Comments on: Kia cee’d hybrid to be displayed at Paris 2008 http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:58:17 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-181037 maibatsu_thunder Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:54:48 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-181037 Without prejudice, the high spec pro_cee'd 2.0 diesel will definitely be just under the Golf GTi. It's built in Europe after all and you'll need to pay in EUROS. It will be badged Kia 100% just like the Sportage, Optima and Spectra5 not Naza so you can stop speculating on that. If you really want one you can pay a deposit to Naza Kia and I'm sure they can import a cee'd or pro_cee'd for you after going through Type Approval with JPJ. But as for asking why certain models are not here I'm sure you can see that not all manufacturers sell their full model lineup in Malaysia. Kia has just about everything here from A-segment Picanto to Optima, SUVs Sportage and Sorento, MUVs, etc. IMHO it's not fair to just single out one manufacturer and one model and portray it as being unfair to the market to not have that model. If that model can be sold competitively, who wouldn't want to introduce it? Launching a model involves the entire network, to prepar with Sales Training, Service Training, Special Tools, Workshop Manuals, Parts Manuals, Marketing, Advertising, Factory, Type Approval, Price Application to Govt, etc. You could ask the same question to Honda, Why haven't they introduced the Euro Accord, Accord Wagon, Airwave, Crossroad, Edix, Elysion, Freed, Inspire, Legend, Life, Mobilio, S2000, Step Wgn, That's, Vamos and Zest? Same thing with Toyota and Nissan. Without prejudice, the high spec pro_cee’d 2.0 diesel will definitely be just under the Golf GTi. It’s built in Europe after all and you’ll need to pay in EUROS. It will be badged Kia 100% just like the Sportage, Optima and Spectra5 not Naza so you can stop speculating on that. If you really want one you can pay a deposit to Naza Kia and I’m sure they can import a cee’d or pro_cee’d for you after going through Type Approval with JPJ.

But as for asking why certain models are not here I’m sure you can see that not all manufacturers sell their full model lineup in Malaysia. Kia has just about everything here from A-segment Picanto to Optima, SUVs Sportage and Sorento, MUVs, etc.

IMHO it’s not fair to just single out one manufacturer and one model and portray it as being unfair to the market to not have that model. If that model can be sold competitively, who wouldn’t want to introduce it? Launching a model involves the entire network, to prepar with Sales Training, Service Training, Special Tools, Workshop Manuals, Parts Manuals, Marketing, Advertising, Factory, Type Approval, Price Application to Govt, etc.

You could ask the same question to Honda, Why haven’t they introduced the Euro Accord, Accord Wagon, Airwave, Crossroad, Edix, Elysion, Freed, Inspire, Legend, Life, Mobilio, S2000, Step Wgn, That’s, Vamos and Zest? Same thing with Toyota and Nissan.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-181015 ALPINA BMW Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:27:18 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-181015 will it cost so much? in singapore, a hyundai i30 costs the same as a thai nissan latio, considering hyundai is like wat audi is to the volkswagen group, it won't be that bad. and most likely it will end up a naza will it cost so much? in singapore, a hyundai i30 costs the same as a thai nissan latio, considering hyundai is like wat audi is to the volkswagen group, it won’t be that bad. and most likely it will end up a naza

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180992 maibatsu_thunder Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:01:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180992 Kia Forte is a global model, for North America, South America, Korean domestic market, Middle East, etc. It is not an 'Asian Only' model like Livina, Vios, City, etc!! Would you really buy a Cee'd which is priced 90% of a Golf? Kia Forte is a global model, for North America, South America, Korean domestic market, Middle East, etc. It is not an ‘Asian Only’ model like Livina, Vios, City, etc!!

Would you really buy a Cee’d which is priced 90% of a Golf?

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180983 ALPINA BMW Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:34:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180983 actually, they are happy to sell the cheaper cars to us as it will bring them a bigger profit. toyota's reputation is so good that they realise they can sell us any rubbish they produce. actually, they are happy to sell the cheaper cars to us as it will bring them a bigger profit. toyota’s reputation is so good that they realise they can sell us any rubbish they produce.

]]> By: BanyakMasukWorkshop http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180974 BanyakMasukWorkshop Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:54:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180974 ALPINA BMW said, September 25, 2008 @ 6:35 pm WHY DO WE NOT GET THE CEE’D OR NAZA CEE’D ------------------------------------------------ its all due to marketing reasons.. on the advent of globalisation, marketeers were all licking their lips with glee, believing that very soon, they could easily use the same methods to market to a world audience.. that saves time and money.. but unfortunately, the dream marketing solution never happened.. and its proven that different methods are still required for different markets.. even coca cola is sold differently in different countries. which is where there is still a need for a euro honda, or kia ceed for europe.. toyota europe, usa, etc. etc. to be honest, the car companies really wish they can sell a ceed to the whole world, and not to think to hard about coming up with cars for the us, asia..etc. that would say them lots of money and resources, but the reality is very different. ALPINA BMW said,
September 25, 2008 @ 6:35 pm

WHY DO WE NOT GET THE CEE’D OR NAZA CEE’D

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its all due to marketing reasons.. on the advent of globalisation, marketeers were all licking their lips with glee, believing that very soon, they could easily use the same methods to market to a world audience.. that saves time and money.. but unfortunately, the dream marketing solution never happened.. and its proven that different methods are still required for different markets.. even coca cola is sold differently in different countries.

which is where there is still a need for a euro honda, or kia ceed for europe.. toyota europe, usa, etc. etc.

to be honest, the car companies really wish they can sell a ceed to the whole world, and not to think to hard about coming up with cars for the us, asia..etc. that would say them lots of money and resources, but the reality is very different.

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180947 maibatsu_thunder Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:38:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180947 That's the same question Americans are asking, but KIA Cee'd is for Europe only and if in Malaysia it would probably cost as much as a VW Golf. For North America and the rest of the world they get Forte. That’s the same question Americans are asking, but KIA Cee’d is for Europe only and if in Malaysia it would probably cost as much as a VW Golf. For North America and the rest of the world they get Forte.

]]> By: ALPINA BMW http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180925 ALPINA BMW Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:35:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180925 WHY DO WE NOT GET THE CEE'D OR NAZA CEE'D WHY DO WE NOT GET THE CEE’D OR NAZA CEE’D

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180895 maibatsu_thunder Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:17:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180895 Rondo CRDi, Optima CRDi, Picanto Diesel, Forte Diesel, all ready ... whenever our standards shift to EURO4. We need EURO4 NOW! Rondo CRDi, Optima CRDi, Picanto Diesel, Forte Diesel, all ready … whenever our standards shift to EURO4. We need EURO4 NOW!

]]> By: sewell http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180879 sewell Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:05:28 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180879 in malaysia dont think of using diesel, our diesel is still not up to standard yet. you can see those mercedes passenger car also come out black smoke. is not the engine fault is the DIESEL FAULT ! in malaysia dont think of using diesel, our diesel is still not up to standard yet. you can see those mercedes passenger car also come out black smoke. is not the engine fault is the DIESEL FAULT !

]]> By: austin_cipan http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180847 austin_cipan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:53:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180847 abtm, couldn't agree more with you... its just back to business basics rite? abtm, couldn’t agree more with you… its just back to business basics rite?

]]> By: abtm http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180836 abtm Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:37:50 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180836 austin_cipan, fair argument on the cost and weight although thats not much, i think manufacturers are holding back on what they can really do. Once diesel hybrids hit the road the petrol ones will be obsolete austin_cipan, fair argument on the cost and weight although thats not much, i think manufacturers are holding back on what they can really do. Once diesel hybrids hit the road the petrol ones will be obsolete

]]> By: jaygan http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180825 jaygan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:55:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180825 I still prefer Diesel vehicles. And since Japanese have yet to be keen on diesel powered vehicles (maybe just starting now), it may be a good chance for local Koreans importers or assemblers to bring in diesel vehicles, as a head start. Cheers. I still prefer Diesel vehicles. And since Japanese have yet to be keen on diesel powered vehicles (maybe just starting now), it may be a good chance for local Koreans importers or assemblers to bring in diesel vehicles, as a head start.

Cheers.

]]> By: austin_cipan http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180820 austin_cipan Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:28:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180820 a TDI/diesel engines are comparatively heavy due to the higher compression ratio thus, higher strength needed to withstand these compression force. Even compared to most BMW's or Merc's Aluminium based diesel engines, they are comparatively heavier, maybe by not much, but still. Note that Aluminium based diesel engines are lighter but, more expensive than the steel based diesel engine they replace. Battery pack are also very heavy. In my opinion, maybe they don't do a diesel hybrid is because of the weight that will much influence the fuel usage, thus not economical. Or, if in this case they did use the Aluminium based diesel engines, maybe the cost are too high due to the diesel powerplant or the battery pack. Give and take a few more years, when the cost of producing Aluminium based diesel engine (which can possibly be much lighter than current gasoline engine) goes down, maybe they will bother putting a Diesel Hybrid powerplant in passenger vehicle. So, there you have it 4G63T DSM. hoped i answered your question. a TDI/diesel engines are comparatively heavy due to the higher compression ratio thus, higher strength needed to withstand these compression force. Even compared to most BMW’s or Merc’s Aluminium based diesel engines, they are comparatively heavier, maybe by not much, but still. Note that Aluminium based diesel engines are lighter but, more expensive than the steel based diesel engine they replace. Battery pack are also very heavy. In my opinion, maybe they don’t do a diesel hybrid is because of the weight that will much influence the fuel usage, thus not economical. Or, if in this case they did use the Aluminium based diesel engines, maybe the cost are too high due to the diesel powerplant or the battery pack. Give and take a few more years, when the cost of producing Aluminium based diesel engine (which can possibly be much lighter than current gasoline engine) goes down, maybe they will bother putting a Diesel Hybrid powerplant in passenger vehicle. So, there you have it 4G63T DSM. hoped i answered your question.

]]> By: normaluser http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180817 normaluser Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:12:13 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180817 If the hybrid car can achieve 20km+ per litre (city+town driving), that would be good. Even the new Civic Hybrid can only achieve 17km/l, beaten by Euro diesel hatches which can achieve more than 22km/l for mix driving conditions. When can our country start regulating the Diesel quality to match at least Euro3. Diesel price already increased... how about quality?? I'm very keen to see our local carmakers come out with modern diesel engines. At least Naza can bring in Naza Citra Rondo diesel, or Proton with Persona using Renault diesel engines. If the hybrid car can achieve 20km+ per litre (city+town driving), that would be good. Even the new Civic Hybrid can only achieve 17km/l, beaten by Euro diesel hatches which can achieve more than 22km/l for mix driving conditions.

When can our country start regulating the Diesel quality to match at least Euro3. Diesel price already increased… how about quality?? I’m very keen to see our local carmakers come out with modern diesel engines. At least Naza can bring in Naza Citra Rondo diesel, or Proton with Persona using Renault diesel engines.

]]> By: 4G63T DSM http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180816 4G63T DSM Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:07:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180816 I wonder why no one makes a TDI hybrid? I mean a regular family hatch <i>could</i> hit under sub 4L/100kms. I wonder why no one makes a TDI hybrid?

I mean a regular family hatch could hit under sub 4L/100kms.

]]> By: maibatsu_thunder http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180808 maibatsu_thunder Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:13:06 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180808 cee'd and pro_cee'd are for Europe where C-segment cars are hatchbacks (Golf, 308, etc.). North America and the Rest Of The World will get the Forte sedan. cee’d and pro_cee’d are for Europe where C-segment cars are hatchbacks (Golf, 308, etc.). North America and the Rest Of The World will get the Forte sedan.

]]> By: azrai http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180807 azrai Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:07:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180807 They improve a lot those koreans. They improve a lot those koreans.

]]> By: ask82 http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180794 ask82 Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:36:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180794 KIA is now one of the most highly acknowledged Car Brand in Europe and the middle east.They have what it takes TECHNOLOGY WISE and Design wise. P.S: I AM THE 1st of commented according to the topic.LOL KIA is now one of the most highly acknowledged Car Brand in Europe and the middle east.They have what it takes TECHNOLOGY WISE and Design wise.

P.S: I AM THE 1st of commented according to the topic.LOL

]]> By: torque http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180755 torque Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:27:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180755 Wait the minute...I don't feel like I'm in a Pagani Zonda or I just got laid with a hot chicks! Sigh...what's the biggie?! :-P Wait the minute…I don’t feel like I’m in a Pagani Zonda or I just got laid with a hot chicks! Sigh…what’s the biggie?! :-P

]]> By: torque http://paultan.org/2008/09/25/kia-ceed-hybrid-to-be-displayed-at-paris-2008/#comment-180754 torque Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:23:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=8181#comment-180754 Okay...now's my turn....FIRST! Okay…now’s my turn….FIRST!

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