all we consumer want is a more realistic price for entry level car for toyota, honda and or other brands. Bring it down to match Tailand’s price or slightly higher. Don’t give all those bull and cock story which we are not interested to know.

As a consumer we are more interest in the end user price.
Local price is high due to the manipulative action by the government on the car industry. Full stop. don’t response to this post. Premm3377

Yeah.. sometime i feel the same.
it’s hard to make people understand.
since most of them GLOBAL-ECONOMIC-BLIND ..

they are almost just plain people those working 9 – 5 everyday and dreaming they can buy GTR / Ferrari / Porsche just like that.

i do agree..mis-management is the main reason..but this mis-management is created by Malaysians..no one else…

we dont seem to realise we are living in an artificial enviroment since our nation was formed…we dont pay the real world price for petrol till lately nor pay the right price for our cars…even food and all…plus we dont even get the right amount of salary..

but the problem is..to get out of this..most dont know where to start..for example…when petrol price was about to go real world price..we malaysian suffered alot..when car price go lower the secondhand market will be affected badly and whole auto industry will go haywire..do u get it??

its already impossible to make changes in our artificial system..so we cant blame the G alone..we have to blame everyone..if we can cope with the real world petrol price..we have to force the G to give us the real world car price..but we have sacrify our secondhand car values and etc…how many people do you think is up for it??do you mind selling you current car for rm 15000 or 20000 less??its actually hard to explain or make people understand our real situation..so i should stop here…

i dont know who came up with this kinda system but we have to live with it..for me petrol price has to be low..so i need sum sort of subsidy because i use petrol everyday but pay for my car once a month..and i cant afford to loose rm 15000 to 20000 from market price when i sell my car…cause i m paying every month and for 7 years…so how do we change??or how can we change??

people just want cheaper car but they dont consider the consequence..if first time buyer..they will enjoy if price are lowered..but what about the 6 or 7 million people who owns a car otr two??

but expecting tax free car for example like in Langkawi or Labuan it too much…and comparing against tax free price is stupid too!!we cannot expect ZERO tax car!!thats for sure..

saying car prices everywhere else outside malaysia is cheap is another blind assumption..

and saying proton is too expensive compared to the rest is another blind assumption…

so pippen i hope you understand…

i m saying it again..i never agree with car price in Malaysia or the NAP

but whats making us cant afford a car is our salary structure!!!

look at singapore..they pay much higher tax for car than us..but yet the afford to drive better car than us!!!simple..because the earn way much higher than us!!!

November 14, 2008 @ 11:37 pm

ALPINA Bukard Bovensiepen GMBH + Co. KG,

who told you cars outside malaysia is cheap??
if you compare with USA it doesnt make sense..ask me why if you dont really know y!!

if you compare with UK or european price again its stupid assumption..

if you compare with Japan..again its not fair

let me tell you why…look at USA..it is a developed country(malaysia is not!!)

1. car price there has to be low because of competition
2.because of their buying power
3.their population 300 million which is about 10 times than us.
4.their tax structure…they pay 30% of their income back to the G..

same goes to europe and japan..and in thailand..their per capita is unlike us..and those people prefer 4wd than car so cars has to price lower than usual..

we have bigger market than them even if their population is higher!!

actually these taxes are based on the individual country…developed countries can lower taxes cause their government earn higher than ours

i dont know why most malaysians live based on asumption and think that cars are cheaper else where…are we rich like US or UK citizen??

our main problem is we are earning too little…in european countries people pay taxes based on emission and etc..or when they sell their cars..on etc…

we dont have to go for inspection every 5 years and dont have to dispose the cars after certain age or we dont have compulsary maintanence to do…

please do not assume things..perodua and proton is paying same amount of taxes..but why perodua myvi is more expensive than the proton saga??can anyone tell why??

naza brings naza suria as ckd malaysia car..but yet have to price it at rm 46000!!this shows proton can produce cheaper car than the rest and toyota or kia is not as cheap as you think it is!!

again do not base it on US or UK price..look at where we stand!!can we buy 20 million cars a year???no..our market is not big nor strong…and WE ARE A DEVELOPING COUNTRY..so dont say things which is not making sense!!

compare wisely or give reasonable explaination when you say something!!!
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exactly, they are more developed, they are richer, why do we have to work so hard, earn peanuts, and pay lobsters for cars? wait, i forgot, you’re a ap king

seat fabric is at saga level
rear sea though high, its feel flat bottom ,like want to slide foward,

puls point bit, the vvt but the 1.3 engine runs 3000rpm at 100km/h on 5sp manual, doesnt feel special. (as power to weight ratio not allowing long legged gearing)

based on ur reply to BanyakMasukWorkshop,

1. R&D grant is actually to help proton develop new model..but you might ask why its given..put it this way…the G collect tax from us all and survive based on taxes..but the G is responsible for development right??

but how do the G does this development process??they have to invest..and proton is a investment..otherwise what do you want our G to do with those tax payers money??R&D grant is a good thing to encourage proton to develop its on product..and we can see they are doing it!!starting from WAJA!!so we do see development!!!so 200 million is not a big sum because many countries does the same!!thats how we develop!!

2. proton can compete with japanese cars..cause we are competing right now..perodua can only price a 1.3 car at rm about rm 47000 but proton can do it at rm 41000…(remember perodua is a toyota and same category as SAGA so paying the same amount of tax) and naza can only sell naza suria at rm 46000 even if its smaller than saga!so proton is cheaper!!

and proton did make perodua suffer when saga was launched!!

and taxes has been reduced gradually..except for CBU cars..so sooner or later proton will be on a fair ground..

3. thats true..but foreign manufacturer will not be here forever and labour cost in south east asia is getting higher..and sooner or later they will be shifting to africa or ex soviet countries..so that time we will still have proton and thailand hv nothing…foreign manufacturers only cares about profit!!remember few years back we had many ckd cars here even when we have proton but they have shifted to thailand..and soon out of thailand..all they want is profit..they dont do charity..or even care about our nations development!!

4. yah myvi sells better than rest because our mentality..nothing else..you get a bigger car for a cheaper price for saga…but yet many prefer myvi..it shows our mentality..we dont mind paying something extra even if its not worth it but when it come to national produce..we assume its always lousy!!

10 to 15 years back..korean cars were crap and people dont really buy them for quality or what but in korean 80% was their home made cars..and wen their company was losing money the G did help them for bail out and etc..(even american companies do get help from their G) and look at korean cars now…their people supported their product all the way till today..unlike malaysian who tarnish proton reputation even if they dont own a proton!!and up held what JC the british clown says about proton!!

when we change..malaysia will…..

who told you cars outside malaysia is cheap??
if you compare with USA it doesnt make sense..ask me why if you dont really know y!!

if you compare with UK or european price again its stupid assumption..

if you compare with Japan..again its not fair

let me tell you why…look at USA..it is a developed country(malaysia is not!!)

1. car price there has to be low because of competition
2.because of their buying power
3.their population 300 million which is about 10 times than us.
4.their tax structure…they pay 30% of their income back to the G..

same goes to europe and japan..and in thailand..their per capita is unlike us..and those people prefer 4wd than car so cars has to price lower than usual..

we have bigger market than them even if their population is higher!!

actually these taxes are based on the individual country…developed countries can lower taxes cause their government earn higher than ours

i dont know why most malaysians live based on asumption and think that cars are cheaper else where…are we rich like US or UK citizen??

our main problem is we are earning too little…in european countries people pay taxes based on emission and etc..or when they sell their cars..on etc…

we dont have to go for inspection every 5 years and dont have to dispose the cars after certain age or we dont have compulsary maintanence to do…

please do not assume things..perodua and proton is paying same amount of taxes..but why perodua myvi is more expensive than the proton saga??can anyone tell why??

naza brings naza suria as ckd malaysia car..but yet have to price it at rm 46000!!this shows proton can produce cheaper car than the rest and toyota or kia is not as cheap as you think it is!!

again do not base it on US or UK price..look at where we stand!!can we buy 20 million cars a year???no..our market is not big nor strong…and WE ARE A DEVELOPING COUNTRY..so dont say things which is not making sense!!

compare wisely or give reasonable explaination when you say something!!!

THAT APPLY TO INDONESIA TOO!..

When i was there for months.. rural area one.
you might be surprise!..
1 village.. they share money to buy a moped.. and they share that one for almost 15’s family.. the moped absolutely overall transportation for them to go to city. Buying what they need, posting letters..etc.. THAT’S was never happen in our country rural area.

It’s all about VICE VERSA!

Im still glad.. in this country.. I had so many option.. and if i work/business more harder and smarter.. I do believe i can buy a ferrari too!..
(but it was an imposible thing in some other country for normal person like us btw)

Break even=Khazanah don’t need to pump money in now?

If proton develops exports extensively, it means the rakyat has to suffer as exise duties on import cars are still present which makes any kind of foreign car ownership beyond the reach of most malaysians.

proton will not fall, if fall also will get money from gov. Too many industries tied with that. The problem is that proton is no hyundai which started from shipping company etc. They had the materials, then build car company. Proton, build car company, then worry where to get the parts

November 14, 2008 @ 11:52 am

I’m really confused by all the comments here from guys like pippen, kemosabe, etc.

1. since proton is making money, can someone explain how “tax payers” money is given or used by proton to the tune of billions? if thats true, how come its never reflected in their audited financials..? how does it happen?

2. with so many other cars for sale in the malaysian market today from different makes at similar prices to proton, are the thousands of people still buying proton today forced to do so? and how are proton forcing them?

3. in malaysia, we have car ownership penetration that matches countries in europe. regardless of the fact that the majority drives a national car, does that really mean the local auto industry is destroyed?

4. and what state is proton in today, that makes it worst that perodua?
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you have any idea how cheap cars really are overseas. everybody knows proton is the bitch son product off that motherfucker of a dictator mahaithir.

Well, in this ever unfair society and pathetic adminstratvie rule by the ruling government, i don’t think we are going to see any of the changes happening soon.

Sad isn’t it?

Why on earth do we have special duty rates for foreign cars? Why can’t we have fair competition just like in other countries? These are some of the questions that bugging them (sometimes me too)

Audi owns Lambo, and current Lambos are built with Audi dna, but still Italians consider it as their own pride. For Proton, it’s not even a takeover issue, just a merger or a joint venture. Maybe after that we can see a broader view of the economies of scale. Global scale. My two cents worth.

yamseng!

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Who force you?
you don’t like.. don;t buy.
you can’t afford?
but there’s still many choice of 2nd hand car.

I don’t think you can force to buy.. It’s an option no matter what.
and.. my uncle oso told me..
“There’s no thing you can afford in the world, it’s you those limited yourself. ”

That’s the most different thing within Poor and Rich people.

1) here’s an article on Proton financial performance in The Star http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/5/28/business/21375689&sec=business
Proton receives a R&D grant to a tune of almost RM200mil per year.
Question is look at the cars being produced by Proton – what level of R&D could you buy with RM200mil?
And guess where the RM200mil comes from?

2) Proton doesn’t force anyone to buy their vehicles, the government policies does. Foreign vehicles are slapped with high import duties thus making car prices very high.
So imagine if foreign cars and local cars(Proton) are given the same level of duties. Can Proton compete with a Hyundai, Toyota, Honda?

3) The local auto industry does not comprises of local consumption only. It also involves foreign manufacturers setting up the factories here to produce parts and complete cars for export as well. Tax incentives and ownership of the business etc policies plays a big role in attracting these foreign companies. Check out Thailand automotive industry – see how they have grow and how we have shrunk. Check out their car prices as well.

4) Easy – how many Myvis compare to Sagas or Personas or Savvy do you see everyday on the road? These 2 companies are local companies – why one could do so well year after year while the other suffers? A Myvi cost more than a Saga BLM but yet sells like hot cakes.

1. since proton is making money, can someone explain how “tax payers” money is given or used by proton to the tune of billions? if thats true, how come its never reflected in their audited financials..? how does it happen?

2. with so many other cars for sale in the malaysian market today from different makes at similar prices to proton, are the thousands of people still buying proton today forced to do so? and how are proton forcing them?

3. in malaysia, we have car ownership penetration that matches countries in europe. regardless of the fact that the majority drives a national car, does that really mean the local auto industry is destroyed?

4. and what state is proton in today, that makes it worst that perodua?