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	<title>Comments on: New Honda Motion Adaptive Electric Power Steering</title>
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		<title>By: mystvearn</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178879</link>
		<dc:creator>mystvearn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New accord will have this feature? 5 years is quite a healthy time for this to come down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New accord will have this feature? 5 years is quite a healthy time for this to come down.</p>
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		<title>By: bobdbilder</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178838</link>
		<dc:creator>bobdbilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 09:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TLAs (Three letter Acronyms) mean they make sinful amounts of money for the makers.  Why do you need to control oversteer on a Front Wheel Drive car that comes out of Honda?  If you understeer, gently lift off the gas. Unless its a horid car that does have liftoff oversteer.  Or are they implying that they do make wobbly cars and they need these TLAs to compensate for sound suspension engineering?

Dudes if you want safety and convenience, get out of that Camry and get on a bus!  You shouldn&#039;t be driving coz you are a hazard to the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TLAs (Three letter Acronyms) mean they make sinful amounts of money for the makers.  Why do you need to control oversteer on a Front Wheel Drive car that comes out of Honda?  If you understeer, gently lift off the gas. Unless its a horid car that does have liftoff oversteer.  Or are they implying that they do make wobbly cars and they need these TLAs to compensate for sound suspension engineering?</p>
<p>Dudes if you want safety and convenience, get out of that Camry and get on a bus!  You shouldn&#8217;t be driving coz you are a hazard to the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: alihms</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178653</link>
		<dc:creator>alihms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMW, if I infer you correctly, you are saying – car should not be equipped with these driving aids.   They only encourage irresponsible driving behaviour. But, isn’t that sort of ‘penalizing the many for the sake of a few’?  The ‘few’ here is not driving enthusiasts like most forummers here.  The few I mean is those irresponsible drivers.Because of the few, the many (responsible drivers) are denied of the new technologies.  I’d say that is unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMW, if I infer you correctly, you are saying – car should not be equipped with these driving aids.   They only encourage irresponsible driving behaviour. But, isn’t that sort of ‘penalizing the many for the sake of a few’?  The ‘few’ here is not driving enthusiasts like most forummers here.  The few I mean is those irresponsible drivers.Because of the few, the many (responsible drivers) are denied of the new technologies.  I’d say that is unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178647</link>
		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>while i understand the point that some made on behalf of the &quot;silent majority&quot;,
its just this. Make things safe, and drivers will take more risk. Its just human nature. It ends up equaling itself out.

Everyone will be safer drivers out there if there was a hugh spike coming out from the steering columm instead of an airbag.

I have heard this before, when questioning why a colleague drives like a maniac (she obviously has not got the skill to handle the car the way she drives), &quot;oh the car is safe, it have airbags&quot;...begs the question &quot;WTF&quot; don&#039;t it?

I take (or more like drag) my wife to the track and teach her how to handle the car on its limits, and put her through what amounts to a comprehensive defensive driving course. Makes her a better driver now that she know just how little control you have once over the limit. 

Education and training is the key, not driving aids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while i understand the point that some made on behalf of the &#8220;silent majority&#8221;,<br />
its just this. Make things safe, and drivers will take more risk. Its just human nature. It ends up equaling itself out.</p>
<p>Everyone will be safer drivers out there if there was a hugh spike coming out from the steering columm instead of an airbag.</p>
<p>I have heard this before, when questioning why a colleague drives like a maniac (she obviously has not got the skill to handle the car the way she drives), &#8220;oh the car is safe, it have airbags&#8221;&#8230;begs the question &#8220;WTF&#8221; don&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I take (or more like drag) my wife to the track and teach her how to handle the car on its limits, and put her through what amounts to a comprehensive defensive driving course. Makes her a better driver now that she know just how little control you have once over the limit. </p>
<p>Education and training is the key, not driving aids.</p>
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		<title>By: protonLOVE</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178610</link>
		<dc:creator>protonLOVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW!!!!!!! jus imagine if the system goes faulty.........arrghhhh.....can&#039;t imagine wat the stering wheel will do by itself....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW!!!!!!! jus imagine if the system goes faulty&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;arrghhhh&#8230;..can&#8217;t imagine wat the stering wheel will do by itself&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: csv</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178606</link>
		<dc:creator>csv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, another driving aid, which takes abit of the fun out of driving.

not to mention you can&#039;t do powerslides without the steering wheel correcting you.

sigh, what happened to pure driving sensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, another driving aid, which takes abit of the fun out of driving.</p>
<p>not to mention you can&#8217;t do powerslides without the steering wheel correcting you.</p>
<p>sigh, what happened to pure driving sensation.</p>
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		<title>By: BanyakMasukWorkshop</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178582</link>
		<dc:creator>BanyakMasukWorkshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alihms, i&#039;m a driving enthusiasts 1st, car enthusiast 2nd.  but i totally agree with you.  as i mentioned in my post, driver aids, etc.  are great where safety is concerned, and how it can help a regular driver when the situation arises.

but i know too many people who drive at crazy speeds in poor weather conditions, because they believe nothing will happen to them coz of all the fancy-shmancy driver aids they have in their cars, plus ncap 5 star ratings, and multiple air-bags..   that to me, is the wrong reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alihms, i&#8217;m a driving enthusiasts 1st, car enthusiast 2nd.  but i totally agree with you.  as i mentioned in my post, driver aids, etc.  are great where safety is concerned, and how it can help a regular driver when the situation arises.</p>
<p>but i know too many people who drive at crazy speeds in poor weather conditions, because they believe nothing will happen to them coz of all the fancy-shmancy driver aids they have in their cars, plus ncap 5 star ratings, and multiple air-bags..   that to me, is the wrong reason.</p>
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		<title>By: ALPINA BMW</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178578</link>
		<dc:creator>ALPINA BMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with all these technologies, the future ppl can no longer drive proper</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with all these technologies, the future ppl can no longer drive proper</p>
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		<title>By: alihms</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178567</link>
		<dc:creator>alihms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sense a phenomenon called &quot;silent majority vs vocal minority&quot; here.   Granted, most of you, by the virtue of being in this forum are car enthusiasts.  You have better driving skills, love to feel the finer input from your cars, can access the potentially dangerous situation better bla bla bla.  But..you are the vocal minority if compared to the overall car owners in M&#039;sia.

The great silent majority out there would think differently.  I bet they&#039;ll love to have this Park Assist, ABS,  VSA, EBD  and all those acronyms in their cars. Safety &amp; convenience matter more to them than driving enjoyment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sense a phenomenon called &#8220;silent majority vs vocal minority&#8221; here.   Granted, most of you, by the virtue of being in this forum are car enthusiasts.  You have better driving skills, love to feel the finer input from your cars, can access the potentially dangerous situation better bla bla bla.  But..you are the vocal minority if compared to the overall car owners in M&#8217;sia.</p>
<p>The great silent majority out there would think differently.  I bet they&#8217;ll love to have this Park Assist, ABS,  VSA, EBD  and all those acronyms in their cars. Safety &amp; convenience matter more to them than driving enjoyment.</p>
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		<title>By: MaverickNeo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178565</link>
		<dc:creator>MaverickNeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until they come up with a driving &quot;aid&quot; that actually acts like a driver and frees me from touching the steering wheel, all other driving aids are kinda redundant and not so useful. Come to think of it, I might as well hire a driver...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until they come up with a driving &#8220;aid&#8221; that actually acts like a driver and frees me from touching the steering wheel, all other driving aids are kinda redundant and not so useful. Come to think of it, I might as well hire a driver&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: thuzz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178560</link>
		<dc:creator>thuzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if u are confidence in yourself, then of cos this is waste of money. But do u have confidence, let says, in your wife, or son, or daughter when one of them driving alone down hill on genting on a rainy day? sometime things are there for &quot;just in case&quot; cases, if u dont believe in those cases, then insurrance companies should just close shop, and we save hell lots of money.
just my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if u are confidence in yourself, then of cos this is waste of money. But do u have confidence, let says, in your wife, or son, or daughter when one of them driving alone down hill on genting on a rainy day? sometime things are there for &#8220;just in case&#8221; cases, if u dont believe in those cases, then insurrance companies should just close shop, and we save hell lots of money.<br />
just my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: 4G63T DSM</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178556</link>
		<dc:creator>4G63T DSM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Littlefire85,

Its called a &quot;Driving Aid&quot;. 
ie...like hearing aid.
It helps drivers which lacks skill.

If your car slides around going downhill from genting during rainstorms only mean one thing, you were not a good judge of the driving conditions and vehicle/tyre capability.

A little rain and you need VSA? Try driving a high powered RWD car on ice and snow. For the record (and risk getting labled as a luddite) I hate driving aids, for what its worth i feel all these aids are intrusive and unpredictable. I have sampled BMWs active steering and traction control on a slalom course and don&#039;t like it. Its horrible. 

VSA jsut helps already bad drivers from getting into a mess, it doens&#039;t make them better drivers, if anything, makes them worst...as the safety net just does nothing but gives them a false sense of security and encourages them to exceed the limit even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Littlefire85,</p>
<p>Its called a &#8220;Driving Aid&#8221;.<br />
ie&#8230;like hearing aid.<br />
It helps drivers which lacks skill.</p>
<p>If your car slides around going downhill from genting during rainstorms only mean one thing, you were not a good judge of the driving conditions and vehicle/tyre capability.</p>
<p>A little rain and you need VSA? Try driving a high powered RWD car on ice and snow. For the record (and risk getting labled as a luddite) I hate driving aids, for what its worth i feel all these aids are intrusive and unpredictable. I have sampled BMWs active steering and traction control on a slalom course and don&#8217;t like it. Its horrible. </p>
<p>VSA jsut helps already bad drivers from getting into a mess, it doens&#8217;t make them better drivers, if anything, makes them worst&#8230;as the safety net just does nothing but gives them a false sense of security and encourages them to exceed the limit even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Roti Naan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178546</link>
		<dc:creator>Roti Naan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>driver&#039;s butt is the best &quot;Stability Assist system&quot; there is.  Everyone has it. it&#039;s simple and free, but somehow some ppl still may prefer electronics as they may sound nice and special to have in their car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>driver&#8217;s butt is the best &#8220;Stability Assist system&#8221; there is.  Everyone has it. it&#8217;s simple and free, but somehow some ppl still may prefer electronics as they may sound nice and special to have in their car.</p>
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		<title>By: LittleFire85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178538</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleFire85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genting roads are slipery during rainy days. Especially when you are going down the hill. 

Have you drive your car down there when raining? Even you are slow your car will slip when going corners! 

I have seen VSA activated in an Honda Civic and i know how it works. It really save your car from going sideways from left to right. Not only help your car to stabilize and also let you have more control of the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genting roads are slipery during rainy days. Especially when you are going down the hill. </p>
<p>Have you drive your car down there when raining? Even you are slow your car will slip when going corners! </p>
<p>I have seen VSA activated in an Honda Civic and i know how it works. It really save your car from going sideways from left to right. Not only help your car to stabilize and also let you have more control of the car.</p>
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		<title>By: ALPINA BMW</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178536</link>
		<dc:creator>ALPINA BMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isnt this a system from bmw called active steering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isnt this a system from bmw called active steering?</p>
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		<title>By: BanyakMasukWorkshop</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178526</link>
		<dc:creator>BanyakMasukWorkshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i totally agree with you abtm.

but if all these driver aids are used by drivers to avoid accidents, yes, i&#039;m all for it.  as a safety device, it gets my thumbs up. 

if you need something like VSA to save you coz you&#039;re going too fast in the rain while driving on genting roads, i&#039;ll say thats the wrong reason.   If you get into trouble coz you did something stupid, and have to depend on an electronic aid to save you, you&#039;re probably not a really good driver to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree with you abtm.</p>
<p>but if all these driver aids are used by drivers to avoid accidents, yes, i&#8217;m all for it.  as a safety device, it gets my thumbs up. </p>
<p>if you need something like VSA to save you coz you&#8217;re going too fast in the rain while driving on genting roads, i&#8217;ll say thats the wrong reason.   If you get into trouble coz you did something stupid, and have to depend on an electronic aid to save you, you&#8217;re probably not a really good driver to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: tanasi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178518</link>
		<dc:creator>tanasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more electric wizardry that takes the skill and fear out of driving</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more electric wizardry that takes the skill and fear out of driving</p>
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		<title>By: LittleFire85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178513</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleFire85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, our country does have rain... Have you drive your car during heavy rain? If you went up Genting on rainy day then you will know VSA importance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, our country does have rain&#8230; Have you drive your car during heavy rain? If you went up Genting on rainy day then you will know VSA importance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: abtm</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/09/05/new-honda-motion-adaptive-electric-power-steering/#comment-178512</link>
		<dc:creator>abtm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whatever happen to the essence of driving? Engineers in car companies should concentrate on making a car lighter and more efficient, not working on control systems for making idiots drive like heroes...it might work in snowy countries, but in Malaysia where the weather is hot and the cars are weak, we&#039;re paying for things we don&#039;t need</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whatever happen to the essence of driving? Engineers in car companies should concentrate on making a car lighter and more efficient, not working on control systems for making idiots drive like heroes&#8230;it might work in snowy countries, but in Malaysia where the weather is hot and the cars are weak, we&#8217;re paying for things we don&#8217;t need</p>
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		<title>By: nmh</title>
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		<dc:creator>nmh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meaning that the car steer itself to the right path or angle in unfortunate event, am i right so far....if so, this system could be possibly enhanced so that the can drive by itself using gps etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meaning that the car steer itself to the right path or angle in unfortunate event, am i right so far&#8230;.if so, this system could be possibly enhanced so that the can drive by itself using gps etc</p>
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