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	<title>Comments on: Toyota gives the Toyota Avanza another facelift!</title>
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		<title>By: john persie lee</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-253972</link>
		<dc:creator>john persie lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: john persie lee</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-253971</link>
		<dc:creator>john persie lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 05:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stupid to buy toyota avanza. originaly is daihatsu car.
in sg this type of car is under daihatsu manufacturer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stupid to buy toyota avanza. originaly is daihatsu car.<br />
in sg this type of car is under daihatsu manufacturer</p>
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		<title>By: Orang Sederhana</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-238925</link>
		<dc:creator>Orang Sederhana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 10:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich people condemns this car... Poor people appreciate this car... 

Poor people pretending to be rich: criticise this car
Rich people pretending to be poor: didnt even look at this car...

My point is: you keep on commenting la... still got so many people buy... i&#039;m gonna buy one soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich people condemns this car&#8230; Poor people appreciate this car&#8230; </p>
<p>Poor people pretending to be rich: criticise this car<br />
Rich people pretending to be poor: didnt even look at this car&#8230;</p>
<p>My point is: you keep on commenting la&#8230; still got so many people buy&#8230; i&#8217;m gonna buy one soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fase6478</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-235537</link>
		<dc:creator>Fase6478</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 2009 Avanza 1.5G..Is it ok my fuel consumption for in average 90 km per day costly RM 60 for 4 days..please comment if my avanza not good...by the way my average speed 120-130kmph..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 2009 Avanza 1.5G..Is it ok my fuel consumption for in average 90 km per day costly RM 60 for 4 days..please comment if my avanza not good&#8230;by the way my average speed 120-130kmph..</p>
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		<title>By: Wat</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-224293</link>
		<dc:creator>Wat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just recently brought TOYOTA AVANZA 1.5E, it just only one mount passes. Now I find out that my car didn&#039;t have any control for lock the Automatic Gear. the Main Security issue which I have from this car is the Automatic Gear can be change anytime without press the break or any control button. 

Anyone have similar problem with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently brought TOYOTA AVANZA 1.5E, it just only one mount passes. Now I find out that my car didn&#8217;t have any control for lock the Automatic Gear. the Main Security issue which I have from this car is the Automatic Gear can be change anytime without press the break or any control button. </p>
<p>Anyone have similar problem with me.</p>
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		<title>By: j_hafiz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-216999</link>
		<dc:creator>j_hafiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anybody have ideas which one to choose? this is for my own soon.. seems 2 be odessey i think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anybody have ideas which one to choose? this is for my own soon.. seems 2 be odessey i think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: j_hafiz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-216998</link>
		<dc:creator>j_hafiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still look like same with the old one rite? whatever, but still my mother but it..
have no choice. grandlivina? out of budget lorr :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still look like same with the old one rite? whatever, but still my mother but it..<br />
have no choice. grandlivina? out of budget lorr <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: generalbersara</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-204087</link>
		<dc:creator>generalbersara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why don&#039;t u guyz at TOYOTA put in K3-VET engine,
Rear disc brake, DVD player, RECARO seats, MOMO steering wheel on the Avanza?
eventhough the price is high everybody will be very happy..
no more bashing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why don&#8217;t u guyz at TOYOTA put in K3-VET engine,<br />
Rear disc brake, DVD player, RECARO seats, MOMO steering wheel on the Avanza?<br />
eventhough the price is high everybody will be very happy..<br />
no more bashing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: erichigc</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183687</link>
		<dc:creator>erichigc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rsrulz,

I am also living in singapore. I wont mind paying extra if I am secured from thelf and crime if we compare to what happened in malaysia. Police running away from Chow Kit road. What a shame. 

Cost of living in Singapore is much higher than in malaysia, do not forget that we have much higher buying power. Ppl here are afford to change car at least five years once with a good decent income. It really depends which class you are in. Understand that &quot;poor&quot; ppl oso suffered. But generally, graduates from Singapore are enjoying much more than Malaysian Graduate. My advice is work hard and work smart. The world is yours when fairer system is applied here.

My aim is porsche in next 5 years...Haha All the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rsrulz,</p>
<p>I am also living in singapore. I wont mind paying extra if I am secured from thelf and crime if we compare to what happened in malaysia. Police running away from Chow Kit road. What a shame. </p>
<p>Cost of living in Singapore is much higher than in malaysia, do not forget that we have much higher buying power. Ppl here are afford to change car at least five years once with a good decent income. It really depends which class you are in. Understand that &#8220;poor&#8221; ppl oso suffered. But generally, graduates from Singapore are enjoying much more than Malaysian Graduate. My advice is work hard and work smart. The world is yours when fairer system is applied here.</p>
<p>My aim is porsche in next 5 years&#8230;Haha All the best.</p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183399</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do you have a brochure, now in your hand
one of the brochure by UMW toyota , avanza. and i dont know about other model,

go to dimension and weight,
look for 
wheelbase/jarak roda   2655mm
tread/bunga                 1415mm             1405mm

so what is tread/bunga.

so toyota please correct this quick, its ----------- T R A C K not tread/bunga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do you have a brochure, now in your hand<br />
one of the brochure by UMW toyota , avanza. and i dont know about other model,</p>
<p>go to dimension and weight,<br />
look for<br />
wheelbase/jarak roda   2655mm<br />
tread/bunga                 1415mm             1405mm</p>
<p>so what is tread/bunga.</p>
<p>so toyota please correct this quick, its &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; T R A C K not tread/bunga</p>
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		<title>By: tec96248</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183359</link>
		<dc:creator>tec96248</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rsrulz said,

October 16, 2008 @ 5:32 pm 

--can&#039;t agree with u, because is an irrelevant comparison and too earlier to praise a car if is not yet on the market. Tax structures also different applied to the cars. Read singapore review? what about Europeans? Is not easy to judge it, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rsrulz said,</p>
<p>October 16, 2008 @ 5:32 pm </p>
<p>&#8211;can&#8217;t agree with u, because is an irrelevant comparison and too earlier to praise a car if is not yet on the market. Tax structures also different applied to the cars. Read singapore review? what about Europeans? Is not easy to judge it, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: God.of.War</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183331</link>
		<dc:creator>God.of.War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree that our taxes are high in malaysia but people in singapore also have to pay alot for their cars. they have to pay to park in their own flat car park and road tax is crazy, for 1.3L car it is SGD300 plus just for six months. so singapore isn’t such a great place to own a car either.

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not all is right, they buy house at JB and park at JB with no cost. marry JB girl or man and can get PR for malaysian. but i don mind. sorry SG people, but many of the SG people is so cocky, dono why... but not all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree that our taxes are high in malaysia but people in singapore also have to pay alot for their cars. they have to pay to park in their own flat car park and road tax is crazy, for 1.3L car it is SGD300 plus just for six months. so singapore isn’t such a great place to own a car either.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>not all is right, they buy house at JB and park at JB with no cost. marry JB girl or man and can get PR for malaysian. but i don mind. sorry SG people, but many of the SG people is so cocky, dono why&#8230; but not all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sagaKNIGHT</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183322</link>
		<dc:creator>sagaKNIGHT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mcm kering idea je toyota....
maybe their senior designer dah tahap veteran
klua jelah dgn idea2 mcm ni
sorry of topic...
design new corolla like they scracth and sharp
the headlamp and rearlamp from previous model...
&amp; the pillar just they took from yaris...
new vios dah klua...
bile agaknye toyota nak ganti 
avanza gen baru?
mmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mcm kering idea je toyota&#8230;.<br />
maybe their senior designer dah tahap veteran<br />
klua jelah dgn idea2 mcm ni<br />
sorry of topic&#8230;<br />
design new corolla like they scracth and sharp<br />
the headlamp and rearlamp from previous model&#8230;<br />
&amp; the pillar just they took from yaris&#8230;<br />
new vios dah klua&#8230;<br />
bile agaknye toyota nak ganti<br />
avanza gen baru?<br />
mmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ALPINA BMW</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183298</link>
		<dc:creator>ALPINA BMW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who is the desginer of this car? GIORGIO GIU GA DO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who is the desginer of this car? GIORGIO GIU GA DO?</p>
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		<title>By: bobdbilder</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobdbilder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is amazing is that they are all doing this Special Editions all in the space of a few weeks.  Methinks Toyota is learning from what Proton did; various facelifts while increasing price.  So who&#039;s learning from who?

Remember the Dugong?  It&#039;s more expensive and more ugly.  I thought when you pay more, its supposed to be better?  At least the old Saga Aeroback was better than the old ones with lighter bumpers and nicer dashboard.

Hmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is amazing is that they are all doing this Special Editions all in the space of a few weeks.  Methinks Toyota is learning from what Proton did; various facelifts while increasing price.  So who&#8217;s learning from who?</p>
<p>Remember the Dugong?  It&#8217;s more expensive and more ugly.  I thought when you pay more, its supposed to be better?  At least the old Saga Aeroback was better than the old ones with lighter bumpers and nicer dashboard.</p>
<p>Hmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: gods twin</title>
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		<dc:creator>gods twin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rsrulz,
I do agree with you, as i frequently travel to singapore on business and find the parking rates and not to mention ERP charge. You see the cars there is cheap (if you compare on the salary wage SGD), but the catch is they pay high parking rates,ERP and many more. But back in our beloved country, Cars are freakin expensive, Fuel is expensive(if you compare on the salary wage MYR), Insurance, Toll Charges and also parking charges (ask those who work in jln ampang, yap kwan seng,jln pinang, b.bintang and more). 
I am not saying proton is bad nor toyota is good either(if you guy have time pls revisit  the thread on one of the new city reviews by paul-. My friends Civic 2 years old newly changed Fuel injectors and ECU. Another friend of mine, 5 years ago, bought a brand new 5 series, the cars ABS and traction went haywire resulting in him wacking the divider along N-S expressway at 160km/h. All car manufactures are not perfect, we should see their positive side more than the negative, but many of us only see the aesthethics. There is more to it. 

http://paultan.org/archives/2008/09/22/2009-honda-city-set-to-hit-the-european-market/#comments

We have to give credit where its due, and currently PROTON is doing a fantastic job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rsrulz,<br />
I do agree with you, as i frequently travel to singapore on business and find the parking rates and not to mention ERP charge. You see the cars there is cheap (if you compare on the salary wage SGD), but the catch is they pay high parking rates,ERP and many more. But back in our beloved country, Cars are freakin expensive, Fuel is expensive(if you compare on the salary wage MYR), Insurance, Toll Charges and also parking charges (ask those who work in jln ampang, yap kwan seng,jln pinang, b.bintang and more).<br />
I am not saying proton is bad nor toyota is good either(if you guy have time pls revisit  the thread on one of the new city reviews by paul-. My friends Civic 2 years old newly changed Fuel injectors and ECU. Another friend of mine, 5 years ago, bought a brand new 5 series, the cars ABS and traction went haywire resulting in him wacking the divider along N-S expressway at 160km/h. All car manufactures are not perfect, we should see their positive side more than the negative, but many of us only see the aesthethics. There is more to it. </p>
<p><a href="http://paultan.org/archives/2008/09/22/2009-honda-city-set-to-hit-the-european-market/#comments" rel="nofollow">http://paultan.org/archives/2008/09/22/2009-honda-city-set-to-hit-the-european-market/#comments</a></p>
<p>We have to give credit where its due, and currently PROTON is doing a fantastic job.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrulz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsrulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a follow up to my previous comment i would like to say that i know what i am talking about as i am a malaysian living in singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a follow up to my previous comment i would like to say that i know what i am talking about as i am a malaysian living in singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrulz</title>
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		<dc:creator>rsrulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gods twin said
October 16, 2008 @ 5:29 pm

Maddy-Kun,

i totally agree with U
Which car company offers an MPV with twin air blowers and a seven seater for the price of 65k-75k(Avanza &amp; Vios), and at the same time has a second hand value of atleast 70% from the value of a brand new car . Even the new honda stream comes with on dash air conds. These cars are targeted to lower middle income earners,ie goverment servants and more. Its not at all targeted to boy racer and to joe’s out there who think that this is an “ugly mother Fac##r” and also for those out there who thinks that BMW and Honda’s are the best car makers. Feel sorry for them tough. I am not in any way complaining about BMW’s and Honda’s, in actual fact i drive an E46 Beamer.

Before bashing a car company, we should look at the target market its targeted to. i personally feel that the car is actually more than you can ask for if your income is in the range of middle class earners and with 3 kids.

A vios cost 56k(cost of persona) in langkawi, check the site!!!, camry cost almost 100k Civic cost close to 80k, in Singapore a camry is only 96k, if your are earning a salary of SGD3500, the camry looks possible. but back here in our beloved soil? The amount of taxes that are imposed to non national cars is attrocious. Our G policy is 1 sided. We are actually paying more than 1st world countries just a decent problem free car.

As far as i am concern, the Avanza is a perfect car for those ppl out there who needs a cheap solution to thier finances, growing fly and a good resale value. Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder, not passer by’s.

My 2 cent opinion.

____________________________________

i agree that our taxes are high in malaysia but people in singapore also have to pay alot for their cars. they have to pay to park in their own flat car park and road tax is crazy, for 1.3L car it is SGD300 plus just for six months. so singapore isn&#039;t such a great place to own a car either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gods twin said<br />
October 16, 2008 @ 5:29 pm</p>
<p>Maddy-Kun,</p>
<p>i totally agree with U<br />
Which car company offers an MPV with twin air blowers and a seven seater for the price of 65k-75k(Avanza &amp; Vios), and at the same time has a second hand value of atleast 70% from the value of a brand new car . Even the new honda stream comes with on dash air conds. These cars are targeted to lower middle income earners,ie goverment servants and more. Its not at all targeted to boy racer and to joe’s out there who think that this is an “ugly mother Fac##r” and also for those out there who thinks that BMW and Honda’s are the best car makers. Feel sorry for them tough. I am not in any way complaining about BMW’s and Honda’s, in actual fact i drive an E46 Beamer.</p>
<p>Before bashing a car company, we should look at the target market its targeted to. i personally feel that the car is actually more than you can ask for if your income is in the range of middle class earners and with 3 kids.</p>
<p>A vios cost 56k(cost of persona) in langkawi, check the site!!!, camry cost almost 100k Civic cost close to 80k, in Singapore a camry is only 96k, if your are earning a salary of SGD3500, the camry looks possible. but back here in our beloved soil? The amount of taxes that are imposed to non national cars is attrocious. Our G policy is 1 sided. We are actually paying more than 1st world countries just a decent problem free car.</p>
<p>As far as i am concern, the Avanza is a perfect car for those ppl out there who needs a cheap solution to thier finances, growing fly and a good resale value. Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder, not passer by’s.</p>
<p>My 2 cent opinion.</p>
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<p>i agree that our taxes are high in malaysia but people in singapore also have to pay alot for their cars. they have to pay to park in their own flat car park and road tax is crazy, for 1.3L car it is SGD300 plus just for six months. so singapore isn&#8217;t such a great place to own a car either.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrulz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183278</link>
		<dc:creator>rsrulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its so sad that most of the people who realize that the avanza is rubbish is only on this website. if only other members of the public knew and were willing to wait for proton mpv. most people don&#039;t even know that a proton mpv is coming out soon.

I think i will rather gat a proton than a toyota now. last time proton used to cheat us with overpriced useless cars but now it is toyota who is doing that and proton who is trying to improve its car price and quality, even car reviews from overseas are praising the new proton cars more than the new toyota cars (read some singapore car reviews). 

Being a Malaysian i have to say that i am very proud of proton for what it has done. I used to be a proton basher but now i am a proton praiser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its so sad that most of the people who realize that the avanza is rubbish is only on this website. if only other members of the public knew and were willing to wait for proton mpv. most people don&#8217;t even know that a proton mpv is coming out soon.</p>
<p>I think i will rather gat a proton than a toyota now. last time proton used to cheat us with overpriced useless cars but now it is toyota who is doing that and proton who is trying to improve its car price and quality, even car reviews from overseas are praising the new proton cars more than the new toyota cars (read some singapore car reviews). </p>
<p>Being a Malaysian i have to say that i am very proud of proton for what it has done. I used to be a proton basher but now i am a proton praiser.</p>
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		<title>By: gods twin</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183277</link>
		<dc:creator>gods twin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maddy-Kun,

i totally agree with U 
Which car company offers an MPV with twin air blowers and a seven seater for the price of 65k-75k(Avanza &amp; Vios), and at the same time has a second hand value of atleast 70% from the value of a brand new car . Even the new honda stream comes with on dash air conds. These cars are targeted to lower middle income earners,ie goverment servants and more. Its not at all targeted to boy racer and to joe&#039;s out there who think that this is an &quot;ugly mother Fac##r&quot; and also for those out there who thinks that BMW and Honda&#039;s are the best car makers. Feel sorry for them tough. I am not in any way complaining about BMW&#039;s and Honda&#039;s, in actual fact i drive an E46 Beamer. 

Before bashing a car company, we should look at the target market its targeted to. i personally feel that the car is actually more than you can ask for if your income is in the range of middle class earners and with 3 kids. 

A vios cost 56k(cost of persona) in langkawi, check the site!!!, camry cost almost 100k Civic cost close to 80k, in Singapore a camry is only 96k, if your are earning a salary of SGD3500, the camry looks possible. but back here in our beloved soil?  The amount of taxes that are imposed to non national cars is attrocious. Our G policy is 1 sided. We are actually paying more than 1st world countries just a decent problem free car. 

As far as i am concern, the Avanza is a perfect car for those ppl out there who needs a cheap solution to thier finances, growing fly and a good resale value. Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder, not passer by&#039;s.

My 2 cent opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maddy-Kun,</p>
<p>i totally agree with U<br />
Which car company offers an MPV with twin air blowers and a seven seater for the price of 65k-75k(Avanza &amp; Vios), and at the same time has a second hand value of atleast 70% from the value of a brand new car . Even the new honda stream comes with on dash air conds. These cars are targeted to lower middle income earners,ie goverment servants and more. Its not at all targeted to boy racer and to joe&#8217;s out there who think that this is an &#8220;ugly mother Fac##r&#8221; and also for those out there who thinks that BMW and Honda&#8217;s are the best car makers. Feel sorry for them tough. I am not in any way complaining about BMW&#8217;s and Honda&#8217;s, in actual fact i drive an E46 Beamer. </p>
<p>Before bashing a car company, we should look at the target market its targeted to. i personally feel that the car is actually more than you can ask for if your income is in the range of middle class earners and with 3 kids. </p>
<p>A vios cost 56k(cost of persona) in langkawi, check the site!!!, camry cost almost 100k Civic cost close to 80k, in Singapore a camry is only 96k, if your are earning a salary of SGD3500, the camry looks possible. but back here in our beloved soil?  The amount of taxes that are imposed to non national cars is attrocious. Our G policy is 1 sided. We are actually paying more than 1st world countries just a decent problem free car. </p>
<p>As far as i am concern, the Avanza is a perfect car for those ppl out there who needs a cheap solution to thier finances, growing fly and a good resale value. Beauty lies in the eyes of beholder, not passer by&#8217;s.</p>
<p>My 2 cent opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: tec96248</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183275</link>
		<dc:creator>tec96248</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha.......lots of bashing the mpv with nonsense. some compared this mpv with a car. what overpriced, really don&#039;t know? may be related to the tax structures. actually to facelift again in 5 years is ok since car also can stay more than ten years by facelift only. 

infinity, have to agree with on the facelift since not a car and the volume of production is less compared to car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha&#8230;&#8230;.lots of bashing the mpv with nonsense. some compared this mpv with a car. what overpriced, really don&#8217;t know? may be related to the tax structures. actually to facelift again in 5 years is ok since car also can stay more than ten years by facelift only. </p>
<p>infinity, have to agree with on the facelift since not a car and the volume of production is less compared to car.</p>
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		<title>By: infinity</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183265</link>
		<dc:creator>infinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha...time has changed...last time, when got toyota posts, sure ppl will give good comments and then compare it with proton, then bash proton...now seems like the other way round..

anyway, about this avanza..it&#039;s a practical car..price also ok ma...it&#039;s the cheapest mpv around, so wat r u complaining??i know tat it&#039;s very basic, but it serves the purpose of being an MPV right??at least they take the trouble to facelift..better than just leave it as it is...agree??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha&#8230;time has changed&#8230;last time, when got toyota posts, sure ppl will give good comments and then compare it with proton, then bash proton&#8230;now seems like the other way round..</p>
<p>anyway, about this avanza..it&#8217;s a practical car..price also ok ma&#8230;it&#8217;s the cheapest mpv around, so wat r u complaining??i know tat it&#8217;s very basic, but it serves the purpose of being an MPV right??at least they take the trouble to facelift..better than just leave it as it is&#8230;agree??</p>
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		<title>By: rsrulz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183263</link>
		<dc:creator>rsrulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avanza sucks. Its an overpriced ugly poor quality piece of s*it.
Don&#039;t know why they sell it here. it is meant for third world countries we are a developing nation not third world. And do u know dat they sell inova and rush in Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avanza sucks. Its an overpriced ugly poor quality piece of s*it.<br />
Don&#8217;t know why they sell it here. it is meant for third world countries we are a developing nation not third world. And do u know dat they sell inova and rush in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: rsrulz</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183264</link>
		<dc:creator>rsrulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avanza sucks. Its an overpriced ugly poor quality piece of s*it.
Don&#039;t know why they sell it here. it is meant for third world countries we are a developing nation not third world. And do u know dat they sell inova and rush in Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avanza sucks. Its an overpriced ugly poor quality piece of s*it.<br />
Don&#8217;t know why they sell it here. it is meant for third world countries we are a developing nation not third world. And do u know dat they sell inova and rush in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: intermilan</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183241</link>
		<dc:creator>intermilan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn..

no amount of ugly truth will stop people (some with no choice, some actually GOT choice) to still buying this... apa nama..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn..</p>
<p>no amount of ugly truth will stop people (some with no choice, some actually GOT choice) to still buying this&#8230; apa nama..</p>
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		<title>By: rwd</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183236</link>
		<dc:creator>rwd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>change their suspension setup first...just wonder they know what is the car&#039;s problem or not? is not visual or cosmetic..but suspension is the biggest weakness of Avanza to compete with others...what is the purpose to buy 7 seated MPV? for loading right? imagine the suspension setup is worse until people &quot;try not to sit&quot; your car if they have choice(expecially 3rd row), now you should able imagine how worse is the Avanza suspension..good luck TYT.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>change their suspension setup first&#8230;just wonder they know what is the car&#8217;s problem or not? is not visual or cosmetic..but suspension is the biggest weakness of Avanza to compete with others&#8230;what is the purpose to buy 7 seated MPV? for loading right? imagine the suspension setup is worse until people &#8220;try not to sit&#8221; your car if they have choice(expecially 3rd row), now you should able imagine how worse is the Avanza suspension..good luck TYT&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ignas</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183217</link>
		<dc:creator>ignas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5 years model expect to sell with higher price after cosmetic change? three words, wut a cheapo marketing move! 

cars are getting more and more expensive with more and more cheapo quality. avanza is not a sport car btw, so wuts up wif the kits. better cornering perhaps?

if got money better top up a lil bit more for Grand Ribena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5 years model expect to sell with higher price after cosmetic change? three words, wut a cheapo marketing move! </p>
<p>cars are getting more and more expensive with more and more cheapo quality. avanza is not a sport car btw, so wuts up wif the kits. better cornering perhaps?</p>
<p>if got money better top up a lil bit more for Grand Ribena.</p>
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		<title>By: clover leaf</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183207</link>
		<dc:creator>clover leaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toyota continue to command top sales on its overpriced cars due to people over-demand buying its cars.
toyota implements kaizen philosophy even on sales and marketing, its a norm to see any toyota salesman gone extra mile to well treating customers pre-sale and after-sale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toyota continue to command top sales on its overpriced cars due to people over-demand buying its cars.<br />
toyota implements kaizen philosophy even on sales and marketing, its a norm to see any toyota salesman gone extra mile to well treating customers pre-sale and after-sale.</p>
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		<title>By: mytouch</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183206</link>
		<dc:creator>mytouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walao ehh!! another facelift? Toyota oii Toyota,i think they no need to propduce new model anymore,just keep facelifting the current cars in the market. They are closer to become the new POTONG of Malaysia...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walao ehh!! another facelift? Toyota oii Toyota,i think they no need to propduce new model anymore,just keep facelifting the current cars in the market. They are closer to become the new POTONG of Malaysia&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: arie1968</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/10/14/toyota-gives-the-toyota-avanza-another-facelift/#comment-183196</link>
		<dc:creator>arie1968</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>avanza should be sale for clearence stock only....
nearly 5 years for this model.
Give a good discounts........and low interest maaa.....
next year will be Perodua MPV 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>avanza should be sale for clearence stock only&#8230;.<br />
nearly 5 years for this model.<br />
Give a good discounts&#8230;&#8230;..and low interest maaa&#8230;..<br />
next year will be Perodua MPV 2009.</p>
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