Comments on: Proton Exora 7-seater MPV interior details revealed!

By: AbeEnd59

AbeEnd59 — Tue, 12 May 2009 23:31:28 +0000

Entah ler,….the price emm…may not justify to Msian citizen. The price looks quit low, but interest rate….So, ++ total=Not Justify

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By: jawe persona

jawe persona — Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:06:06 +0000

dah ada di showroom , apa lagi tengok sendiri test,klu tak puas ati jgn beli

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By: JEBAT DERHAKA

JEBAT DERHAKA — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:08:48 +0000

Saya amat menghargai kepentingan pengguna termasuk diri saya, namun apa yang kita harapkan satu produk yang betul-betul terjamin dan boleh dianggap mesra pengguna. Setiap sen yang kita keluarkan adalah wang hasil titik peluh kita sendiri. Kalau yang berhutang dengan Finance tu tiap-tiap bulan dok nak kena bayar. Jika hasil produk yang terjual tidak mencapai ISO dan mendapat kepuasan pengguna atau pembeli, ini amat mengeciwakan. Pihak pengeluar harus bertanggungjawab kepada pengguna, namun apa yang saya ingin perkatakan, tidak salah kita membuat komen tapi biarlah komen yang membina. Kalau kita asyik menghentam je produk tempatan dan apa lebihnya produk orang asing yang kita import? jelasnya setiap pengeluar ada style masing-masing untuk menarik minat pembeli untuk melariskan jualannya dan terpulanglah pada kita yang mempunyai selera yang berza-beza, jikalau kita rasa MPV buatan Malaysia ini baik dan ingin memberi sokongan, apa yang dinantikan lagi beli ajelah jika tidak tepuk dada tanya selera, duit-duti tuan dan tuan berhak untuk memilih. Tuan-tuan adalah pengguna dan pembeli yang bijaksana, justeru itu gunakanlah kebijaksanaan tuan-tuan, pilihlah diantara kaca atau pun permata.

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By: zoolf

zoolf — Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:05:22 +0000

I'm not sure whether anyone had said this, but I think the decision to let the LCD player use FM transmitter is actually smart. Because now most hand phone have radio, so passengers can listen to the movie personally. No need to have high tech speakers with directional speakers focus to one person. So passengers who don't want to watch the movie won't be annoyed by the audio.

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By: Arise

Arise — Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:53:52 +0000

Protonsavvy,

Can you elaborate more on the income tax paying issue ? Who are the ppl not paying to IRB ? You have any facts for your claims ?

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By: ProtonSavvy

ProtonSavvy — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:49:23 +0000

The good Car compare avanza 1.5 ….

nice designed…let give proton to show their effort…

I still remember how toyota avanza also got underpower issues caused by engine cc and quality …So when compare Exora off course will left avanza or innova out..of competition…So The quality of proton has some improvement .Need to push QA and QC department to make sure proton quality is up to standard…..I Thought Government shuld increase the custom duty to imported car..let the richer pay more n punish some people of Malysia who not pay income tax……Govrnment actually has idea to reduce excise duty for car but the stuborn people not pay income tax…to IRB that why we as Malaysian not able to buy cheapest car in the region….because the excise duty totally direct income for government fund…

To people always ask more…think before post why ur always compare local car manufactured to developed countries better ur compare third world with third world more fair……..Which countries from third world produce car or motorcycle

Shame on some arrogant Malaysians who still show their emotional against PROTON.

No body perfect except god…..

PROTON IS NATION PRIDE…Dont let your mind conquered by perception..

Overally EXORA will be the new icon to PROTON…

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By: Arise

Arise — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:35:55 +0000

[quote comment="226401"]The defect KL boy…, pls with all due respect… full hearted, smileys and even a ceremony… pls.. go to australia or uk or us or europe…. pls..

i dun think you deserve to be a malaysian…. go to where ever u wanna go… live there, get ur education there, work there….. i wish your life will be better and u can buy any car brand that u like… be it F, L, AM, M, etc….

but if somehow u find life is difficult there and you cannot get what u want… come back to malaysia… Malaysia will always welcome u back with warm heart..

To… i've live in UK before, been around europe….. but u kno what Malaysia is still the best compare to those places.. ^-^[/quote]

thinking,

Mind sharing with us here your overseas living experience ? Thanks, bro.

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By: Thinking

Thinking — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:07:54 +0000

The defect KL boy…, pls with all due respect… full hearted, smileys and even a ceremony… pls.. go to australia or uk or us or europe…. pls..

but if somehow u find life is difficult there and you cannot get what u want… come back to malaysia… Malaysia will always welcome u back with warm heart..

To… i've live in UK before, been around europe….. but u kno what Malaysia is still the best compare to those places.. ^-^

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By: mim79

mim79 — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:33:54 +0000

u can go then, u don deserve to be a malaysian.

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By: shumichi

shumichi — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:01:50 +0000

so nice MPV.. harga perpatutan.. harap kualiti nye ok lah..

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By: The defect KL boy

The defect KL boy — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:41:51 +0000

The Proton Persona exterior and interior looks wonderful for a Malaysian design car. However I am here to critique about the Pricing and the Quality of Proton. Proton, by comparison is similiar to KIA, Hyudai and other korean car makes( where the company motive is to earn money rather than to create a distintive reputation of the car, for example: Volvo= safety).. So Malaysian has been brain wash( especially those that are not highlky educated) that Proton is a cheap car for the Malaysian to own. For god sake, the cheapest proton car is the saga which is 31k and the normal mid range Persona is 50k.. Imagine a basic fresh graduate salary is about RM 3000 and u really need a car. So u take a loan then and of course u will charge with interest ( Unless ur rich u can pay outright.. I bet someone who has that money would but that car). So if u choose 50k persona and with the interest, you end up paying around 55k( depends on the plan u choose). In all western nations, basically most people would also earn the same as malaysia. HOWEVER, the car pricing there is different. For 50k u can get A MERCEDES BENZ BRAND NEW… So Fuck u Proton for bullying us. About the quality, U know is always down to drain. My dad own a proton iswara for 14 years now and he says is a good car than any other car. But in my heart, i can tell that he doesn't like the car at all- is because we can't afford overseas make is because the stupid gov impose high tax on these cars. AND Again i would like to say fuck u to the man behind the proton ( not our former PM). The one that manage proton..

And thats why i study and plan to mirgate to Australia now have good life.

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By: The defect KL boy

The defect KL boy — Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:40:00 +0000

The Proton Exora exterior and interior looks wonderful for a Malaysian design MPV. However I am here to critique about the Pricing and the Quality of Proton. Proton, by comparison is similiar to KIA, Hyudai and other korean car makes( where the company motive is to earn money rather than to create a distintive reputation of the car, for example: Volvo= safety).. So Malaysian has been brain wash( especially those that are not highlky educated) that Proton is a cheap car for the Malaysian to own. For god sake, the cheapest proton car is the saga which is 31k and the normal mid range Persona is 50k.. Imagine a basic fresh graduate salary is about RM 3000 and u really need a car. So u take a loan then and of course u will charge with interest ( Unless ur rich u can pay outright.. I bet someone who has that money would but that car). So if u choose 50k persona and with the interest, you end up paying around 55k( depends on the plan u choose). In all western nations, basically most people would also earn the same as malaysia. HOWEVER, the car pricing there is different. For 50k u can get A MERCEDES BENZ BRAND NEW… So Fuck u Proton for bullying us. About the quality, U know is always down to drain. My dad own a proton iswara for 14 years now and he says is a good car than any other car. But in my heart, i can tell that he doesn't like the car at all- is because we can't afford overseas make is because the stupid gov impose high tax on these cars. AND Again i would like to say fuck u to the man behind the proton ( not our former PM). The one that manage proton..

And thats why i study and plan to migrate to Australia have good life.

Uni student

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By: RL

RL — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:57:54 +0000

i rather go for a lamborghini gallardo spyder than this proton.

even though its alot more exp.=X.

haha.

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By: eric

eric — Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:07:26 +0000

if the price lower up to 65k for the m model ,should be acceptable,but to be frank we have to look at the exact model before we give further comment , i was thinking to change my waja to mpv ,but if the price was so high i rather go for T avanza .

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By: Man

Man — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:26:27 +0000

Looks good. Well done Proton.

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By: datsun_kana

datsun_kana — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:00:00 +0000

Thats simple situation about bashing local cars. Its all about "perception". Theres are pros and cons related to what happen to p1 cars problem i.e, designing and essembling matters that happen before. But, its proven today the problem is reduced. However, the perception is still goes around us infact of compairing of market price,spec and the important thing is, BRANDING. Branding is not come easily like 'makan kacang' its come by ESTABLISHING IN PERCEPTION and the perception is becomes from the efforts to fullfill of customer aspiration.Perception is give a momentum to customer to buy even that car comes in same many standard level features with local cars.

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By: datsun_kana

datsun_kana — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:29:57 +0000

[quote comment="213230"]ermm i think avanza is 1.5 and the price is 60k++..so what the different with Exore price..

i think malaysian want all proton car to be price at below rm30k kot..then with super low interest rate, with 20years repayment..[/quote]

thats true, and then, p1 just left his name and becomes a history of malaysian auto maker.

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By: farghmee

farghmee — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:42:21 +0000

offtopic>>

cmne crash rating exora?

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By: msi

msi — Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:06:40 +0000

nasib aku blum kawen lagi..klu tak da lama aku book.

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By: wong jowo

wong jowo — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:49:56 +0000

klu dah banyak duit beli je lah, Wish,Stream jgn nak kondem kereta tempatan. harga nak murah nak murah , power, leather seat , sendiri mau ingatlah.

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By: acerman

acerman — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:46:43 +0000

Is this the Exora thread or the CPS or the Neo thread? I'm a little bit confuse here.

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By: upinipin

upinipin — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:20:33 +0000

Sifu… does this Exora comes with glass tinting?

I read somewhere in MTM forum that it might come with tinted glass. Any comment?

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By: zaman97

zaman97 — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:20:12 +0000

I'm not a technical person, just ordinary driver with famili. hoping that the price is affordable, service after sales is good even after number of exora increases, quality is 'certified', and it is spacious… any how thank you guys with the technical info

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By: si-fu

si-fu — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:46:31 +0000

[quote comment="215688"]i have my own formula comparing existing gbox, given a normal satria neo 1.6 5mt,

- neo 1.6 basic campro 5th gear ratio x(multiply) final drive

-neo 1.6 cps

5th gear ratio x

final drive,

if neo cps, product of multipication is lower then it runs at lower rev for given speed,

if neo cps product of multipication is at higher value than basic campro neo so it runs at higher rev per given speed,

if normal campro 1.6 is known for its speed per given rpm,

so the new th 1,6 cps speed can be easy calculated, using equation.

im sorry sifu ,i was too much, but i want the car ,im a fan of hatch, certain aspect which i cant,,,[/quote]

Awak by calculation,

The normal Neo (M-Line) has these figures:

5th gear ratio : 0.804

Final Drive ratio : 4.052

Tyre circumference (195/50 R16) : 74.36 inch

so per engine rev the distance travelled is : 22.825 inch

Per 1000rpm, the speed is : 34.785 kmh

To achive 100kmh ur RPM is : 2875RPM

The exact RPM for NEO CPS in 5th gear to achive 100kmh is: 2918RPM

So i think a difference of 43RPM is not that big (u wont even notice it)….i hope u reconsider ur choice. I will suggest, u go for the NEO CPS. Trust me, its worth every single penny of urs

Btw there is a mistake in my second eqn, it shud be like this:

Speed (mph) = Distance (MILES) x 1000RPM x 60(min/hr)

*U need to change the distance from inch to mile

*To get speed in kmh convert the final value since its in mph

Cheers!

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By: Salamander

Salamander — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:26:18 +0000

Awak,

Since Neo CPS has better torque and BHP. Why dont you change the Tyre to be R17 or even R18? Since Si-Fu example was based on R16 tyre. More inch more distance traver per revoultion thus less rpm.

p/s: But you need to constantly calculating you speed since the speedo meter wont tell you the actual figure lol.

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By: zool

zool — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:59:00 +0000

I use to end my comment with cheers too. It is a word use widely by the British after ending a sentence or comment. But I am just a guy who like to read about cars.

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By: awak

awak — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:03:09 +0000

i have my own formula comparing existing gbox, given a normal satria neo 1.6 5mt,

- neo 1.6 basic campro 5th gear ratio x(multiply) final drive

-neo 1.6 cps 5th gear ratio x final drive,

if neo cps, product of multipication is lower then it runs at lower rev for given speed,

if neo cps product of multipication is at higher value than basic campro neo so it runs at higher rev per given speed,

if normal campro 1.6 is known for its speed per given rpm,

so the new th 1,6 cps speed can be easy calculated, using equation.

im sorry sifu ,i was too much, but i want the car ,im a fan of hatch, certain aspect which i cant,,,

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By: awak

awak — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:32:11 +0000

thanks a lot sifu,

i use to drive my brother satria gti its 3000 per 100, its ok to drive on normal road overtaking, picking up, although its known suffering at lower end since its using siemen, but its easily overcomed by the cc advantage,

then not for long,

on the highway if wanting to drive 120 the engine is high at 4000 0r so rpm, while other just at cruising lazy engine also at 120,

actually i do hope this neo cps at least 2800 / 100 for my long distance.

so given 2900/100 is less likely less of my wanting.,very near to 3000/100.

yeh, we cant have 6 speed, its different story not worth to discuss,

in short its a combination that have to be sorted due to the character of the car, to sort things out within 5 foward gear,

if normal neo has more relax engine at its 5th, while cps is noisyer, i would prefer normal neo gear arrangement, because if we count on accleration ,its only tenth of the second, almost not that much significant,

if i not mistaken normal neo can be pushed 6000/220, simply mean 3000/110 which is reasonable enough, for cruise,

if the satria neo cps given 2900/100 so at 3000 its only gives you 103,

103 as opposed to 110 its a lot different, per 3000,

i would very much prefer the normal neo g.box,

i order one of the cps, havent know the detail spec of the gearbox, not until you tell me, the car not even reach the Edar yet, so it makes me think again,

why? i ocassionally drive the gti (brothers) i really hate driving constant 4000 -5000, yes its fast , but others can go with less over work engine,

hoping this neo cps would overcome my interest of highe speed cruise, fantasizing that i would easily pass other fast cars in relax manner seemed very unlikely,

im a very careful on spec, before buying cars, i want a new experience, i dont want 3000/100 of the yesteryears, and now i only get 2900, that wouldnt really qualify my need,

i just wonder cps is actually 3 steped tuned, if it has simmilar g.b. as normal neo its ok i think, because it has torque advantage,

if it true 2900/100 im sorry ,well pity me. i will cancel my order, eventough i got my loan approval already, ill lost my deposit, i have to, turn to other proton model for deposit transfer, (because i will buy only proton cars)

(i think proton need to come up with more detail spec on transmission as well so that so that people like me and others make some evaluation before purchasing specific proton model ),

sifu thank you for your imformation

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By: brutal_driverz

brutal_driverz — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:31:26 +0000

masih ragu2 ttg sambutan org ramai terhdp MPV ni.just tengok dr jauh sajalah kesudahannya.

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By: si-fu

si-fu — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:47:39 +0000

[quote comment="215348"]the cps allow longer gearing. and you can really feel the difference in the manual on the open road”

this a quote by engineer, in CBT

SIFU,,

please clearify this for me, it is due to the change of a final drive and 2, 3rd gear recalibration, is this translate pickup sensation on 1 2 3 and relax low rpm at 5th?- that what i presume,

sifu , this is my question, ill be glad if i found the answer, at least it appease me. im about owning this baby,

ill be glad if neo cps beside sporty, it a cruiser with relax engine, 2500 at 100 for instance,

or its different from what i expected??

thanks sifu

(sorry paul a bit off topic)[/quote]

Awak,

What happened in the Neo CPS was the 3rd and 4th gear ratio has been increased to give better accelaration and power….however the 5th gear ratio is reduced to give a relax driving and to cruise easily in the highways and better fuel economy (This is in comparison with the normal Neo). The final drive ratio is the number of 'turns' ur transmission turns to turn the wheel one revolution. So actually u can calculate roughly what ur speed will be at certain rpm if u have the final drive ratio, gear ratios and the tire circumference. The final drive ratio of the Neo CPS is 4.312(MT)-the normal Neo has a lower value which is 4.052 (higher the number, better accelaration but less top speed) and the tire size is 195/50 R16 so that translates to a circumference of 74.36inch. And the 5th gear the Neo CPS ratio is 0.767.

So the distance that can be travelled for one engine revolution is about 22.48 inch in 5th gear.

eqn : distance = (circumference)/ (gear ratio x final drive ratio)

So per 1000rpm, u will be travelling about 34.265 kmh/1000rpm

eqn : speed (mph) = distance(inch) x 1000rpm x 60(min/hr)

*to get in kmh convert the miles to km

So in average, to achive 100km/h, ur rpm will be arnd 2900 RPM

So in conclusion, there is always a balance between accelaration, top speed, gear ratios and final drive ratios. We need to find the perfect balance according to the characteristics of the car, so the best can be obtain.

Cheers!

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