in terms of offerings compared to our neighbours……so odd, shouldnt proton’s home gets the best of the crop?….we are late…always! -------------------------------------------------------------- oh my god...got somebody wh dont know persona comes with IAFM long time ago...huhuhe should read this website more often . arcana said,
July 12, 2008 @ 2:24 am

wow……our neighbours get the “better” persona….we still have that crappy old campro installed…..where’s our IAFM for the sedan!!
why our so called national car its lagging in terms of offerings compared to our neighbours……so odd, shouldnt proton’s home gets the best of the crop?….we are late…always!

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oh my god…got somebody wh dont know persona comes with IAFM long time ago…huhuhe should read this website more often .

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170538 fastcx Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:19:30 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170538 i said the conversion rate as the factor bcz for launching something like a car, they need to plan ahead a year or less. price r fixed back then...too many misinformed critics around here by using their own "common sense" only, empty head i said the conversion rate as the factor bcz for launching something like a car, they need to plan ahead a year or less. price r fixed back then…too many misinformed critics around here by using their own “common sense” only, empty head

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170536 fastcx Sat, 12 Jul 2008 09:17:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170536 guys, currency conversion for these i think is based on last few month's, last few month's rate isnt as low as now, tats y u all c it as 3k cheaper when u use current rate -.-" all idiots keep finding ways to critique p1, but not use for finding ways to make moneys..oni know complain...go check out p1 showroom la, long time ago persona is iafm in malaysian shore dy! many old ancient ppl in malaysia guys, currency conversion for these i think is based on last few month’s, last few month’s rate isnt as low as now, tats y u all c it as 3k cheaper when u use current rate -.-” all idiots keep finding ways to critique p1, but not use for finding ways to make moneys..oni know complain…go check out p1 showroom la, long time ago persona is iafm in malaysian shore dy! many old ancient ppl in malaysia

]]> By: vandenlye http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170530 vandenlye Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:20:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170530 malaysian really got fooled by proton, look at the selling price, indonesian can get RM3000 cheaper compare to malaysian could get... malaysian really got fooled by proton, look at the selling price, indonesian can get RM3000 cheaper compare to malaysian could get…

]]> By: tec96248 http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170529 tec96248 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:16:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170529 good move proton. trying to sell as much models in overseas and in many countries too. sometimes is really funny though. some criticized P1 cause they like P2 and some criticized P2 cause they like P1. Both are empty head anyway. Luckily I didn't put P-killer. Because planning to get P-Lion = Praising Lion = Peugeot. Maybe replacing my N. P. or T. for a Lion! hahaha....... good move proton. trying to sell as much models in overseas and in many countries too.
sometimes is really funny though. some criticized P1 cause they like P2 and some criticized P2 cause they like P1. Both are empty head anyway. Luckily I didn’t put P-killer. Because planning to get P-Lion = Praising Lion = Peugeot. Maybe replacing my N. P. or T. for a Lion! hahaha…….

]]> By: MyviKiller http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170527 MyviKiller Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:39:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170527 Or maybe there's light in their head but there's no one in there! (being foolish) Or maybe there’s light in their head but there’s no one in there! (being foolish)

]]> By: MyviKiller http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170525 MyviKiller Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:35:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170525 There will be critics with empty heads so long the car has a P1 badge on it, try putting the T badge and the response will be different. There will be critics with empty heads so long the car has a P1 badge on it, try putting the T badge and the response will be different.

]]> By: mokkf82 http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170516 mokkf82 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:30:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170516 Come on!~ you guys just can't stop complaining about local cars. There are ppl complain about P2, just that it is not posted here. And for you JulianLee2, stop being so sellfish and critisizing Indonesion for being stupid. Most of the M'sian buying this car as well, so are you saying most M'sian also stupid? Pls mind your language!. And never judge about the difference of quality and prices of proton cars in other countrys. Their country have different taxes and rules k and the demand is different from here as well. I'm not a pro in this finacial crap thing, but do you think P1 would want to sell their cars so expensive? They would want to sell it cheap too.! We pay high petrol because we base on international oil prices, not because of Proton. They did not control that. So pls think twice before giving such comment. FYI, i'm not driving proton car. Come on!~ you guys just can’t stop complaining about local cars. There are ppl complain about P2, just that it is not posted here.
And for you JulianLee2, stop being so sellfish and critisizing Indonesion for being stupid. Most of the M’sian buying this car as well, so are you saying most M’sian also stupid? Pls mind your language!.

And never judge about the difference of quality and prices of proton cars in other countrys. Their country have different taxes and rules k and the demand is different from here as well. I’m not a pro in this finacial crap thing, but do you think P1 would want to sell their cars so expensive? They would want to sell it cheap too.!
We pay high petrol because we base on international oil prices, not because of Proton. They did not control that. So pls think twice before giving such comment.
FYI, i’m not driving proton car.

]]> By: JULIANLEE2 http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170510 JULIANLEE2 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:36:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170510 only stupid indonesians will buy this car only stupid indonesians will buy this car

]]> By: adil2008 http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170509 adil2008 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:22:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170509 oversea RM42,600.00, local RM45,949.00, why we need to pay extra RM3,349.00? why? Proton, why? we already pay extra on everything, petrol, rice, bread, duty excise, taxes and why the local brand car also chit our malaysian, why? I will not support the proton for my entire life, i need to wait and see what ill happend in the future. Proton & EON is the most unsatisfied the customer complaints organization in this country. PERODUA is doing the job very well, well done. PERODUA. oversea RM42,600.00, local RM45,949.00, why we need to pay extra RM3,349.00? why? Proton, why? we already pay extra on everything, petrol, rice, bread, duty excise, taxes and why the local brand car also chit our malaysian, why?
I will not support the proton for my entire life, i need to wait and see what ill happend in the future. Proton & EON is the most unsatisfied the customer complaints organization in this country.
PERODUA is doing the job very well, well done. PERODUA.

]]> By: MyviKiller http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170500 MyviKiller Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:19:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170500 arcana said, July 12, 2008 @ 2:24 am wow……our neighbours get the “better” persona….we still have that crappy old campro installed…..where’s our IAFM for the sedan!! why our so called national car its lagging in terms of offerings compared to our neighbours……so odd, shouldnt proton’s home gets the best of the crop?….we are late…always! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, my Persona is an IAFM variant, it's been for a few months k...? arcana said,
July 12, 2008 @ 2:24 am

wow……our neighbours get the “better” persona….we still have that crappy old campro installed…..where’s our IAFM for the sedan!!
why our so called national car its lagging in terms of offerings compared to our neighbours……so odd, shouldnt proton’s home gets the best of the crop?….we are late…always!
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Hello, my Persona is an IAFM variant, it’s been for a few months k…?

]]> By: geminas http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170499 geminas Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:12:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170499 are u sure the IAFM Persona is not out yet? i think i saw a brochure which indicate persona IAFM. bacardiboy "Since Malaysians never question anything, and simply buy anything the local industry puts out (misplaced ‘patriotism’ if you ask me), they never bothered to improve the cars sold here. why should they? Msians are still buying Protons to this day." They did improved their car sold here, its just certain people refused to see the improvement and Malaysian do question everything, hehe :) are u sure the IAFM Persona is not out yet? i think i saw a brochure which indicate persona IAFM.

bacardiboy

“Since Malaysians never question anything, and simply buy anything the local industry puts out (misplaced ‘patriotism’ if you ask me), they never bothered to improve the cars sold here. why should they? Msians are still buying Protons to this day.”

They did improved their car sold here, its just certain people refused to see the improvement and Malaysian do question everything, hehe :)

]]> By: auctioncenter2u http://paultan.org/2008/07/11/proton-persona-launched-in-indonesia/#comment-170497 auctioncenter2u Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:04:44 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=6048#comment-170497 I hope Proton is really making Profit at Indo. Only selling RM43K? Maybe with No airbag? No ABS? I hope Proton is really making Profit at Indo. Only selling RM43K? Maybe with No airbag? No ABS?

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