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	<title>Comments on: Proton MPV spotted in Putra Heights!</title>
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	<description>Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry</description>
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		<title>By: awangdewas</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-195750</link>
		<dc:creator>awangdewas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My friend who is a Proton dealer told me that he &amp; other dealers have been invited to preview the new MPV. He is satisfied and said the price will be below RM75,000 (with a 1.6 engine). I&#039;m not an auto expert, but if I&#039;m not mistaken, he told me that the MPV has 135 hp(?) (is it reasonable or powerful enough?).

But overall he said that the with the overall package, the MPV definitely can sell. No name yet as this will be officially announced together with the winner of MPV naming contest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend who is a Proton dealer told me that he &amp; other dealers have been invited to preview the new MPV. He is satisfied and said the price will be below RM75,000 (with a 1.6 engine). I&#8217;m not an auto expert, but if I&#8217;m not mistaken, he told me that the MPV has 135 hp(?) (is it reasonable or powerful enough?).</p>
<p>But overall he said that the with the overall package, the MPV definitely can sell. No name yet as this will be officially announced together with the winner of MPV naming contest</p>
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		<title>By: oodane</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-192160</link>
		<dc:creator>oodane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i saw 3 proton mpv this morning (9.45am) around persiaran kewajipan today..4 ppl in each car..coulnt snap any photo since i was driving alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i saw 3 proton mpv this morning (9.45am) around persiaran kewajipan today..4 ppl in each car..coulnt snap any photo since i was driving alone.</p>
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		<title>By: plasticwrench</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-192061</link>
		<dc:creator>plasticwrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like the Thais are using this website as a source for the new MPV but how come I never saw these spypics before?

http://www.thaiprotonclub.com/news_read.php?id=1851</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like the Thais are using this website as a source for the new MPV but how come I never saw these spypics before?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thaiprotonclub.com/news_read.php?id=1851" rel="nofollow">http://www.thaiprotonclub.com/news_read.php?id=1851</a></p>
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		<title>By: ideoteque85</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-191510</link>
		<dc:creator>ideoteque85</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the guy at the show room today told me the MPV is set to launch sometime in March 2009 with 1.6 CPS. now don&#039;t tell me I have to wait after the MPV launching for the Satria Neo with CPS engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the guy at the show room today told me the MPV is set to launch sometime in March 2009 with 1.6 CPS. now don&#8217;t tell me I have to wait after the MPV launching for the Satria Neo with CPS engine.</p>
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		<title>By: lmst</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-190414</link>
		<dc:creator>lmst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ermm it&#039;s looks nice in full bodykit...ermm what&#039;s the standard rim?? 13??14??15??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ermm it&#8217;s looks nice in full bodykit&#8230;ermm what&#8217;s the standard rim?? 13??14??15??</p>
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		<title>By: ALPINA Burkard Bovensiepen GMBH + Co. KG</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-190154</link>
		<dc:creator>ALPINA Burkard Bovensiepen GMBH + Co. KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when is the volkswagen touran coming here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when is the volkswagen touran coming here?</p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189994</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my experience with campro engine,
as it gain millage, the engine is getting batter and energiatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my experience with campro engine,<br />
as it gain millage, the engine is getting batter and energiatic.</p>
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		<title>By: ranggi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189987</link>
		<dc:creator>ranggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sifu...

mpv  bergerak selaju lebih 140km/ dlm full loaded (penuh air dlm kotak plastik) utk menyamai perkiraan &#039;human simulation weight&#039;..  masa test kat highway

enjin mpv baru menggunakan Campro CPS 1.6 + light turbo, chasis dia menggunakan Galvanized metal, super high strength high tensile steel iaitu lebih ringan dan kukuh/tahan lasak berbanding high tensile steel yg digunakan pada BMW 3 series dan saga baru

betul ke??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sifu&#8230;</p>
<p>mpv  bergerak selaju lebih 140km/ dlm full loaded (penuh air dlm kotak plastik) utk menyamai perkiraan &#8216;human simulation weight&#8217;..  masa test kat highway</p>
<p>enjin mpv baru menggunakan Campro CPS 1.6 + light turbo, chasis dia menggunakan Galvanized metal, super high strength high tensile steel iaitu lebih ringan dan kukuh/tahan lasak berbanding high tensile steel yg digunakan pada BMW 3 series dan saga baru</p>
<p>betul ke??</p>
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		<title>By: Prem3377</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189840</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem3377</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sifu,

u r a really fast in admitting and correcting ur mistakes man..so nice of you..hard to find people like you in this blog man..keep up your good work..

try suggesting proton to build ceramic coated engines where the inside of the cylinder and piston is coated with a special ceramic which can retain heat and work in higher temperature..and help to produce more complete combustion..better FC and HP..and will help attract more customer to choose proton since using cutting age technology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sifu,</p>
<p>u r a really fast in admitting and correcting ur mistakes man..so nice of you..hard to find people like you in this blog man..keep up your good work..</p>
<p>try suggesting proton to build ceramic coated engines where the inside of the cylinder and piston is coated with a special ceramic which can retain heat and work in higher temperature..and help to produce more complete combustion..better FC and HP..and will help attract more customer to choose proton since using cutting age technology</p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189747</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sifu is it true that, siemen ecu dictate the engine in such manner (lack) so that it meet the euro 4 emmision</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sifu is it true that, siemen ecu dictate the engine in such manner (lack) so that it meet the euro 4 emmision</p>
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		<title>By: bmpower</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189698</link>
		<dc:creator>bmpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh I see.. OK!.. kill the Utusan reporter! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh I see.. OK!.. kill the Utusan reporter! <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189695</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sifu,
thats clear cut, its the answer to  speculation of 1.8 campro, afterall probally the engine stroke allowablity is for 1.3 to 1.6,

so then 1.6 campro is really tuned or tailored for the mpv purpose, and i remeber you said before in last topic,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sifu,<br />
thats clear cut, its the answer to  speculation of 1.8 campro, afterall probally the engine stroke allowablity is for 1.3 to 1.6,</p>
<p>so then 1.6 campro is really tuned or tailored for the mpv purpose, and i remeber you said before in last topic,</p>
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		<title>By: si-fu</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189669</link>
		<dc:creator>si-fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no 1.8 Campro CPS engine...it doesn&#039;t exist!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no 1.8 Campro CPS engine&#8230;it doesn&#8217;t exist!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: si-fu</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189668</link>
		<dc:creator>si-fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prem3377 and other guys...there is a mistake in my comment above. The Campro engine&#039;s extractor is NOT ceramic base, but CAST IRON. I am sorry for the wrong info. However, the function of using cast iron is as i mentioned be4, to contain the heat of the engine, inorder to activate the CAT at arnd 900 degC. Other type of extractor, like aluminium alloy or stainless steel will be able to release heat easier. I am sorry again for the wrong info. 

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prem3377 and other guys&#8230;there is a mistake in my comment above. The Campro engine&#8217;s extractor is NOT ceramic base, but CAST IRON. I am sorry for the wrong info. However, the function of using cast iron is as i mentioned be4, to contain the heat of the engine, inorder to activate the CAT at arnd 900 degC. Other type of extractor, like aluminium alloy or stainless steel will be able to release heat easier. I am sorry again for the wrong info. </p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Prem3377</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189663</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem3377</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>si-fu,

thanks for the info..i didnt know campro one was a ceramic based extractor...

thanks once again..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>si-fu,</p>
<p>thanks for the info..i didnt know campro one was a ceramic based extractor&#8230;</p>
<p>thanks once again..</p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189644</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sifu, thats mean export model cant deny having the cat since its double check ater cat, 

the choice they might choose is high flow cat,

i have my neo discarded the cat, the feel is quite a surge along with rpm, but not significantly torquey but the improvement is there,

about advance intake, i saw some of the dyno chart is quite realistic, interm of earlier gain though not tremendously, i do agree remap does to done, inrelation this new setting, interm of ignition, and power optimization,

like the case of increasing the compression ratio, definitely it need to be careful with ignition to be tad delay a little,

anyway the cat has it lifespan/will kaput probally at 1/3 of the life of the car, and, very expensive to replace, 

but it robs accleration which i hate,

sifu, any info of campro 1.8 cps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sifu, thats mean export model cant deny having the cat since its double check ater cat, </p>
<p>the choice they might choose is high flow cat,</p>
<p>i have my neo discarded the cat, the feel is quite a surge along with rpm, but not significantly torquey but the improvement is there,</p>
<p>about advance intake, i saw some of the dyno chart is quite realistic, interm of earlier gain though not tremendously, i do agree remap does to done, inrelation this new setting, interm of ignition, and power optimization,</p>
<p>like the case of increasing the compression ratio, definitely it need to be careful with ignition to be tad delay a little,</p>
<p>anyway the cat has it lifespan/will kaput probally at 1/3 of the life of the car, and, very expensive to replace, </p>
<p>but it robs accleration which i hate,</p>
<p>sifu, any info of campro 1.8 cps?</p>
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		<title>By: bmpower</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189639</link>
		<dc:creator>bmpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction.. it&#039;s 1.8 campro CPS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction.. it&#8217;s 1.8 campro CPS</p>
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		<title>By: bmpower</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189638</link>
		<dc:creator>bmpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.8 campro actually already develope right? 
and used in a Hover Plane early this year. 
(this many people don&#039;t know yet - EVEN PAUL :D )

i wonder.. is that the same engine will powering this mpv as BONUS and SUPRISE thingy from proton? Because from the video.. i really doubt that was 1.6 engine power kind of movement for big body as that.

&lt;strong&gt;Paul Tan says: That was a case of reporter sesat. The moment the story came out I checked with Proton and they said they also don&#039;t know why the reporter typo 1.6 become 1.8.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.8 campro actually already develope right?<br />
and used in a Hover Plane early this year.<br />
(this many people don&#8217;t know yet &#8211; EVEN PAUL <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>i wonder.. is that the same engine will powering this mpv as BONUS and SUPRISE thingy from proton? Because from the video.. i really doubt that was 1.6 engine power kind of movement for big body as that.</p>
<p><strong>Paul Tan says: That was a case of reporter sesat. The moment the story came out I checked with Proton and they said they also don&#8217;t know why the reporter typo 1.6 become 1.8.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: si-fu</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189573</link>
		<dc:creator>si-fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prem3377, regarding the extractor...what u said is commonly quite true for engines in general. However for the Campro, the case is quite unique. The reason i asked to change the extractor to a metal based (aluminium or steel) is because the current one is a ceramic based one. The reason to use the ceramic based one is because to keep the heat of the engine, this heat is used to activate the catalytic converter (it needs arnd 900 degC to work). Thats why the Campro engine has the CAT placed near to the extractor. Due to this, the engine operating temp (combustion) becomes high (arnd 800 - 900 degC) thus reducing the efficiency of the engine. If u remove the ceramic extractor and use a metal one, it will diperse heat faster thus reducing the core temp of the engine. Thus increasing combustion efficiency. 
U dun need to worry about the sensor (lamda or O2 sensor) that u mention as the local Campro only have one BEFORE the CAT. The export version has 2, one be4 and one after the CAT. Wat the lamda sensor does is just read the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gasses and then lean or rich the mixture to main emission levels. So changing the extractor wont effect the lamda sensor.
Ur knowledge is quite good Prem3377...keep up the good work!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prem3377, regarding the extractor&#8230;what u said is commonly quite true for engines in general. However for the Campro, the case is quite unique. The reason i asked to change the extractor to a metal based (aluminium or steel) is because the current one is a ceramic based one. The reason to use the ceramic based one is because to keep the heat of the engine, this heat is used to activate the catalytic converter (it needs arnd 900 degC to work). Thats why the Campro engine has the CAT placed near to the extractor. Due to this, the engine operating temp (combustion) becomes high (arnd 800 &#8211; 900 degC) thus reducing the efficiency of the engine. If u remove the ceramic extractor and use a metal one, it will diperse heat faster thus reducing the core temp of the engine. Thus increasing combustion efficiency.<br />
U dun need to worry about the sensor (lamda or O2 sensor) that u mention as the local Campro only have one BEFORE the CAT. The export version has 2, one be4 and one after the CAT. Wat the lamda sensor does is just read the amount of oxygen in the exhaust gasses and then lean or rich the mixture to main emission levels. So changing the extractor wont effect the lamda sensor.<br />
Ur knowledge is quite good Prem3377&#8230;keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: ALPINA Burkard Bovensiepen GMBH + Co. KG</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189544</link>
		<dc:creator>ALPINA Burkard Bovensiepen GMBH + Co. KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>even the toyota verso is better than this junk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even the toyota verso is better than this junk</p>
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		<title>By: tokmoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>tokmoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So many ppl throw cata conv but mother nature still alrite wat.

If ppl rly care abt mother nature, prius n biofuel/biodiesel shud b banned. Nothing but hypocritical products that kill mother nature 10X greenhouse gas amount they save.

If u still feel guilty, automotive_critics, I suggest u plant more trees or veges in ur backyard. At least, u&#039;ll get free n fresh vege like that while reducing co2 amount in this world ahahahah. Even if u dun have space, use hydrophonic method or whatever.....used to be popular back in late 90s n early 2000s&#039;, where u put seed in a small plastic cup with cotton nden in a water container blah, something like that la lol!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many ppl throw cata conv but mother nature still alrite wat.</p>
<p>If ppl rly care abt mother nature, prius n biofuel/biodiesel shud b banned. Nothing but hypocritical products that kill mother nature 10X greenhouse gas amount they save.</p>
<p>If u still feel guilty, automotive_critics, I suggest u plant more trees or veges in ur backyard. At least, u&#8217;ll get free n fresh vege like that while reducing co2 amount in this world ahahahah. Even if u dun have space, use hydrophonic method or whatever&#8230;..used to be popular back in late 90s n early 2000s&#8217;, where u put seed in a small plastic cup with cotton nden in a water container blah, something like that la lol!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nakal</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189525</link>
		<dc:creator>Nakal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah!! This is what we called automotive forum!! very informative..See? errrr...where is &#039;proton bashing team&#039;?...any info n knowledge to share?..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah!! This is what we called automotive forum!! very informative..See? errrr&#8230;where is &#8216;proton bashing team&#8217;?&#8230;any info n knowledge to share?..</p>
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		<title>By: Prem3377</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189479</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem3377</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and forget to tell you..even if i say extractor is a simple device..but alot of calculation involved..especially volumetric efficiency...it might take weeks before we can come to a perfect volumetric efficiency...(in gas turbines or turbomachinery can take even months) but nowadays easy la..got powerful softwares and hardwares..

and ah beng shop wont even know whats that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and forget to tell you..even if i say extractor is a simple device..but alot of calculation involved..especially volumetric efficiency&#8230;it might take weeks before we can come to a perfect volumetric efficiency&#8230;(in gas turbines or turbomachinery can take even months) but nowadays easy la..got powerful softwares and hardwares..</p>
<p>and ah beng shop wont even know whats that..</p>
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		<title>By: Prem3377</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189476</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem3377</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Automotive_Critics,

Sifu the proton guy also told dy..haha..he knows campro way much better than me..so u should listen to him

anyway to answer ur question..extractor is the first part of the exhaust system...where u can see infront of you engine..usually the original extractor  a mass production model which is made of simple bends and curves to simplify production..and this simple bends and curve will restrict the flow of exhaust gas and creat certain amount of back pressure..

but with better extractor design the exhaust gases cause flow out to the next unit more freely and this will reduce unwanted back pressure usually due to carbon deposit and all after few years of usage..so u will not loose original engine hp when u change but by changing extractor u might save fuel..and ur engine will feel more free

but there is sensor on the extractor and usually it works well on production extractor and also the connections..when u change usually like aluminium or anything else..it works in higher temperature and this sensor usually can give inaccurate reading..and mite kacau the fuel amount injected and etc..that the general problem if ppl change extractor..

ah beng shop sumtimes dunno how to weld..so if you rev a high temperature might even bocor..so dont waste much money on extactor cause its not a complicated device and dont contribute much unless a race engine..

unless u can get R3 products or expensive exhaust extractor then ok..if you thinking of cost..dont bother changing extractor..

piping and all ok la..but like Sifu said..dun eva change the muffler..the will sound like shit and will spoil the flow and back pressure of the entire exhaust system...


my advise is..always find the simple and cheapest way to modify you car..

Sifu will tell you how many hours spent on R&amp;D of an engine..so everything they have on an engine serves a purpose..and ask advise from people who knows the engine well enough..but not from perodua engineers la..hehe..they might know how to fix..but wont know how it works...proton engineers know how to do both...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Automotive_Critics,</p>
<p>Sifu the proton guy also told dy..haha..he knows campro way much better than me..so u should listen to him</p>
<p>anyway to answer ur question..extractor is the first part of the exhaust system&#8230;where u can see infront of you engine..usually the original extractor  a mass production model which is made of simple bends and curves to simplify production..and this simple bends and curve will restrict the flow of exhaust gas and creat certain amount of back pressure..</p>
<p>but with better extractor design the exhaust gases cause flow out to the next unit more freely and this will reduce unwanted back pressure usually due to carbon deposit and all after few years of usage..so u will not loose original engine hp when u change but by changing extractor u might save fuel..and ur engine will feel more free</p>
<p>but there is sensor on the extractor and usually it works well on production extractor and also the connections..when u change usually like aluminium or anything else..it works in higher temperature and this sensor usually can give inaccurate reading..and mite kacau the fuel amount injected and etc..that the general problem if ppl change extractor..</p>
<p>ah beng shop sumtimes dunno how to weld..so if you rev a high temperature might even bocor..so dont waste much money on extactor cause its not a complicated device and dont contribute much unless a race engine..</p>
<p>unless u can get R3 products or expensive exhaust extractor then ok..if you thinking of cost..dont bother changing extractor..</p>
<p>piping and all ok la..but like Sifu said..dun eva change the muffler..the will sound like shit and will spoil the flow and back pressure of the entire exhaust system&#8230;</p>
<p>my advise is..always find the simple and cheapest way to modify you car..</p>
<p>Sifu will tell you how many hours spent on R&amp;D of an engine..so everything they have on an engine serves a purpose..and ask advise from people who knows the engine well enough..but not from perodua engineers la..hehe..they might know how to fix..but wont know how it works&#8230;proton engineers know how to do both&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Automotive_Critics</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189412</link>
		<dc:creator>Automotive_Critics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>si-fu said,
November 18, 2008 @ 6:03 pm 

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Si-fu, thanks for your advice..really appreciate it.</description>
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November 18, 2008 @ 6:03 pm </p>
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Si-fu, thanks for your advice..really appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: awak</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189362</link>
		<dc:creator>awak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>probally the mpv do have different cam spec ,and programmed ecu,

low cam is an advance cam, and high cam remain, (although VIM is there)

sifu ,just my guess,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>probally the mpv do have different cam spec ,and programmed ecu,</p>
<p>low cam is an advance cam, and high cam remain, (although VIM is there)</p>
<p>sifu ,just my guess,</p>
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		<title>By: si-fu</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189357</link>
		<dc:creator>si-fu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Automotive_Critics, what Prem3377 said is true, the easiest way to gain torque and horsepower out of the normal Campro is:

1) Change the extractor to a metal one(aluminium aloy or stainless steel).
2) Throw the catalytic converter, u can get arnd 4-5 hp extra. (u might hurt mother nature by doing this)
3) Change ur exhaust piping to a stainless steel wan.
4) Remain the OEM muffler (dont ever change this, very important to maintain the back pressure of the engine)
5) Change ur air filter to a better flow wan, like K&amp;N but use the OEM(i.e the same shape with the original wan) type, not the open pod type. Too much air flow means, then u will need to configure the ECU.

Awak&#039;s method also can, but u will definetely need to reconfigure the ECU mapping after playing with the valve timing. Many related systems will be affected by this and might create &#039;knocking&#039; if never configure the ECU properly.  

Hope this helps!

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Automotive_Critics, what Prem3377 said is true, the easiest way to gain torque and horsepower out of the normal Campro is:</p>
<p>1) Change the extractor to a metal one(aluminium aloy or stainless steel).<br />
2) Throw the catalytic converter, u can get arnd 4-5 hp extra. (u might hurt mother nature by doing this)<br />
3) Change ur exhaust piping to a stainless steel wan.<br />
4) Remain the OEM muffler (dont ever change this, very important to maintain the back pressure of the engine)<br />
5) Change ur air filter to a better flow wan, like K&amp;N but use the OEM(i.e the same shape with the original wan) type, not the open pod type. Too much air flow means, then u will need to configure the ECU.</p>
<p>Awak&#8217;s method also can, but u will definetely need to reconfigure the ECU mapping after playing with the valve timing. Many related systems will be affected by this and might create &#8216;knocking&#8217; if never configure the ECU properly.  </p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Automotive_Critics</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189349</link>
		<dc:creator>Automotive_Critics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prem3377 said,
November 18, 2008 @ 4:03 pm 
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Thanks Prem..how about replacing the extractor? i noticed many forums are suggesting catalytic converter and extractor replacement together to improve the low end torque..Prem, do you have idea regarding the extractor? how it works?..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prem3377 said,<br />
November 18, 2008 @ 4:03 pm<br />
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Thanks Prem..how about replacing the extractor? i noticed many forums are suggesting catalytic converter and extractor replacement together to improve the low end torque..Prem, do you have idea regarding the extractor? how it works?..</p>
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		<title>By: Tengokaje..</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189340</link>
		<dc:creator>Tengokaje..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autojohndoe..thanks for the description.  Maybe not very interesting.. anyway thanks for sharing with others.  Wait for the final production la... like Si-Fu told earlier, the prototype not same as the final production.  

How about the name of this new baby..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autojohndoe..thanks for the description.  Maybe not very interesting.. anyway thanks for sharing with others.  Wait for the final production la&#8230; like Si-Fu told earlier, the prototype not same as the final production.  </p>
<p>How about the name of this new baby..</p>
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		<title>By: Prem3377</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2008/11/17/new-proton-mpv-baru-putra-heights/#comment-189328</link>
		<dc:creator>Prem3377</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction

so remember what i m suggesting to you is da cheapest way and awak suggested da best way..</description>
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<p>so remember what i m suggesting to you is da cheapest way and awak suggested da best way..</p>
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