Berapa lama BMW , Toyota , Honda , Merc … or even Mitsubishi amik masa utk belajar … untuk sampai ke tahap sekarang ? More than 23 years right ?

October 25, 2008 @ 12:06 pm

mitlanevo said,
October 24, 2008 @ 6:26 pm

and i get what u mean regarding price depreciation, the best example are the 350z and rx8….. then in the future there will be more and more nissan gt-r on the road….

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I PERSONALLY can’t agree with you more on that issue bro,well said….those cars price depreciate like shit man! Still, even the great car like the 350Z cost like a 100 grand to buy…I ain’t gonna buy it since the road tax cost nearly 4K per year.
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i seriously dono who buys the second hand protons for insane second hand prices. plus cars like ferrari and porsches(except 924,944) never go below rm100k

and i get what u mean regarding price depreciation, the best example are the 350z and rx8….. then in the future there will be more and more nissan gt-r on the road….

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I PERSONALLY can’t agree with you more on that issue bro,well said….those cars price depreciate like shit man! Still, even the great car like the 350Z cost like a 100 grand to buy…I ain’t gonna buy it since the road tax cost nearly 4K per year.

but what to do? Bolehland is really boleh in everything, lol…..

As a scooby owner, i have to admit the this Evo performs better especially when it comes to cornering. The AWC system works so well that it feels like the car is sticking to the road when sharp cornering….

When it comes to price, It’s a little bit pricey….but it is worth it.

Aiya …. they ciplak proton persona punye design la . Then put waja punya bonet . Hmm … suda habis idea kaa ??

Kadang2 … design proton menarik minat pengeluar kete lain . Let see BMW X6 … the latest one . Gambar sisi tak ubah mcm Gen.2 … cuma diperbesarkan agar menjadi SUV . Take ur time … see it , judge it .
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Wow,

I didn’t know Proton is so ‘HEBAT’…… Even BMW also want to copy cat Proton’s design

MALAYSIA BOLEH !

KO-P MONEY PUN BOLEH!

October 24, 2008 @ 12:01 am

mr. torque, regarding the 1st paragraph, i think u are the one who should consult eyes specialist asap….

and 2nd paragraph is actually what i said and what i mean (as usual)….

no matter it is 30k for potong, 300k for evo, or 3 million for some exclusive Aston, Rolls-Royce or Maybach, we citizen of Bolehland know very well about OVERPRICING…..

if i have 300k, DAMN YES i will get the evo x because i like that car, and i know i got no other choice. Migrate to other countries so that i can get my favourite ride with lower price? 300k want to migrate to where? Pattaya? Bali? or Somalia?

the majority will of coz get a c-class or 3-series or any other European marque with 300k, but for those who really knows what is E-V-O, then different story lah…
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sometimes its not about if you can afford the car or not, its the awful feeling that you can have a BMW m5 for the price of a bmw 525i here

but i’m not “hardcore JDM fans”…. and kinda anti-Toy-otak….. 300k for evo x is definitely too much, but i will still get 1 to drive if given a chance and 300k cash of coz… the pleasure of driving the evo and any other equivalant 300k car will be totally different…. (for me lah….)

and i get what u mean regarding price depreciation, the best example are the 350z and rx8….. then in the future there will be more and more nissan gt-r on the road….

anyway, dont get me wrong, coz i aint got 300k, lol~

p/s: get the UK spec FQ-400 or the JDM evo ix wagon, thats even rare….

Good to hear there’s still a hardcore JDM fans regardless what brand they choose. YES mate, I know if you got a RM300K…as your nickname suggest you of course DAMN WELL will getting this Evo X! Still, I trust my guts and my guts tells me that you’re SMARTER than I know you are (Yes we don’t know each other well but we share the same passion). If you, Mitlanevo have a RM300K…I still think you’ll smart enough to wait or buy another Evo version and souped it up to a tarmac monster and beat the crap of all those expensive cars from the Europe (maybe even scooby)! Hey, I never ask you to migrate mate but I just stress out the FACT that RM300K paying for Evo in Malaysia is just too much. Plus, living in Malaysia car prices depreciate like nobody bussiness and paying a fortune for the sake it’s NEW is useless to me, unless you grow money from tree la!

p/s: If I too had more than RM300K, I’ll not buying this Evo X not for the sake it’s NEW but I’ll personally order through dealers of getting me the marvelous Evo IX MR FQ360 since it is more rare la bro! I’ll look value for money in my book. Peace!

and 2nd paragraph is actually what i said and what i mean (as usual)….

no matter it is 30k for potong, 300k for evo, or 3 million for some exclusive Aston, Rolls-Royce or Maybach, we citizen of Bolehland know very well about OVERPRICING…..

if i have 300k, DAMN YES i will get the evo x because i like that car, and i know i got no other choice. Migrate to other countries so that i can get my favourite ride with lower price? 300k want to migrate to where? Pattaya? Bali? or Somalia?

the majority will of coz get a c-class or 3-series or any other European marque with 300k, but for those who really knows what is E-V-O, then different story lah…

To farhitech, I wish to point out an great error in your comparison. The techonolgy at the time when the Japanese marque was developing the does not allow rapid progress and advancement. However, by the time Proton started until now, tools such as CAD, CAE & etc is available. Development time could be shorthen significantly. However, the progress was extremely and hence the great dissatisfaction among rakyat due to continuous protection needed.

Look at the progress of the Korean marque. You can arque that reliability is still questionable but their design has vastly improved. Similarly, take a look at the Chinese marque as well, they maybe crap now but 5 years down the road they would improved in leap and bound and not mere tiny step as what Proton is currently doing.

I owned a new Proton Saga. Sadly, old problem still exist. Power switch failure after only two months. New air-vent (Middle LH) design looks cool but won’t stay in open position. Rattling sound at the F/LH door. Poor paint job. Some may argue what do you expect for a low end car. However, I wish to remind you that RM40k is not cheap to the mast majority of rakyat.

Point to note though, I send my car to COE for a service and warranty claim and they managed to rectify 4 out of 5 of my complaints. The one they missed hopefully could be rectified during my next visit. Overall service quality was okay but wish they had rectified all the problems.

October 23, 2008 @ 8:23 pm

brand, the power of the brand is everything.

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which is why mercedes-benz survived eventhough they made really bad cars during the 90′s and toyota still is known for its reliability eventhough its last reliable car was the toyota supra

Saya memang setuju untuk memberi ruang kepada Proton untuk belajar dari kesilapan. Tapi ruang yang telah diberi selama 23 tahun tapi tak belajar lagi, macam mana ?

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23 tahun utk belajar dalam industri automotif bukan suatu masa yg mencukupi . Even Honda , Toyota … telah menghabiskan masa lebih dpd 23 tahun untuk sampai ke tahap sekarang . Mitsubishi juga .

Tapi apa yg Proton berjaya lakukan pada usia 23 tahun … tidak dapat dilakukan oleh Honda , Toyota , Mitsubishi pada ketika mereka berusia 23 tahun .

Pandangan saya , jika Proton tidak terikat dgn tanggungjawab sosial serta tidak dimanjakan keterlaluan … Proton pasti boleh maju jauh ke hadapan … lebih jauh daripada apa yg kita lihat sekarang . Lagi pun Proton belajar daripada bukan guru yang sebenar …. sebagaimana Honda dapat belajar dpd McLarren .

Alangkah baiknya jika Proton dapat gunakan Lotus semaksimumnya untuk hasilkan kereta berkualiti … paling tidak , setanding bintangnya dgn Lotus Exige .

That way, it won’t be such a beast but you will still have the power to have a quick blast around. Perfect for Singaporeans.

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A very fair comments! I’ll accept that!

It maybe true in other countries where cars arent costing a bomb where EVO and WRX will be owned by many buyers as the no frill super fast transport to the destination but in Malaysia, to find RM300k for a car, unless you have inherited a handsome sum of $ from your parents or your parents are loaded or you’re as brilliant as half of Bill Gates, by the time you can actually afford it, your preference taste and priorities in life could be different already so as your partner’s. She’ll appreciate more in a comfortable and upmarket transport with reputable brand to add the little pride.

What’s the difference between the EVO 0 – 100km @ 4.9 vs 7.7 secs of the BMW 325i Sports? Yes, it’s almost 3 secs slower but these numbers are done by flooring the throttle pedal. Will you be driving it in the same manner on the road? That’s a suicide act not to mention bout irresponsible to other road users. Like the saying “Great Power comes with Great Responsibilities.” Imagine whe it’s gone into the hands of a wrong attitude. At of this price range, buying a Lexus IS250 for the Ultimate Ownership Experience if not Ultimate Driving Machine would be a wiser choice as it’ll give the least problems compared to the euro counterparts. Meanwhile, a Mazda RX8 RS version with a 50:50 weigth distribution setup coupled with the FR drive train will put your driving skill to the test and that’s what I called the Ultimate Driving Machine. The real fun starts with such type of setup.

Berikan Proton ruang secukupnya , at least untuk belajar dari kesilapan lampau .

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Saya memang setuju untuk memberi ruang kepada Proton untuk belajar dari kesilapan. Tapi ruang yang telah diberi selama 23 tahun tapi tak belajar lagi, macam mana?

What about the quality? Care to compare the quality of the BMW with a Gen2? Or this Evo X with a Waja and Persona?

I hope you were joking, man!

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torque said,
October 22, 2008 @ 4:56 pm

I’m also hope he’s joking when comparing Proton with the beemer!

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Just comparing about the design . Quality …. amat jauh bezanya . Even kalau Proton mampu hasilkan the RM300k car , belum tentu kualitinya setanding dgn Evo atau BMW .

Jangan salah faham , dude !

Kita bangga dengan produk luar tapi tak semestinya kita memperkecil dan memperlekehkan hasilan nasional kita . Berikan Proton ruang secukupnya , at least untuk belajar dari kesilapan lampau .

these cars are catered purely for the speed freaks.

those who prefer a nicer handling, better interior car (like me!)

either get an audi or bmw or european car. much better spent.

However its the road condition that we have to really consider when buying one of these. We would not want to put such a great hadling car through the highways wouldnt we, that will be an insult to it near perfect handling. Our trunk roads are full with lorries and kancils that obstruc the way. Whats left? Federal Highway in KL???? So even if u have one of these what are you going to do with it, show off? i might as well modify the normal lancer EX to look like one. So its still wiser to stick with your BMW Mercedes Benz and Audi. They offer excellent ride, good(enough) handling, and they are head turners.

TL

October 22, 2008 @ 5:44 pm

>jolly_idiot

different people have different preferences, hence that is why we all have a choice.
I like my ride to be exciting and fun to drive, hence for me even if it’s 300k for the Evo or 700k for the GTR i would still go for your so-called “jappy”.

imagine, u drive a 500k bmw but get blown away at the lights by a evo.
that might not impress the gals, but to me, that’s priceless.

you on the other hand, is one typical badge-snubber.

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well, at least the girl’s parents won’t disapprove you