Oh ya, The Toyota Vios(2006 facelift) sucks in some ways. I know because as being a passenger of the car for about 3 years already. First of all, I don’t it is because of bad luck or whatever that my father’s Vios is quite a disaster. First, my father’s Vios air con was a pain in the ass. He got it fixed at UMW for more than 3 times, and the problem still presist. It was a filter problem I think as large amount of “outside odour” is not filtered. Second, the main console was also the pain in the ass, and my father got it fixed at UMW for more than 3 times also, but problem still presist. It makes loud cracking sounds frequently. Third are the window rubbers, keeps on going loose some times, but my father have not fixed them yet. So my father who is a big time Toyota fan was quite disappointed with his 3 year old Vios. Hahahahhaa….Talking about Toyota quality…… The new Vios looks like shit lah, just my two cents. New Honda City seribu kali better. haha

Even Sarawak also don’t have the NGV station eventhough Bintulu plant producing it locally.

are u from thailand?

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nope !!!!!!!!!!!! from johor bahru !!!!!!!!!

-won 2008 gold dragon award
-best car 2008 beat the other competitors such as Vios, City and Latio in term of engine performance, shape design, quality improvement, comfortable, reasonable price and much more…

sifu, for that SLIGHT matter, it would slightly effect on fuel efficiency,
or a bit differ in torque spread, SLGHTLY.

for that slight matter, i think i would hapilly accept campro VIM CPS, and of course CPS will be an advantage over the HP, as the melodic cam changing would uplift the spirit of sportivo du proton.

Actually u can’t compare VIM system and VVT-i system directly also. It works on totally different priciple. The VIM system has two intake settings, the long runner and short runner. At low RPM’s below 4800 rpm, it uses the long runner. In the long runner mode, the air travel a longer pathway thus allowing more time for fuel to mix wit the air throughly. Above 4800 rpm, it shifts to short runner where the engine needs air quickly and fast so it travels a shorter path. At high rpm’s the engine becomes less efficient thus the combustion quality reduces, by using the short runner this phenomena can be improved.
The VVT-i in the other hand, what it does is to retard or advance the timing of the valve. This simply means delaying or advancing the intake valve opening so that the air-fuel mixture can enter a little bit more than usual. Sometimes the opening time overlaps with closing time of the exhaust valve. Even though the time difference is minute or very small, but it gives a big difference because engines run at many thousand revolutions. So when u multipy the torque and power of revolution to a few thousand, u can see a significant difference to the performance of the engine mostly in terms of torque.
The VIM and the VVT-i system serves the same purpose, mostly to improve the torque, give a better range or spread the torque range to give a more responsive and torqier engine. However as i said be4 both this systems work with different priciples. At low engine speeds, i have to say that the VVT-i has a SLIGHT advantage over the VIM system, because it constantly varies the timing but the VIM only runs in one setting, however at high engine speeds, the VIM helps the engine better then the VVT-i system because at high speeds changes in the timing becomes negligible due to the rapid opening and closing of the valves. Thus at high speed, a better air flow into the engine and a bigger valve opening (valve lift – CPS) will give a better performance then the VVT-i. Hope this has answered ur question. Cheers!

in vim, tuning interval happened 2 different range of rpm
but intelligent or dynamic or continous vvt tuning is at a very close interval, probally nearly real time,

so which one the batter ,refined, at lower engine speed?.

U will ‘hear’ and ‘feel’ the turbo engine soon! So please be patient ya!
The problem with nowdays people with car related abreviations are that they just dun know it and understand it, for instance the VVT-i, many people dont even know wat it stands for, furthermore know it works. Most people dont even know that the VVT-i and DVVT frm P2 is the same exact system, and many people cant differentiate betteween VALVE TIMING and VALVE LIFT! Both are different prociples but are related to each other. What Toyota and Perodua has is a VALVE TIMING variable system, where the system varies when the valve opens, either earlier or later (advance or retard) What Proton has as CPS is a VALVE LIFT system where the system has a dual setting where the valve can open normal, or open larger thus allowing more to go in. Nissan’s CVTC is a VALVE TIMING system, for everybody’s information. The best system is to have both, valve timing and valve lift varied accordingly to obtain the best performance like the engine in the Toyota Avensis which has Valvematic (Valve Lift) and VVT-i ( Valve Timing) and also the legendary VTEC which uses a cam phasor to vary the valve timing and a dual lobe setting for the Valve Lift. Cheers!

Agree with with the conclusion, but will u buy a car that is 5 star in quality (Toyota) rather than 2 star quality (Proton) ?

Which one u prefer?

Plus, VVT-i technology is year 1997, proton only can get Campro CPS (no intelligent) by year 2007 (if not mistaken), new engine still need a lot improvement, not like VVT-i for Vios !
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since when vios was “rated” as 5star vehicle?? BMW 320 series just been rated as 3star even it was a better ride than a Vios… And since when Persona has been rated as 2star vehicle as the Waja that used the same meterial as Persona was rated as 3star ride… where did u get this information?? can u give me the damm link so i can post it here.. Again God.of.War, don’t or never ever simply blindly rate, comment and bash before u know or get the right facts and informations… I need to search, read more facts and informations before giving any comment about the car… so, be careful.

btw,
do consumers really know the differences in those “3or4-alphabets-thingy”?

if u hear a BOOM! in Thailand….

that means a Persona exploded….haha!
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Haiya Ah Liew… i didn’t hear exploding sound from here… that mean nothing happen with our own Proton Persona in thailand…

that means a Persona exploded….haha!

aenz81,
I agree with your Waja vs Vios..
I did smoked some Hondas and Toyotas in the tight corners of KL-Karak highway with the Persona.
But sometimes it is the driver, not the car.
You must be a very good driver…
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Actually rt, my Waja vs my daddy Honda city… i’m a bit surprise that u can smoked some honda and toyotas with non IAFM/CPS persona… but yes, why not as it have a better handling than Waja.. a normal Campro enjin just sluggish on “low end” below 4000rpm… beyond that, it’s will transform from a little “cat” into a “tiger”… And, i’m not a very good driver… i’m just have so many driving experiences with local and abroad car… i can say that vios and persona quality is “adequate” with the same range of quality…

And, dont drive to fast beyond the limits…. think of your love one…. happy motoring…

Agree with with the conclusion, but will u buy a car that is 5 star in quality (Toyota) rather than 2 star quality (Proton) ?

Which one u prefer?

Plus, VVT-i technology is year 1997, proton only can get Campro CPS (no intelligent) by year 2007 (if not mistaken), new engine still need a lot improvement, not like VVT-i for Vios !

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who gave this rating??since when vios was given a 5 star in quality department??

people in our country always have the mentality that expensive means better in all aspect and i dont know why even till today malaysians still having the same mentality..even i do at times..cant help it..

but if you buy a vios at the price offered here in Malaysia(overpriced even if NAP and taxes contribute to this factor)

would you complain saying its bad,poor quality and all??i bet u wont to your proton and perodua owners..but once you to the service center you start complain about this and that..this is all due to EGO..

few months back i went out with a few guys frm australia..one of them own a mercedes E 240 year 2005 and another guy own a BMW 5 series and year 2005 as well..

so when both of them were talking about their car..they both were like trying to say they own a better car..no problem,cheap maintenance and etc..they were keep on defending their car saying all sort of thing and after a few glass of beer they even said some stupid stuff like women prefer men in BMW that in merdeces n all that crap…

a week later i intro the BMW owner to my boss who also
has the same car but a year older(2004) and both were complaining about BMW (imagine that) they said brake pads alone cost RM 800 for the front and tyres cant be switch frm rear to from and all sort of complains..and both agreed their next car will be a audi or lexus..and i was saying to myself people will never get satisfied with what they have..

this is ego which makes alot of different..people who buy a vios at 80K wouldnt complain to a proton owner because he has paid a higher price…and he would say he prefer a proton next..because he already pay 30K more that a proton owner did…

and about quality issue..if persona n vios to be compared i guess the only problem/complain so far is the buttons which has no feedback in persona..and tats about it!!even FC is around the same…both my friend consume average rm 15 petrol daily to work frm ampang to bandar utama…

and my persona friend can spare rm 300 per month on installment and rm 150 to 200 on service/maintenance if compared to a Vios..so why would i bother much about quality which i feel vios is abit more refined and and good engineering designs..besides that persona wins hands down..because i m paying rm 30 k less..and lesser interest!!i would prefer a 2 star(based on ur rating) persona rather that spend rm 80k for a 5star(based on ur rating) vios….

means that if satria neo CNG/NGV = no boot space lo??

you buy it because of the T badge..

Now you’re more s…..

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Agree with with the conclusion, but will u buy a car that is 5 star in quality (Toyota) rather than 2 star quality (Proton) ?

Which one u prefer?

Plus, VVT-i technology is year 1997, proton only can get Campro CPS (no intelligent) by year 2007 (if not mistaken), new engine still need a lot improvement, not like VVT-i for Vios !

RT.

As far I had remember, the CNG has been tested on WAJA before.
The LPG version has been launched in the UK too..
So it must have been well researched and tested.

RT.

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When our family going for a long journey travel, i always decide to drove my waja and my parent will choose Honda City… but, everytime we reach at the hi-speed corner, my waja can go for 120km/h with lotus handling meanwhile Honda City speed need to be reduce at 100km/h… so, that we call technology.. if the powerwindow stuck, that was quality problem..

But, when ur car engine brokedown… we can consider it as normal “wear and tear” (if ur vios engine will lasts forvever, u could deny this)

p/s: my friend Persona’s still not giving any problem to their owner yet..

the t-badge worth a lot of money