Comments on: Kia Forte – more photos of Korean domestic model http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:16:40 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Robert http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-267941 Robert Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:28:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-267941 Hi everybody. The Kia Cerato Forte model will be launched on November 15th 2009. Only 200 CBU units will be available. Pls call me for bookings. While stocks last. Call Robert: 012-7977178 No SMS pls Hi everybody. The Kia Cerato Forte model will be launched on November 15th 2009. Only 200 CBU units will be available. Pls call me for bookings. While stocks last.

Call Robert: 012-7977178
No SMS pls

]]> By: redliner http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178057 redliner Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:42:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178057 ALPINA BMW, yes, malaysian cars have higher interest rate, but although jap cars have lower interest rate, the higher instalment actually outweigh savings from lower FC. try calculate yourself. ALPINA BMW,

yes, malaysian cars have higher interest rate, but although jap cars have lower interest rate, the higher instalment actually outweigh savings from lower FC. try calculate yourself.

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178036 maibatsu_thunder Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:13:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178036 Altezzar you're wrong about that. CVVT is proven it's been running in thousands of cars since the previous generation Carens. Supplied by MorseTec, a subsidiary of Borg Warner. Their 2.0, 2.4 litre engine blocks are shared with Chrysler and Mitsubishi (you wouldn't call Mitsubishi unreliable would you?). Not durable? They should be filling up junkyards, stacking em up high by now then. Unreliable? I don't see them being towed or breaking down by the roadside. This attitude seems to happen in Malaysia by some bent on spreading malicious rumours to keep resale values of Jap cars high and Korean/Euro cars low. No matter though cos we can get good used Euro/Korean cars at a cheap price. Thanks. Altezzar you’re wrong about that. CVVT is proven it’s been running in thousands of cars since the previous generation Carens. Supplied by MorseTec, a subsidiary of Borg Warner. Their 2.0, 2.4 litre engine blocks are shared with Chrysler and Mitsubishi (you wouldn’t call Mitsubishi unreliable would you?). Not durable? They should be filling up junkyards, stacking em up high by now then. Unreliable? I don’t see them being towed or breaking down by the roadside. This attitude seems to happen in Malaysia by some bent on spreading malicious rumours to keep resale values of Jap cars high and Korean/Euro cars low. No matter though cos we can get good used Euro/Korean cars at a cheap price. Thanks.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178020 ALPINA BMW Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:20:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178020 redliner said, August 29, 2008 @ 2:35 pm just another point from me.. whether a car is has good fuel consumption or not is sometimes not relevant. if you compare RM80k vios and RM50k persona, although persona is more thirstier than the vios, overall persona is still cheaper to maintain as the installment is cheaper due to the cheaper car price. lesson: don’t only buy a car due to it’s FC. olowokandi, yes.. it’s general malaysian thinking. we have to learn to be more open minded like US drivers. MALAYSIAN CARS HAVE HIGHER INTEREST RATES.... redliner said,

August 29, 2008 @ 2:35 pm

just another point from me..

whether a car is has good fuel consumption or not is sometimes not relevant. if you compare RM80k vios and RM50k persona, although persona is more thirstier than the vios, overall persona is still cheaper to maintain as the installment is cheaper due to the cheaper car price.

lesson: don’t only buy a car due to it’s FC.

olowokandi, yes.. it’s general malaysian thinking. we have to learn to be more open minded like US drivers.

MALAYSIAN CARS HAVE HIGHER INTEREST RATES….

]]> By: Altezzar http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178013 Altezzar Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:43:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178013 What korean and conti have in common. ? 1) Both have no resale value. 2) Both are unreliable. 3) Both are not durable. 4) Both are dont have PROVEN technology.Questionable.????? 5) Both have fantastic design to mask their shortfall in the above points. So why bother?????.....Very cheap then ok lah will consider but nearly the same price as Jap then forget it. I am sorry I am very hard on Korean and Conti but they forget the core fundemental characteristic of making a GOOD car which is reliability. What is a point of good handling when the car falls apart or breaks down?. I agree some Jap car also crap but one thing they all are reliable. What korean and conti have in common. ?

1) Both have no resale value.
2) Both are unreliable.
3) Both are not durable.
4) Both are dont have PROVEN technology.Questionable.?????
5) Both have fantastic design to mask their shortfall in the above points.

So why bother?????…..Very cheap then ok lah will consider but nearly the same price as Jap then forget it.
I am sorry I am very hard on Korean and Conti but they forget the core fundemental characteristic of making a GOOD car which is reliability.

What is a point of good handling when the car falls apart or breaks down?.

I agree some Jap car also crap but one thing they all are reliable.

]]> By: Altezzar http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178012 Altezzar Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:31:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178012 nice......... but like conti fan boys like to say "it has no soul". So how??? Again I can only see design as a pull factor just like a conti cars. Durable? Reliablity? Proven technology?,Tak dak..... so pointless..... vios\city may be a cheap but you know what to expect but korean and conti "expect the unexpected". I am sure there are many beg to differ hey prove me wrong with facts. nice……… but like conti fan boys like to say “it has no soul”. So how???
Again I can only see design as a pull factor just like a conti cars. Durable?
Reliablity? Proven technology?,Tak dak….. so pointless….. vios\city may be a cheap but you know what to expect but korean and conti “expect the unexpected”. I am sure there are many beg to differ hey prove me wrong with facts.

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-178004 maibatsu_thunder Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:53:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-178004 What makes you think the push-to-start button won't make it here? It's a standard feature, not an option. Quality - visit a few showrooms and check the gaps, floor carpet 'flatness', etc. and see for yourself. But you're right, Malaysians will keep swallowing Japanese till kingdom come. Call this Mazda/Nissan/Honda Forte and everyone will kiss the tyres for sure. What makes you think the push-to-start button won’t make it here? It’s a standard feature, not an option. Quality – visit a few showrooms and check the gaps, floor carpet ‘flatness’, etc. and see for yourself. But you’re right, Malaysians will keep swallowing Japanese till kingdom come. Call this Mazda/Nissan/Honda Forte and everyone will kiss the tyres for sure.

]]> By: arcana http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177949 arcana Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:55:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177949 lol the push start button will never make it here......probably thats why no one cares. nice korean make......its getting better in many aspects except the brand name in malaysia. few reasons why malaysian buy japs over koreans : better brand = better resale better quality = better lah!! (so called) driving japs = increase in social status, more expensive = richer mah! better spec and tech = ermm....not too sure bout that......(perceived only) lastly, its becoz they f*** their own brand in the early stages with crap cars and expensive maintainence/FC. lol the push start button will never make it here……probably thats why no one cares.
nice korean make……its getting better in many aspects except the brand name in malaysia.

few reasons why malaysian buy japs over koreans :
better brand = better resale
better quality = better lah!! (so called)
driving japs = increase in social status, more expensive = richer mah!
better spec and tech = ermm….not too sure bout that……(perceived only)
lastly, its becoz they f*** their own brand in the early stages with crap cars and expensive maintainence/FC.

]]> By: gajen http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177911 gajen Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:03:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177911 the front is from the us civic...rear and side and rims from lexus IS...the meters and centre dashboard from harrier....in fact 70% of the interior looks like harrier...the vertical air con..the meeters...inner doorhandles...etc i dun think its original...good effort tho the front is from the us civic…rear and side and rims from lexus IS…the meters and centre dashboard from harrier….in fact 70% of the interior looks like harrier…the vertical air con..the meeters…inner doorhandles…etc

i dun think its original…good effort tho

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177894 maibatsu_thunder Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:14:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177894 No one noticed the red PUSH-TO-START button yet? Hehehe. No one noticed the red PUSH-TO-START button yet? Hehehe.

]]> By: JasonMaxx http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177886 JasonMaxx Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:23:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177886 Are those meter cluster from Mazda 3 or RX-8 ? Are those meter cluster from Mazda 3 or RX-8 ?

]]> By: olowokandi http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177878 olowokandi Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:08:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177878 IsaacVky, thanks for the info. Maybe it is just me, but 4 speed auto is consider outdated now, as others are having 5 or 6 speed tiptronic, DSG, CVT and so on. I admire what Proton did with savvy actually, put a side quality issue, if any, but the Quickshift5 does inject some fun factor to the car. IsaacVky,

thanks for the info. Maybe it is just me, but 4 speed auto is consider outdated now, as others are having 5 or 6 speed tiptronic, DSG, CVT and so on. I admire what Proton did with savvy actually, put a side quality issue, if any, but the Quickshift5 does inject some fun factor to the car.

]]> By: redliner http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177873 redliner Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:35:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177873 just another point from me.. whether a car is has good fuel consumption or not is sometimes not relevant. if you compare RM80k vios and RM50k persona, although persona is more thirstier than the vios, overall persona is still cheaper to maintain as the installment is cheaper due to the cheaper car price. lesson: don't only buy a car due to it's FC. olowokandi, yes.. it's general malaysian thinking. we have to learn to be more open minded like US drivers. just another point from me..

whether a car is has good fuel consumption or not is sometimes not relevant. if you compare RM80k vios and RM50k persona, although persona is more thirstier than the vios, overall persona is still cheaper to maintain as the installment is cheaper due to the cheaper car price.

lesson: don’t only buy a car due to it’s FC.

olowokandi, yes.. it’s general malaysian thinking. we have to learn to be more open minded like US drivers.

]]> By: IsaacVky http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177863 IsaacVky Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:40:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177863 olowokandi said, August 29, 2008 @ 11:37 am AT gearbox on Wira 1.6 is well known for its shitty reliability & durability. The 4 speed auto box Proton's using now on Waja Gen 2 etc, Mitsubishi INVECS II is good. olowokandi said,

August 29, 2008 @ 11:37 am

AT gearbox on Wira 1.6 is well known for its shitty reliability & durability.
The 4 speed auto box Proton’s using now on Waja Gen 2 etc, Mitsubishi INVECS II is good.

]]> By: olowokandi http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177858 olowokandi Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:14:11 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177858 redliner, bro, i agree korean car is very much improved, and they can even challenge toyota in terms of quality. What i said is, a lot of ppl choose japanese car because of the impression they have on good quality and fuel consumption. Doesnt mean that they are all correct, but they do think so. maibatsu_thunder, I am aware that they claim new Optima have better fuel consumption than Civic too. But I am saying overall, especially the most popular entry level car. For example, vios/city vs accent/spectra/Optra? As for the re-selling value, this is a market decided thing, not purely based on what the second hand dealer told you. Let say, i want to sell my 3 years old civic i will expect something like 90k+ and there are ppl willing to buy it at that price. But, say i want to sell a 3 years optima, what can i get? My colleague just sold her 3 years old Optima last year, for less than 40K. I have no problem with korean or conti car. I just mentioned what most ppl in malaysia think. I own a spectra last year too. My experience is, the car is heavy and thirsty. redliner,
bro, i agree korean car is very much improved, and they can even challenge toyota in terms of quality. What i said is, a lot of ppl choose japanese car because of the impression they have on good quality and fuel consumption. Doesnt mean that they are all correct, but they do think so.

maibatsu_thunder,
I am aware that they claim new Optima have better fuel consumption than Civic too. But I am saying overall, especially the most popular entry level car. For example, vios/city vs accent/spectra/Optra?
As for the re-selling value, this is a market decided thing, not purely based on what the second hand dealer told you. Let say, i want to sell my 3 years old civic i will expect something like 90k+ and there are ppl willing to buy it at that price. But, say i want to sell a 3 years optima, what can i get? My colleague just sold her 3 years old Optima last year, for less than 40K.

I have no problem with korean or conti car. I just mentioned what most ppl in malaysia think. I own a spectra last year too. My experience is, the car is heavy and thirsty.

]]> By: olowokandi http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177855 olowokandi Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:37:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177855 IsaacVky said, yes bro you’re paying 80k+ for a 4 speed SUPER ECT on a vioooos too! Yup...that's why i am not a Vios owner ;) But, this SUPER ECT gear box is for sure better than proton basic 4 speed gear box. I changed my gear box 3 times in 2 years for my previous wira 1.6 auto...Need more evident? IsaacVky said,
yes bro you’re paying 80k+ for a 4 speed SUPER ECT on a vioooos too!

Yup…that’s why i am not a Vios owner ;)
But, this SUPER ECT gear box is for sure better than proton basic 4 speed gear box. I changed my gear box 3 times in 2 years for my previous wira 1.6 auto…Need more evident?

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177808 maibatsu_thunder Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:33:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177808 Japanese cars have better fuel consumption!? BS lah the new Kia Optima has better FC than the Civic 1.8L even!! Also, for this so-called resale value thing it's all BS too!! The used car guys tell you your Korean car is worth less than a Japanese car and you just nod and say yes? Sounds like prejudice to me. Japanese cars have better fuel consumption!? BS lah the new Kia Optima has better FC than the Civic 1.8L even!! Also, for this so-called resale value thing it’s all BS too!! The used car guys tell you your Korean car is worth less than a Japanese car and you just nod and say yes? Sounds like prejudice to me.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177756 ALPINA BMW Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:40:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177756 the interior is crap but its a lot better than proton's the interior is crap but its a lot better than proton’s

]]> By: ReactiX http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177750 ReactiX Thu, 28 Aug 2008 05:23:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177750 Copycat. Front Civic, rear audi/lancer. Overall design lancer wannabe. Interior looks good, but no temperature gauge?? wtf!!! Engine at 120+hp?? sounds good. Hate the experience with my friend spectra auto climbing Genting. Merangkak, enjin macam nak rabak!!! Copycat. Front Civic, rear audi/lancer. Overall design lancer wannabe. Interior looks good, but no temperature gauge?? wtf!!! Engine at 120+hp?? sounds good. Hate the experience with my friend spectra auto climbing Genting. Merangkak, enjin macam nak rabak!!!

]]> By: IsaacVky http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177746 IsaacVky Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:35:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177746 olowokandi said, August 28, 2008 @ 9:52 am yes bro you're paying 80k+ for a 4 speed SUPER ECT on a vioooos too! olowokandi said,

August 28, 2008 @ 9:52 am

yes bro you’re paying 80k+ for a 4 speed SUPER ECT on a vioooos too!

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177731 maibatsu_thunder Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:00:05 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177731 Maybe after seeing this Honda Malaysia's guys are working on muscling up the upcoming Midget-Accord City in response. May have to add Mugen parts and all that IMHO. Hahahaha! Maybe after seeing this Honda Malaysia’s guys are working on muscling up the upcoming Midget-Accord City in response. May have to add Mugen parts and all that IMHO. Hahahaha!

]]> By: Roti Naan http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177730 Roti Naan Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:53:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177730 olowokandi said, August 28, 2008 @ 9:52 am Proton need to improve their car design and built quality before they can seriously compete with other major manufacturer…Last time, their design focus too much on the look of the car, but failed to deliver practicability at the same time. Now, they improve the practicability, but overall design is still outdated compare with others. ----------------------------------------------------------------- i'm sure proton is VERY MUCH AWARE of the problem since long time ago...but olowokandi said,

August 28, 2008 @ 9:52 am

Proton need to improve their car design and built quality before they can seriously compete with other major manufacturer…Last time, their design focus too much on the look of the car, but failed to deliver practicability at the same time. Now, they improve the practicability, but overall design is still outdated compare with others.
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i’m sure proton is VERY MUCH AWARE of the problem since long time ago…but

]]> By: redliner http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177728 redliner Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:27:10 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177728 olowokandi, malaysians do not mind to pay premium price for the 'perceived quality' of honda & toyota (for those who have money). but in US, korean cars are ranked at top 10. some even better than the toyota, nissan, mitsubitshi & suzuki (refer to the following link) http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Small-Cars/ this shows that japanese cars are no longer superior in the world market. it is time for malaysians to learn to accept this fact. sorry guys, i'm just trying to make a fair assessment here. don't mean to offend anyone. Cheers! olowokandi,

malaysians do not mind to pay premium price for the ‘perceived quality’ of honda & toyota (for those who have money). but in US, korean cars are ranked at top 10. some even better than the toyota, nissan, mitsubitshi & suzuki (refer to the following link)

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Affordable-Small-Cars/

this shows that japanese cars are no longer superior in the world market. it is time for malaysians to learn to accept this fact.

sorry guys, i’m just trying to make a fair assessment here. don’t mean to offend anyone. Cheers!

]]> By: olowokandi http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177723 olowokandi Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:52:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177723 Proton need to improve their car design and built quality before they can seriously compete with other major manufacturer...Last time, their design focus too much on the look of the car, but failed to deliver practicability at the same time. Now, they improve the practicability, but overall design is still outdated compare with others. CPS engine is ok, but I think proton need a new gear box to impress the potential owner, particularly the auto gear box...dun give us the basic 4 speed gear box that has been around since, what, 20 years ago?? Proton need to improve their car design and built quality before they can seriously compete with other major manufacturer…Last time, their design focus too much on the look of the car, but failed to deliver practicability at the same time. Now, they improve the practicability, but overall design is still outdated compare with others.
CPS engine is ok, but I think proton need a new gear box to impress the potential owner, particularly the auto gear box…dun give us the basic 4 speed gear box that has been around since, what, 20 years ago??

]]> By: olowokandi http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177721 olowokandi Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:39:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177721 redliner, I agree with what u said, but another main reason for people to choose Toyota or Honda over Korean or Conti car is because of the fuel consumption. Korean and Conti car are normally much heavier, end up u have to pay extra petrol. Also, Toyota and Honda have gave us good impression on the built quality over the years...I bet u have heard a lot of ppl saying that toyota have good chassis, no kacau blah blah blah... redliner, I agree with what u said, but another main reason for people to choose Toyota or Honda over Korean or Conti car is because of the fuel consumption. Korean and Conti car are normally much heavier, end up u have to pay extra petrol. Also, Toyota and Honda have gave us good impression on the built quality over the years…I bet u have heard a lot of ppl saying that toyota have good chassis, no kacau blah blah blah…

]]> By: redliner http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177718 redliner Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:55:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177718 people always prefer toyota & honda due to its resale value. well, put it this way.. if you choose toyota & honda which is RM20-30k more expensive then the equivalent korean cars, you have actually paid additional sum of RM20-30k for the resale value. and this additional cost is built-in into the HP loan. ends up, you are paying extra RM400-500 a mth. make sense? i rather buy a car cheaper by RM20k, saves depost, installment and prepare to loose a bit when the car is re-sold. just my humble opinion. but anyway, i think some people are also brand councious.. people always prefer toyota & honda due to its resale value. well, put it this way.. if you choose toyota & honda which is RM20-30k more expensive then the equivalent korean cars, you have actually paid additional sum of RM20-30k for the resale value. and this additional cost is built-in into the HP loan. ends up, you are paying extra RM400-500 a mth. make sense?

i rather buy a car cheaper by RM20k, saves depost, installment and prepare to loose a bit when the car is re-sold.

just my humble opinion. but anyway, i think some people are also brand councious..

]]> By: raptorclans http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177711 raptorclans Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:54:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177711 maibatsu_thunder: nice research there... he sure has quite a portfolio... no wonder this car looks sweet :D maibatsu_thunder: nice research there… he sure has quite a portfolio… no wonder this car looks sweet :D

]]> By: informalaysia http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177709 informalaysia Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:50:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177709 Paul, got any idea when this model will come to our shores? hopefully it'll get here by july '09 cos i'm getting a car around that time... Paul,

got any idea when this model will come to our shores? hopefully it’ll get here by july ‘09 cos i’m getting a car around that time…

]]> By: azrai http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177705 azrai Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:12:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177705 Naza please debadged and CKDed it here at your Gurun plant. We don't need the current 5door Spectra hatchback. Naza please debadged and CKDed it here at your Gurun plant. We don’t need the current 5door Spectra hatchback.

]]> By: csv http://paultan.org/2008/08/27/kia-forte-more-photos-of-korean-domestic-model/#comment-177696 csv Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:40:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7681#comment-177696 nice, even comes with sunroof. hope it comes here. probably sell well. nice, even comes with sunroof. hope it comes here. probably sell well.

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