Energy used:

12.0v X 6 amps max = 72 watt (engine off)

13.5v X 6 amps max = 81 watt (engine running)

For comparison purposes:

-Most standard in-car stereos are rated at 90 -120 watt nowadays.

-EACH of your front headlamp bulb is rated at 60 watt. U're already consuming 120 watt just by turning on your headlamps ALONE.

Maybe what he meant was jaminan that technology with potential will be allowed a chance to be developed? The comma in the sentence after jaminan seems a bit odd.

Try reading it this way:

“Kerajaan memberi jaminan teknologi yang berpotensi perlu diberi peluang untuk berkembang”

After all, it’s probably a transcript of a speech. Although the perlu there is still grammatically incorrect. Haha.

It says:
Menurutnya, bagi mengurangkan penggantungan kepada petrol dan diesel, Malaysia tidak boleh lagi menjadi negara pengguna teknologi, tetapi sebaliknya pencipta teknologi.

“Saya dimaklumkan bahawa teknologi hidrofuel berkesan.
Kerajaan memberi jaminan, teknologi yang berpotensi perlu diberi peluang untuk berkembang,” katanya.

Namun begitu, katanya, banyak penduduk tempatan tidak memberi perhatian kepada produk dalam negara.

“Ini perangai orang Malaysia, kurang yakin nak beli produk tempatan. Kalau produk dari negeri orang putih, mereka sokong, mereka beli.

“Oleh itu, kena beri sokongan kepada teknologi tempatan,” tambahnya.

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PENCIPTA TEKNOLOGI?
WOW!!! Malaysian founded this idea and invented this this?

KERAJAAN MEMBERI JAMINAN…
Oh wow… what type of “JAMINAN”?
He didn’t mentioned he has tried it or install it on his cars, he says “Saya dimaklumkan”, he’s simply being told and then he just believe; then he give us “JAMINAN” and perhaps asking us to try because he’s being “maklumkan” it works.

TEKNOLOGI TEMPATAN?
Again, WOW!

Just approve RM100 million like that by simply being told it works? So simple…

Everyone with some reasonable science knows electrolysis can sepparate water into Hydrogen and Oxygen gasses. HOWEVER, the process of electrolysis consumes a LARGER amount of energy, when compared to the amount of energy you can generate out of the gasses through regular combustion. This is why, electrolysis is not used in hydrogen fuel cell cars where instead of storing hydrogen gas at high pressures, wy not just carry water and make the hydrogen on the fly?

Moving on, the supposed “new” thing here is HHO gas (NOT 2H2+02), called “brown’s gas”, which is quite un-intuitive, but is claimed (and in fact shown in industrial torches) to be able to burn well at very high temperatures, or assist in fuel combustion. Some people (on the Internet) have claimed that generating HHO is easy, requiring little power.

Personally, I think this is all crap. HHO in itself sounds a bit ridiculous, which is why most people assume it to be a hydrogen system. However, there are tonnes of videos and materials to read online, and to the inquisitive mind, they do show some interesting results. People have demonstrated with low voltages and amps, being able to produce large amounts of HHO, though of course, we don’t really know if they are lying or anything.

If this touted new technology is electrolysis and adding hydrogen to the fuel-air mixture, you can be sure it’s a scam and better to ignore it. However, If it’s talking about HHO, then maybe more R&D is warranted, as it has not been sufficiently proven, or disproven.

bro.. u own a LMG? wow!! did u ask them what happened to those ‘magical’ canister that supposed to came along with it?

this technology is not new and it’s not entirely new tehcnology invented by this dr though.
so why all the fuss?
if you want to try his product or try to DIY on your car then go ahead.
there’s a lot of people out there install it on their own.
there’s a lot of manual on the internet on how to do it and it doesn’t cost much…less than RM200 i guess.

Besides, we have plenty of rocket scientists here who assume that the hydrofuel system is working. We even have a hydrofuel representative here.

As usual, like the inventor, they FOCUS on the 2nd important factor, trying to DIVERT people’s attention on the magical canister, which is the heart source of the whole story.

Yes yes yes, hydrogen cause embrittlement, hydrogen explosion stronger, hydrogen clean, but WTF is generating the hydrogen?

Most Carburetor car models (such as Iswara, old Wira, Kancil) can work. From our test, an average 20-35% is achievable, subject to driving conditions and driving style.

The challenging part is for fuel injected models, which is controlled by ICU and data feed by sensors. People in the NGV industry knew that Campro can work with NGV but risk of top overhaul after 100-150k is there, due to metal fatigue or here called “hydrogen embrittlement”. THere are also risks of ECU cannot work properly due to “wrong data feed” to the ECU (higher hydrogen ratio for intake).

Sometimes it is quite unfair to say Dr.Halim invention cannot work. His HFT product has actually been tested in several labs (with grants from Msian govt). As my comments earlier, it can work but some engine models are not recommended.

Readings and theories dig from internet also is valuable, but actual R&D is the key to accurate information. Every inventions or product has its advantages and disadvantages.

Technically, the product can work but not to all engine models. Price wise, it is quite on the higher side and once the economies of scale is there, I believe the price will be slightly reduced (due to increase of demand , but consistent increase of costs of steel based materials).

IMHO, new engines which uses high tensile steel or alloy for its internal components (esp. piston, intake valve) is more vulnerable to hydrogen enbrittlement. Older engines that uses more traditional steel is less vulnerable.

i feel that what this guy is doing is criminal. whats the criteria for becoming a dealer? initial purchase of 1000units of this hydroxene technology (which has been exposed to be a scam many times already)

i should know, i OWN one.

LMG Shuttle. 5 seats, 2.4 liter ancient mitsubishi engine.

underpowered, lousy assembly even worse than proton, panel gaps are the size of the mediterrean fault.

but, the features inside are not bad. blowers for 2nd row, display on rear view mirror.

other than that, nothing else, no just add water bullshit in the shuttle. absolutely no.

it’s a bitch trying to sell it off.

Electrolysis is NOT an energy positive process; meaning u get the same amount of energy as u provide to electrolyze (so why bother).

Catalysis is possible as mentioned on http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg15496.html

The exact paper by Madey is not available anymore. But the idea is that water can dissociate on active metal surfaces. (Surface effect = catalysis). Madey used silver, other “hydrofuel” sites on the net use aluminium. Not sure how far this is practicable, but the theory is there.

Now, if the gentleman explaining this above said that it uses electricity, I don’t know how it deals with the conservation of energy. But maybe it is a combination of those two effecs?

Looks like you had nailed down the issue.
I share your thought!.

Cheers..

2nd, fuel consumption=combustion efficiency. Best modern internal combustion (ic) engine i.e with VVT, direct injection etc. effiency is arround 38% (correct me if i’m wrong). That means only 380ml of 1 litre fuel is burnt to move our car. The rest? wasted!
How can fuel consumption is better obtained? Simple…
H2 is burnt in gas form which can mix better with air. Petrol? injected in mist (particle) form. Should mix worse with air before burnt.
More… H2 burn rate is much faster than petrol…
So thats why the FC is better.

The skeptical fact is that H2 for ic engine will damage the component inside?
If from liquified form I agree because changing form from liquid to gas will absorb energy, thus made the components involved changed to sub 0 deg C in temperature. That will made them become brittle!

HHO is always in gas form! So no temperature change…
So let’s give the company its best try. If successful, it’ll benefit us.

In general, some comments are correct while some are quite inaccurate. I can share some information from my exposure in automotive R&D for several companies in Europe

1. HFT IS NOT WATER INJECTION
From our insiders info, it is like an Advanced Electrolysis System which produces hydrogen gas from splitting the molecules of H20. It still uses electricity but at a much lower rate compared to traditional electrolysis. It produces nearly “on demand” hydrogen.

2. METAL FATIGUE
We have done our extensive research ( > 3 years) on hybrid systems ; including combination of petrol (isooctane) + pure hydrogen usage in normal ICE (internal combustion engine). After a simulation about 4-5 years usage (approx 120,000-150,000km) , there are risks of hairline crack in valve.

The research is done with our technological partners from Russia, Japan, Germany and France in several parts of the world, including Malaysia. The problem is the metal components were designed for petrol usage, and not hybrid. All hybrid cars that used hydrogen as fuel or partial fuel have stronger and improved internal components (especially the valves). The risks of crack or components failure may not affect all models, but some models are affected ( Campro engine is one of them).

This is due to the chemical reaction in the combustion chamber. Hydrogen that is spitted into the chamber is in an unstable manner (because only one charge is existence). Therefore, it will combine with petrol (CH) or sometimes oxygen (from air) , that produces water molecules.

Eg : HH + O = HHO (water)
Eg2 : H + O = HO ( this molecule is unstable, need another +ve charge, H)

There are some more equations, but it will make most people more confused.

3. BY-PRODUCTS
In theory, the system is very clean. In reality, it is clean but produces
-a- hydrogen
-b- oxygen
-c- water

Hydrogen can negatively affect the components as explained before.
Water molecules is also existed, although at small amount. In the short run (2-3 years) it is ok but in the long run, it can also affect on the internal combustion components for some engine.

4. ELECTRICITY
The system need electric to run. Traditional theory suggest that the total energy produced is less than the energy that is needed to produce the hydrogen. However, the new system might have been significantly improved to produce more hydrogen / energy with much less energy.

5. CAR THAT 100% RUN ON WATER
with the ICE system, it is nearly impossible. Only about 13-17% of the petrol we pour in our car actually make the car moving. Others are wasted through heat, frictions, etc. ICE is only about 13-17% efficient.

That is some of the main reason that car companies look at 3 main alternatives
-a- hybrid ( petrol + electric)
-b- electric
-c- hydrogen

for -c- and -a-, it can uses the traditional ICE but for -b- , they use electric motor to run the tyre.

ELECTRONIC
This is the biggest stumble block… increase in hydrogen ratio will significantly affect the calculations in ECU. Some cars give negative feedback (higher consumption, less power) due to the inaccurate calculations from the ECU. This type of cars has to be upgraded (the ECU) or reprogrammed.

IMHO
Some cars can run on hybrid (petrol + hydrogen) with no problem. But some cars is not suitable. It is customer’s right to buy or not. But there are some risks of components failure that have actually kept a lot of manufacturers to improve their vehicles to cater for market demand ; better fuel consumption, better reliability and lower cost of maintenance.

kalau 1.62 sen/liter n save up to 50% selepas guna this product lagi jimat daripada harga minyak sekarang.

tq

I’m not rocket scientist, but I know HHO as supplement fuel is possible. There might be side effects as highlighted by the article.
You got the energy from the alternator. Few amps plus a little bit of catalyst is enough to produce a good electrolysis. From there, we would get your “hydrogen and oxygen ions”.

There is no magic in it. The magic word is “supplement fuel”.

What is not possible (yet) is for a vehicle to run purely on water.

As a matter of fact, I do plan to start an experiment on it.

If you have seen it, you will understand why aluminum is expensive and why its not practical in this application.

Granted this “hydroxene” system does have the benefit of easier storage of its reactants (compared to compressed/liquified hydrogen) but it makes little sense as a fuel source unless you have a nuclear power station just producing power to refine aluminum.

Many years ago, there was the son of this rich family from Sarawak who was very well connected who went around touting such hydoxene ideas to top leaders including some well known and globally respected ones. All the technocrats around who were engineers were sceptical but it did not prevent them from forcing the technocrats to spend considerable amount of time looking at the engineering. Low lifes like us looked into it and figured in a few minutes what those guys could not in months.

The way water actually produced hydrogen in that instance was using high electrical charge and a bit of acid but it basically burns the dynamo/storage batteries in the long run running the system. Law of conservation of energy applies.

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Sometimes it takes a simple eye to get a clear perspective.

Of course there are many ways to make hydrogen. Just how many of it is sustainable and feasible.

Your last paragraph, sure sounds like how your standard lead acid battery produces hydrogen when you charge it. I don’t see anyone harnessing the H2 from it? right. Because it wasn’t feasible.

If they are using gallium-aluminum hydroxide system, they will eventually have to replace the canister as the aluminum will be used up. So how often do you have to change the cannisters? And then what do you do with the discarded/used up cannisters?

Besides, hygrogen carries less energy per g, therefore you’d have to use up a whole lot more water in weight to make that 50% savings in petrol.

The way water actually produced hydrogen in that instance was using high electrical charge and a bit of acid but it basically burns the dynamo/storage batteries in the long run running the system. Law of conservation of energy applies.

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H2O plus energy from alternator -> HHO or H2 + O2

then combusted
HHO + fuel -> H2O + combution + heat

The one in controversy is that runs purely on water!.

RT.”

The reason that this kind of things pop up and sometimes got attention is just because we have quite some people who has similar level of understanding of physics and chemistry as you.

I wonder did you really do electrolysis before. And you seem to imagin that you can just zap the magic canister and it will produce hydrogen and oxygen ions…

You must be using antimatter alternator.