The people who give strong support to Proton yet they are the victim! Proton as a National Car should take up the responsible as per statement released by Bernama on 30th Dec that any application received by 31st Oct 2009 should process accordingly. This is very basic social responsibility needs to fulfill by Proton! It is a joke if Proton has a strong team of lawyers to defend the cases despite so many efforts have been put in to build the image and brand reputation. This is lower mindset and do not have big picture or vision in mind; and always will act a "Kampung Hero"!

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As government mini budget they offer 200mil for automotive fund. Why they don't want to gave same rights or authorize other automotive company to gave the oppunity to gave the scrapping scheme.

Government still will enjoy the TAX from those company right! why don't they consider on all other company in Malaysia. This is my suggestion or idea only.

It's like we are bonded within a range of choosing the car between two company's only.

I suggest that goverment should review the scheme and provide other company as well..

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Just in case you are not aware, Without applying special "Taxes in any form", a Honda Accord 3.0l is merely selling for Australian Dollar @ 30,000. That is actually cheaper than Perdana V6 2.0l

And a Honda City can be cheaper than Waja too….

I fail to see how Protong save Rakyat Money.

Again, you might claim that buying a Protong keep the money within Malaysia, But in whose pocket you are referring to?

I don't think it's in my pocket…

Definitely not in the pocket of any Rakyat Malaysia in the street…

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We do know far year ago, Proton cant live long with only rakyat support. It need go to outside to oversea to find more change. Have been over 20 year and now over and over, mostly family have own 1 of Proton car and on the road full with Proton, but it still need under protect. Do our $$ spend on the true way?

Thanks to buckrogers to give me true. The wikipedia.jp give me very outdated information.

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Those so call knows economy sure knows what is a protected-economy harm can done to a country, and instead of speaking shallow understanding like keep spending, which is to channels all the $$ to some fat man's pocket rather than the whole industries. Only true competition in the market will benefits all the consumers. Look around and you will realized the price of TVs, computers are cheap even against other countries, but the CAR is absolutely nuts due to a monopolized situation. Our country only knows how to controlled the resources and jack up the price to earn $$ for certain group of people. That is the fact.

Probably I don't realized some people likes to be feed like the past 50 years.

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Without P1 & P2, we will be able to buy a City at lower price than Waja.

What's the reason behind this difference?

Those maggots that sucks up all funding and cause the dismay of P1 & P2.

(Sorry, maybe it's only P1, I guess P2 is doing better, I should leave it out)

All the price difference we paid for over the last decade, I think is quite significant and can also help us out during this bad time…

Imaging the total unit transacted over the last decade, say about RM10-15k each… That's ten of billions also…[/quote]

Do you really think that by having cheap foreign car it will help us out? Hardly! It will NOT help us out at all! Sure, you may get the car of your dreams, but be prepared to trade your future!

Do you really think buying foreign products is good? When you buy a foreign product money goes OUT of the country.[/quote]

I know buying foreign product means giving the country of origin profit. Bottomline is, is there any country in this little earth that "Don't need to buy anything" from another country??

The idea is not to stop buying, but more into "How to make full use of $$ in hand". And smartly controlling what you give and take to/from other counterpart. And I think this is the biggest mental block to many people.

The race is not to compete in

"How much I can control myself, not buying from you"

but more like

"How am I able to get you buying more from me"

With the first one running strong, everybody will end up loosing more

Only with the second mode running strong that will bring great success.

Tell me, How poor is Singapore since they have to buy almost 80-90% of their daily needs from other people? In your term, Singapore should be broke even 20-30 years ago. How about Switzerland? Look at all those countries that don't have natural resources and also not having any "Physical Goods" to sell….??

You still missing my point, I have no problem in helping, but just merely pointing out a fundamental problem in P1… Their existence had brought us more pain than gain…. Whatever we do today, we are only slowing down the bleeding. I still yet to see the day when it will really turn around…

Talk all you can, hate me for all I've quoted, but anyone who want to fire me over here…:

Make sure that you are driving a P1, and it's by your choice that you do so !!

(Even though you have a couple of million RM in you bank account)

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It will only make sense if you are indeed wanting to buy a Proton, or needing a new car.

It doesn't really make sense because the price of cars in M'sia is just too high especially for Proton and it's depreciation, I'm not even talking quality yet.

Therefore I think this scheme only works if they absolutely need a new national car. Economy outlook is uncertain. This scheme increases consumer spending on national cars, which serves no economy boosting actions in crucial sectors. Proton or Perodua being bought or merged with other car manafacture leaders can only benefit M'sians, and we pay much less for cars.

Before you attack me, consider this, it's your money spent in uncertain economic times. Some big share holders in Proton will benefit. You get a new car slightly discounted which you'd have to make monthly payments for the next 5-7 years, while the car depreciates RM`10-15k in the first year alone. If I have a 94 Wira working fine, I won't do it. If I have a Proton Tiara and absolutely need a new car for work, I might.

Let the fireworks begin.

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Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn. Bhd own 49%, Daihatsu Motor Co own 41%, Mitsui own 10%, of Perodua Auto Corporation Sdn Bhd. Which means 51% money will fly to Japan.

How about Proton? Owner still 70% or now 100% already?

Even now Doraemon and Ultraman still flying our money. We need to re-built them quickly.[/quote]

The Japanese owns 27% of perodua, and the rest is owned by GLCs get your facts rights…stop spreading misinformation. Thai govt spent billions just to attract these companies built these factories… and why giving aid money to foreigners..just because they know how to make cars…unlike China…the huge producers come to there because of market forces, thailand, they come for the free incentives and soft loans….China is also producing their own makes: Chery, Geely and etc…yeah because thais are goyang kaki, they are also losing their money for nothing, by the way, these foreign automotive companies operating in thailand are tax free for 15 years, look at their investment guidelines….

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Its also about = not letting our internal money to fly outside. It's good for malaysian and malaysia economy. Thailand can do that if they wanted to, but they had no national car. They just must buy from outsiders (even toyota factory there). The fact are, all those money will fly to Japan.

Do you know how much money Japan got from their Auto industries?

BILLIONS PER YEAR. Now imagine if our money fly there millions per year.. we will flat poor later too… (well.. we know bout other income, but this is a part of economy)[/quote]

At lest gov of Thailand dont need to spend money to take care Auto industries, gov goyang kaki could easily earn millions money from tax, car is made in Thai only not their brand, people still have a job, some money from oversea including us fly to Japan also fly to them.

Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn. Bhd own 49%, Daihatsu Motor Co own 41%, Mitsui own 10%, of Perodua Auto Corporation Sdn Bhd. Which means 51% money will fly to Japan.

How about Proton? Owner still 70% or now 100% already?

Even now Doraemon and Ultraman still flying our money. We need to re-built them quickly.[/quote]

The Japanese owns 27% of perodua, and the rest is owned by GLCs get your facts rights…stop spreading misinformation. Thai govt spent billions just to attract these companies built these factories… and why giving aid money to foreigners..just because they know how to make cars…unlike China…the huge producers come to there because of market forces, thailand, they come for the free incentives and soft loans….China is also producing their own makes: Chery, Geely and etc…yeah because thais are goyang kaki, they are also losing their money for nothing, by the way, these foreign automotive companies operating in thailand are tax free for 15 years, look at their investment guidelines….

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Its also about = not letting our internal money to fly outside. It's good for malaysian and malaysia economy. Thailand can do that if they wanted to, but they had no national car. They just must buy from outsiders (even toyota factory there). The fact are, all those money will fly to Japan.

Do you know how much money Japan got from their Auto industries?

BILLIONS PER YEAR. Now imagine if our money fly there millions per year.. we will flat poor later too… (well.. we know bout other income, but this is a part of economy)[/quote]

At lest gov of Thailand dont need to spend money to take care Auto industries, gov goyang kaki could easily earn millions money from tax, car is made in Thai only not their brand, people still have a job, some money from oversea including us fly to Japan also fly to them.

Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn. Bhd own 49%, Daihatsu Motor Co own 41%, Mitsui own 10%, of Perodua Auto Corporation Sdn Bhd. Which means 51% money will fly to Japan.

How about Proton? Owner still 70% or now 100% already?

Even now Doraemon and Ultraman still flying our money. We need to re-built them quickly.[/quote]

The Japanese owns 27% of perodua, and the rest is owned by GLCs get your facts rights…stop spreading misinformation. Thai govt spent billions just to attract these companies built these factories… and why giving aid money to foreigners..just because they know how to make cars…unlike China…the huge producers come to there because of market forces, thailand, they come for the free incentives and soft loans….China is also producing their own makes: Chery, Geely and etc…yeah because thais are goyang kaki, they are also losing their money for nothing, by the way, these foreign automotive companies operating in thailand are tax free for 15 years, look at their investment guidelines….

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Its also about = not letting our internal money to fly outside. It's good for malaysian and malaysia economy. Thailand can do that if they wanted to, but they had no national car. They just must buy from outsiders (even toyota factory there). The fact are, all those money will fly to Japan.

Do you know how much money Japan got from their Auto industries?

BILLIONS PER YEAR. Now imagine if our money fly there millions per year.. we will flat poor later too… (well.. we know bout other income, but this is a part of economy)[/quote]

At lest gov of Thailand dont need to spend money to take care Auto industries, gov goyang kaki could easily earn millions money from tax, car is made in Thai only not their brand, people still have a job, some money from oversea including us fly to Japan also fly to them.

Perusahaan Otomobil Kedua Sdn. Bhd own 49%, Daihatsu Motor Co own 41%, Mitsui own 10%, of Perodua Auto Corporation Sdn Bhd. Which means 51% money will fly to Japan.

How about Proton? Owner still 70% or now 100% already?

Even now Doraemon and Ultraman still flying our money. We need to re-built them quickly.

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I know its voluntary scheme. But the whole purpose is also to help PROTON and not to revive the entire automobile industry.Got it!!!

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So? In an economic crisis one way to handle it is to make sure that money does not flow OUT of the country too much. That's why this scheme is only limited to P1 & P2. If they open it up to foreign car makes, then the money will flow like a river to Japan, Europe and America…not good! Besides, if you want to take up this scheme and don't want a P1, go buy P2 la…

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Without P1 & P2, we will be able to buy a City at lower price than Waja.

What's the reason behind this difference?

Those maggots that sucks up all funding and cause the dismay of P1 & P2.

(Sorry, maybe it's only P1, I guess P2 is doing better, I should leave it out)

All the price difference we paid for over the last decade, I think is quite significant and can also help us out during this bad time…

Imaging the total unit transacted over the last decade, say about RM10-15k each… That's ten of billions also…[/quote]

Do you really think that by having cheap foreign car it will help us out? Hardly! It will NOT help us out at all! Sure, you may get the car of your dreams, but be prepared to trade your future!

Do you really think buying foreign products is good? When you buy a foreign product money goes OUT of the country.

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In the situation of Toyota & Honda, why they want to ask for US help when they still can manage their financial strongly? Even Ford didn't ask for bail out, and is the 2 others which requested it!

In US, they have workers union and if they are laid out they have compensation just like us. Ask those people who work in US company and u know how much compensation they are getting.. That why they never complain much, compare to some…[/quote]

i dont see how you can disagree with me, i'm just stating the facts, they are not my personal opinions and neither am i speculating.

i dont know what you know about the us auto industry.. but both toyota and honda has closed down plants, and thousands of americans have lost their jobs. so i dont know what you mean by they can manage financially.. but of course they can. they just closed down the plant, and kicked out the workers.. so they dont have to pay for the plant maintenance, and salary of the people there.. they just slashed their overheads…

also, in case you didnt realise, toyota and honda are not US companies. also, americans working in japanese manufacturers dont have the same unions as american car companies. so no comfy retirement and pension plan.

and who cares if ford didnt ask for bailout.. they are still in a good position financially.. but chrysler and GM both got USD 17 billion. the difference here is, they are homegrown american companies and brands.

so ask yourself.. why didnt the US govt, give money to honda and toyota to keep their plants running, therefore keeping thousands of americans employed?

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Without P1 & P2, we will be able to buy a City at lower price than Waja.

What's the reason behind this difference?

Those maggots that sucks up all funding and cause the dismay of P1 & P2.

(Sorry, maybe it's only P1, I guess P2 is doing better, I should leave it out)

All the price difference we paid for over the last decade, I think is quite significant and can also help us out during this bad time…

Imaging the total unit transacted over the last decade, say about RM10-15k each… That's ten of billions also…

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In the situation of Toyota & Honda, why they want to ask for US help when they still can manage their financial strongly? Even Ford didn't ask for bail out, and is the 2 others which requested it!

In US, they have workers union and if they are laid out they have compensation just like us. Ask those people who work in US company and u know how much compensation they are getting.. That why they never complain much, compare to some…

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either you do not understand, or you refuse to understand.

do you help

a) companies making foreign products or

b) companies making malaysian products..?

for malaysians who work in foreign companies or companies who manufacture foreign products who get in trouble, there are already provisions in the mini budget for them.. new jobs created in other sectors, retraining provisions… etc. etc. etc. please go read the whole budget.

as I already said, do you see the US govt. bailing out toyota and honda when they were forced to close plants and lay-off thousands of american workers? the answer is of course NO.

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I dont agree with this scheme here. I think money can be better channelled elsewhere. We do not have a position like in the US where the cars are just not selling and steps need to be taken to move the cars off the lots. Here, car sales are not too badly affected due to still cheap financing available. In any event, Proton is already carrying out such a scheme thus it would mean that they will have factored in the scrapping cost when they sell a new car. Why does the government then need to pump in the money directly in this manner?

I believe this is again an ill-thought knee-jerk so called plan by this inept government who does not see any shame in doing u-turns in their policies.

One would think that in soft market conditions, cheap car manufacturers like Proton and Perodua (who are existingly protected via tax structure) would be able to capitalise and do well as for people who NEED a new car would take it rather than a premium model.[/quote]

My friend, please read back your economics textbook… i can recommend one for you if you do not have… look what u do when u r in brink of recession, you have to make ppl spent and make the banks to give more credit…and this can be only done thru your domestic economy, because an effective revolving domestic credit .. will generate trade, thus will spur global economy, no free trade agreement can generate this, even Obama knows this and Europeans are doing the same thing that our government doing right now and even worse, Europeans are raising high tariffs barriers and implement beyond regulatory standards for imported cars that even their mercedes can't achieve it. AFTA , EU and NAFTA will not help or can't pull a country out of recession, they are just passing the problems all around and not solving it, Thus to solve this downturn, you have to start from your own domestic economy by preserving the local industry by all means because this is an important beginning source of any trade or a proper economy system.

For example, this $5000 discount on Proton and Perodua will have tremendous economic multiplier effect, your $ 5000 can save and create thousand of local vendors, save your job and my job at end of the day and you well pretty sure of that. A proton does not build by itself, it needs materials and parts from local vendors thus local vendors need other local supporting industries to help to produce these parts, these actions create jobs and create income and creates spending, thus generate the growth in the economy. The whole mission of Proton and Perodua is to create jobs in Malaysia, because any economic growth must start from manufacturing and not on service just look at dubai a economy bubble waiting to burst because it does not have a strong manufacturing based and rely on a service industry that does not create a strong domestic multiplier effect …

By the way, there are some idiots who insist to buy Toyota Camrys and they are, unfortunately giving and creating jobs for the Japanese instead of Malaysians and they are bunch of clowns who are trying to be smart and telling the whole world, that they did this because of high cost of mcte. Look the benefits of buying local product outweighs the high mcte cost.

At the end of the day

A volvo saves. a swedish job…..

A toyota saves a Japanese job….

A chrysler save an American job

A proton saves a Malaysian job

so which do u prefer? having a your malaysian family member out of job and a foreigner laughing to the bank because of our stupidity or the other way around….

cheers![/quote]

Buck-a-roogers…

Supplier for Proton are local Firm, Yes…

But there are Supplier for CKD of Toyota, honda etc who are local firm too.

I have no problem giving support to those families working under Proton umbrella, but how about those families working under Toyota, Honda umbrella? Buying any CKD in fact will save a Malaysian Job. I bet you actually mean CBU in you quote above…

Look at over all, If we never have P1 & P2, we can actually buy City at the cheaper price than Wira !!! That's a fact. What I am looking at is "Fair Price". We don't have this in Malaysia, FULL STOP !!

Since everybody knows that the price is not fair, where it goes to? We never see the worker under P1 & P2 getting any richer !! The money must go somewhere!! Where do you think ?? Swiss Account ?? I hate to keep feeding that bunch of maggots….

By the way, are you driving a P1 or P2 ? If you are indeed driving a P1 or P2, is it by choice? Like you can afford a BMW M5 but you settle for Perdana V6!!

If the price is Fair, I think I have no other issue to P1 & P2 being the only one having this special treatment.

p.s. Those who are really poor, will not be able to "Save RM5k to buy a RM30k P1", which is actually defeat the purpose of helping the poor. For those middle class looking at buying one P1, after getting the RM5k saving, chances are, they will try not to spend it. So, other than helping P1, there's hardly any "additional RM5k to go round town".

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"The condition is almost like ur Tax money, when u pay the tax you will think i already pay the tax and i am relieve. When the stupid G eat all ur tax money into their pocket & built some stupid white elephat project, will you angry with ur tax money? If 1 day u know ur car gonna to be scrapped for the program, but suddenly ur neighbout bought the car although u want it to be scrap, how do you feel? Cheated?"

If I have "scrapped" my Car and my neighbour bought the said Car, all I would do is ask my neighbour how much he paid for my old Car.

If he paid less than my scrap value, I did not lose out but if he paid more, I would ask "why pay so much, you should have just bought it from me"

Honestly, people would only scrap their car if they cannot sell it for a higher value. If your current 15-year old Toyota SE is worth RM20K, then sell it for RM20K but if you have a Datsun 120Y which is worth like only RM500 to RM1K, you can actually get a better value by scraping the car.

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the facts are, Perodua as a whole is more malaysian owned than japanese, so rather than speculate here it is (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn6207/is_19981001/ai_n24902034). but whether its truly a malaysian product, i rather not get into that. at least its a malaysian company conceived in malaysia and a true malaysian brand, etc.

and if you want to compare with other manufacturer plants.. why dont you see the US bailing out toyota and honda when they were forced to close down plants and lay-off thousands of americans?

and where do you think the CKD pack, to build a CKD car comes from?

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hutang dulu kini dan selamanya lol[/quote]

it's ok if when u die… your installment die too… so your wife, son/dauhter can have the car for free[/quote]

Not really. better check your financing agreement. Not all financing agreement insured.

RT.

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I know its voluntary scheme. But the whole purpose is also to help PROTON and not to revive the entire automobile industry.Got it!!!

With such scheme, who is going to volunteer anyway!!?? If a guy drives a car for more than 10 years, shows that he is incapable to change to new car

(I fully agree with Gonothalamus comments) even if RM5K is given.

The poor guy might as well keep his car. No need to pay monthly installment.

See Europe have also implemented this scheme i.e. Italy – 1,500 to 3,000 Euros and Germany – 2500 Euros for scrapping 9 year old and above. The diff is their car is a lot cheaper (Without high taxes). It make sense and its not confine only to national makes. Toyota is enjoying sales rebound in Germany because of this!

Also read The STar today "Discount for Car owners of little help" by Speechless. You see the Govt is targetting the poor group who cannot afford to change (95% of it). Need I say more!!!

CHEERS!

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hutang dulu kini dan selamanya lol[/quote]

it's ok if when u die… your installment die too… so your wife, son/dauhter can have the car for free

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