when it comes to HONDA and others japanese brand

nobody cares about the design

when proton design such a car like this

every body BASH!

this is a common scenario in malaysia

prove is,we can see alot of toyota's dugong on the road.

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http://indonesia-cars.com/518/honda-delivers-340-…

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Compact car + Room = Freed

Minivan – part of piece = Freed

The Answer:

Compact car + Minivan – part of piece = Honda Freed

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Some shot:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/230/clipboard0…

Mugen Design:
http://www.mugen-power.com/street/freed/wallpaper…

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Kalian tau enggak, berapa harga All New Jazz, All New City, atau bahkan All New Civic???

For example : the new honda civic cost approximately 390 million Rupiahs… a little below that numbers, you could get a fresh-sporty-fast Mitsubishi Lancer 2.0 EX, or a Mazda3, or even a slight conservative yet elegant Toyota Corolla Altis…

And you know what, these car offers a lot more of stuffs, compared to the Civic…

Di kelas SUV, honda CRV menjadi yang paling mahal harganya… padahal kompetitor lainnya, contohnya : Nissan All New X-Trail, Chevrolet Captiva, Suzuki Grand Vitara (the 2400cc trim will be launched at the end of March), atau bahkan Toyota Fortuner, bisa memberikan harga yang lebih masuk akal dengan fitur-fitur yang lebih banyak daripada CRV… The CRV had nothing to proud with… I'd prefer the Hyundai Tucson or KIA Sportage, better than CRV…

one thing about Honda : OVERPRICED!!!

kalian tau enggak berapa biaya maintenance dari sebuah mobil Honda tipe apapun??? Craptacular!!!

Just my 2 cents….

Greetings from Indonesia…

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u sounds like julian-lee…

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i dun think horse power is a important thing in an mpv , torque is much much more important and usefull .

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SPOT ON!….yeap, for MPV/heavy vehicles, torque is more imortant to move all those weights…preferably at low rpm say btw 1.5k – 3k so that FC won't suffer, hence turbodiesel would be more appropriate….example those toyota's D4D, Captiva 2.0D, santa fe 2.2D, starex 2.5D or those excellant citroen/VW/peugeot/renault TDI….

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the new proton exora…

i wonder.. who will the winner..

the survive of the fittest..![/quote]

how??

the freed price might be 20k higher..

i predict the price is 100k++..[/quote]

you must be kidding me.

exora is only avanza level

this honda freed is BEYOND that level.

honda freed will be THE BEST 1.5 Litre van car.

exora is only for cheap skate.[/quote]

Proton Exora is not a great MPV plus an underpowered engine, but to say it is at the same level as Avanza is a flat out lie.[/quote]

are you kidding me?

EXORA not a great MPV?

i tell you what,

you look at the engine size, you wud say its too small for an MPV. But in terms of Horsepower 125 hp… this car have lots of ponnies, at least more than Freed 1.5, Livina 1.6, less a ponny than Livina 1.8.

sir, you know nothing about exora, please don talk shit about it, you havent even drive it yet.

and sir, please dont think you are so clever.

if you think H, T, S, D, N so great, y my fren uses his Estima, latest version,and sudenly its shaft broken? y my fren using Stream he said, this car when it goes beyond 140, it drinks petrol like hell? Nissan Serena, this another moving fridge, that craze bout petrol, less than stream.

Am not only hearing from others, infact, i experienced it.[/quote]

Cars is not only engine.

To enthusiast, you only see how many horse power it can deliver with that cc.

But to others,

interior beauty/quality,

fun to drive,

and others aspect also count.

And I do feel that the plastic material used in proton doesn't as good as the one used by honda.

I'm not saying that japanese car better, because I also hate the plastic that avanza and vios used. That's really looks cheap too.[/quote]

i dun think horse power is a important thing in an mpv , torque is much much more important and usefull .

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the new proton exora…

i wonder.. who will the winner..

the survive of the fittest..![/quote]

how??

the freed price might be 20k higher..

i predict the price is 100k++..[/quote]

you must be kidding me.

exora is only avanza level

this honda freed is BEYOND that level.

honda freed will be THE BEST 1.5 Litre van car.

exora is only for cheap skate.[/quote]

Proton Exora is not a great MPV plus an underpowered engine, but to say it is at the same level as Avanza is a flat out lie.[/quote]

are you kidding me?

EXORA not a great MPV?

i tell you what,

you look at the engine size, you wud say its too small for an MPV. But in terms of Horsepower 125 hp… this car have lots of ponnies, at least more than Freed 1.5, Livina 1.6, less a ponny than Livina 1.8.

sir, you know nothing about exora, please don talk shit about it, you havent even drive it yet.

and sir, please dont think you are so clever.

if you think H, T, S, D, N so great, y my fren uses his Estima, latest version,and sudenly its shaft broken? y my fren using Stream he said, this car when it goes beyond 140, it drinks petrol like hell? Nissan Serena, this another moving fridge, that craze bout petrol, less than stream.

Am not only hearing from others, infact, i experienced it.[/quote]

Cars is not only engine.

To enthusiast, you only see how many horse power it can deliver with that cc.

But to others,

interior beauty/quality,

fun to drive,

and others aspect also count.

And I do feel that the plastic material used in proton doesn't as good as the one used by honda.

I'm not saying that japanese car better, because I also hate the plastic that avanza and vios used. That's really looks cheap too.

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Saw this car in JB with a SG plate. Rear is very ugly.

Didn't bother to continue looking at this car[/quote]

Agree with you. The rear end is very ugly.

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the new proton exora…

i wonder.. who will the winner..

the survive of the fittest..![/quote]

how??

the freed price might be 20k higher..

i predict the price is 100k++..[/quote]

you must be kidding me.

exora is only avanza level

this honda freed is BEYOND that level.

honda freed will be THE BEST 1.5 Litre van car.

exora is only for cheap skate.[/quote]

Since Exora for cheap skate, Freed for stupid rich lo. They will say its a wise 'investment'. Been wondering since when buying cars (depreciating asset) considered 'investment'.

Design wise, this Freed should be comparable to Juara.[/quote]

I think this post really showing the quality we should expect from exora. A quality that a stupid rich won't even look…. look.

seriously,

do you all malaysian thinks proton cars really good?

Why proton in a really monetary deep s**t?

Why it has to put Lotus name in proton badge?

Does putting lotus name make proton name better?

Or it make proton doesn't have a self confidence?

And why proton cars in another asian country is just a laughing matter?

I seen some proton cars, and I don't like the plastic they were using,

and the dashboard also looks cheap, like the avanza from toyota.

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Saw this car in JB with a SG plate. Rear is very ugly.

Didn't bother to continue looking at this car

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haha…i still say that thing is crap eventho merc or beemer produce that thing

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oo..i tot this blog is 4 everyone…did i miz sumting or did paul told us b4 that this blog is belongs to certain ppl??

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maybe you are right, but… exora still not launch… how many minute you have drive the car? how you know the car not drink petro like hell, will not break down… and other problem?

what car dont have problem? exora look like shit! give me free i also don't want!!![/quote]

funny thing is, the very same reasons you criticise him, is the same reasons people can criticise you as well..

you also havent driven the car, you dont even know if the car drink petrol like hell.. you dont even know the car will breakdown or not, no one has actually seen the final production model except for some prototypes..etc, and i'm guessing you haven't as well.. so how do you know the exora looks like shit?

and lastly, i dont believe if someone give you the car for free, you wont take it. because, even if you hate the car, you will take it, and sell it and buy a freed or something. unless of course you are wealthy beyond any of us here, and you dont need the money.[/quote]

i never said about exora FC, i just said every car got their problem he said stream "like" drink petro, and i wonder how he know exora not "like" drink petro? how many "minute" he test the car? read my post carefully

everyone here i believe they have drive proton before, we all know what the PROTON cars, if proton give me free, i can give you

cos proton look like shit cos every model can sell up to 10 years just change grill, headlamp….,

qc bad than perodua

i believe if you got money you wont buy proton, if you support proton… go ahead… non my business

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They do use metal for CVT.

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They do user metal, bro. Please check your fact.

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I found out this last year when a Honda customer which always went to service at the official center complain a lot about CVT gearbox.

What i know from him is that, CVT is very sensitive gearbox. You must change only Honda CVT transmission oil and not others! Beside that, recommended to change around 20,000km! If you service your gearbox like what recommended above, no problem.

Mostly CVT in Japanese car didnt use metal to drive it, that why u felt rubber band feel.. That why changing it more early and annually will help save your gearbox from failing easily.. Why a lot of people dont know, coz they are scared about this CVT and if you guys do some research, CVT is cheaper and easier to operate compare to traditional 4-speed auto.

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its have cvt trust i don't think i will be underpower as cvt have wide range of ratio which can provide best of both world . i heard exora is going to change final gear ratio to make it move better, consequences is high rpm on highway which mean noisy and higher fc , but if the car with cvt , i think it can solve the problem as cvt able to have a very low gear ratio which make it could cruise at a lower rpm and saving fuel and the final gear ratio of cvt is big also , so it could deliver power and fc . IF cvt cannot make it to our shore , it sure will used a 5 speed automatic which still , the 5th gear can have a much lower ratio compare to 4 speed auto and help to save fuel although it would not be as efficient as cvt[/quote]

Is the CVT used here the same as on the old City? Coz if so, then be prepared for a lot of trouble…[/quote]

Not its not. Its an improved version. But you know what? Asean version from Indonesia might not come with CVT. They go for 5-Speed AT instead.

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