Comments on: New shots of Toyota Avensis sedan and touring http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:25:19 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: gods twin http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179998 gods twin Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:39:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179998 PLEASE dont campare, the UK market to our malaysian market, the likings are totally diferent and also the car policies and so are the offerings .Yes , maybe to a certain extend thier design are bland, but hey they sell like hot cakes. Its a proven fact that they are the most reliable cars in the industry and 2 months ago, toyota was awarded the most satisfactory car in overall standings by a leading brand assesment company worldwide , honda is no 2. seriously ,there is no point comparing 2 diff brands which are not in the same pool. both company do wat they are best at , satisfying thier audiences, not thier competitors ,nor critics who thinks that driving a reliable car is a selfish man. Maybe we need to redefine the meaning of sellfish.....? Thinking wise.... PLEASE dont campare, the UK market to our malaysian market, the likings are totally diferent and also the car policies and so are the offerings .Yes , maybe to a certain extend thier design are bland, but hey they sell like hot cakes. Its a proven fact that they are the most reliable cars in the industry and 2 months ago, toyota was awarded the most satisfactory car in overall standings by a leading brand assesment company worldwide , honda is no 2. seriously ,there is no point comparing 2 diff brands which are not in the same pool. both company do wat they are best at , satisfying thier audiences, not thier competitors ,nor critics who thinks that driving a reliable car is a selfish man.

Maybe we need to redefine the meaning of sellfish…..?
Thinking wise….

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179991 szw Wed, 17 Sep 2008 06:26:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179991 sad to say its a toyota, its a proper "chinese" businessman car. not raising a racial issue here coz im a chinese also. its just that theres only 2 type of car that chinese business man will buy, a toyota and a mercedes. which... 2 very very very boring car company... sad to say its a toyota, its a proper “chinese” businessman car.
not raising a racial issue here coz im a chinese also.
its just that theres only 2 type of car that chinese business man will buy, a toyota and a mercedes.
which…
2 very very very boring car company…

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179975 ALPINA BMW Wed, 17 Sep 2008 01:02:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179975 toyota makes cars for selfish 35 year old men who do not love driving and works as a underpaid worker in some big company and has 3 kids and a crazy wife. toyota makes cars for selfish 35 year old men who do not love driving and works as a underpaid worker in some big company and has 3 kids and a crazy wife.

]]> By: szw http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179951 szw Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:14:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179951 honda is not the car for boy races ok... in uk , the average age of people buying a honda is much older den u i bet honda is not the car for boy races ok…
in uk , the average age of people buying a honda is much older den u i bet

]]> By: gods twin http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179811 gods twin Mon, 15 Sep 2008 07:44:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179811 toyota should just rebadge its mark x as camry and make available here as showroom models instead of AP's. This will teach those outthere who think that they make boring designs nad the accord as the graetest car out there. toyota makes cars for the masses, honda makes car for boy racers toyota should just rebadge its mark x as camry and make available here as showroom models instead of AP’s. This will teach those outthere who think that they make boring designs nad the accord as the graetest car out there.

toyota makes cars for the masses, honda makes car for boy racers

]]> By: ignas http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179749 ignas Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:37:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179749 no matter how i look at it, it just resemblances so much of my red eared sliders turtle. looks like a desperate move in design to compete with accord. why bother with the deformed muscular shape since the sales is so great. no matter how i look at it, it just resemblances so much of my red eared sliders turtle. looks like a desperate move in design to compete with accord. why bother with the deformed muscular shape since the sales is so great.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179664 ALPINA BMW Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:18:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179664 ALPINA BMW said, September 11, 2008 @ 7:53 pm i don’t think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished ============================================ Really ….can you tell me what is the spec?….to be considered stone age… This car is not out yet so how do you know? by just looking at the car, and the brilliant competitors available in europe(eg. ford mondeo, citroen c4, honda euro accord, mazda 6, volks passat, passat cc, opel insignia...this car is in for a hard time, their only blessing is that nissan hasn't come out with a new primera yet) ALPINA BMW said,
September 11, 2008 @ 7:53 pm

i don’t think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished

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Really ….can you tell me what is the spec?….to be considered stone age…
This car is not out yet so how do you know?

by just looking at the car, and the brilliant competitors available in europe(eg. ford mondeo, citroen c4, honda euro accord, mazda 6, volks passat, passat cc, opel insignia…this car is in for a hard time, their only blessing is that nissan hasn’t come out with a new primera yet)

]]> By: Altezzar http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179633 Altezzar Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:06:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179633 ALPINA BMW said, September 11, 2008 @ 7:53 pm i don’t think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished ============================================ Really ....can you tell me what is the spec?....to be considered stone age... This car is not out yet so how do you know?. ALPINA BMW said,
September 11, 2008 @ 7:53 pm

i don’t think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished

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Really ….can you tell me what is the spec?….to be considered stone age…
This car is not out yet so how do you know?.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179571 ALPINA BMW Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:53:22 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179571 i don't think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished i don’t think anobody in uk would be stupid enough to buy this car, its ugly, the engine is from the stone age, heavy slow, badly finished

]]> By: torque http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179556 torque Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:29:53 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179556 Well...as I see it, there's nothing wrong with the car's back looks. It's rather nice I must say but hmmmm....I'm not that fond with the front design. A bit awkward to me. As for the interior, I think Toyota can come out better layout than this. If this car actually the same segment as the Mazda 6...I'll choose Mazda 6 looks over this anyday. Well…as I see it, there’s nothing wrong with the car’s back looks. It’s rather nice I must say but hmmmm….I’m not that fond with the front design. A bit awkward to me. As for the interior, I think Toyota can come out better layout than this. If this car actually the same segment as the Mazda 6…I’ll choose Mazda 6 looks over this anyday.

]]> By: Altezzar http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179473 Altezzar Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:30:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179473 BanyakMasukWorkshop said, September 11, 2008 @ 9:48 am pju_3 said, September 10, 2008 @ 6:36 pm Toyota is a boring yet best selling car… —————————————————- unfortunately for toyota, they’re not exactly the best selling car in europe.. far from that in fact. and strangely enough, euro-designed jap cars are not sold here coz market studies have shown that people dont really want them. which is also why we dont get euro-civic, or euro-accord. --------------------------------------------------------------- facts please..... can you share the market study?...... I am very amused with your findings. BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
September 11, 2008 @ 9:48 am

pju_3 said,

September 10, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

Toyota is a boring yet best selling car…

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unfortunately for toyota, they’re not exactly the best selling car in europe.. far from that in fact.

and strangely enough, euro-designed jap cars are not sold here coz market studies have shown that people dont really want them. which is also why we dont get euro-civic, or euro-accord.

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facts please….. can you share the market study?……
I am very amused with your findings.

]]> By: Altezzar http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179459 Altezzar Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:57:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179459 Whether this car will sell depends on the reputation it has built in the U.K so far. As far as I know this car is well regarded and I think it will pull in the sales figure. Its natural selling point is reliability and the design is a extra bonus. People dont buy toyota for their styling....so consider this a bonus. Can you say the same thing about its competitors.????. Think about it. J.D Power survey conducted by What car in U.K last year. The old Avensis scored 3rd in it class and 8 overall. Looks like the old model fared very well with the British public. So the latest model should be able to carry on. Kaisen......continious improvement...is the way of the future. ============================================ JD Power Survey 2007 - Family cars 11 May 2007 Family car league table 3rd Toyota Avensis Rating 83.9% Overall ranking 8th= Excellent service from dealers and low running costs were what secured the Avensis third place in its class. On top of that, owners had no complaints about the way the car drove, and said it was practical and comfortable, as well as having a fine stereo. The transmission proved especially reliable and the build quality was good, too, with the interior causing very few problems. If there was a surprise, it was that the Avensis rated as no better than average for mechanical problems, with the suspension being the weak point. 8th Volkswagen Passat Rating 79.9% Overall ranking 47th= The Passat is often portrayed as something special, but its results here are firmly average. On the plus side, it means that its owners are basically happy. In fact, they liked the good fuel consumption and were impressed with its mechanical reliability, reporting a below-average number of problems from the suspension. On the other hand, there were some major misgivings, not least of which was that the Passat produced more complaints than any other car in the class about its exterior fittings. Owners also weren't overly taken with the car's styling, inside and out, or how it drove. 11th Ford Mondeo Rating 79.0% Overall ranking 58th= Broadly speaking, the only complaints about the Mondeo were how it looked - just the Vectra and Primera scored lower in this respect - and, perhaps more surprisingly, its ride and handling. Otherwise, owners reported themselves happy with the car, rating it as no worse than average in six of the eight categories. Inside, good scores for the car's practicality and ventilation were offset by below-par ratings for the seats and dash layout, while the build and reliability were good in every respect except one: a high number of engine problems. 13th Citroen C5 Rating 77.7% Overall ranking 82nd= Owners weren't happy with the way their C5s looked, or how much they cost to run, but the car's real problem was a shortage of quality. The C5 had the most complaints about its dashboard controls, and there was an above-average number of complaints about the stereo, ventilation system and exterior fittings. On the other hand, mechanically it was no worse than average, and owners enjoyed the ride and handling, as well as the spacious interior. They had no major complaints about the dealers, either. Whether this car will sell depends on the reputation it has built in the U.K so far. As far as I know this car is well regarded and I think it will pull in the sales figure. Its natural selling point is reliability and the design is a extra bonus. People dont buy toyota for their styling….so consider this a bonus.
Can you say the same thing about its competitors.????. Think about it.
J.D Power survey conducted by What car in U.K last year. The old Avensis scored 3rd in it class and 8 overall. Looks like the old model fared very well with the British public. So the latest model should be able to carry on.

Kaisen……continious improvement…is the way of the future.

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JD Power Survey 2007 – Family cars
11 May 2007

Family car league table

3rd Toyota Avensis
Rating 83.9%
Overall ranking 8th=
Excellent service from dealers and low running costs were what secured the Avensis third place in its class. On top of that, owners had no complaints about the way the car drove, and said it was practical and comfortable, as well as having a fine stereo.

The transmission proved especially reliable and the build quality was good, too, with the interior causing very few problems. If there was a surprise, it was that the Avensis rated as no better than average for mechanical problems, with the suspension being the weak point.

8th Volkswagen Passat
Rating 79.9%
Overall ranking 47th=
The Passat is often portrayed as something special, but its results here are firmly average. On the plus side, it means that its owners are basically happy. In fact, they liked
the good fuel consumption and were impressed with its mechanical reliability, reporting a below-average number of problems from the suspension.

On the other hand, there were some major misgivings, not least of which was that the Passat produced more complaints than any other car in the class about its exterior fittings. Owners also weren’t overly taken with the car’s styling, inside and out, or how it drove.

11th Ford Mondeo
Rating 79.0%
Overall ranking 58th=
Broadly speaking, the only complaints about the Mondeo were how it looked – just the Vectra and Primera scored lower in this respect – and, perhaps more surprisingly, its ride and handling.

Otherwise, owners reported themselves happy with the car, rating it as no worse than average in six of the eight categories.

Inside, good scores for the car’s practicality and ventilation were offset by below-par ratings for the seats and dash layout, while the build and reliability were good in every respect except one: a high number of engine problems.

13th Citroen C5
Rating 77.7%
Overall ranking 82nd=
Owners weren’t happy with the way their C5s looked, or how much they cost to run, but the car’s real problem was a shortage of quality. The C5 had the most complaints about its dashboard controls, and there was an above-average number of complaints about the stereo, ventilation system and exterior fittings.

On the other hand, mechanically it was no worse than average, and owners enjoyed the ride and handling, as well as the spacious interior. They had no major complaints about the dealers, either.

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179456 BanyakMasukWorkshop Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:48:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179456 pju_3 said, September 10, 2008 @ 6:36 pm Toyota is a boring yet best selling car… :) ---------------------------------------------------- unfortunately for toyota, they're not exactly the best selling car in europe.. far from that in fact. and strangely enough, euro-designed jap cars are not sold here coz market studies have shown that people dont really want them. which is also why we dont get euro-civic, or euro-accord. pju_3 said,

September 10, 2008 @ 6:36 pm

Toyota is a boring yet best selling car… :)

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unfortunately for toyota, they’re not exactly the best selling car in europe.. far from that in fact.

and strangely enough, euro-designed jap cars are not sold here coz market studies have shown that people dont really want them. which is also why we dont get euro-civic, or euro-accord.

]]> By: sky http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179314 sky Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:08:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179314 the front bonet cover copy our Savvy. the front bonet cover copy our Savvy.

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179295 mystvearn Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:50:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179295 You can see quite a number of the Avensis around here (UK) even though it is ugly. The new model does not disapoints in its uglyness You can see quite a number of the Avensis around here (UK) even though it is ugly. The new model does not disapoints in its uglyness

]]> By: pju_3 http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179290 pju_3 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:36:32 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179290 Toyota is a boring yet best selling car... :) Toyota is a boring yet best selling car… :)

]]> By: mitlanevo http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179274 mitlanevo Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:11:03 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179274 not bad, looks better than Camry and Altis, but the interior is boring-Toy-style as usual.... not bad, looks better than Camry and Altis, but the interior is boring-Toy-style as usual….

]]> By: hyundai http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179259 hyundai Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:00:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179259 This is a car that can never compete with Mondeo, Passat, C5 and Insignia. It looks so dull yet ugly with unclish looks. I doubt this car will be a big seller... This is a car that can never compete with Mondeo, Passat, C5 and Insignia. It looks so dull yet ugly with unclish looks. I doubt this car will be a big seller…

]]> By: juanbeibei http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179236 juanbeibei Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:15:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179236 omg!! this is nice!! i love da side profile as well as da rear.. da curves r great!! absolutely nice car.. =) 5 stars from me! omg!! this is nice!! i love da side profile as well as da rear.. da curves r great!! absolutely nice car.. =) 5 stars from me!

]]> By: kei9 http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179235 kei9 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:13:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179235 Ermm.. Humongous 'eyes' Which looks pretty ugly and totally ruins the silhouette of the whole front. Back design is nice though. Ermm..
Humongous ‘eyes’
Which looks pretty ugly and totally ruins the silhouette of the whole front.
Back design is nice though.

]]> By: l3ryan http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179219 l3ryan Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:54:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179219 hideous front!! the deformed grill and those oversized back sweeping lights look so ugly!!! and the back reminds me of the A8 from a few generations ago. toyota's design are getting worse and worse everytime there's a new product out, sigh hideous front!! the deformed grill and those oversized back sweeping lights look so ugly!!!
and the back reminds me of the A8 from a few generations ago.

toyota’s design are getting worse and worse everytime there’s a new product out, sigh

]]> By: ReactiX http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179217 ReactiX Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:36:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179217 Toyota malaysia simply bring this one under Camry name, eventho there already new camry model out there. Camry 2009 perhaps. Just like Aurion was. Toyota malaysia simply bring this one under Camry name, eventho there already new camry model out there. Camry 2009 perhaps. Just like Aurion was.

]]> By: MyviKiller http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179214 MyviKiller Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:31:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179214 The dash looks dated, as if it's from a 90's car. The dash looks dated, as if it’s from a 90’s car.

]]> By: lanminardi http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179211 lanminardi Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:44:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179211 much much better looking then the current Camry and Altis !!! Love the rear !! front abit awkward !! but overall lovely ..interior looks decent ...and classy much much better looking then the current Camry and Altis !!! Love the rear !! front abit awkward !! but overall lovely ..interior looks decent …and classy

]]> By: Bob_B78 http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179210 Bob_B78 Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:43:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179210 Yes im refering to the curve on the medial aspect of the headlight when compared to new saga( just a little) The headlamp look a little bulbous as like current camry. I believe toyota should design something more aggressive like what honda did to their latest Accord. Yes im refering to the curve on the medial aspect of the headlight when compared to new saga( just a little)
The headlamp look a little bulbous as like current camry. I believe toyota should design something more aggressive like what honda did to their latest Accord.

]]> By: White Jack http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179209 White Jack Wed, 10 Sep 2008 03:22:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179209 This sparks a question why Toyota Msia don't consider bringing in this model ? Every year same thing VIOS, Altis, Camry. This sparks a question why Toyota Msia don’t consider bringing in this model ? Every year same thing VIOS, Altis, Camry.

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179203 4G63T DSM Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:52:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179203 jolly_idiot said, September 10, 2008 @ 9:35 am Izzit the class to compete with Camry? I see it’s bigger than our Altis. ------------ The old Avensis sits between the Altis and the Camry size wise, and its likely that the new model will reprise its role. The old Avencis is a nice car, but bland, and I can see Toyota is begining to see that it has to make its cars more attractive to younger buyers. And no, it doen't look like the Saga, accept perhaps if you were refering to the 4 round rubber doughnuts jolly_idiot said,
September 10, 2008 @ 9:35 am

Izzit the class to compete with Camry? I see it’s bigger than our Altis.

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The old Avensis sits between the Altis and the Camry size wise, and its likely that the new model will reprise its role. The old Avencis is a nice car, but bland, and I can see Toyota is begining to see that it has to make its cars more attractive to younger buyers.

And no, it doen’t look like the Saga, accept perhaps if you were refering to the 4 round rubber doughnuts

]]> By: ingolstadt http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179199 ingolstadt Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:39:57 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179199 Like someone mentioned, the Avensis is to challenge the likes of the Euro Accord, Mazda 6 and Mondeo, which are all slightly smaller than our Accord and Camry, the reason being, for some awkward reasons Europeans don't like huge mid range sedans, if it's to be the size of Camry, they opt for E-Class, A6, 5 Series. Like someone mentioned, the Avensis is to challenge the likes of the Euro Accord, Mazda 6 and Mondeo, which are all slightly smaller than our Accord and Camry, the reason being, for some awkward reasons Europeans don’t like huge mid range sedans, if it’s to be the size of Camry, they opt for E-Class, A6, 5 Series.

]]> By: n8cky http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179196 n8cky Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:25:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179196 azrai said, September 10, 2008 @ 6:52 am Look much better than our current altis. ----------------------------------------- 're you serious when u're comparing Avensis with Altis? azrai said,

September 10, 2008 @ 6:52 am

Look much better than our current altis.
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‘re you serious when u’re comparing Avensis with Altis?

]]> By: n8cky http://paultan.org/2008/09/10/new-shots-of-toyota-avensis-sedan-and-touring/#comment-179195 n8cky Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:22:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=7931#comment-179195 normaluser said, September 10, 2008 @ 9:13 am Bob_B78 said, September 10, 2008 @ 8:24 am Hm…. On certain angle, the front looks a bit like our new proton saga. Who agrees with me? ————– Huh? you got to be kidding. Not even 1%. --------------------------------------------- Ya, abit~ normaluser said,

September 10, 2008 @ 9:13 am

Bob_B78 said,
September 10, 2008 @ 8:24 am

Hm….
On certain angle, the front looks a bit like our new proton saga.
Who agrees with me?

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Huh? you got to be kidding. Not even 1%.
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Ya, abit~

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