but if you think City or pretty is adorable, then why not this? 207

i hate the stupid milo thin city,

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will probably be close to the 206 service bill but my sources seem to be not keen on this model for malaysia due to the malaysian love affair with japanese models.

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the 110bhp jp4 is alright but obviously an extra 10bhp is much welcome in any NA engine car. but noted that the jp4s torque of 143Nm @ 3750rpm is slightly lower (less by 4 Nm) than what the jp4 engine can produced (at slightly higher rpm thou).

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there's even a tu5jp4s which i saw in wikipedia (fitted to the citroen c2 vts). the 's' engine comes with 120hp but i think peugeot won't be so kind as to give malaysians that engine at the same price as the jp4.

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The 2.0L needs higher road tax, need to replace timing belt, and this and that. Anyhow I see it, the THP still sound so much better.

But but,… but then… this will need to be a hatch only fun. The sedan just doesn't have the look at all. The sedan version looks more like a family car and for people who want boot space and such.

It should be in hatch form and will stand a chance against it's rivals.

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The current 206 (Bestari) is already selling at RM68K,

But what spec might it be getting?

Firstly, I'd say:

1. No rebagde; It should remain Peugeot badge; how will it impact the pricing? BUT STILL, never rebadge it, it'll just cause more problems and damages to both parties, the dealer and the owners.

2. No more 1.4L engine, they should bring in the 1.6L; 1.4L in Malaysian market is doing pretty badly. If possible, bring in the EP6 engine instead of the older version; People always look on technologies of the engine, the EP6 will be more demanding, competitive and also "feels" more realiable.

I'm just wondering how much can the price be? RM63K-RM68K is really a surprise if it's a 1.6L, as usually a newer models rarely goes cheaper moreover with higher specs and so on.

But pricing is one thing, what will the specs be; No point having cars like the Vios J, it'll just destroy the brand and make it look cheap. At least the specs should be good. If possible add some luxury to the models by having digital air-cond and such. The digital air-cond can really bring out class and makes the car dash stands out and feels more luxury/class.

Another important thing is, also mentioned by others, no matter how cheap the car gets, it's pointless without good after-sales services, parts availability and pricing. How much does the parts cost? It should be justifiable to the price of the car, no point having the parts total up can buy you additional 2-3 units or even more! Take a look at current 206, I still don't find the parts is reasonable and justifiable to the car price. If people buy and they need to replace something and it cost them a bomb, in the end, it spoils the reputation, the brand, etc. and all the hardwork and sales is all wasted.

You can sell, but with poor after-sales services, support and justifiable/reasonable parts pricing, it's useless at the end; Ended up working harder to sell, and more effort, more money spend on advertising, etc.

Lastly, if possible, I'd strongly suggest bring in the "actual" 207 rather than this. This has too much mixed reviews and will just have more people giving bad reviews/critics instead. Harder to sell, harder to convince, etc.

In the end, if it shares the same fate as the current Bestari, it'll just be worst and we might be seeing same thing happening to 206 now?

But I wonder how much will the actual 207 cost instead.

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Price if rm73-78K – high probabilty of puny sale. if Nasim want some impact, best to lower it further.

if rm63-68K (as you asked/mentioned before), it will have a fighting chance to obtain respectable sale figure, especially if the 1.6L +automatic gearbox is price in the middle of the range.

if badged as naza, will be poorly accepted, i would say. customer will want the Peugeot badge. why waste buyer money to 'transform' it back to Peugeot when it is totally opposite to 'market demand' (i assume). beside it will be view as kinda expensive @ rm63-68K as a naza. but it will be view as an acceptable / attractive / fantastic priced car if its a Peugeot.

2.0gti engine? that will be great if price variance is kept to a minimum. but doesn't it seem to be an overkill for a 207 sedan to have 138bhp? ntl, it might proved to be a marketing stroke of genius, served to 'dampen' the critic over the rear portion and the rear passenger space thou.. (who care much about the butt when it is very possible for the 207 sedan to be able to seriously challenge or tapau the civic and/or lancer in a straight line!). Personally, i found the 207 sedan rear portion style to be gracefully inspired by the ultra expensive 607 rear portion line & design but many non-Peugeot customer might not aware thus appreciate this similarity in style.

Alas, a 2.0L 207 sedan will have its own market thou, but as limited quantity offering (halo model for 207 sedan model) beside the 1.6L. or it could copycat what happened to the 308 CKD.

Pricing strategy is king here. but it is not 'absolute monarch', more like our Agong, got power but hand a bit tied.

The specification should be a little overwhelming (as usual) i supposed. at least it should match B-segment competitors in many aspects and crush the 'opposition' in a few 'to-be-highlighted' areas. beside the obvious specifications, the listed spec below might be well worth to be considered:

in no particular fashion:

digital air-cond, auto headlights (or wipers), enhanced MFD with fuel average, distance covered etc, 'upgradeable' audio system with 6-speakers (inc 2 twetters), rear headrests, leather-wrapped steering and gearknob (or even leather seats!), sprinkle some chrome/aluminium parts here and there (fuel filler cap?), short radio antenna at the back of the roof, body-coloured body/door trim, auto cruise control, 'sporty' rear exhaust (unlike 'impotent ' bestari one's), driver armrest cum storage box… the list could goes on, but enuff lah.

1.6L or 2.0L with manual gearbox, again in limited quantity, might push the sale figure a bit more.

p/s: 15" rim is ideal rather than little 14".

What say you?

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1) if badged as peugeot?

2) if badged as naza?

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since i'm asking so many questions, i think i'll just add one more. what if they plonk the 206gti (2.0) engine into this car?[/quote]

Mostly people will say it is high maintenance because it is a 2.0liter. High fc. The usual stuff merry around again.

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sheesh… bila pembeli T, atau H jadi minitowkay huh? bodoh!

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since i'm asking so many questions, i think i'll just add one more. what if they plonk the 206gti (2.0) engine into this car?

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psa group manufacturers their own shock absorbers and are probably the only one that does not use an oem supplier. i guess it is to safeguard their shock absorber technology… ala kentucky fried chicken and their 11 herbs and spices!!

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Cost-wise, the target market of the 207 sedan is very much not the BLM buyer. it might clash with the Persona as the price gap is not so big, although rm8-10K is a lot of money for people that realisticly could only afford a Persona. it might be similarly priced against the Waja but its a different segment car so its not a Waja competition. It will fight in the ultra competitive B segment but not looking to create any new Malaysian records, i supposed. That 'race' is a straight fight between T & H (for non-national car), eventhough i suspect that the 207 sedan will have asking price advantage over the T & H equivalent offerings.

Looks. most sedan that were derived from hatchback look like an afterthought. even if it is not. this is easy meat for basher alike. the 207 sedan rear portion couldn't properly hide it as well. so does all others. we were so use to the proportion of it hatchback cousin. but if people could buy the old city, latio sedan and the new dugong/vios, what it tell us is that look itself is not the all overiding factor for car in this category / price bracket.

there are many other factors to be considered that i shall not go into all of them for the time being for fear of runnig out of space

as lowprofile mentioned, safe money prediction is that the sale number will not be great, its not a threat to City, Vios, P1 and P2 products at all. Any one expect it to create a slug fest with the above is gonna be dissappointed (unless of course if Nasim price it too attractive, it might just create a stir in the pond).

All Peugeot offerings currently are alternative to the obvious, take the 308 for an example, it just made more affordable and viable, as an option than ever before. Agree?

and i suspect Nasim are not looking for those buyers who 'calculate' every single thing in car ownership and maintenance, as this rather 'problematic' owners are best left in the realm of P1, P2, T & H world.

Nasim might want to position this car to be attractive to 'rationale' and 'realistic' type of customer, who understand and accept the concept and reality that there is a price for everything. The kiasu that want all thing cheapest and of ultimate quality will surely not go for this car and thank God for that.

To own a continental car in Bolehland need a paradigm shift in mentality. We all know continental offerings have long suffered under bias Govt. automotive car policy isince 20+ years ago. But recently it seems to have its own mini revolution or come back, no less thanks to Nasim business acumen.

It is somewhat a 'new trend' and hopefully Nasim might be able to sustain the trend and convince as much people as possible that this 'new trend' or 'project' is a sound and safe proposition (and shall not be abandon mid-way).

In our market situation, Peugeot is an 'emotional' product. And they should market it that way (with some bread-and-butter strengh to back it up too).

Right now it couldn't match the easiness of service provided by the big players, long established and entrenched in the market and people mind. But what the distributors looks committed to do is to improve, by leap and bound, in the aspect (of easiness and lower cost of service and maintenance). Quick check at their website reveals that they have presence (service centres) in Klang Valley, Gurun – Kedah, Penang, Butterworth (soon!), Ipoh, Seremban, Melaka, JB, Kuantan, KT, Kemaman (?), Kota Baru, KK and Kuching (to name a few). Seem like a nationwide network to me.. Of course this must be further improved as things get along / over time.

The inter-related areas (sales and aftersales) need to raise simultaneously to order for the 'new trend' to survive and grow. The 207 sedan is another efforts in this path.

If they succeed, we all would have another viable alternative to current limited choice.

Therefore, from consumer point of view, why do we want a 'project' to create an alternative / more competition 'to the obvious' to not succeed?

Isn't it the more the merrier? The more choices, the better?

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The reason why the 206 sedan is more expensive then the BLM is bcos the government tax it to the max. If the BLM is priced the same as the 206 sedan, will you buy the same car ah?

What a cock sucka!

[quote comment="219343"][quote comment="219288"]This 207 sedan (aka 206 sedan) if price right (within RM75-78K range for a starter? Better if lower.. Just a blind guess, okay?) will be Peugeot's own Vios and City (similar in concept as in T & H strategy of entry level sedan car a.k.a. bread-and-butter car).[/quote]

This car is dead meat if they priced it at 70K++. I think 60K++ is more likely. But still, Proper specs Proton Saga BLM with 1.6 CPS can easily match this car and still it will be a lot cheaper to buy and to maintain.[/quote]

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This car is dead meat if they priced it at 70K++. I think 60K++ is more likely. But still, Proper specs Proton Saga BLM with 1.6 CPS can easily match this car and still it will be a lot cheaper to buy and to maintain.[/quote]

what if it is between maybe 63k and 68k then? remember, this car could be priced near to the protons but nasim is probably not looking so much for the proton buyers to cross over as proton buyers will place cost of ownership above everything else. of course if there are any, it will be good news for nasim.

they would probably be looking at 206 owners or even those who owned the 306 before who had always wanted a small peugeot sedan instead. yeah the number will not be great but i guess as more buy into the brand, the opportunity to expand is stronger. another demographic is probably those who had experienced european cars before in other countries and would appreciate the difference that the 207 sedan offers compared to other local offerings.

the vios j auto at slightly above 70k seems to be selling. not a fantastic specced car without even in-cabin air flow direction but still selling nonetheless due to toyota's reputation in aftersales. nasim will probably spec the 207 sedan (if it comes in lah) like a christmas tree to ensure that it is competitive.

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The 206 has its own appeal to a market segment who prefer conti ride & handling, safety, fuel-efficiency and refinement. If Im not mistaken, this European COTY winner got 4-star euroNCAP safety rating, and its engineering for fun and comfort driving pleasure. The technological superiority is far advanced from BLM or any japanese B-segment model during its heyday (even the current ones), and the target market is also different. Some people are willing to put in their hard earned money to buy this car, and they dont mind because they appreciate the niceties that Conti cars can offer. So please don't blindly bash that the 206 or its variants are bad. Drive it first, and comment later on.

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But as for entry-level sedan, id rather get a Persona, in terms of looks. But I have no idea about maintenance cost of Peugeot in Malaysia.

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use the cheaper cars to build brand first then move up market.

although between a proton and a peugeot, which would you choose.

i take peugeot despite how ugly it looks cause of heritage. LOL.

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I wouldn't mind buying one since I reckon the boot space should be more voluminous[/quote]

Afterthought. Yeah, the same goes to Latio Sedan and Sedan version of Swift.

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