bout d new lancer is going to be d next waja, plz proton… dont screw up the interior, no more alfa obsession, and NO MORE SISSY SMALL TYRES, Simple 7 spoke twin fork 17inch design shud be enough, please please,

Quality must be improve.good design but lack on quality it worst.

WON’T IT BE COOL IF PROTON COULD REBADRE AN TOYOTA CAMRY AS IT PERDANA 2 REPLACEMENT AND SELL IT AT AROUND 110K (RM)

Wont it be cool if Proton could rebadge an E-Class as its Perdana and sell it for RM100K.

Wont it be cool if Proton could rebadge an E-Class as its Perdana and sell it for RM100K.

It would seem that despite all that money spent on an overseas education you don’t know what “ad hominem” really means. There isn’t space here to explain, so do yourself a favor and read:

http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

About thailand, again you’re changing your argument as you go along. Your tired tactic has always been to justify the NAP by favorably comparing Malaysia to a protected market (australia/thailand) without mentioning that said market is also protected, thus making it a false comparison. When someone calls you on it, suddenly you switch to the same old ” Well at least we’re better than (insert impoverished ASEAN country)” platitudes that the govt loves to trot out. And like the govt, you happily ignore the ridiculous advantages in natural resources, infrastructure and location that are the real reasons Malaysia is ahead of its less fortunate neighbors, though who knows how long that will last at this rate.

Incidentally, your description of cars being more expensive in Thailand is nothing more than a half-truth. While premium CBUs can be pricier there, CKD models like Vios are substantially cheaper. (Yes, OTR)

I mean really, when you have to resort to falsehoods, distortions and wolf cries of ad hominem to sustain your arguments, surely it’s a bad sign?

Developed countries had car industries based on competition as many companies started at roughly the same time with the same level of expertise. In the modern world, it is simply not possible to start from scratch and be competitive.

There are heaps of articles out there online about the history of the motoring industry if you are interested. In particular, look at how countries (who missed the intial car boom) develop their own motor industry – there isnt anything really unusual about malaysia.

You are an odd critic… most critics (regarding this i do agree with them actually) will state the need for mass production and lower costs.

“-.- i guess there will always be a market for cars like the Bufori.

I dont take too well to compliments and not interested in them either, im just asking everyone to be themselves and not let foolishly ‘wise’ plans, roadmaps or any other crap blind them. As i said let Abu or Ah Chong or Raju create a car in a workshed under a tree out of their own resources and i will buy it even if it falls to bits. Not the contraptions that come out of this bloody leach of a company.

Proton Sagwa said, October 15, 2008 @ 6:53 am
-> Ad hominem points ignored.
-> Regarding your point about the thai industry: Yes, that was my intention. Alot of people dont realize that regardless of how you look at it, a 50 year old country has a higher car ownership than other countries in the region – in other words, the affordability of cars has dropped very significantly in 50 years. To other readers, the australian example wasnt a sham. It was to provide prospective and correct misconceptions on what was going on, with hard numbers. But i’d figured that the thai example is easier to understand and more straightforward…and close to home.

To
“knight_templar said,

October 14, 2008 @ 9:11 pm”

Dammit, I’m always impress with your talent in blog writings. You could actually fend off all the attacks on you in this thread alone in one go and in one breath. Phew, man, serious shit, you should be a politician. We need more people like you to stir the Parliament. Haha.

Also I hope that proton comes up with a putra replacement (RWD 1.8 or 2.0 CPS).

I also hope that persona CNG becomes taxi nation wide (better to have standard taxi). but to make that happen more NGV stations have to be set up.

Lastly for the savvy, they can do away with the renault engine and do a 1.0 or 1.2 campro IAFM

And yes, picking on someone’s english is really lame, especially when it couldve been just a simple typo. You should be ashamed of yourself.

ezralimm said,
October 14, 2008 @ 9:17 am

The roadmap does sound plausible, and should fit nicely with the abolishment of preferential tax breaks on the local industry.

I personally feel that for a small car company, having too many models is more of a burden than anything. Drop the waja line or merge it with the persona, then spend the additional available resources to push the MPV through ASAP.

knight_templar, please look at other countries who were developing their own automotive industries. Korea epricven banned foreign imports completely for a good 40 years to force hyundai and kia down the throats of its citizens without competition. Thailand took a different approach from malaysia… no NAP.. yet your friends in bangkok should be able to confirm that cars there are actually more expensive (OTR, not internet es) there than in malaysia. And btw i think you were referring to the quota system, not “quote system” – there is no such thing: proton was given preferential treatment by way higher taxes imposed on foreign imports.

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Uhuh Shakespeare’s in the house correcting english and all. Why dun u get alive and stop being naive?
Ten years down the road Proton will have another road map asking for more help and preferably ‘special status’. U can already see the pitfalls in this roadmap. Let me tell you electric cars are not the solution to any problem. When your done using them where the heck do you plug them in for charging? your as*? You plug them back into the bloody electricity grid that uses hydrocarbon fuels you dumbhead! Whether its fuel cell or hybrid or any jargon they merely shift the problem from ur perspective.

knight_templer;

Sorry, but you sounded like a demented psychopath. Could you argue your points without too much emotion and vulgarity?

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Err who rattled your cage? Why dont you just lead your routine, intelligence stagnant, sex deprived live quietly and just save precious cyber space? The physical world already has enough twirps like you so pls save cyberspace. Maybe i should come out with a roadmap to rid cyberspace of lower beings like you in the near future.

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BanyakMasukWorkshop said,
October 14, 2008 @ 12:07 pm

but after reading knight_templer’s remarks, the last thing i expected is that a small car company like proton could turn someone into such an angry, angst ridden individual. my advice is, to chill dude, before you do something to hurt yourself.. better you channel all that hate into something more productive like..er..erm.. heavy metal music? or something like that.

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I understand sometimes PMS can make people turn sagely or unintelligently wise. Dont worry my dear its only three days. Then switch on ur pc, log into this blog and delete your account.

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Honda was created by two very passionate individuals who began by innovating from a bicycle with a motor to the cars that we have today. The key words are passion and innovation. Read about Honda or so many other famous marques and you will understand why i resent Proton. I will support a local car that is made by an enthusiast in a pondok workshop with raw passion and talent even if it has no seats, not this spoilt child of a company. With that this argument stops for i have proven i am an epitome of nationalism and patriotism. If u fools dun get it, shoot each other and save our dear country.

Proton should employ you as free lancer for their future car models, TheophilusChin.

Anyways, I still prefer your “Perodua Kici” (check previous posting in PaulTan.org). Haha.

October 14, 2008 @ 10:01 am

knight_templer;

Sorry, but you sounded like a demented psychopath. Could you argue your points without too much emotion and vulgarity?

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after watching so many documentaries on psychopaths, you really wonder what exactly happened in their young lives that made them become who they are today..

but after reading knight_templer’s remarks, the last thing i expected is that a small car company like proton could turn someone into such an angry, angst ridden individual. my advice is, to chill dude, before you do something to hurt yourself.. better you channel all that hate into something more productive like..er..erm.. heavy metal music? or something like that.

Sorry, but you sounded like a demented psychopath. Could you argue your points without too much emotion and vulgarity?

I personally feel that for a small car company, having too many models is more of a burden than anything. Drop the waja line or merge it with the persona, then spend the additional available resources to push the MPV through ASAP.

knight_templar, please look at other countries who were developing their own automotive industries. Korea epricven banned foreign imports completely for a good 40 years to force hyundai and kia down the throats of its citizens without competition. Thailand took a different approach from malaysia… no NAP.. yet your friends in bangkok should be able to confirm that cars there are actually more expensive (OTR, not internet es) there than in malaysia. And btw i think you were referring to the quota system, not “quote system” – there is no such thing: proton was given preferential treatment by way higher taxes imposed on foreign imports.