Comments on: UAW rallies outside the Detroit Auto Show http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:11:59 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201683 Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:14:39 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201683 kingbrutal said, January 13, 2009 @ 7:07 pm hi moveJJE… Even though I agreed with your points (mostly :D)… you seem to misunderstood my intention. I was merely saying that their hourly rate is ridiculous. If we talked in USD, people might not understand the extend of this outrageous claim, that’s why I converted it into RM… And as PT outlined, the rate is high compared to other industry. BTW, since when are GM, Chrysler and Ford is considered higher ‘name’??? LOL… that is funny… ---------------------- in malaysia, volkswagen is a luxury car kingbrutal said,
January 13, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

hi moveJJE…

Even though I agreed with your points (mostly :D )… you seem to misunderstood my intention. I was merely saying that their hourly rate is ridiculous. If we talked in USD, people might not understand the extend of this outrageous claim, that’s why I converted it into RM… And as PT outlined, the rate is high compared to other industry.

BTW, since when are GM, Chrysler and Ford is considered higher ‘name’??? LOL… that is funny…

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in malaysia, volkswagen is a luxury car

]]> By: kingbrutal http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201502 kingbrutal Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:07:27 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201502 hi moveJJE... Even though I agreed with your points (mostly :D)... you seem to misunderstood my intention. I was merely saying that their hourly rate is ridiculous. If we talked in USD, people might not understand the extend of this outrageous claim, that's why I converted it into RM... And as PT outlined, the rate is high compared to other industry. BTW, since when are GM, Chrysler and Ford is considered higher 'name'??? LOL... that is funny... ;) hi moveJJE…

Even though I agreed with your points (mostly :D )… you seem to misunderstood my intention. I was merely saying that their hourly rate is ridiculous. If we talked in USD, people might not understand the extend of this outrageous claim, that’s why I converted it into RM… And as PT outlined, the rate is high compared to other industry.

BTW, since when are GM, Chrysler and Ford is considered higher ‘name’??? LOL… that is funny… ;)

]]> By: Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201493 Sex is wonderful, but it's like champagne.If you're forced to have four glasses at every meal you start to fantasize about water. Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:42:49 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201493 i'd move all production to europe, better quality and lower pay i’d move all production to europe, better quality and lower pay

]]> By: lchan http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201439 lchan Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:10:55 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201439 yea...but USD75/hr including perks is extremely high for an average US citizen. if i was GM..i'll just shut the plants down and do a mass recruitment again and weaken the union by at least 1/3. yea…but USD75/hr including perks is extremely high for an average US citizen. if i was GM..i’ll just shut the plants down and do a mass recruitment again and weaken the union by at least 1/3.

]]> By: moveJJE http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201354 moveJJE Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:37:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201354 Alo bro kingbrutal, dont easyly multiply USD75.86/hour to RM. Their living cost and our living cost its different. To make it same, just assume that RM75.86/hour (still high damn s**t.) I think, most of their workers have more than 10yrs xperience. In Japan nissan, average worker is 22yrs experience (imagine bro!!). So what do you think about their wages?. Same like 20yrs ago? Further more, their brand name is crysler, ford n GM, is it same with others? more higher rite? I was in Japan nissan this year. Imagine bro, Senior Foreman can afford GTR and their line foreman with Elgrand. Wat u think their salary? Yes, their being paid with huge salary, but even 1 min is count wheter benefit to company or not. Crazy man if cant even stop even minute. Their life being counted!! Alo bro kingbrutal,

dont easyly multiply USD75.86/hour to RM. Their living cost and our living cost its different. To make it same, just assume that RM75.86/hour (still high damn s**t.)

I think, most of their workers have more than 10yrs xperience. In Japan nissan, average worker is 22yrs experience (imagine bro!!). So what do you think about their wages?. Same like 20yrs ago?

Further more, their brand name is crysler, ford n GM, is it same with others? more higher rite?

I was in Japan nissan this year. Imagine bro, Senior Foreman can afford GTR and their line foreman with Elgrand. Wat u think their salary?

Yes, their being paid with huge salary, but even 1 min is count wheter benefit to company or not. Crazy man if cant even stop even minute. Their life being counted!!

]]> By: kingbrutal http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201322 kingbrutal Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:49:42 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201322 Apa ada dalam neraka??? USD75.86 per hour??? At current exchange of USD1 to RM3.57, that is about RM270.94 per hour!!!! Which means if you worked in a 8hour shift, that is RM2167.49 per day!!! That is more than most of us make in a month for heaven sake... No wonder the Detroit Big 3 is in a deep pile of manure now... And the best part is, for that amount of money being paid to them, they still produce crappy cars.... Well, better being paid huge salary now cause by year ends, they might all be out of work. Wonder if they will ask the same amount of salaries from foreign company? ;) Apa ada dalam neraka??? USD75.86 per hour??? At current exchange of USD1 to RM3.57, that is about RM270.94 per hour!!!! Which means if you worked in a 8hour shift, that is RM2167.49 per day!!! That is more than most of us make in a month for heaven sake… No wonder the Detroit Big 3 is in a deep pile of manure now… And the best part is, for that amount of money being paid to them, they still produce crappy cars…. Well, better being paid huge salary now cause by year ends, they might all be out of work. Wonder if they will ask the same amount of salaries from foreign company? ;)

]]> By: SY0H http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201234 SY0H Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:33:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201234 Owh thanks, typing error. Owh thanks, typing error.

]]> By: fastcx http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201209 fastcx Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:18:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201209 SY0H: its UAW, United Auto Workers, not UMW SY0H: its UAW, United Auto Workers, not UMW

]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201191 mystvearn Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:53:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201191 Never mind. After what US did to Palestine. Let all big 3 go down is good enough for me. Let there be beggers in the richest coutnry in the world! Never mind. After what US did to Palestine. Let all big 3 go down is good enough for me. Let there be beggers in the richest coutnry in the world!

]]> By: Xx- Ferrari -xX http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201190 Xx- Ferrari -xX Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:51:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201190 watever !!! watever !!!

]]> By: tiadaid http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201188 tiadaid Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:42:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201188 common-sensor said, January 12, 2009 @ 5:37 pm UAW are selfish lot that thinks only for themselves without much consideration on total benefit to the industries. There is a person in Malaysia with similar mentality to these UAW > the CUEPACS president! ---------------------------------------------------------- Of course, CUEPACS is a union. Union people think alike, I guess. But I see why the UAW is fussing over this problem, since the blue collar workers who are currently working in the factories have to bear the brunt of the economic meltdown, whereas the retirees and the fat cats upstairs have contributed little to help save the company, from what I understand of this article. Why can't they slash evenly and fairly from top to bottom? Secondly, I think it's time for GM, Chrysler and, to a lesser extent Ford, to start expanding their horizon, in that they should think global in creating their cars, not just the American market. Sure the market there is huge, but with Americans flocking to the Japanese carmakers with their frugal and environmentally friendly cars, where else can they market their cars? Toyota and the rest are successful because their cars are suitable wherever they're marketed. Take a Toyota Camry and use it either in Japan or M'sia or India or Europe or America and it will fit right in, whereas if you use a Caddy here in Malaysia, it wouldn't be as practical. I believe that it's time for them to make a paradigm shift, before they lose more money, and ultimately head towards bankruptcy & the end. common-sensor said,

January 12, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

UAW are selfish lot that thinks only for themselves without much consideration on total benefit to the industries. There is a person in Malaysia with similar mentality to these UAW > the CUEPACS president!

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Of course, CUEPACS is a union. Union people think alike, I guess.

But I see why the UAW is fussing over this problem, since the blue collar workers who are currently working in the factories have to bear the brunt of the economic meltdown, whereas the retirees and the fat cats upstairs have contributed little to help save the company, from what I understand of this article. Why can’t they slash evenly and fairly from top to bottom?

Secondly, I think it’s time for GM, Chrysler and, to a lesser extent Ford, to start expanding their horizon, in that they should think global in creating their cars, not just the American market. Sure the market there is huge, but with Americans flocking to the Japanese carmakers with their frugal and environmentally friendly cars, where else can they market their cars? Toyota and the rest are successful because their cars are suitable wherever they’re marketed. Take a Toyota Camry and use it either in Japan or M’sia or India or Europe or America and it will fit right in, whereas if you use a Caddy here in Malaysia, it wouldn’t be as practical. I believe that it’s time for them to make a paradigm shift, before they lose more money, and ultimately head towards bankruptcy & the end.

]]> By: SY0H http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201182 SY0H Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:46:54 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201182 Hai, Its difficult to say it out loud actually. Let us take an example, imagine if our (Malaysia) working salary is to be standardized with other foreign workers (Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Nepal and etc.). I'm sure not even one of us could afford to buy a second hand Kancil! But I can see your point Paul, if UMW workers are mostly consists of local workers (Americans) then, the other companies Daimler, Ford and GM are sure damn generous with their pay slips! We can't entirely blame Daimler, Ford and GM; who doesn't want a higher salary please raise your hand? Then again, now that the company has been bailed out by the US Government, they should cut down at least some of these budgets. Hey, at least they still can keep their jobs. And please do not aim the blue collar workers only, those overpaid CEO should be blamed as well. But, these 3 gigantic companies must cut down any unnecessary cost. I can see, they even provide "dental care" benefit. Perghhh! They aren't much of these benefits offered by the private sectors in Malaysia. Alas, these Americans should be sent over here in Malaysia to see how they could cope up with our Malaysian low wages and higher working-load conditions. Hai,

Its difficult to say it out loud actually. Let us take an example, imagine if our (Malaysia) working salary is to be standardized with other foreign workers (Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Nepal and etc.). I’m sure not even one of us could afford to buy a second hand Kancil!

But I can see your point Paul, if UMW workers are mostly consists of local workers (Americans) then, the other companies Daimler, Ford and GM are sure damn generous with their pay slips! We can’t entirely blame Daimler, Ford and GM; who doesn’t want a higher salary please raise your hand? Then again, now that the company has been bailed out by the US Government, they should cut down at least some of these budgets. Hey, at least they still can keep their jobs. And please do not aim the blue collar workers only, those overpaid CEO should be blamed as well.

But, these 3 gigantic companies must cut down any unnecessary cost. I can see, they even provide “dental care” benefit. Perghhh! They aren’t much of these benefits offered by the private sectors in Malaysia.

Alas, these Americans should be sent over here in Malaysia to see how they could cope up with our Malaysian low wages and higher working-load conditions.

]]> By: common-sensor http://paultan.org/2009/01/12/uaw-rallies-outside-the-detroit-auto-show/#comment-201180 common-sensor Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:37:31 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=11074#comment-201180 UAW are selfish lot that thinks only for themselves without much consideration on total benefit to the industries. There is a person in Malaysia with similar mentality to these UAW > the CUEPACS president! UAW are selfish lot that thinks only for themselves without much consideration on total benefit to the industries. There is a person in Malaysia with similar mentality to these UAW > the CUEPACS president!

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