Proton Exora Prototype Test Drive Experience!

Proton Exora

It was a day of many firsts for me, the day Proton corporate communications invited some of us to test drive a prototype of the new Proton Exora MPV. Yup, we got to drive a pair of Exoras, both the same colour but taped up in the typical black disguise that you’ve seen countless of times on the spyshots featured on this site.

We drove 2 prototype units, one with a manual transmission and one with an automatic transmission, from Proton’s plant in Shah Alam along the KESAS highway, then onto the MRR2, Karak Highway, and then the East Coast Expressway, where we made a U-turn at the Lanchang exit and on back to the Proton plant (we stopped at Karak town for awhile). The first half of my journey was in the manual model while the 2nd half was in the automatic model.

Look after the jump for my experiencing with the Proton Exora, as well as some other information gathered from our session with the engineers.

Proton Exora

I believe one of the first questions you would like to have answered on the Proton Exora MPV is whether it is underpowered or not. The next would be whether it is spacious inside and comfortable. I will quickly answer these concerns. Bear in mind all of my testing was done with between 6 to 7 people on-board, so I don’t know how the car performs with only 2-3 people in it. I would assume it would be so much better. Comparing kerb weights, you can actually predict that an Exora with only the driver in it would probably feel like a Waja with 4 people in it?

The engine used under the hood is the Campro CPS engine and its CPS and VIM activation parameters are similiar to the unit installed in the Waja CPS and the GEN2 CPS. It is only the Satria Neo CPS which has different CPS activation timing. It produces 125 horsepower at 6,500rpm (7,000rpm redline) and 150Nm of torque at 4,500rpm. I am sure there is still some improvements that can be squeezed out here as a competitor engine can churn out 160Nm of twisting power from a normally aspirated 1.6 litre and the CPS is a long stroke engine which means it should be able to be quite torquey by nature. The gearbox has had its final drive modified to help with the power delivery, and 110km/h RPM on the auto is somewhere between 2,700 to 2,800rpm (cannot remember exactly right now for some reason).

The achilles heel of the Exora is the Campro CPS engine. With the automatic transmission, it is best described as being just enough to move the car, and you can feel the engine being worked really hard to move the MPV, which was loaded up with 7 people. With a kerb weight of 1,380kg, adding all the passengers brings it close to its gross vehicle weight of over 1,900kg. It is seriously no mean feat.

You can truly feel the torque curve of the CPS engine with your butt-o-meter, no measuring devices necessary. Every dip and peak in the curve can be felt because the pace of the MPV’s acceleration depends on every single Newton meter that the engine can churn out. Proton’s famous air conditioning compressor which works great but seems to sap plenty of engine power can already be felt in cars like the GEN2 CPS, but it is even more prominent in this car, slowing things down considerably when it kicks in.

Now the thing is, the only time where acceleration was found to be sluggy to the point of annoyance was when the Exora was starting from a standstill. Not so much in the manual version but it’s quite bad in the auto on even a slight incline. Once it gets going and the Campro engine is in its powerband, things get going sufficiently. I won’t go to the extent of describing it as swift or any similiar words, but I think perhaps 80% of the time and an majority percentage of situations, the Exora has enough power. Most Genting slopes can be taken with 2nd gear in the manual if you have enough momentum, with only the steepest requiring a shift to 1st gear. Mind you, this is according to a Proton engineer as we didn’t climb Genting in our drive.

The manual has more ratios and saps less power. The auto is a little more lethargic and there was one occasion on an incline where it felt really sluggy because I had the pedal to the metal and there was room to do a downshift but it did not! Perhaps there is still some work and finetuning to be done on the TCU? Had to manually downshift via the auto’s gate shifter.

Proton Exora
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I think you can begin to visualise how you will have to drive this. Plan your journey well and look far ahead at traffic as to plan your route through the road’s traffic – minimize braking and keep the momentum up, because once you slow down, acceleration is going to take awhile. Stay out of the fast lane because if you change lanes to overtake, it’s going to take a long time and you might annoy the hell out of cars coming up behind you. I personally drive a car that is quite underpowered as well and for slow and comfortable driving you won’t have issues with the Exora.

Just don’t try to get anywhere in a hurry. Not with your entire family on board anyway – too heavy and not good to endanger them. Also you have to be careful when trying to get across busy crossjunctions or enter busy roundabouts, I foresee that might be a problem with the auto.

On an empty road and ample space for acceleration, the Proton Exora can actually achieve some really high speeds. 140 to 160km/h are no problem given enough time and even beyond that is possible on a downhill stretch. These high speeds can be sustained easily, it is only when you slow down and try to climb back up to those speeds where it takes a long time. Typical Campro and Campro CPS, only shines at the top end, which is why I feel turbocharging with a low pressure turbo will do wonders for it.

Another thing I noticed is how smooth the engine was. It was very loud at high revs approaching the 7,000rpm redline and its boom echoed throughout the interior, but there was not much vibration, something that many current CPS-equipped car owners experience when they send their rev needles to the redline, especially in the Satria Neo. And the engine is pretty docile at regular highway cruise speeds. It’s quite quiet actually. Conversations can be carried out all the way form the front row to the third row without having to raise voices. That is a sign of some pretty impressive sound proofing and NVH optimisation. It remained calm and serene without us having to raise our voices to have a conversation even at speeds of beyond 170km/h. It’s really impressive. Like I mentioned before, the only time the cabin seemed overwhelmed with noise is when the Campro CPS is near the redline. Then you get the boom and blare.

Proton Exora
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The Exora dashboard is probably a first Proton dashboard that does not seem like it is built for midgets in a long long time. It isn’t set too low in the interior. Had no complaints about it so I guess it is at a proper proportionate height. The gear shifter is raised and is very near to the steering wheel so it’s pretty easy to reach for whenever you need to shift gears. The speedo is easy to read and done in white and red.

There is now an instant real-time digital fuel consumption readout but in our prototype vehicles this was not working. It displayed data but was incorrect, with consumption numbers (in litres per 100km) being excessively low most of the time. A Proton engineer told me the prototype car had an old version of some software update and had not been flashed to the latest version yet so the calibration for the instant fuel consumption readout was all wrong. I have a miff with the way you get the meter to display but I will cover this in a later story.

I was happy with the position of the steering wheel. It isn’t too far away. Near enough for me to have a comfortable and firm grip. The seat could be pushed back as far as I required (I am 182cm tall) and I even tried pushing it completely to the rear, but there was still a seriously large amount of legroom in the 2nd row. The driver’s seat was slightly elevated and offers a SUV-like commanding view of what’s ahead. The Proton Exora was stable and planted for as fast as I drove, which is only up to about 160km/h at one point. The fastest I went most of the time was only 140km/h, if I recall correctly. I didn’t dare speed further than that actually as there were 6 other people in the MPV with me, I didn’t want to risk anything.

The steering has a nice weight to it and is easy to keep steady through negotiating a corner. It was precise too, pointing the nose of the car exactly where you expect it to go. No complaints about the brakes and there was also minimal brake dive. The Exora can be ever slightly floaty at times depending on how undulating the terrain is but I found that I only felt this as the driver, didn’t notice it as a passenger.

Proton Exora
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I drove more like a typical MPV driver would, but as a passenger I witnessed some pretty mad cornering around the Karak curves at speeds of 120 to 140km/h without the Goodyear Assurance tyres even making much of a fuss. As usual, the Proton boys have got the car’s ride and handling close to perfect. One of the most impressive things about the MPV is the fact that the third row felt as chill as the 1st or 2nd row, just that it has less space. At this price level or even much more expensive than the RM70k to RM80k that the Exora is expected to be priced at, you usually get a third row that is quite uncomfortable when the vehicle is on the go, because of its position right over the vehicle’s rear axle. It’s usually quite bumpy and headroom is sometimes limited. The Exora trumps all its competition at this.

The third row is so comfortable compared to the bouncy stuff you get with other cheap MPVs and even when one fellow journalist was whacking the corners at high speeds, I didn’t feel thrown around or dizzy. When the Proton Exora travels over an irreguliarity in the road such as the usual place where 2 different pieces of an elevated highway joins together during a corner, the rear end of the car remained composed and calm. Other MPVs would swing and bounce around, creating discomfort for the third row. There are air cond vents for all 3 rows, and the rear rows get its own dedicated blower located in the space above the rear left wheel. The fuel filler is on the other side of course. The rear ceiling vents also have their own blower speed control mounted on the ceiling. Air conditioning for 2nd and 3rd rows is really best in class and the vent angles can be adjusted easily.

Now that we have the Proton Exora’s engine, handling and comfort nailed down let’s talk about space and later proceed to usability/ease of use. As previously mentioned, there is plenty of second row space. Both the 2nd and 3rd row have the ability to have their seat recline adjusted. The third row backrest and seat angle moves together when you adjust its reclining position to maintain a comfortable hip point. For me to fit in the third row requires the 2nd row to be a little more straight up than the optimum comfortable position. That way I can fit comfortably with only the cloth of my pants barely touching the 2nd row seat back.

Proton Exora
Third row legroom – I am 182cm tall

I didn’t really feel like I was sitting on the floor of the Proton Exora though my knee was higher than usual and it was impossible to do any form of leg stretching, but get into the third row of an Exora from a competitor and you’ll feel relieved. There is also plenty of headroom for all 3 rows. Headroom is seriously aplenty here. It makes it easy to get into the third row as you do not have to bend down too much. The third row is going to be seriously comfortable for kids. With the third row fully reclined, the seatbacks are pretty much very close to the rear glass. Luggage space is limited to the triangular-shaped area between the seatback and the floor, which fits 1 golf bag and a few other small items. If you make the third row seatback a little more straight up, you create more luggage space, but it’s not going to be very comfortable for adults at all. The M-Line also lacks any headrests for the third row so it could touch the rear glass sometimes.

Proton Exora
Third row headroom – I am 182cm tall

The second row of the Proton Exora has no sliding ability. But what it can do is tumble-fold completely forwards, creating an empty space in the area where the 2nd row is. This makes it quite easy to get into the third row. The 2nd row seats split 60:40 and the tumbling mechanism can be done independently of each other. The tumbling mechanism works via pulling a strap – from what I understand you pull it a little and it folds down once, pull it completely and it tumbles completely forward against the first row seatback. As I previously mentioned, there is quite alot of space in the 2nd row. Perhaps some of that space should have been allocated in improving some of the third row space. When I suggested this, a part of the Proton team gave an answer that makes sense somehow. Proton wanted the MPV to feel big, spacious and comfortable. It is the number one selling point for an MPV and an MPV has to do that well for it to be considered a good MPV. Not handle well or outrun a sports car. So what they did was make sure at least 5 out of 7 people in the MPV enjoy a great experience. Not 7 people enjoying a mediocre experience.

A convenient teh tarik hook is located in the lower area of the dash near the front passenger footwell, and the front seats have some hooks at the back of them for 2nd row usage as well. There are plenty of cupholders and bottleholders, even for the third row.

One main pet peeve I have is that NONE of the Exora variants destined for Malaysia have ISOFIX points, not even a single one in the Exora. When I asked the engineers about this, the reason given was cost and the lack of regulations requiring ISOFIX points in Malaysia. Personally I feel as a national car company which gets plenty of incentives from the government and is government-owned, safety for the rakyat and future leaders of the nation should be at least given priority! Not just airbags, etc. You harp on the necessity to have seatbelts and force people to wear belts in all seats, so why deny children the safety of a properly fixed child seat? I know this isn’t up to the engineers and decide and from what I know they have no problems implementing this, so it is more of a product planning decision.

Proton Exora

AA surveys show that child seats that are fitted with the adult seatbelts are typically 70% to 80% misfitted with around 30% being seriously misfitted. So what happens during an accident or harsh braking? Your child might just fly together with the misfixed seat! When even the Satria Neo has ISOFIX points, why not in the Exora? if you say lack of regulation requirements – then why are they in the Neo? Cost, how much can ISOFIX points cost! RM50 to RM100 per point? A maximum of RM500 per car, with overly inflated costs for 2 ISOFIX-equipped seats in the 2nd row? Couldn’t scrapping some of your Corporate Social Responsibility programs cover the cost of proper ISOFIX points in your Exora? Spend the money on your real customers instead of others!

Why wait for the government to enforce something? Proton should be proactive in taking this step. Malaysians are not educated on such safety features. Do your part in educating them. Perhaps in your focus group studies for the Exora, none of the potential customers asked for ISOFIX points because they don’t even know what ISOFIX is. That is no reason for you to omit them. Put them in and educate them. Don’t be penny-wise pound-foolish. The good PR from this will be valuable, more than the cost of the points themselves. Really good child seats with ISOFIX support can be expensive. Package them together with your hire purchase loans for families to be able to afford them.

Do it, and do it soon. Showing that you are concerned about your customers will do wonders for your image. Then move on later to more than just 2 front airbags, and perhaps some form of stability and traction control. Dual SRS airbags should really be made standard. I hope there are people in the Proton management/product team reading this.

The Proton Exora MPV is a very impressive product on the overall, and even more so when you take into account its expected price level. It’s got best in class interior room and can be compared to vehicles that are on class above. It can move a whole family along in comfort, just that it is slow in getting moving. I know it sounds like I’m making excuses for Proton but from my own personal driving experience there were only certain times when I felt it was underpowered. Given that most of our drive was on the highway, most of the situation we only had to get up to cruising speed once and the Exora maintained its speed well. It’s just too bad that Proton has no powerful engine to put in it at this point and has to compromise with the Campro CPS as the sole option. It’s fine as a very baseline engine but it really cannot be the only option. Hope that’s fixed with the Campro Turbo.

The lack of certain features such as ISOFIX points in the Malaysian version in no way cripples the ability of the Exora to be a fine MPV of course but it reflects the still on-going shortchanging that Malaysian consumers always seem to get, because from what I was told, ISOFIX will be in the export cars. In fact these are only the very few things that I have to complain about, the MPV does its MPV duties really well and I am impressed at how Proton engineers really got it right the first time.

Anyway forgive me for the lack of photos from the actual test drive session. We weren’t allowed to use any photos actually and had to get photos approved on a case by case and photo by photo basis with justification. Whatever photos I justified using are already in this story. I must thank Proton especially their corp comm team and engineers for organising a well-planned and extremely informative test drive session. More to come – some juicy details on some various new features and specs of the Proton Exora including the BCM module.

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Paul Tan

After dabbling for years in the IT industry, Paul Tan initially began this site as a general blog covering various topics of personal interest. With an increasing number of readers paying rapt attention to the motoring stories, one thing led to another and the rest, as they say, is history.

 

Comments

  • wakeyme on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:44 am

    woho!!!very long write paul.nice one!

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:45 am

    nice second!!

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  • cant wait to test it myself

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Good job Proton.

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  • minnesotan on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:51 am

    heheheh..good job paul… im always read your blog.. from minneapolis, minnesota…. way to go.. proton!!

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  • arulkay on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:52 am

    wah very2 nice hoho!

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  • nazri on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:52 am

    wahh… finally PT first impression about proton Exora…

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  • Littlefire on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:53 am

    Well from the review above i can still asume that AUTO is a "bit" underpower. So in the end, if anyone want to buy this MPV i would recommend manual… As i know paul is tying to give Proton a positive review, but i know what he is trying to tell behind these words… :P

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Forgot to say this: Good job Paul.

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  • DinKnight on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Fair review and good point raised on the ISOFIX issue. Advise given in the article is praiseworthy.

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  • mr edd on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:57 am

    As expected..underpower

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  • aliBaPa on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:00 am

    my god, non stop reading.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Paul,

    I have to say that with this article you have prove to others that you are professional and not blindly bias. Quite different feedback from some so-called Proton's guy with internal info. :D

    Good job bro.

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  • Caddilac Wong on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:01 am

    In term of safety, i can only say that Proton is still way behind the standard… Isofix is such an important thing yet it is ignored for the sake of cost.. I believe that many people don't know what is an ISOFIX but you should educate them instead of letting them unknown. Hope that there will be a better equipped model with stuff such as standard ISOFIX, ESP, TCS and more airbags. I think that those electronic thing won't cost much because in other countries were cheap options. I'm sure that there are people outside who are willing to pay more for their safety. If it is 85k for a fully equipped executive line Exora with all safety equipment required, i don't think it will be a slow seller. Proton may even lead the Malaysian's car market in safety and not just follow what the japanese doing. All the best…

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  • PJ_ZUL on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:01 am

    no photos?

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:02 am

    [quote comment="220716"]As expected..underpower[/quote]

    Those arrogant prick can eat their own words. :D

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  • MisterBenjo on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:02 am

    as expected…GREAT BASHING for no ISOFIX points. MPV should have that!

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  • dcwhz83 on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:03 am

    as always, an excellent unbiased first impression…

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  • NutzeyWagen on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Nice going Paul.

    Chiao!

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  • brusli on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Haaa…as expected, it just have enough power, but certainly not powerful enough. Got to wait for the turbocharged Campro or maybe turbodiesel variants.

    Thanks Paul.

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  • nabill on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:06 am

    the engine preformance review is quite the oposit of wat chris yap reviewed on the 'other' site….confusing….bt good effort…

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  • "Bear in mind all of my testing was done with between 6 to 7 people on-board, so I don’t know how the car performs with only 2-3 people in it."

    so, if full load adults, it will be underpower……but still manage to get 140-160kmh…..based on its price tag…it should decent enough….but if full load 3/4 adults + 3kids, that should be ok i think.

    anyway….congrats Proton…keep on improving

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  • Paul,

    While ISOFIX is all good and dandy, all the points you mentioned in relation to ISOFIX are also correct.

    1. Most people in Malaysia don't use car seats

    2. Out of those who do, most of them do not know what ISOFIX is

    3. For those who do know ISOFIX, there are not many car seats in the country that come with the ISOFIX feature.

    4. For those seats that sell with ISOFIX, the same seat is also retailed without the ISOFIX feature at around RM150 to RM200 less than the ISOFIX-equipped version. I would think that most parents would just save the money and opt for the safety-belt securing option. At the end of the day, the seat is secured only one time in the car and is rarely removed so as long as the initial fitment is done with care, the fitment should be correct. Besides, it is not at all that difficult to secure a car seat PROVIDED you read the manual.

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:11 am

    [quote comment="220728"]the engine preformance review is quite the oposit of wat chris yap reviewed on the 'other' site….confusing….bt good effort…[/quote]

    Well, we didn't test it on the same day. Not even sure if it was the same car even. Different ambient temperature too. Not the same people in the car. Not the same weight of the people. Plus I am at least 20-30kg heavier than a typical person? Maybe my car was much heavier, that's why! Or I have different expectations of what the minimum power delivery should be. Which is why it is good to read different stories and finally test drive the car yourself before you make a purchase decision.

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  • NutzeyWagen on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:12 am

    [quote comment="220723"]as expected…GREAT BASHING for no ISOFIX points. MPV should have that![/quote]

    Yeah you're right, and the irony is that they have it in the Satria Neo, a sports hatchback! ???

    Chiao!

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:13 am

    Paul, is this Exora as underpower as Avanza 1.3?

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  • wow.

    IF a review was written this long my other people. I wouldn't even take a glimpse!

    But for Paul I did.

    Very informative paul.

    Looking forward for the specs and all.

    Most importantly pictures. Hella lotsa pictures.

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  • oh…errr, what about the boot space??

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  • DinKnight on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:15 am

    to be honest, i think there is growing awareness among young parents in this country who believe in getting proper car seats for their children. so in no time, ISOFIX will be a common term and feature to look and buy among the parents, similar to the time we were looking for mobile phones with Bluetooth introduced once available, and now many cannot accept a phone without Bluetooth capability..

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  • infinity on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:16 am

    "More to come – some juicy details on some various new features and specs of the Proton Exora including the BCM module."

    when will it be paul??can i sleep now or should i wait for it??haha…

    btw, great job paul!!thanks!!

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  • Lancermania on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:17 am

    erm.. jz wana ask, wat is ISOFIX??

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  • acerman on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Good Job Paul, at least I know who is right and true. Anyway, I wish there were more pictures though.

    p/s Is that you with the glasses?

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  • ayamxxx on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:17 am

    the engine is definitely underpower. As 1.6 engine, and need to carry a body of 1400kg++, this car is not fuel friendly. Proton need a low pressure turbo or supercharge to make the engine quite ok to drive it

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:17 am

    [quote comment="220736"]oh…errr, what about the boot space??[/quote]

    "With the third row fully reclined, the seatbacks are pretty much very close to the rear glass. Luggage space is limited to the triangular-shaped area between the seatback and the floor, which fits 1 golf bag and a few other small items."

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  • good job paul. i am glad to see you are not biased in your reviews and is still neutral.

    thats what i believe all the readers would like you to maintain.

    as for the exora. hmm, its pretty big for a sub 100k mpv, i am afraid the rondo and livina have a new competition.

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  • Infinitt on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:22 am

    Good job proton. At least everybody can own a new mpv with low price. Me to in the list but need to test myself when it is launch..anyway Paul, can buy or not this exora? ? please advise………..

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  • mokkf82 on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:22 am

    It's sad to hear they are using the same campro engine. Every one hopes differently. And from your point of view. This MPV really is under power! No ISOFIX for a real family career!

    I guess noting comes perfect.

    But the interior is what attracting me, can't wait to have those pictures out.

    Great writing Paul.

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:22 am

    [quote comment="220739"]erm.. jz wana ask, wat is ISOFIX??[/quote]

    Simply put that as 'fixing child seat in a few clicks'.

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  • Infinitt on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Liverpool win……….happy haha..MU swsgwxghvx!!!

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  • BlackJKX on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:23 am

    Proton 'boys' + proton management 'boys',hehe….read this article with an open heart.

    Open ur eyes,dont blame others as to cover ur weaknesses.

    Ops,open ur brain also ahh.if only u have one! And in good condition.

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  • Infinitt on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:26 am

    LIVERPOOL WIN …Yahoooo…

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:31 am

    for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:32 am

    [quote comment="220749"]Proton 'boys' + proton management 'boys',hehe….read this article with an open heart.

    Open ur eyes,dont blame others as to cover ur weaknesses.

    Ops,open ur brain also ahh.if only u have one! And in good condition.[/quote]

    When I talk about how heavy is the 1380KG plus Payload. All of them laugh at me. Now they can bite their fu**in tongue. Anyway Good Job to Proton as most of other aspect are quite on par (some even better) with the competition.

    Paul,

    Any news on the availability of the 1.6 Turbo that has been rumoured for quite sometimes?

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:33 am

    [quote comment="220730"]Paul,

    While ISOFIX is all good and dandy, all the points you mentioned in relation to ISOFIX are also correct.

    1. Most people in Malaysia don't use car seats

    2. Out of those who do, most of them do not know what ISOFIX is

    3. For those who do know ISOFIX, there are not many car seats in the country that come with the ISOFIX feature.

    4. For those seats that sell with ISOFIX, the same seat is also retailed without the ISOFIX feature at around RM150 to RM200 less than the ISOFIX-equipped version. I would think that most parents would just save the money and opt for the safety-belt securing option. At the end of the day, the seat is secured only one time in the car and is rarely removed so as long as the initial fitment is done with care, the fitment should be correct. Besides, it is not at all that difficult to secure a car seat PROVIDED you read the manual.[/quote]

    Nice view you have here. Think back… the seat itself is very expensive and not widely available. Later the ISOFIX will be abandon by parents.

    However, for the sake of safety responsibility, Proton could equip at least two ISOFIX point/set, at the front passenger, and second row, left. This is where parent, especially driver can see and monitor their love ones. No need ISOFIX behind driver seat or third row.

    By then, Proton can save cost by only providing 2 seats with ISOFIX set, and parent still have option to invest in ISOFIX childseat and put it at more suitable places. Both lives happily ever after…..

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  • aliBaPa on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:35 am

    So who has the complete list of cars with isofix?

    In malaysia, of course.

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  • BlackJKX on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:36 am

    [quote comment="220739"]erm.. jz wana ask, wat is ISOFIX??[/quote]

    Its a latch to anchor ur child seat.designed for child seat so it can be attached faster,secured.

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  • nabill on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:37 am

    any comment on the interior quality? dashboard?door trim?leather seats?

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:37 am

    [quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    Right from the beginning I was saying that the model should not be rushed until the 1.6 Turbo is available. But Proton do need to generate some money even before the Turbo is available which I do understand as the Turbo will take quite sometime.

    But you know what? Some blokes was persistently claim that the 1.6 NA is on par with the competition and they even mentioned Wish. :D

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:38 am

    [quote comment="220749"]Proton 'boys' + proton management 'boys',hehe….read this article with an open heart.

    Open ur eyes,dont blame others as to cover ur weaknesses.

    Ops,open ur brain also ahh.if only u have one! And in good condition.[/quote]

    Friend, open their brain means they're dead already how to address weaknesses??…

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  • aliBaPa on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:39 am

    [quote comment="220751"]LIVERPOOL WIN …Yahoooo…[/quote]

    Yes, that's cool, poor goalkeeper.

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  • nabill on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:44 am

    oh ya….great day for liverpool reds ! amazing match !

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:44 am

    [quote comment="220763"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    Right from the beginning I was saying that the model should not be rushed until the 1.6 Turbo is available. But Proton do need to generate some money even before the Turbo is available which I do understand as the Turbo will take quite sometime.

    But you know what? Some blokes was persistently claim that the 1.6 NA is on par with the competition and they even mentioned Wish. :D[/quote]

    You deserve to be happy, or pretend happy since you're a basher..

    Its easier if u have the clause 'i told u so..' on the beginning of all your comment later..

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  • acerman on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:46 am

    Liverpool wins? Aiyaaa…..

    Where is Si-Fu?

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:50 am

    [quote comment="220773"][quote comment="220763"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    Right from the beginning I was saying that the model should not be rushed until the 1.6 Turbo is available. But Proton do need to generate some money even before the Turbo is available which I do understand as the Turbo will take quite sometime.

    But you know what? Some blokes was persistently claim that the 1.6 NA is on par with the competition and they even mentioned Wish. :D[/quote]

    You deserve to be happy, or pretend happy since you're a basher..

    Its easier if u have the clause 'i told u so..' on the beginning of all your comment later..[/quote]

    Bro,

    I'm NOT saying everything's not good for Proton. Most of the things are on par with other competition (which is a good job by Proton). Please read my other comments.

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  • [quote comment="220757"][quote comment="220730"]Paul,

    While ISOFIX is all good and dandy, all the points you mentioned in relation to ISOFIX are also correct.

    1. Most people in Malaysia don't use car seats

    2. Out of those who do, most of them do not know what ISOFIX is

    3. For those who do know ISOFIX, there are not many car seats in the country that come with the ISOFIX feature.

    4. For those seats that sell with ISOFIX, the same seat is also retailed without the ISOFIX feature at around RM150 to RM200 less than the ISOFIX-equipped version. I would think that most parents would just save the money and opt for the safety-belt securing option. At the end of the day, the seat is secured only one time in the car and is rarely removed so as long as the initial fitment is done with care, the fitment should be correct. Besides, it is not at all that difficult to secure a car seat PROVIDED you read the manual.[/quote]

    Nice view you have here. Think back… the seat itself is very expensive and not widely available. Later the ISOFIX will be abandon by parents.

    However, for the sake of safety responsibility, Proton could equip at least two ISOFIX point/set, at the front passenger, and second row, left. This is where parent, especially driver can see and monitor their love ones. No need ISOFIX behind driver seat or third row.

    By then, Proton can save cost by only providing 2 seats with ISOFIX set, and parent still have option to invest in ISOFIX childseat and put it at more suitable places. Both lives happily ever after…..[/quote]

    Wisdom,

    I know where you are coming from but I am speaking from experience as a parent with 2 young children. Not having ISOFIX is not the end of the world. There are at least 3 other methods of vehicle child safety seat installation; safety belts, safety latches behind the vehicle seat (as seen in the Mazda 6), and a metal brace system that anchors the seat to the ground (don't know what it is called). Different car seats brands may offer 1 or a combination of more securing options for their seats.

    Of course, it would be good for Proton to have included them especially since the Satria has them but if Proton were to take your suggestion and to include ISOFIX for the front passenger, then they MUST also include a passenger airbag deactivation function as well (which I am very sure they did not).

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  • infinity on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:54 am

    hey guys..cool down..y like wan to cari gaduh??izit ur Man U lost tat's y so sad?haha..

    i believe tat performance will be adequate..since it can go up to 140km/h without much problem, then it's good…unlike some cheap MPV, once reach 110km/h like no more breath d…

    looking forward for more review from paul!!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:56 am

    [quote comment="220780"]hey guys..cool down..y like wan to cari gaduh??izit ur Man U lost tat's y so sad?haha..

    i believe tat performance will be adequate..since it can go up to 140km/h without much problem, then it's good…unlike some cheap MPV, once reach 110km/h like no more breath d…

    looking forward for more review from paul!![/quote]

    No breath once reach 110km/h? Is it Avanza 1.3. :D

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  • wathefac on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:59 am

    pls la. stop building so much unnecesarry hype over this car la. its jz a decent car and the price is jz OK.. nothing to shout about . cos in actual fact it shd be priced very much lower

    so stop glamorizing this car or generate unneccesary attention .. not a proton basher.. but pls .. we've better things to look fwd to

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  • I have a Honda Civic 2.0 and it does not have an ISOFIX. I don't think there are that may models in Malaysia with an ISOFIX but Paul is right that Proton should have taken the opportunity to lead here…

    In any case, with Proton I would always wait for a year at least before putting my money down for its models. You wanna see how the quality/performance fares in real life as Proton is not known to have the ability to sustain the quality over the long run (Note: Our family has a 1985 Proton Saga, one of the first and it is still running well until today. Cant say much about my Waja I let go 2 years ago though. A pity.)

    As Malaysian, I will nonetheless hope for the best. Mr Syed seems to be from the old school. Quality first…and yes I have the new Saga too.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Paul,

    Do the steering adjustable for tilt and reach? Or its just for tilt?

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  • Kevin on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:16 am

    wow… long story. You (paul) did a great job on sharing the review to us and make it up ON TIME.

    Proton is improving! They are reallp keep improving. So i cant say that the Exora which is their first MPV is lousy or crap or whatever. At least it is better than China MPV in term of safety… if i'm wrong please correct me.

    I cant see that it is underpower if compare to the Perodua MPV with only 1.5 litre engine. Go for manual always.

    The author has impression on Proton haha… good one.

    My suggestion is make a poll/survey on Which Proton car that you like the most?

    Kev,

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  • muryadi on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Dear MyBOY,

    I don't like your style..

    cheers..

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  • newbie on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:18 am

    I dont know much about mpv, how about comparison with other mpvs? I need benchmark..

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  • kampung boy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:20 am

    hurm….. it is quite awkward that our own 1st mpv doesn't got ISOFIX at all mybe bcoz its being done by a group of young engineers that overlook this requirement… btw, proton is improving quite well now, and keep up the good work proton!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Provided the quality is consistent and no other unexpected major design flaws, this MPV will sell like hotcakes when the 1.6 Turbo arrived.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:26 am

    [quote comment="220796"]Dear MyBOY,

    I don't like your style..

    cheers..[/quote]

    And I don't like yours…

    Cheers…

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  • Bosz_1551 on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:27 am

    hmmm.. IMHO, with 7 full grown adult can still speed up a big and bulky MPV up to 140km/h, i think i wont call it underpower.

    Remember guyz, its a family mover, not ur weekend sports car.

    Btw, imagine what if it were not d 7 adult that it carries?

    I think performance wise can be lot better maa..

    Just my 2 cents..

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  • MyviKiller on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Paul, I agree with your concerns on the ISOFIX system, but what I would suggest is as a blogger you should educate our fellow Malaysians on the importance on the ISOFIX system instead of letting Proton to do it themselves, or maybe the importance of wearing the seatbelts as well, thus killing two birds with one stone. IMHO this is the most effective way to educate the Malaysians instead of leaving the responsibility to the government.

    Just my 2 kupang.

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  • MyviKiller on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:34 am

    * I mean the non-existance of the ISOFIX system, typo error.

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  • Internity on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Thanks Paul for sharing the most updated (the only actually) on the new Proton Exora.

    Just few comments:

    Regarding ISOFIX, honestly its not end of the world without it, and nothing to be happy or sad about it. Its good Proton thinks about it first. As far as I know, in NZ and Aus, most cars, especially from Japan, dont have ISOFIX, but a simple seat belt will do the trick to hold on the baby seat. I just hope govt wont implement i'ISOFIX' as a MUST thing for all cars, cause that dont make sense rite?

    Im happy to hear EXORA has the ability to 'really', (yes, really), can chauffer 7ppl around, with a good normal speed. But as normal Msians, Proton name has been dented with bad 'quality', so thats why lots of feedbacks are 'see first', 'wait till next year when they improve it' etc etc. Even the new Saga, i heard lots of complains about it, and some said 2009 model is better, is that true?

    Space?-WAHHHHh,. it seem hugeeeeee then. Im just 165cm tall, so if it can fit Paul nicely, i bet it just fit me nicely (either makes me look good, or makes me look like a kid try to drive dad's car),. hehe

    Anywayhow, cant wait to try it out myself, as Im thinking to buy either this or LIVINA. Cheers

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  • MyviKiller on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Wow even Paul can squeeze into the 3rd row!!! Even me (170 cm) can't fit in the 3rd row of my family's old Naza Ria, my sister nearly threw up in there too because of the bouncy ride!!!

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  • those r prototype

    surely kena tuned abit

    normal production unit will has more problem…as usual

    the "merdeka" or special edition of Exora could feature more "powder-ful" engine.

    at least it is not bumpy, better headroom n 3rd row aircon

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  • henryee on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:58 am

    [quote comment="220783"]pls la. stop building so much unnecesarry hype over this car la. its jz a decent car and the price is jz OK.. nothing to shout about . cos in actual fact it shd be priced very much lower

    so stop glamorizing this car or generate unneccesary attention .. not a proton basher.. but pls .. we've better things to look fwd to[/quote]

    YaYa, it is juz a Proton, Agree with you wathefac.

    But do you know, here got a lot of "Proton fanz" supporting this so called Exora, and maybe got some Proton employees also reading the review, they will still always call you BASHER (don't know who invent this name), even though you only tell them to look forward.

    By the way, my friend went to Terengganu last Saturday and they went back on Monday, they saw an accident happen(also published on Tuesday newspaper), an Toyxta MPV (RM 100k above) maybe you guys know what type already (starts with 'I'), the terrible accident which made 3 people injured but unfortunately 2 dead. The roof of that MPV was tucked off already and can saw the also. The injured includes a child of that family, see the point, driving an MPV depends on that person, and the government rules to set a stricter rule for the car manufacturer to follow. We want a side curtain airbag also for all the passengers and driver; We want Traction control and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) in our national car, and so other ABS, EBD (although it's already standard), but these safety system untill today, cannot be found on our national vehicles, including this Exora I bet (dual SRS airbag and ABS, EBD is common nowadays, we want more safety!!!)

    As for those who really need an MPV, make sure ur MPV has enough safety system embedded, and plus drive slowly, coz 7 PEOPLES' ARE IN YOUR HAND, make sure u r not a fast driver, then u can drive a MPV, if not, no need to buy this Exora MPV, all u need is a sports car (if u r a fast driver). Keep in mind people!!! Hope that proton put more safety features in this Exora like never b4 in order to make other Local or Foreign car manufacturer to follow Proton, if ever Proton may do.

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  • I'd bet Proton will very soon have all those safety features integrated to it's models fully within 5 years. If not sooner.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:11 am

    [quote comment="220808"]those r prototype

    surely kena tuned abit

    normal production unit will has more problem…as usual

    the "merdeka" or special edition of Exora could feature more "powder-ful" engine.

    at least it is not bumpy, better headroom n 3rd row aircon[/quote]

    in actual fact, production models are better in quality than prototypes. most of the things in there are made for the first time and are very crude compared to production stuff.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:12 am

    [quote comment="220783"]pls la. stop building so much unnecesarry hype over this car la. its jz a decent car and the price is jz OK.. nothing to shout about . cos in actual fact it shd be priced very much lower

    so stop glamorizing this car or generate unneccesary attention .. not a proton basher.. but pls .. we've better things to look fwd to[/quote]

    isnt it strange that you try so hard not to sound interested, but you still take the trouble to come here, read the comments, and post…?

    so what exactly are you looking fwd to?

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:13 am

    [quote comment="220796"]Dear MyBOY,

    I don't like your style..

    cheers..[/quote]

    Dear muryadi,

    I like your style.. :)

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  • Well i think they should have ISOFIX and have more airbags instead of just 2! And also traction control and so on… It's no wonder Proton is still way back from the european market…

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:17 am

    [quote comment="220810"][quote comment="220783"]pls la. stop building so much unnecesarry hype over this car la. its jz a decent car and the price is jz OK.. nothing to shout about . cos in actual fact it shd be priced very much lower

    so stop glamorizing this car or generate unneccesary attention .. not a proton basher.. but pls .. we've better things to look fwd to[/quote]

    YaYa, it is juz a Proton, Agree with you wathefac.

    But do you know, here got a lot of "Proton fanz" supporting this so called Exora, and maybe got some Proton employees also reading the review, they will still always call you BASHER (don't know who invent this name), even though you only tell them to look forward.

    By the way, my friend went to Terengganu last Saturday and they went back on Monday, they saw an accident happen(also published on Tuesday newspaper), an Toyxta MPV (RM 100k above) maybe you guys know what type already (starts with 'I'), the terrible accident which made 3 people injured but unfortunately 2 dead. The roof of that MPV was tucked off already and can saw the also. The injured includes a child of that family, see the point, driving an MPV depends on that person, and the government rules to set a stricter rule for the car manufacturer to follow. We want a side curtain airbag also for all the passengers and driver; We want Traction control and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) in our national car, and so other ABS, EBD (although it's already standard), but these safety system untill today, cannot be found on our national vehicles, including this Exora I bet (dual SRS airbag and ABS, EBD is common nowadays, we want more safety!!!)

    As for those who really need an MPV, make sure ur MPV has enough safety system embedded, and plus drive slowly, coz 7 PEOPLES' ARE IN YOUR HAND, make sure u r not a fast driver, then u can drive a MPV, if not, no need to buy this Exora MPV, all u need is a sports car (if u r a fast driver). Keep in mind people!!! Hope that proton put more safety features in this Exora like never b4 in order to make other Local or Foreign car manufacturer to follow Proton, if ever Proton may do.[/quote]

    Yes we want all..

    The problem is.. we want it cheap.

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  • Wisdom said,

    YaYa, it is juz a Proton, Agree with you wathefac.

    But do you know, here got a lot of “Proton fanz” supporting this so called Exora, and maybe got some Proton employees also reading the review, they will still always call you BASHER (don’t know who invent this name), even though you only tell them to look forward.

    By the way, my friend went to Terengganu last Saturday and they went back on Monday, they saw an accident happen(also published on Tuesday newspaper), an Toyxta MPV (RM 100k above) maybe you guys know what type already (starts with ‘I’), the terrible accident which made 3 people injured but unfortunately 2 dead. The roof of that MPV was tucked off already and can saw the also. The injured includes a child of that family, see the point, driving an MPV depends on that person, and the government rules to set a stricter rule for the car manufacturer to follow. We want a side curtain airbag also for all the passengers and driver; We want Traction control and Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) in our national car, and so other ABS, EBD (although it’s already standard), but these safety system untill today, cannot be found on our national vehicles, including this Exora I bet (dual SRS airbag and ABS, EBD is common nowadays, we want more safety!!!)

    As for those who really need an MPV, make sure ur MPV has enough safety system embedded, and plus drive slowly, coz 7 PEOPLES’ ARE IN YOUR HAND, make sure u r not a fast driver, then u can drive a MPV, if not, no need to buy this Exora MPV, all u need is a sports car (if u r a fast driver). Keep in mind people!!! Hope that proton put more safety features in this Exora like never b4 in order to make other Local or Foreign car manufacturer to follow Proton, if ever Proton may

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    Yes i agree with you!!!! Hope Proton will really do something about it.!!

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  • [quote comment="220817"]Well i think they should have ISOFIX and have more airbags instead of just 2! And also traction control and so on… It's no wonder Proton is still way back from the european market…[/quote]

    Proton as a national car maker shud take the lead in safety aspects.

    But in order to do so, they cant maintain the competitive price they offer, as a last result.

    I believe that traction control, ISOFIX and more airbags shud atleast be offered as optional on the lower end model but a standard on high end model.

    And one more thing, now proton should realize dat it could take a lead in safety aspect too apart from handling, i dont say that they can be like volvo in a short time, but at least be the leader in safety in the "affordable" market car segment.

    cheers!

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  • “affordable” car segment.

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  • gattaca on Mar 15, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    first thing, aku bengang MU kalah, wasting my time watching the game!!

    2nd, after reading all post, the TT session, i think proton has improved, maybe not fully, but better than none, rite? According to si-fu, this time proton has taken public opinion seriously and i hope it will be well translated into this Exora. If not.. proton will bungkus definitely…

    yes, there a more to come about this Exora, facelifted version, maybe? hehehe…n please improve your salesman PR n knowledge, proton..please..please..

    about the underpower, i think its not a big issue…how many time u wanna drive an MPV at 180km/h? and also everytime driving it got full load of 7 people? tell me my fren..

    ISOFIX, yes…proton should n MUST have that. walaupun aku taktau la berapa kerat yg nak pakai..tapi at least u have some extra features there. Si-fu, sempat ke nak letak ISOFIX sebelum launch ni? hehhe. i hope so.

    ok then. got to go bersiap. nak gi aloq setaq ni… aku masih tensen ngan MU..

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  • why all the pictures are part of here and there?! = ="

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  • God willing with this fair yet unbiased comment, Proton can improved with ISOFiX though more expensive manufacturers do not include them.

    Perhaps more CUSTOMIZATION- maybe engaged with RECARO?

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  • gattaca on Mar 15, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    er..where's my comment paul?

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  • gattaca on Mar 15, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    owh..its there..sorry..

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  • darkwizard on Mar 15, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Great review Paul…this is what i call an unbias review. Straight to the point. Points out the (Room to improve / weakness) of it. Its a good feedback that can helps Proton to improve and move forward.

    Its not easy to fork out RM70K for a family mover/transporter even if its targeting middle income earner. (Middle income earner with that amount of family members also need to consider the other expenses (non-car) related for supporting the family too.)

    By the way, i think Paul you have make your point right on the safety.

    People nowadays are going for :

    Safety first,

    Price 2nd,

    Looks 3rd,

    Financial support (Low Loan interest rate for long term 9/10years loan),

    Reputation/reliability/ Quality 4th.

    Wear and tear spare parts pricing 5th

    etc….the list goes on and on.

    By the way, i also would like to take this oportunity to thank Proton groups (The whole Proton GROUPS) for their involvement on improvement in 2nd batch Proton Saga BLM onwards compared to the 1st batch.

    P.S.: Myvi 1.3EZi (ABS + EBD + BA+ 2 Airbags), last time when launched back in 2005 got top selling + unable to deliver on time (huge orders) probably because its the only affordable NEW car and NEW MODEL that has that safety features at an affordble price (Thats why it is the top seller ).

    So the moral of the story = Keep the price low and offer the best safety equipment possible.

    P.S.: I still keep my old wira 1994 model – i like the soft touch interior type of cars.

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  • Just-once on Mar 15, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Good unbiased writing Paul.

    But why just because of ISOFIX, need 3 paragraphs explanation?

    It should have a suggestion or solution to ISOFIX that owner can have alternatively.

    Can't it be "kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga".

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  • [quote comment="220824"][quote comment="220817"]Well i think they should have ISOFIX and have more airbags instead of just 2! And also traction control and so on… It's no wonder Proton is still way back from the european market…[/quote]

    Proton as a national car maker shud take the lead in safety aspects.

    But in order to do so, they cant maintain the competitive price they offer, as a last result.

    I believe that traction control, ISOFIX and more airbags shud atleast be offered as optional on the lower end model but a standard on high end model.

    And one more thing, now proton should realize dat it could take a lead in safety aspect too apart from handling, i dont say that they can be like volvo in a short time, but at least be the leader in safety in the "affordable" market car segment.

    cheers![/quote]

    good comment. safety feature is one of the most costly development with crash test, air bag deplotment, misuse, misdeploy test etc need to be conducted. Development cost then amortized to certain amount of years for certain no of projected sales. Easily said, price tag not only translates from features already in the car but features prepared for the car. As a result, lower end model will also hv price increment. M'sians will need to prepare for that, while Proton prepare the safety features. FYI, traction control such as ESP (generic name, DSC, PSM) will be compulsory homologation for EU in 2010+. All current Proton car is EU homologation compliant (savvy,gen2,waja,arena, persona and saga not yet). I'm pretty sure Proton is on its path to ESP.

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  • kimi_ on Mar 15, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    I think proton need to add more variants on its engine….even the saga BLM is slow when moving from standstill and the pickup…

    This will indirectly makes the fuel compsumption HIGH !!!

    btw,hooray Liverpool thrash MU!!!

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  • kimi_ on Mar 15, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    I think proton need to add more variants on its engine….even the saga BLM is slow when moving from standstill and the pickup…

    This will indirectly makes the fuel compsumption HIGH !!!

    btw,hooray Liverpool thrash MU!!!

    Should mention good post. Looking forward to reading the next one!

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  • huzaimi on Mar 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    nice review paul…. great job….

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  • Nomad1111 on Mar 15, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    As expected..Underpower

    Power to Weight ratio..

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  • benboyben on Mar 15, 2009 at 4:03 pm

    hey paul,

    Nice tag heuer prescription eyewear u got there..;)

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  • tungu on Mar 15, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    mmmm.. i think proton exora will use turbo as weapon n extra safety after produa myvi satay come out into market……

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  • avanza_owner on Mar 15, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Great review! Any chance of updates to the review comparing between Avanza 1.3/1.5 with this Exora? I believe there will be many potential Avanza owners who might want to 'upgrade' to this if the age-old concern about Proton quality is answered well in this latest Proton model. I've noticed the comments about Exora being underpowered, how about comparing with Avanza? Avanza is even more underpowered right?

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  • jazzer on Mar 15, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    arrggh…it makes me think 2 times to buy this mpv…maybe wait for the turbocharged come out r..anyway,if true it is underpowwred, just postpone the launching and do anything that appropriate to setttle out it…bear in mind proton,paultan is one of the most popular reference blog for the buyer…so pkir2 kan lah..

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  • moha774 on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    I'll definitely wait for the manual transmission unit… no AT for me.. of the short review… I like what I've read on the ride & handling and also the interior.. whenever I look for the car to buy, I would always sit at all the seat positions, to know whether I would be comfortable or not… so that my passanger wont have issue's when riding my car..hehehe.. looking forward for Exora though…

    P.S: I'm not as tall as you Paul, so I might fared better at the 3rd row…

    i

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  • I think some of you gave comments without reading the article properly

    Paul gave a very descriptive reviews but some of the commentator sees it the other way round

    Underpower – While I personally agree 1.6 is insufficient for a 1400kg MPV, PT did mentioned it was 6-7 people in the car all the time! Where do you want to go so fast with all your family members in the car?Racing ka? Although i do agree I would prefer the response could be better with heavier load,I don't really find it an issue. Normal loading should be reasonable though.How often do you carry 7 full adults in the car? Lunch perhaps?

    ISOFIX – Now,although it is a good thing, it depends on how u see it.Some people will just make noise and want to have it but do they really know what it is?Do they really know how to use it?WILL THEY USE IT? Most of the commentators don't even use child seat for their child! Now , don't be a 'tin kosong' i..e making lot of noises whilst being empty inside. For the genuine supporter of ISOFIX, make your voice heard.Lobby for it. But sometimes I do feel we are being biased and unfair to Proton.We are asking more than we could chew. If the more established automotive makers close one eye on this matter, why must Proton's act of closing one eye become a 'federal' conspiracy,sinful and need to die in hell? In automotive world, things are not as straight forward as producing other products. 10cents reduction in the BillOfMaterial (BOM) could determine your final price

    Each of us have our own expectancies how the MPV could and should perform. PT has his own standards and the above are what he feels it was and how things could be better. You on the other hand,might have different expectation (higher or lower) so as PT said, go ahead and read several more articles on Exora and see things collectively after that. Then test drive the chubby EXORA to confirm the reviews. Baru puas hati. Then baru decide ok or tak ok.

    PT is giving a very non-biased reviews. It's good for genuine automotive lovers. Every goods/bads are appreciated. Bashers on the other hand,will use 1 single-word that shows a weakness of the car and used it with out-of -context to their pleasure.haiyaaa…..grow up la

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  • Rulered on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    ISOFIX are not found in all cars, not even in some of the more up scale japanese cars. I know most of conti cars have it installed standard even in their basic mod such as MB, BMW, VW and you can read about them in their websites.

    MPVs are meant to ferry your family around and gives you options of more space when there are not many passengers on board, it's not meant for driving fast or racing on an open road or highway. As long as we can keep that in mind, we can understand that in fact most of MPVs are 'underpowered' especially the small ones, no need to mention names here. Remember about the two accidents involving large MPVs called Alphard, if I remember correctly the vehicle and it's occupant didn't do too great.

    If the need for speed is overwhwlming, then get a car which doesn't carry too many life onboard. If you need space, get a van or truck.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    wait till paul post about BCM module, then u'll not think it is merely a normal MPV..some ppl didnt know the full picture yet, or didnt even read n understand what paul said. either v r proton fanboy or not, whats matter is, for that price point, it is still a little better than other competitors in the same category. u'll see when it launch ;) dont bash me haha wait till it launch only bash

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  • lambov12 (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    nice job paul ..

    and good job proton ..

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  • Xeroxphan on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Nice review Paul…

    Good luck Proton…

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  • i want one... but no on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    shud i wait for the Turbo version?… or just take this one… can piggyback computer like DASTEK UNICHIP / GREDDY E-MANAGE improve this campro CPS?

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  • p1basher on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    looks nice indeed, i hope the price nicer

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    [quote comment="220863"]ISOFIX are not found in all cars, not even in some of the more up scale japanese cars. I know most of conti cars have it installed standard even in their basic mod such as MB, BMW, VW and you can read about them in their websites.

    MPVs are meant to ferry your family around and gives you options of more space when there are not many passengers on board, it's not meant for driving fast or racing on an open road or highway. As long as we can keep that in mind, we can understand that in fact most of MPVs are 'underpowered' especially the small ones, no need to mention names here. Remember about the two accidents involving large MPVs called Alphard, if I remember correctly the vehicle and it's occupant didn't do too great.

    If the need for speed is overwhwlming, then get a car which doesn't carry too many life onboard. If you need space, get a van or truck.[/quote]

    Even if the malaysian version of Jap MPV do not provide ISOFIX as standard, do you really believe we should follow their weakness? For me, I just say follow their strength, not their weakness.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    [quote comment="220872"]Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.[/quote]

    the thing is, when it comes to proton, any good review will be treated as "help" or "being paid" or even "proton's PR". how honest can honest be? for facelift, i bet u dont need to wait for 6yrs, expect 2~3yrs. like what they did to neo

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    [quote comment="220864"]wait till paul post about BCM module, then u'll not think it is merely a normal MPV..some ppl didnt know the full picture yet, or didnt even read n understand what paul said. either v r proton fanboy or not, whats matter is, for that price point, it is still a little better than other competitors in the same category. u'll see when it launch ;) dont bash me haha wait till it launch only bash[/quote]

    Since you brought up the pricing thing. For me I just say that for local product, it is not cheap.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    [quote comment="220874"][quote comment="220872"]Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.[/quote]

    the thing is, when it comes to proton, any good review will be treated as "help" or "being paid" or even "proton's PR". how honest can honest be? for facelift, i bet u dont need to wait for 6yrs, expect 2~3yrs. like what they did to neo[/quote]

    No body talks about face lift my bro. Haven't you saw that I talk about 2nd Gen (All New). Hope they will incorporate the wipers into their design then. As for now, the wipers position seems like pre 2000 model. In case you wonder, I DO NOT compare it with steeper hood version of other MPV (like Honda Freed).

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  • Tiadaid on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    [quote comment="220875"][quote comment="220864"]wait till paul post about BCM module, then u'll not think it is merely a normal MPV..some ppl didnt know the full picture yet, or didnt even read n understand what paul said. either v r proton fanboy or not, whats matter is, for that price point, it is still a little better than other competitors in the same category. u'll see when it launch ;) dont bash me haha wait till it launch only bash[/quote]

    Since you brought up the pricing thing. For me I just say that for local product, it is not cheap.[/quote]

    How "cheap" would the car have to be priced to be considered as cheap? In the end, the car can be cheap, but you'll get the lousiest spec, and then you'll complain about the features..

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    [quote comment="220878"][quote comment="220875"][quote comment="220864"]wait till paul post about BCM module, then u'll not think it is merely a normal MPV..some ppl didnt know the full picture yet, or didnt even read n understand what paul said. either v r proton fanboy or not, whats matter is, for that price point, it is still a little better than other competitors in the same category. u'll see when it launch ;) dont bash me haha wait till it launch only bash[/quote]

    Since you brought up the pricing thing. For me I just say that for local product, it is not cheap.[/quote]

    How "cheap" would the car have to be priced to be considered as cheap? In the end, the car can be cheap, but you'll get the lousiest spec, and then you'll complain about the features..[/quote]

    I don't want to start a debate about this. But suffice to say that its appear to be cheaper just because others taxed higher.

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  • ManBelonPunya on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    [quote comment="220746"]It's sad to hear they are using the same campro engine. Every one hopes differently. And from your point of view. This MPV really is under power! No ISOFIX for a real family career!

    I guess noting comes perfect.

    But the interior is what attracting me, can't wait to have those pictures out.

    Great writing Paul.[/quote]

    just wondering if livina or rondo has ISOFIX. btw, i do believe no one will talk about this ISOFIX if Paul didn't mantioned in his review.

    do you really use child car seat at all?i think people start to use it seriously whan G make it as madatory..is it?

    hemm…there's alway a point for bashers. if you got big money, but a grand kotak bergerak alphad n u may puas hati..:)

    ciao ciao

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    [quote comment="220877"][quote comment="220874"][quote comment="220872"]Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.[/quote]

    the thing is, when it comes to proton, any good review will be treated as "help" or "being paid" or even "proton's PR". how honest can honest be? for facelift, i bet u dont need to wait for 6yrs, expect 2~3yrs. like what they did to neo[/quote]

    No body talks about face lift my bro. Haven't you saw that I talk about 2nd Gen (All New). Hope they will incorporate the wipers into their design then. As for now, the wipers position seems like pre 2000 model. In case you wonder, I DO NOT compare it with steeper hood version of other MPV (like Honda Freed).[/quote]

    just wait for it before u comment any further, thx.

    [quote comment="220879"][quote comment="220878"][quote comment="220875"][quote comment="220864"]wait till paul post about BCM module, then u'll not think it is merely a normal MPV..some ppl didnt know the full picture yet, or didnt even read n understand what paul said. either v r proton fanboy or not, whats matter is, for that price point, it is still a little better than other competitors in the same category. u'll see when it launch ;) dont bash me haha wait till it launch only bash[/quote]

    Since you brought up the pricing thing. For me I just say that for local product, it is not cheap.[/quote]

    How "cheap" would the car have to be priced to be considered as cheap? In the end, the car can be cheap, but you'll get the lousiest spec, and then you'll complain about the features..[/quote]

    I don't want to start a debate about this. But suffice to say that its appear to be cheaper just because others taxed higher.[/quote]

    for freed, is it even at rm80k at jap? thing is, dont blame tax when u cant even earn for what u want. even avanza is at 40k i wouldnt touch it! dont even start with other cheap plastic model frm the same brand.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    I don't think Freed can be use as main MPV. If you really into MPV, better get other model. For me Freed is just for young/beginner/casual MPV user (i.e. You have other car). As for Avanza, I never did like it right from the beginning. To me, Avanza is to pricey for what you get. Then again, Toyota is not our nasional car maker.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    [quote comment="220882"]I don't think Freed can be use as main MPV. If you really into MPV, better get other model. For me Freed is just for young/beginner/casual MPV user (i.e. You have other car). As for Avanza, I never did like it right from the beginning. To me, Avanza is to pricey for what you get. Then again, Toyota is not our nasional car maker.[/quote]

    when the final product released, go have a feel for it, perhaps after tat u can judge whether the price worth it

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  • jazzer on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    paul.,can you tell us about fuel consumption of this mpv esp for the auto one…wonder how can sifu said it saves(in previous posts) as paul mentioned that he engine work really hard to accelerate…plz answer me..

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  • raybrig85 on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    [quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…

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  • msian on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    good luck proton….

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  • goguncas71 (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Before people keep yelling underpowered! underpowered! we should remember the the car was carrying SEVEN GROWN MEN up Karak highway. My Citra 2.0 feels underpowered to when going through Karak on our balik kampung trips and I have kids in the back…

    People should look at the power to weight ratio when it is released.

    The most important thing to me is the rear air cond blowers, hot and angry kids in the third row WILL spoil your family trips :( Trust me I know…

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  • KickingDust on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Just-once said,

    March 15, 2009 @ 6:04 am · Reply with quote

    Good unbiased writing Paul.

    But why just because of ISOFIX, need 3 paragraphs explanation?

    It should have a suggestion or solution to ISOFIX that owner can have alternatively.

    Can’t it be “kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga”.

    _____________________________________________

    Dear Paul,

    Appreciate ur unbiased motoring writings on the New Proton Exora.

    You have clearly given ur opinion from a different angle from the earlier unethical motoring journalist "who just to be the 1st in reporting for fast publicity". And again, you've proven him wrong…. You're still the BEST.

    Just for the reader info's. ISOFIX as Paul has widely indicated in his 3 paragraphs write ups, is certainly a much higher safety features when it some to restraining your externally fitted "child seat". First of all, please make sure you purchase a "Child Safety seat" that meets ISOFIX safety requirements.

    ISOFIX as some contributors to this web has pointed out, is a actually " a fixed anchorage" points designed with ur rear car seat's to mount/restraint the "child seats" so there is no travel at all. Its quite similar, if you were to compare a driver using a standard 3 Points ELR (Emergency Locking Retractor) versus the a race car Driver being "bolt on" with 3 or 4 Safety Harness that has its end of the belt locked on the a fixed anchoring point on the "roll cage". Hence, there is almost no travel at all…compared to the bolting the child seat to the standard Safety Belt.

    Similarly, some motorist normally mounts the child seat towards the "middle seat that has 2 fixed point seat belt". Therefore, it will allow the Child Seat to secured with almost minimal and will not lunge forward in a sudden braking situation. Even the 3 points Safety Belt, provides this protections, as the only set back there is a possibility chance a minimal travel… before the "thud & jolt" in the Safety Belt will fully lock & restrain the child seat.

    ISOFIX is not provided in the front seat, b'coz the Exora has Dual airbags in its BOTH HL & ML variants. And guys….please DO NOT restrain your child seat in the front seat at of ANY vehicle and at ALL conditions !!

    Since PT highlights on this occasion was more focused on the safety features for Child Restraining System provided in the EXORA, i believe the readers eill be expecting more information’s on the :-

    ACTIVE SAFETY (features that prevent accidents taking place, ABS, EBD (enhanced ?) , Rear LED lights, BCM related Safety features, Side Mirror with LED Turn Light, Speedometer design and illumination, stowed in Head rest designed plus the minimal blind spots viewing angle for driver rear view, etc)

    PASSIVE SAFETY (features that minimizes the injury to its occupants after an accident has taken place, 3 Points Safety Belts (how many ??), 2 points safety belts, SRS Air Bags, Head & Neck Protection features from head rest design, Vehicle Crumple Zones, Bonnet & A Pillar design for Pedestrian safety, etc….

    …. will be clearly explained in the following write ups. (anyway, these features are all just my personal assumptions….i believe the R&D team at Proton would have considered some of this features in for its safety aspect …)

    Paul…i sincerely appreciate that you will continue in your openness in writing,

    unbiased in the motoring web base media that has taken the country by storm.

    BRAVO Paul Tan …&…SYABAS Proton

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  • raybrig85 on Mar 15, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    owh..btw paul..nice review..gd job proton..

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  • Aver_Eng on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    ISOFIX? Spend some time to notice the car when you're driving. You will suprise that so many Malaysian driver and front passenger don't use safety belt. Let alone the rear passenger safety belt. Safety is the last thing Malaysian concern in car, Janji ada gaya is most important.

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  • fastcx (Member) on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    [quote comment="220886"]dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    7 full size adult, usually a family consist of 2 adult, 2~4kids for family. n it also means if u wan2 carry ur in-laws, u, wife, ur parents safely, it is possible. 1.6 petrol is consider as entry level engine for this mpv. i believe proton will plug in more powerful(e.g. turbo campro) quite soon, after all the engine bay is damn big for just 1.6. if u felt im defending, there is a difference between being reasonable n defending.

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  • mystiq on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    You all can read another review from other website such as mee lee and motortrader. These people joint together with PT drive test the EXORA.It will give extra information.

    happy motoring…

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  • theanswer on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:18 pm

    I like the way u flame the manufacturer regarding the ISOFIX stuff..yeap they deserved it..in malaysia there were somekind of double standard..one model got 2 variant..with airbag,abs or without both. means tht in malysia human life can be considered as double standard? i found this kind of marketing/sales strategy kinda weird. why dont just give all of the cars with basic abs n airbag..instead of manufactured 50 airbag system(assuming tht 50 ppl book those H-Line model and 50 ppl book M-line)..why dont just produced 100 airbag system for one variant only(if total 100 ppl book the car)..the manufacturing cost can be lowered at the same time. lower the cost..and gives customer more peace of mind regarding the car safety.

    nway, good job paul.

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  • theanswer on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    and yes..manufacturer also took advantage of malaysian ppl(majority of p1 and p2 user) since most of them didnt have much knowledge about vehicle safety system. some of them still think that abs and airbag is not that important..thts why they got 2 different variant. and i got my friend who drive myvi(ezi) without straping the setbelt…so the airbags wont have any purpose at all!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    [quote comment="220886"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    Some people will keep on defending even the things that can't be defended.

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  • theanswer on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    [quote comment="220904"][quote comment="220886"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    Some people will keep on defending even the things that can't be defended.[/quote]

    we considered it Pro-Proton!

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  • m'sian 75 on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Way to go EXORA.

    Thanks Paul.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    [quote comment="220899"][quote comment="220886"]dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    7 full size adult, usually a family consist of 2 adult, 2~4kids for family. n it also means if u wan2 carry ur in-laws, u, wife, ur parents safely, it is possible. 1.6 petrol is consider as entry level engine for this mpv. i believe proton will plug in more powerful(e.g. turbo campro) quite soon, after all the engine bay is damn big for just 1.6. if u felt im defending, there is a difference between being reasonable n defending.[/quote]

    Entry level 1.6 Livina Auto (never really like it though) weigh just 1245KG While your so-called entry level MPV named Exora weigh 1380KG. In layman's word, empty Exora weigh like 1.6 Livina Auto PLUS two adult. Damn heavy for a monocoque MPV in its class.

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  • Lawrence on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:31 pm

    I can't find the ISOFIX in my BMW too !!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    [quote comment="220872"]Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.[/quote]

    One 'anti-embargo' journalist even jack up Proton right from the beginning. :D

    So much for integrity.

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  • raybrig85 on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    [quote comment="220899"][quote comment="220886"]dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    7 full size adult, usually a family consist of 2 adult, 2~4kids for family. n it also means if u wan2 carry ur in-laws, u, wife, ur parents safely, it is possible. 1.6 petrol is consider as entry level engine for this mpv. i believe proton will plug in more powerful(e.g. turbo campro) quite soon, after all the engine bay is damn big for just 1.6. if u felt im defending, there is a difference between being reasonable n defending.[/quote]

    mabe u didnt see that u keep defending proton..yeay..some of it u try to be reasonable..i admit that..but,we can defend but some thing which is true abt it..theres no nd to defend…same goes to basher..we can bash but jz bash at the right facts…peace..

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  • Lawrence on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go

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  • khimfoh on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:39 pm

    First, great review of the Exora. Kudos to Paulie… ;)

    Secondly, based on the interior pics, the Exora does have plenty of headroom space and I am amazed by it.

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  • how if proton increased the cc to 1800cc or 2000cc..

    it might be powerfull..

    and how if proton build more long and adult can seat more comfortable at 3rd rows..

    im sure malaysian people thinking and agree with what im suggest..

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  • raybrig85 on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    [quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    if u think its gd y not??

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  • good job paul. I think with or without isofix. Its all about the person on the driving seat. Still we as consumers wanted the best on everything and it got to be cheap too.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    [quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    That is a good move bro.

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  • How if proton increased the CC to 1800cc or 2000cc..

    it might be more energy and more power..

    how if proton build the boby of eXora more long so, adult can seat more comfortable at 3rd rows..

    i guess people also agree with what i'm thinking..

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  • [quote comment="220862"]I think some of you gave comments without reading the article properly

    Paul gave a very descriptive reviews but some of the commentator sees it the other way round

    Underpower – While I personally agree 1.6 is insufficient for a 1400kg MPV, PT did mentioned it was 6-7 people in the car all the time! Where do you want to go so fast with all your family members in the car?Racing ka? Although i do agree I would prefer the response could be better with heavier load,I don't really find it an issue. Normal loading should be reasonable though.How often do you carry 7 full adults in the car? Lunch perhaps?

    ISOFIX – Now,although it is a good thing, it depends on how u see it.Some people will just make noise and want to have it but do they really know what it is?Do they really know how to use it?WILL THEY USE IT? Most of the commentators don't even use child seat for their child! Now , don't be a 'tin kosong' i..e making lot of noises whilst being empty inside. For the genuine supporter of ISOFIX, make your voice heard.Lobby for it. But sometimes I do feel we are being biased and unfair to Proton.We are asking more than we could chew. If the more established automotive makers close one eye on this matter, why must Proton's act of closing one eye become a 'federal' conspiracy,sinful and need to die in hell? In automotive world, things are not as straight forward as producing other products. 10cents reduction in the BillOfMaterial (BOM) could determine your final price

    Each of us have our own expectancies how the MPV could and should perform. PT has his own standards and the above are what he feels it was and how things could be better. You on the other hand,might have different expectation (higher or lower) so as PT said, go ahead and read several more articles on Exora and see things collectively after that. Then test drive the chubby EXORA to confirm the reviews. Baru puas hati. Then baru decide ok or tak ok.

    PT is giving a very non-biased reviews. It's good for genuine automotive lovers. Every goods/bads are appreciated. Bashers on the other hand,will use 1 single-word that shows a weakness of the car and used it with out-of -context to their pleasure.haiyaaa…..grow up la[/quote]

    SAYA SETUJU!

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  • Underpower?….I think its ok, How many time we use to carry all 7 ppl or 7 adult. Sometime only. if 7 pun 2 adult abd 4 kids.

    think again

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  • bmpower on Mar 15, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    what surprised me more today.. Chips from MT as some of us including me think a bit biased to p2 also saying just 'too many good thing' about this exora. Such a great achievement for proton.

    And no wonder why proton really confident to give all of motorist journalist chance to try this MPV before it launch. They dare to hear last word from you journalist!. For them to do final tweak if any.

    As for now i think.. it's really good Mpv even the price is sooo cheap.

    all the best.

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  • After safely features, now come with underpower issue, thats all about money issue. Less features less price. Good job Proton, you always bring rakyat easy to own a car start from many many years ago in Malaysia. Now come with MPV, future could be couple.

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  • KickingDust on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    1. Just-once said,

    March 15, 2009 @ 6:04 am • Reply with quote

    Good unbiased writing Paul.

    But why just because of ISOFIX, need 3 paragraphs explanation?

    It should have a suggestion or solution to ISOFIX that owner can have alternatively.

    Can’t it be “kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga”.

    2. KickingDust wrote :

    Dear Paul,

    Appreciate ur unbiased motoring writings on the New Proton Exora.

    You have clearly given ur opinion from a different angle from the earlier unethical motoring journalist "who just to be the 1st in reporting for fast publicity". And again, you've proven him wrong…. You're still the BEST.

    Just for the reader info's. ISOFIX as Paul has widely indicated in his 3 paragraphs write ups, is certainly a much higher safety features when it some to restraining your externally fitted "child seat". First of all, please make sure you purchase a quality "Child Safety seat" that meets ISOFIX safety standard requirements.

    ISOFIX as some contributors to this web has pointed out, is a actually " a fixed anchorage" points designed with ur rear car seat's to mount/restraint the "child seats" so there is no travel at all. Its quite similar, if you were to compare a driver using a standard 3 Points ELR (Emergency Locking Retractor) versus the a Race Car Driver being "bolt on" with 3 or 4 Safety Harness that has its end of the belt locked on the a fixed anchoring point on the "roll cage". Hence, there is almost no travel at all…compared to the bolting the child seat to the standard Safety Belt. Its actually to spinal injury & internal chest. However, with the reconsidering on road usage, the Safety Belt devices today has a Load Limiter introduced in it frontal seats that are equipped with Airbags. (minizes organ injury – as secondary collison will take place on ones body)

    Similarly, some motorist normally mounts the child seat towards the "middle seat that has 2 fixed point seat belt". Therefore, it will allow the Child Seat to secured with almost minimal and will not lunge forward in a sudden braking situation. Even the 3 points Safety Belt, provides this protections, as the only set back there is a possibility chance a minimal travel… before the "thud & jolt" in the Safety Belt will fully lock & restrain the child seat.

    ISOFIX is not provided in the front seat, b'coz as in the Exora, it has Dual airbags in its BOTH HL & ML variants. And guys….please DO NOT restrain your child seat in the front seat at of ANY vehicle and at ALL conditions !!

    Since PT highlights on this occasion was more focused on the safety features for Child Restraining System provided in the EXORA, i believe the readers will be expecting more information’s on the :-

    ACTIVE SAFETY (features that prevent accidents taking place, ABS, EBD (enhanced ?) , Rear LED lights, BCM related Safety features, Side Mirror with LED Turn Light, Speedometer design and illumination, stowed in Head rest designed plus the minimal blind spots viewing angle for driver rear view, etc)

    PASSIVE SAFETY (features that minimizes the injury to its occupants after an accident has taken place, 3 Points Safety Belts (how many ??), 2 points safety belts, SRS Air Bags, Head & Neck Protection features from head rest design, Vehicle Crumple Zones, Bonnet & A Pillar design for Pedestrian safety, etc….

    …. will be clearly explained in the following write ups. (anyway, these features are all just my personal assumptions….i believe the R&D team at Proton would have considered some of this features in for its safety aspect …)

    Paul…i sincerely appreciate that you will continue in your openness in writing,

    unbiased in the motoring web base media that has taken the country by storm.

    BRAVO Paul Tan …&…SYABAS Proton

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  • [quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    You dont need to pay much by trading your Toyota to a Proton, maybe your will get extra money on your hand.

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  • EddyHyip on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    1.6 in a big vehicle sure underpower. Hope proton is following the trend of small engine capacity but having forced induction to have the power output of 1.8, 2.0 and 2.4 engines… all based on 1.6 campro…. that would be something special about Proton that the world will know…

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  • mkrafz on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    nice comment paul tan..

    does not bias at all…

    hope proton will hire u,

    in their test and prototype department..

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  • KickingDust on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    correction :

    "Its actually to minimize spinal injury"

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  • Aaron Ch'ng You on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Very nice

    I hope proton sell this quickly

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  • elpaciko on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    for u guys who cried "underpowered"…

    do u even read the article properly? or just skimming on everything just looking for the word "underpowered" and then cried out " aha i know its underpowered" at the mere mention of the word…

    maybe its true that malaysian dont like to read…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    [quote comment="220931"][quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    You dont need to pay much by trading your Toyota to a Proton, maybe your will get extra money on your hand.[/quote]

    Extra money? Are you kidding? Sure Avanza will feel the burn (especially the 2nd had price) when Exora has been launched (provided everything else is as good as the test car).

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  • udean on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    there is another review in NST today!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    [quote comment="220936"]for u guys who cried "underpowered"…

    do u even read the article properly? or just skimming on everything just looking for the word "underpowered" and then cried out " aha i know its underpowered" at the mere mention of the word…

    maybe its true that malaysian dont like to read…[/quote]

    I ready and understand all of it. So what?

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  • adrian on Mar 15, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Exora is actually for mid class family. We may have a poll here to count how many of us have family members about 7 adult people…he he

    In the end, exora is just good enough for a family consist of 2 adults+5 kids. That's great actually.

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  • acerman on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    There are more news here…(incluidg more pictures too)

    http://www.motortrader.com.my/NUS/articles/articl…

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  • Guys,

    Many Japanese cars will not have ISOFIX as it is a European standard for child seat fitment. Only the high end cars like Lexus (or other models which are targetted for European sales) will offer ISOFIX.

    ISOFIX is similar to RDS in head units. A European standard as well and not found in most Japanese cars no matter where they are sold (unless in Europe)

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  • karim on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    as expected….underpower.

    can't wait to see p2 mpv.

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  • brutal_driverz on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    To all my friends,please take note that this test were conducted with 7 adults onboard.But when parents and their children are inside(the overall weight is reduced),so there will be more better acceleration.But Paul,which MPV have better legroom for 3rd row seat?This Proton,Avanza,or Grand Livina?

    p/s:From MyBoy comments in this thread,i think he is not a basher but just comment on what he feel there is something wrong.

    To MyBoy,i like your style :D

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  • Akazamabamaboo on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Thumbs up for Proton!

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  • wahh.. cbt's mestioned no .."Cabin noise? This MPV was even quieter than the French car we drove two weeks ago, an amazing feat."

    wooww.. thats amazed me…

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  • elpaciko on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    [quote comment="220941"][quote comment="220936"]for u guys who cried "underpowered"…

    do u even read the article properly? or just skimming on everything just looking for the word "underpowered" and then cried out " aha i know its underpowered" at the mere mention of the word…

    maybe its true that malaysian dont like to read…[/quote]

    I ready and understand all of it. So what?[/quote]

    mmm… what makes u think that my comment was meant for u?

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    [quote comment="220921"]How if proton increased the CC to 1800cc or 2000cc..

    it might be more energy and more power..

    how if proton build the boby of eXora more long so, adult can seat more comfortable at 3rd rows..

    i guess people also agree with what i'm thinking..[/quote]

    From what I heard Proton currently working on the Turbo version of 1.6 CPS. Rumour has it that the max torque will be well above 200Nm which can be a good alternative of 1800cc and even 2000cc. Furthermore this Turbo version can safe weight as oppose to a bigger engine and I therefore support Proton's move.

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  • bmpower on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    [quote comment="220947"]as expected….underpower.

    can't wait to see p2 mpv.[/quote]

    it's not underpower lah!

    read carefully!

    blind basher!

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Regarding ISOFIX, I understand cost and the fact that nobody really knows how to use it. But if journalists don't call and fight for the rights of Malaysians to have safer Protons as Proton is most of the time the only thing they can afford that's not tiny, who else will? I feel I have to highlight it with constructive criticism. Yes it's 3 paragraphs but I feel that I needed those 3 paragraphs to justify why it should be included as standard.

    Regarding ISOFIX being an European standard – isn't that where Proton is selling its cars overseas? Don't even have to mention the European signal/wiper indicator layout, if Proton emulates that, why not ISOFIX too ;)

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    [quote comment="220955"][quote comment="220941"][quote comment="220936"]for u guys who cried "underpowered"…

    do u even read the article properly? or just skimming on everything just looking for the word "underpowered" and then cried out " aha i know its underpowered" at the mere mention of the word…

    maybe its true that malaysian dont like to read…[/quote]

    I ready and understand all of it. So what?[/quote]

    mmm… what makes u think that my comment was meant for u?[/quote]

    Because I do touched the topic as any other visitors. Why else do you think I reply? Anyway, It would be better if the Turbo version available right from the beginning. How would the pre-turbo buyers feel when the turbo version arrived? How the resell value going to reflect?

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  • zanggief on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Good job Paul.

    The overall design and workmanship look good for the new baby from Proton. As for the limited power output, it makes me think about those 'turbo' version car especially from Japanese or European country. I guess it's better for Proton to develop own turbocharge engine to install in this type high power consumption MPV.With a powerful engine output will surely assist Proton to compete with those Japanese car in this MPV segment.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    [quote comment="220959"]Regarding ISOFIX, I understand cost and the fact that nobody really knows how to use it. But if journalists don't call and fight for the rights of Malaysians to have safer Protons as Proton is most of the time the only thing they can afford that's not tiny, I feel I have to highlight it with constructive criticism.[/quote]

    Bravo bro!

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    [quote comment="220871"]looks nice indeed, i hope the price nicer[/quote]

    This is the best and the most constructive comment from P1 basher i ever heard….

    :)

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  • tansri on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    [quote comment="220904"][quote comment="220886"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    Some people will keep on defending even the things that can't be defended.[/quote]

    yes2..people believe what they want to believe..we should define the underpower or not is when there are 7 people for the mpv..we buy it for that reason..

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  • Take That on Mar 15, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Paul, thanks for the review.

    From all the reviews I've read thus far, things are looking good for this Proton MPV (minus the one by Mel Lee, which admittedly, sounded too good to be true). If a prototype is this impressive, I'm confident that the production units will be much better.

    Only one thing though that will bother and deter most buyers – reliability. If Proton can overcome this infamous problem of theirs, I foresee a good future for them.

    And hopefully, not too long afterward, we can see Proton compete on a level playing field with the other car manufacturers. Don't get me wrong. It's not that I will be glad because then I can purchase a Jap car for half of the current price, it's just that I *hate* handicapped competition. And if Proton still sells when the price is more or less like an imported car, the bashers can finally keep the mouth shut. For good.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    [quote comment="220963"][quote comment="220871"]looks nice indeed, i hope the price nicer[/quote]

    This is the best and the most constructive comment from P1 basher i ever heard….

    :)[/quote]

    Constructive comments come in more than one ways and certainly more than one expression. Haven't we think about that? :D

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    [quote comment="220908"][quote comment="220899"][quote comment="220886"]dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    7 full size adult, usually a family consist of 2 adult, 2~4kids for family. n it also means if u wan2 carry ur in-laws, u, wife, ur parents safely, it is possible. 1.6 petrol is consider as entry level engine for this mpv. i believe proton will plug in more powerful(e.g. turbo campro) quite soon, after all the engine bay is damn big for just 1.6. if u felt im defending, there is a difference between being reasonable n defending.[/quote]

    Entry level 1.6 Livina Auto (never really like it though) weigh just 1245KG While your so-called entry level MPV named Exora weigh 1380KG. In layman's word, empty Exora weigh like 1.6 Livina Auto PLUS two adult. Damn heavy for a monocoque MPV in its class.[/quote]

    Damn heavy? have u driven it?

    Or your butt-o-meter have some 'imaginary mode' and can sense the power of all cars out there without even driving it.

    As u can see, fastcx being fair… did'nt sound defending for me.

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  • BrakeFader on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Great review. It is a pity that a MPV for family is lacking ISO while a sports oriented Satria Neo has them. Maybe Proton doesn't aim to sell Exora to European or Australian markets like the Satria Neo. No requirement, so no need to add ISOFIX in.

    Your review also mention that the 3rd row passenger would have better comfort and doesn't feel bouncy which is something different. Most MPVs if not all have this bouncy or harse feeling for the most rear passengers which end up kids and adults feel like vommitting during long rides. If Proton can do this, it will be a great selling point.

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  • autojohndoe on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    [quote comment="220886"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    Paul stated 7 adults… not 7 ppl…

    i think it might "at power" or "overpower" if there are 2 adults, 3 teens and 2 kids in the car…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    [quote comment="220970"]Your review also mention that the 3rd row passenger would have better comfort and doesn't feel bouncy which is something different. Most MPVs if not all have this bouncy or harse feeling for the most rear passengers which end up kids and adults feel like vommitting during long rides. If Proton can do this, it will be a great selling point.[/quote]

    If it is indeed like that. I would say thumbs up to Proton. Keep up the good work.

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  • VTECkiller on Mar 15, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Nice review paul..at least u said something dat proton shud do about the safety concern.. +u+u

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    [quote comment="220960"]

    How would the pre-turbo buyers feel when the turbo version arrived? How the resell value going to reflect?[/quote]

    bro, its just common sense.. do you think a brand new turbo version (maybe with isofix by then) will cost the same price as the CPS version?

    if you buy a new car today, you will definitely expect a facelift to come along, and also with that facelift, more features, different specs, or better improvements..etc.. and the price almost always goes up.

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  • Alister on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Hmmm… Can't wait to see this on Australian shores. Something different.

    Once the Turbocharged Campro engine arrives, that would make it a worthy competitor over the Kia Rondo, Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, Renault Grand Scenic & VW Caddy Van (We don't get the Touaran down under.) here. Size wise, at least. I hope they offer it cheaper than Korean car prices though.

    [quote comment="220970"]Great review. It is a pity that a MPV for family is lacking ISO while a sports oriented Satria Neo has them. Maybe Proton doesn't aim to sell Exora to European or Australian markets like the Satria Neo. No requirement, so no need to add ISOFIX in.

    [/quote]

    From what I can remember (During the development of the GEN.2. I think I read it from a brochure or a website.), Proton followed rules set by the ADR (Australian Design Rules.).

    I hate to say this, but ISOFIX mounts are considered as unsafe/ not legal under the archaic ADRs (At the time of writing this comment.). Ridiculous I say. Neverheless, a lot of Euro car owners that I know will still buy ISOFIX child seats & use the mount as intended by the manufacturer, as it is safer than the so-called ADR-approved (Haha. Yeah right.) child seat anchorage points.

    Some of the silly rulings;

    -Chopping out the inner taillights on most grey imports just because they don't meet ADRs (Heh. As if less tail lights= safer.). Most owners just reconnect them back with some new wiring & plugs after compliance anyway.

    -HIDs. As most JDM imports with factory HID don't have both Auto level, headlight washers, theirs get chopped off & rebased (Crapily) with Halogen bulbs, ending up with worse than stock light output. Wished they drilled holes, add headlight washers (Hella makes them.) and took the time to develop an auto leveling kit of some kind (Heck, Hella makes aftermarket units, and I'm sure workshops can adapt them.), rather than taking gthe easy (But dangerous) way out. Same as above, the get reconnected after compliance and/ or inspection.

    -Stock foglights chopped off (V35 Skylines in particular.), just because they're part of the headlights.

    -Ugly, ADR-spec elephant ear-sized rear mudflaps on my parent's M-class is another example, while the rest of the world get smaller, nicer ones.

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  • Alister on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    oh, forgot to add.

    The two-tone light/ dark grey leather trim is a nice touch.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:14 pm

    [quote comment="220959"]Regarding ISOFIX, I understand cost and the fact that nobody really knows how to use it. But if journalists don't call and fight for the rights of Malaysians to have safer Protons as Proton is most of the time the only thing they can afford that's not tiny, who else will? I feel I have to highlight it with constructive criticism. Yes it's 3 paragraphs but I feel that I needed those 3 paragraphs to justify why it should be included as standard.

    Regarding ISOFIX being an European standard – isn't that where Proton is selling its cars overseas? Don't even have to mention the European signal/wiper indicator layout, if Proton emulates that, why not ISOFIX too ;)[/quote]

    paul, its great that you bring up the issue of ISOFIX. But, this is not just something for proton to improve on, but for all manufacturers in malaysia who also dont have it. There are other affordable cars as well on sale to Malaysians and i'm pretty sure they do not offer ISOFIX as well. lets hope people in proton listen to you, and do something about it, like how they listened to chips yap on the teh tarik hooks.

    but in terms of safety, i think its also fair to say that ISOFIX is not the final word in safety when talking about the exora.

    i think one of the most overlooked safety features of a proton, is definitely the right and handling, which is actually one of the most important active safety features.. Personally, I would prefer to be able to get myself out of an accident safely rather than have to rely on passive systems like the seatbelt, crash structure, airbags..etc. I consider those items the 2nd stage of safety. and rather not go there if i can help it.

    in general, most people do not seem to understand that good ride and handling doesn't mean a sports type performance. But with that kind of performance comes safe handling character, optimising tyre grip, good body control over all surfaces.. and many more things.

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  • mystiq on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:18 pm

    [quote comment="220956"][quote comment="220921"]How if proton increased the CC to 1800cc or 2000cc..

    it might be more energy and more power..

    how if proton build the boby of eXora more long so, adult can seat more comfortable at 3rd rows..

    i guess people also agree with what i'm thinking..[/quote]

    From what I heard Proton currently working on the Turbo version of 1.6 CPS. Rumour has it that the max torque will be well above 200Nm which can be a good alternative of 1800cc and even 2000cc. Furthermore this Turbo version can safe weight as oppose to a bigger engine and I therefore support Proton's move.[/quote]

    Also heard from somebody (proton) said that's kind of light turbo….hope that true…but i don't know what is light turbo means??? Maybe some one expert here can explain…happy motoring…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    [quote comment="220979"][quote comment="220960"]

    How would the pre-turbo buyers feel when the turbo version arrived? How the resell value going to reflect?[/quote]

    bro, its just common sense.. do you think a brand new turbo version (maybe with isofix by then) will cost the same price as the CPS version?

    if you buy a new car today, you will definitely expect a facelift to come along, and also with that facelift, more features, different specs, or better improvements..etc.. and the price almost always goes up.[/quote]

    It is not normal in Malaysia to get Turbo version of a model roughly less than 2 years after the initial launch. Normally facelift, even if sometimes comes with improved engine, still more or less not that much of a different. But with Turbo, it will make Exora Turbo a totally different beast compared to the 1.6 NA version of Exora in term of driveability.

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  • Wisdom on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    [quote comment="220912"][quote comment="220872"]Good job for the article Paul.

    I'm sure many reviewers out there (except for a few honest one) will give Exora much, much positive comments (no more tough comments) once they get their hands on the production version. After all, that is the one that are going to be put up for sale. So Proton will need all 'help' they can get.

    From reviews so far, I would say Good Job Proton for producing quite a good MPV. I'm sure the 2nd Gen (6 years from now, I hope) will be even better.[/quote]

    One 'anti-embargo' journalist even jack up Proton right from the beginning. :D

    So much for integrity.[/quote]

    You're answering yourself. What does that mean? self-talking?

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  • hmm…..for 1.6 engine, just like DSZ mentioned before, it has enough power to ferry this mpv though it is obvious to be underpower when full load adults(this should be expected)……but i do want to know when it compared to 1.5 avanza, 1.6 livina, and 1.5 perodua, which will give more power when on full load adults…..

    For this Exora, it has the comfort, good handling, just enough power (engine), …..for this time being, this will do the job as we should know, the timing is very important to launch this mpv is very IMPORTANT….u should know what will happen if proton choose to delay this just to wait for a proper engine engine (1.6 or 1.8 turbocharge) made available and only launch it after Perodua launch their "own" mpv….that would be bad for proton (see what happened when savvy n myvi launched).

    this kind of test drive reviews from the medias (PT, Motor trader, etc2) would give a good impression for Proton to gain buyers confidence in this mpv…….bear in mind that Perodua already launch psychological statement by stating that their MPV has "more than enough" power, loads of features, etc2 and it will be priced between 60-70k (refer to NST)……it may just be mere statement but it clearly can affect proton a lot.

    so, proton must gain this advantage as much as possible.

    each product will have its pros and cons….this is the first ever mpv from proton, a decent one i think and they just need to move forward and keep on improving (maybe on engine technology).

    peace.

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  • NutzeyWagen on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Proton during its' early formative years was like a spoilt, stubborn child who wanted things his ways and wouldn't listen to any reasonings. Then during its' teenage years, it was a delinquent. Broke most rules laid down and insisting of doing all things "his way", got into more troubles and see where/how it ended up? Now into its' twenties, it seems that Proton had finally seen its' own folly, and trying hard to change for the better and also trying to impress others with its' sincere changes and in the process win over its' detractors.

    KEEP IT UP & GOOD LUCK, PROTON! YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT!

    Chiao!

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  • Alister on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    [quote comment="220985"]

    Also heard from somebody (proton) said that's kind of light turbo….hope that true…but i don't know what is light turbo means??? Maybe some one expert here can explain…happy motoring…[/quote]

    Light Pressure Turbo

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  • muryadi on Mar 15, 2009 at 11:46 pm

    I think Proton launching this MPV next month April-2009 with a special transmission tuning – 1.6 Campro CPS engine, which the performance is adequate is really a smart move.

    It's better to launch it now rather than have to wait for 1.6 Campro+CPS plus Turbo which might take another year or more to be produced.

    I also strongly believe with some proper tuning the current 1.6 Campro CPS will be more than enough to move this MPV and with some reserved power.

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  • NutzeyWagen on Mar 16, 2009 at 12:00 am

    Launching of the MPV had been set for APRIL 15 (confirmed)

    Chiao!

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  • kas2pepper on Mar 16, 2009 at 12:03 am

    not bad for the 1st mpv..it maybe can be more better for 2nd model..i guess

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  • infinity on Mar 16, 2009 at 12:03 am

    read in TheStar tat the frame is inserted with foam, while the roof, base, doors and firewall are inserted with sound insulating materials…which is good…

    using foam, i think it's a first for proton right?correct me if i am wrong…

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  • infinity on Mar 16, 2009 at 12:05 am

    [quote comment="220997"]Launching of the MPV had been set for APRIL 15 (confirmed)

    Chiao![/quote]

    tat's exactly 1 month from now!!i wonder wat magic will proton do within this 1 month period to improve this exora…perhaps fixing ISOFIX??haha..

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  • mitlanevo on Mar 16, 2009 at 12:19 am

    1 month? aiyo, just wait and see lah……

    i think nothing much left to improve, the Exora is ready to go…..

    but a 2.0 CPS will be a great option, hope Proton can sort out something later….

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  • the fuel price drop at1.30ct………can make 1.6 turbo cps….

    so far this test drive experience can hit others same group car model………………..ha hahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Wisdom on Mar 16, 2009 at 1:19 am

    The 'other' review stated 90% of the user will have no complaint with the engine power while only 10% will feel Exora lacks of pull.

    He can count some of that 10% here.

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  • Kok Wai on Mar 16, 2009 at 1:51 am

    [quote comment="220993"]Proton during its' early formative years was like a spoilt, stubborn child who wanted things his ways and wouldn't listen to any reasonings. Then during its' teenage years, it was a delinquent. Broke most rules laid down and insisting of doing all things "his way", got into more troubles and see where/how it ended up? Now into its' twenties, it seems that Proton had finally seen its' own folly, and trying hard to change for the better and also trying to impress others with its' sincere changes and in the process win over its' detractors.

    Chiao![/quote]

    An excellent description/metaphor…………..

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  • Prismo on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:00 am

    [quote comment="220905"][quote comment="220904"][quote comment="220886"][quote comment="220754"]for those who keep saying it is underpower, i believe u guys din really read the whole thing? its 7 adults, in auto…but ofcz, if its turbo 1.6, it will be a lot better. there is always a facelift in future ma ;) remember?[/quote]

    dude…did u drive mpv onli u in the car???thats wut they meant..this car will b underpowered if there are 7 ppl in the car..so no point..proton should upgrade the engine…plz face the fact la..xkan bnde tu pn ko nk defend…da mmg btol pn…haiya…[/quote]

    Some people will keep on defending even the things that can't be defended.[/quote]

    we considered it Pro-Proton![/quote]

    And some peoples will keep on bashing even the things that cant be bashed.

    And can we considered it's as Proton-bashers? :)

    how about TJCC TTS guys? i'm just passing by here… tomorrow i will go to Bali… honeymoon vacation… hehe… :)

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  • Littlefire on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:00 am

    [quote comment="220959"]Regarding ISOFIX, I understand cost and the fact that nobody really knows how to use it. But if journalists don't call and fight for the rights of Malaysians to have safer Protons as Proton is most of the time the only thing they can afford that's not tiny, who else will? I feel I have to highlight it with constructive criticism. Yes it's 3 paragraphs but I feel that I needed those 3 paragraphs to justify why it should be included as standard.

    Regarding ISOFIX being an European standard – isn't that where Proton is selling its cars overseas? Don't even have to mention the European signal/wiper indicator layout, if Proton emulates that, why not ISOFIX too ;)[/quote]

    Yes, Paul. I already trying to tell Proton they need to improve their safety… See through all my review about proton in this blog and you will know what i am trying to tell. What Paul mention for the traction, stability control is important nowadays. Search for wikipedia and you will know how important it is! Prevent is better then hitting it!

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  • stanley on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:03 am

    Too many people going in here and it took so long to load nvm keep the servers busy…

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  • fadzly on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:18 am

    GOOD JOB PAUL!!! u look chubby. i tot u were tall and slim.. Muahahaha

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  • Prismo on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:30 am

    today, my title is a married man… i'm looking forward to buy Exora… for my upcoming kids… :) good job proton..

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  • sphiroth on Mar 16, 2009 at 2:35 am

    If they really come up with a turbo ver of the CPS, I really hope that it can be bolt on to CPS engine so that people who bought the non-turbo can get an extra power and less 2nd hand value depreciation (and I also can bolt on the turbo in my car, hehehe).

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  • Lawrence on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:06 am

    ISOFIX or not… I am FIXED on EXORA

    Love the gear shift design

    Only wished more exterior photos were leaked

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  • [quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    I folow…bye-bye bumpy a-VAN-za .

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  • Wisdom on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:40 am

    [quote comment="221019"]If they really come up with a turbo ver of the CPS, I really hope that it can be bolt on to CPS engine so that people who bought the non-turbo can get an extra power and less 2nd hand value depreciation (and I also can bolt on the turbo in my car, hehehe).[/quote]

    Sorry to disappoints u but its not that simple..

    Current form of Campro CPS is suited to current outpun. if they were to equipped CPS with turbo (variable geometry preferably), the internals of the engine will be uprated to cope with additional output. There were parts to be forged, lightened, redesigned and modified.

    You still can modified or bolt in supercharger or turbo but usually will result on reliability issue. Thats what holding Proton to come up with turbo or higher capacity engine for Exora. Its not a simple 'rebore'.

    The best is to test drive this Exora first and see whether current CPS output is enough for u. The next facelift (with turbo or higher cc) will surely have higher pricetag.

    From my calculation, in current form, Exora is as sluggish as Myvi or Avanza 1.5 (if u consider them sluggish). If u can accept it then go for it

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  • kimi_ on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:40 am

    [quote comment="221014"]GOOD JOB PAUL!!! u look chubby. i tot u were tall and slim.. Muahahaha[/quote]

    AGREE!!!

    Paul,u in the photo are different from my initial impression!!!

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  • temp2escape on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:43 am

    same like my Gen2 1.3. Underpowered.

    Takes time to move from stand still.

    Need to turn off the air-cond for more power/pickup when trying to get across busy crossjunctions or enter busy roundabouts.

    But it is still a good car.

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  • kimi_ on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:44 am

    more handsome……Hehe:)

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  • so far so good, but still kena tunggu takut pisang berbuah dua kali macam Persona, kereta ok tapi lepas beli 2 bulan keluar assesori yang lagi baik, frust fist buyer.

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  • mystvearn on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:59 am

    1st, everyone already guess that it was underpowered, you just confirmed it. Seriously, Proton should consider placing a 2.0L engine in the car. Lots of people are buying Secondhand estimas shows that 2.0 is really necessary. Proton just cannot transplant the V6 engine into this car? Then again, maybe not. Engine too old. maybe proton should do like BMW, 2 turbos. Low rev turbo to get the RPM increased higher so that the car has more pick up. Then again, that will cost more.

    2nd, people don't really care about the ISOFIX, in fact, if you did not mentioned it here, people will never know as well. Thats how the Malaysian mentality is. If they are going to buy a decent MPV, not the perodua Rusa or some Econovan or china brand MPV, then this is their best choice. Next, they will fill it full. This car will be used a lot. I can see that this car replacing what the original Toyota Unser did. Avanza/Innova is there, but not close.

    About the airbags, I can only see that people who buy this car want to protect themselves. Front passengers get 2 airbags. Kids at back, get glass screen as comfort. If someone rams from behind, kids die first. Adults still safe cause of crumple zone and airbags.

    Good point, why does the Neo needs ISOFIX points and a family MPV does not? Maybe if you have a MPV, your kids are big and the Neo is for family's starting getting new offspring?

    I noticed the windscreen wipers are old version? Not those new aerodynamic version?

    If you got invited to drive a car, belive me, people in proton will read this. And hopefully "terkena batang hidung" whoever that decided the car drawbacks mentioned here were a enough. Maybe you need to take a roundabout in 1st gear:P

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  • mystvearn on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:02 am

    I noticed something, you drove to Karak and back without road tax:P

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  • Zaff1984 on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:14 am

    glad to hear that noise level for EXORA is impressive. thankful hearing that every row got its own air condition vent suitable for our tropical climate (two-thumbs up), little bit disappointed that the 1.6CPS a bit underpower because pick up is important. Proton take your time to overcome underpower before releasing EXORA. Tired driving manual.

    I think they save the 1.6CPS turbo for another Proton MPV which is more higher end product that can compete with the same class like Alphard for full size MPV class.

    anticipated to read more review on interior built quality from paul.

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  • ridzyroo on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:28 am

    Brilliant post! Made me feel like I was in the actual car!

    I hope proton actually manages to develop their own 2.0 liter engine and keep it at that to stay below the road tax bracket.

    Imagine having additional accessories include turbo. That would be something.

    Keep up the good writing =)

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  • EricG on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:35 am

    its not underpowered. If too much power, ppl would complain about the FC. the amount of power is just right.

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  • [quote comment="221033"]I noticed something, you drove to Karak and back without road tax:P[/quote]

    Haiya…guna trade plate la tu…mana ada road tax

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  • zoule HCo on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:44 am

    1 day more than 200+++ post already..

    Proton MPV – Most waiting car for 2009.

    Good Job.

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  • Amazingly,Exora managed to get several hundreds of comments.Either that is good or bad, I don't know….I'm more leaning towards its a good sign

    What matters now is the final quality of the car.Hopefully it won't drag down the good stuff PT commented

    I'm interested with the car….hmmm….if only….

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  • bmpower on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:48 am

    the first pic, it was you aaa paul in pic? waaa… i tot you tall and 'skinny' than that. so now.. i think you're really 'big' person. And that's mean increase the weight of overall car.. :p :D how weight you are?

    btw.. if i not mistake, that picture was taken at genting sempah. Because the background was similiar to MacD genting sempah.. Am i right?

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  • fardausrahmat on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:57 am

    Yeyyeye… good review… I'll wait for the real MPV to be launched and get my test drive… if there's any light turbo and the MPV is good.. why not I consider one? hehhe…

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  • ah nevermind bout the ISOFIX lah.

    only 1/1000 of us using tht.

    btw, regarding to the ISOFIX issue.

    ISOFIX= Im So Fix with Exora

    yeah!

    give it up!

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  • Paul,

    Would it be great to have a poll function to determine how many ppl would like to get one?

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  • osh_kosh on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:22 am

    already 200+ comment when i read this thread.. can't read all the comments but really enjoyed reading your post Paul… as always… :) Good Job & keep it up…

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  • go proton go!

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  • firdaus on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:52 am

    I think Proton have set himself on par with other establish car manufacturer… Exore clearly does! with the given price and quality, it is a bargain… so yes… Proton should aim higher after this… to lead the market… I think it is clear message in this article…

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  • bobdbilder on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:06 am

    Dudes, its a bit of a no brainer to expect car performance from a people hauler or soccer mom's taxis. Normally, there is a difference when driving with load and without. The suspension is set up for load (like Avanza spring leafs). An MPV actually handles better when weight is distributed from front to end. Coz the dampers are designed with 7 people in mind. Well if designers targeted the typical family; 2 adults in front and 3 kids running port-starboard, 2 kid jumping up and down. And if they did the demographics, smaller kids tend to sit at the back. Mine likes to lie on the luggage space behind the third row.

    Tip: Get them to understand, that RM300 fine is going to come out from their piggy.

    Well if you remove 70% of that load it was designed for, you're moving the center of gravity up front, it gets higher from the axles not to mention removing the load from those dampers. And you can really get some tail happy action negotiating a 180 turn.

    But Lotus Engineering has got some nice configuration software like SHARK and RAVEN would do it better than most. So, that would probably save the day.

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  • DAPATKAN SEGERA on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:20 am

    Don't test drive on the high-way,must test drive on to climbing hill,sure under-power and breathless engine…iNginKaH AndA mEmANdu sEbUaH MPV uMpAMa mEmANdu sEbUah LoRRy?Segera dapatkan Exora hari ini…Baru beli,tapi leaking sana-sini.Bunyi misteri dalam cabin sudah pasti.Atas high-way sure kat lorong paling kiri.Nak jual no value for money.Meranalah kelian sampai kemati…Fikirlah baik-baik…APA GUNA SUPPORT BARANG MALAYSIA,TAPI BARANG MALAYSIA TAK SUPPORT PENGGUNA MALAYSIA…….

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  • I don't think they are that dumb to ignore conditions involving lesser people. I'm sure it won't go tail happy even with the centre of gravity moves around

    There are such things as dark art,which is hard to explain how the suspension development (the secret ingredients) works. SHARKnRAVEN only works in the early stage my friend,as all the CAD/CAE.After the prototype comes out,not much u can do with it except to validate the changes. The next step involves suspension tuning is more tedious and mind-boggling.These are the things you can't really teach directly unless u do it. Dampers can do wonders,thats all i can say.It's not the software/machines/equipment that gives you refinement in vehicle dynamics.It's the people.Those stuff helps you in determining which way to go but it's up to the people to decide intelligently

    Having more weight meaning having more inertia which will move around and will give extra force when cornering.That is the basic newton's law. To support the load transfer is the most difficult thing to do.Having lesser people gives an easier damping forces to work with

    Stop commenting based on assumptions.Drive the bloody car first.I think some people read too much books/theory and forgot the real world has a working system that actually works.Give a little credit to them will ya

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  • [quote comment="220939"][quote comment="220931"][quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    You dont need to pay much by trading your Toyota to a Proton, maybe your will get extra money on your hand.[/quote]

    Extra money? Are you kidding? Sure Avanza will feel the burn (especially the 2nd had price) when Exora has been launched (provided everything else is as good as the test car).[/quote]

    Op…I got mistake, he own Avanza, not Estima. At the same level price, it surely give Avanza harmfully. Finally, local car could compare with oversea and lower down their price. What a wonderful day (@v@)V

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  • I got mistake, he own Avanza, not Estima. At the same level price, it surely give Avanza harmfully. Finally, local car could compare with oversea and lower down their price. What a wonderful day (@v@)V

    Good forward Proton.

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  • lee chong wei won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! finally…

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  • moha774 on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:44 am

    Want a bigger capacity engine for Exora?? just wait for its Mitsubishi version and pray for grey importers to bring it here..

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  • [quote comment="220931"][quote comment="220915"]I am doing the unthinkable… i am trading in my Toyota to a Proton ….. Selling my Avanza for Exora… Black the way to go[/quote]

    You dont need to pay much by trading your Toyota to a Proton, maybe your will get extra money on your hand.[/quote]

    way to go… let's do it… send toyota a message. Exora sure is more hansem than the toyota retard. I might put an exora in my garage… but only after me and my family test drive it and happy with it..

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  • Tengokaje.. on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Nice comment Paul. Hopeflly P1 manage to fine tuning a little bit more from this lady exora 1 month from the launch date.. Good job Proton. I love this country.

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  • i wanna ask , what is the exactly definition for underpower ??

    i see some ppl up there stated the car can go 160 so no underpower which i consider as funny because any car with enough power can do it but with a long distance lah

    for me , underpower is when you start form standstill , the engine need to push hard for a adequate acceleration , or when the car slow down , its hard for its to achieve a higher speed even when you floor the padel . or if would feel no power when going up hills or in parking which have many floor , would it need to push hard (rev until 3~4k in first gear )just to move fast abit

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  • ISOFIX is an international standard, not just Europe. US requires it in all new cars. It has different names in different countries (i.e. LATCH in US) but the concept is the same. It is not only more convenient but provides better attachment than even perfectly installed seat belt models. Imported car seat with ISOFIX is about RM 700-1k and widely available at many middle range and higher baby shops.

    Once again Proton has a chance to lead the way in safety for its own domestic market but will as usual maintain the woeful status quo. It's shameful for something marketed towards families. Like Paul said, it's not about how many people are using it right now but rather about how many people might be using it in the future when they've been educated by their car manufacturer. Certainly more affordable local brands including isofix will be likely if Proton leads the way, it's not exactly a high-tech system after all.

    Paul mentioned they said cost was a factor, but funnily enough, every new Proton sold in the UK comes with ISOFIX as STANDARD, even the Savvy. This despite often selling for cheaper there than locally. Not everyone in the UK uses them, but it's still available nonetheless for those who choose to. So then, are Malaysian kids not worth it?

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  • Tiadaid on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:29 am

    [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    oh shut up!

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  • MyBoy on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:49 am

    [quote comment="221087"]i wanna ask , what is the exactly definition for underpower ??

    i see some ppl up there stated the car can go 160 so no underpower which i consider as funny because any car with enough power can do it but with a long distance lah

    for me , underpower is when you start form standstill , the engine need to push hard for a adequate acceleration , or when the car slow down , its hard for its to achieve a higher speed even when you floor the padel . or if would feel no power when going up hills or in parking which have many floor , would it need to push hard (rev until 3~4k in first gear )just to move fast abit[/quote]

    Agree with you. Proton seems weak in this department.

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Mar 16, 2009 at 9:32 am

    [quote comment="221016"]today, my title is a married man… i'm looking forward to buy Exora… for my upcoming kids… :) good job proton..[/quote]

    Congratulations!! Have a great honeymoon in Bali!!

    I've been thinking abt the ISOFIX issue…… had DSZ done too much of Perodua-ing Proton? The kinda excuse Paul mention there sounded normal if it's in Perodua since they're driven by nothing but absolute profit, but Proton =.= …… they have got to know their line…….

    Proton shud know that Msians are a gullible lot. It's like, if Perodua says some honeycomb thingy fitted on Viva's A-pillar + twin airbags + ABS, voila, ppl will buy thinking Viva is very "safe" car (quite the opposite IMHO). So if Proton just fit in ISOFIX then promote it gila2, voila, ppl will think it's safe, and better still, it IS safer than what comes out from T lol.

    Underpowered? For crying out loud, it's not like its top speed is 2 miles per year!!! Undertorque is probably more like it, but it's not as terrible as aVANza 1.3 n 1.5.

    Hmm… Chips Yap wrote something generally positive although I dun quite understand why he would compare Exora's rpm @ 100km/h to T Vios. Too much T fanboy-ism there until forgot to compare wit aVANza 1.3's rpm @ 100km/h is it? Then talk abt implication on f/c, well, well, is aVANza's f/c something he'd dare to shout abt?

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  • I kinda feel weird with some ppl that not even touch this mpv but talk like he/she does know all.

    Even the journalists like PT drove the prototype version of the mpv and not the final product of the model yet.

    I think p1 have some surprise to come out at launching day when the test drive is only the prototype one not the actual final product.

    Who know it may be better?

    After u test drive the final production one then u can say what u want.

    After all, P1 did a very good move when introducing this MPV after 2+ years formed, this achievement was quite good isn't?

    I wonder how long the 'J' car company takes to produces their own mpv?

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  • koozold on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:33 am

    hey Paul~~how about the BCM???what is the function of this module???

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  • Wisdom on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:35 am

    [quote comment="221068"]Don't test drive on the high-way,must test drive on to climbing hill,sure under-power and breathless engine…iNginKaH AndA mEmANdu sEbUaH MPV uMpAMa mEmANdu sEbUah LoRRy?Segera dapatkan Exora hari ini…Baru beli,tapi leaking sana-sini.Bunyi misteri dalam cabin sudah pasti.Atas high-way sure kat lorong paling kiri.Nak jual no value for money.Meranalah kelian sampai kemati…Fikirlah baik-baik…APA GUNA SUPPORT BARANG MALAYSIA,TAPI BARANG MALAYSIA TAK SUPPORT PENGGUNA MALAYSIA…….[/quote]

    You play too much at poetry blogs or something and miss the latest update on our local cars…..

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  • Tokmoh don't "Chips Yap" he still trauma with Proton's case.

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  • don't blame Chips yap…..

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  • [quote comment="221094"][quote comment="221016"]today, my title is a married man… i'm looking forward to buy Exora… for my upcoming kids… :) good job proton..[/quote]

    Congratulations!! Have a great honeymoon in Bali!!

    I've been thinking abt the ISOFIX issue…… had DSZ done too much of Perodua-ing Proton? The kinda excuse Paul mention there sounded normal if it's in Perodua since they're driven by nothing but absolute profit, but Proton =.= …… they have got to know their line…….

    Proton shud know that Msians are a gullible lot. It's like, if Perodua says some honeycomb thingy fitted on Viva's A-pillar + twin airbags + ABS, voila, ppl will buy thinking Viva is very "safe" car (quite the opposite IMHO). So if Proton just fit in ISOFIX then promote it gila2, voila, ppl will think it's safe, and better still, it IS safer than what comes out from T lol.

    Underpowered? For crying out loud, it's not like its top speed is 2 miles per year!!! Undertorque is probably more like it, but it's not as terrible as aVANza 1.3 n 1.5.

    Hmm… Chips Yap wrote something generally positive although I dun quite understand why he would compare Exora's rpm @ 100km/h to T Vios. Too much T fanboy-ism there until forgot to compare wit aVANza 1.3's rpm @ 100km/h is it? Then talk abt implication on f/c, well, well, is aVANza's f/c something he'd dare to shout abt?[/quote]

    avanza and exora have tune the same thing to make it have more power to move that is final gear ratio . which lead to higher a fc , some avanza owner can score 0.11 sen for highway used ,however how it is done then i dunno la, maybe chris need to compare to g.livina which also 2k rpm + for 100km/h

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  • [quote comment="221105"]Tokmoh don't "Chips Yap" he still trauma with Proton's case.[/quote]

    i think proton is super over reacted at that time , even now , their ppl will get scold if a spyshot is capture and appear on internet . Do proton know spyshot is a kind of promotion as well , make ppl wonder and wait for it.

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  • Imran on Mar 16, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    [quote comment="221117"][quote comment="221105"]Tokmoh don't "Chips Yap" he still trauma with Proton's case.[/quote]

    i think proton is super over reacted at that time , even now , their ppl will get scold if a spyshot is capture and appear on internet . Do proton know spyshot is a kind of promotion as well , make ppl wonder and wait for it.[/quote]

    I don't think they will get scold if someone take the picture of the mpv when it is on the road. It's when their refueling at gas station or park the car somewhere. When that happens, they might be in trouble.

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  • bmpower on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    [quote comment="221094"]

    Hmm… Chips Yap wrote something generally positive although I dun quite understand why he would compare Exora's rpm @ 100km/h to T Vios. Too much T fanboy-ism there until forgot to compare wit aVANza 1.3's rpm @ 100km/h is it? Then talk abt implication on f/c, well, well, is aVANza's f/c something he'd dare to shout abt?[/quote]

    yea yea… that's the funniest phase i read on Chips article. He compare it with T vios (a car). Luckily he didn't compare it with Skyline GTR :D.

    Oh btw.. Chips did a test to go on Bukit Tinggi (but why not paul too test it on bukit tinggi?) . But seems he clearly said, there's no problem at all. So i assume this mpv have adequate power to climb Genting too! And you basher, keep bear in mind.. that we were NOT climbing to genting everyday! Hahaha… And, do anyone know how suffer are avanza climbing to genting? anyone?

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  • toorelaxed on Mar 16, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    Can't believe Proton overlooked ISOFIX points in a FAMILY MPV. how typically myopic…. always moving a step forward and then back again. might as well not have an family MPV at all.

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 16, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    The lack of certain features such as ISOFIX points in the Malaysian version in no way cripples the ability of the Exora to be a fine MPV of course but it reflects the still on-going shortchanging that Malaysian consumers always seem to get, because from what I was told, ISOFIX will be in the export cars.

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  • middels8088 (Member) on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    You really don't know what are good cars right???

    At lease the Exora is better that the Avanza…

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    [quote comment="221089"]

    Paul mentioned they said cost was a factor, but funnily enough, every new Proton sold in the UK comes with ISOFIX as STANDARD, even the Savvy. This despite often selling for cheaper there than locally. Not everyone in the UK uses them, but it's still available nonetheless for those who choose to. So then, are Malaysian kids not worth it?[/quote]

    for sure isofix is important. but i think another important thing is the actual use of child seats.. how many times do you see kids in cars, or mpvs.. on the laps of their mothers..etc?

    honestly, a child seat properly secured, even without isofix is a hundred times better than no child seat at all.

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  • Paul Tan on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    why not proton scrap its football team and other nonsense and instead run a campaign educating the public on the usage of proper safety equipment, and help people afford child seats etc via packaging em in the hire purchase loan? i am sure they can make some profit from the seat sales also. why proton parts center can do thule, why not look into this too? honda has already made a big push into child seats etc. http://www.honda.net.my/products/accessories.cfm

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  • Prismo on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Thank u tokmoh…this was my last comment today until i came back from vacation…

    [quote comment="221068"]Don't test drive on the high-way,must test drive on to climbing hill,sure under-power and breathless engine…iNginKaH AndA mEmANdu sEbUaH MPV uMpAMa mEmANdu sEbUah LoRRy?Segera dapatkan Exora hari ini…Baru beli,tapi leaking sana-sini.Bunyi misteri dalam cabin sudah pasti.Atas high-way sure kat lorong paling kiri.Nak jual no value for money.Meranalah kelian sampai kemati…Fikirlah baik-baik…APA GUNA SUPPORT BARANG MALAYSIA,TAPI BARANG MALAYSIA TAK SUPPORT PENGGUNA MALAYSIA…….[/quote]

    U sound just like a desperate T, H, P2, N etc salesman… u noe, " when a frog hiding under coconut shell, it's thinking with the little small hole they peeeeepd out, that is the WHOLE WORLD, that whole world MUST obey" (SUPPORT BARANG MALAYSIA,TAPI BARANG MALAYSIA TAK SUPPORT PENGGUNA MALAYSIA) what does this mean??

    [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    Hahaha.. this man is hiding inside my small pants.. have a big hole to peeeeeeping out, but his brain cant support what've he seen….

    p/s: still live in the past :)

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    [quote comment="221142"]why not proton scrap its football team and other nonsense and instead run a campaign educating the public on the usage of proper safety equipment, and help people afford child seats etc via packaging em in the hire purchase loan? i am sure they can make some profit from the seat sales also. why proton parts center can do thule, why not look into this too? honda has already made a big push into child seats etc. http://www.honda.net.my/products/accessories.cfm[…

    honda ma.. power of dreams ;) hehe

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  • emykert on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    [quote comment="220999"]read in TheStar tat the frame is inserted with foam, while the roof, base, doors and firewall are inserted with sound insulating materials…which is good…

    using foam, i think it's a first for proton right?correct me if i am wrong…[/quote]

    Ermm…I thought that proton already use this kind of thing in proton Perdana V6 n satria GTI b4…

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  • DjVanilLa on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Hi..long way to go guys..

    P1 good,now they should R&D the Safety part;)

    Hmmm…about ISOFIX issue,what about another MPV yeah..such as AVANZA,ESTIMA,STREAM,ODYSSEY,WISH,INNOVA n ect..do they got the ISOFIX..can u shortlist it for us PAUL:)

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  • King Samurai on Mar 16, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    KickingDust… are you the one of the trainers in Proton's COE? No offense, just wondering. Anyhow, you did a good job Paul and that's what we call a fair review. Some good points and some are really the blind spots that proton has to improve.

    Regarding ISOFIX, yes its the european standards for child safety in a car not yet not all Japanese car have it but I just disagree that only Lexus' and other high end models have it. Most of family-orientated Japanese cars have the ISOFIX features. My JDM Airwave have those hinges as standard features and is really usefull when you don't have to pull your seat belt and wrap it around the child seat.

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  • EricG on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Is there any aftermarket ISOFIX?

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  • [quote comment="221137"]The lack of certain features such as ISOFIX points in the Malaysian version in no way cripples the ability of the Exora to be a fine MPV of course but it reflects the still on-going shortchanging that Malaysian consumers always seem to get, because from what I was told, ISOFIX will be in the export cars.[/quote]

    PAUL:

    If someone able to read between the line, ISOFIX thing easily can 'kill' other competing MPV or those prefer car to ferry their most precious investment (read KIDS).

    Installing ISOFIX mean you'll limit your car to only certain number of people (say 7 for seven people, irrespective of big or small) and subsequently you can't think of a car as no matter big, cool, decent R&H whatsoever, you need to limit number of passenger in your car.

    In simpler word, l'll put like this: Even though l only have two kids now, l should consider a MPV rather than a car as in future need really suggests that once l got three kids l need more space (with each ISOFIX individual seat anchors fixed).

    Thus, no more people squeezed 7 family members in a sedan or 10 in an Avanza! Maybe this is too ideal BUT we must encourage our society to think over SAFETY first. Remember, Proton already has THULE to carry extra luggage (of course will kill FC but it's inevitable) then ISOFIX will perfected the mpv.

    Try to make AVANZA buyers think (no pun intended) my RWD 'mpv' has no safety feature though l going to pay RM70K+ for a Japanese brand; mated-born in Indonesia buyers in mind BUT now raised in P2 factory and using highly revered TOYOTA showrooms. Avanza is good benchmark of how consumer behavior heavily shaped by a trusted brand. Just matter of time P1 should behave like Toyota in term of quality. Offer a basic product BUT performed well and exciting (l don't think Avanza has this sense).

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  • madimat on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    ISOFIX is now becoming a very, very big issue in Paultan.Org.

    Paul,

    I hope you can provide us a the full and a very detail list of cars SOLD IN MALAYSIA which has ISOfix Child restraints as a standard. Thank you.

    .peace!

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  • nyawere on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    People…!!!!!

    PLease bear in mind that Paul tested this car with 7 people inside it. Of course it will be sluggish. But it is still bearable…. that is the most important thing.

    Try driving the Avanza 1.5 with 7 people and you will find that this Exora is superfast…. Even the Citra 2.0 with 7 people seems sluggish. As for the Grand Livina 1.6, this would be a true head to head showdown, but i cannot comment as i never driven the car with 7 people.

    But remember, this is a people mover with space in mind and not speed. It was designed to makan cars like the Innova, Avanza, Livina and even Wish in terms of pricing and space. If you want more power for a people mover, than do pay double the price of thisw proton for a Wish or Stream.

    To me, if the price is cheper or around the same as Avanza, and it uotperform way better in terms of space and speed, it will be a hit product.

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  • farghmee on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    [quote comment="221068"]…iNginKaH AndA mEmANdu sEbUaH MPV uMpAMa mEmANdu sEbUah LoRRy?Segera dapatkan Exora hari ini…Baru beli,tapi leaking sana-sini.Bunyi misteri dalam cabin sudah pasti.Atas high-way sure kat lorong paling kiri.Nak jual no value for money…[/quote]

    Bro dh try drive ke?

    pasal re-sale value ni, katakan sume org beli kete toyota vios.

    kemudian nk jual. tp bukan sorg, tp ramai2 nk jual.

    mesti re-sale dia jadi murah gak kn sbb byk kete vios di pasaran.

    hehehe..perodua mpv, kalu yg 1.6l 125hp ni pn org dh kata underpower full load, lagikn pulak yg 1.5l full load? ;)

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  • about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…

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  • kickdust… how r u… long time no see. heard u at the Mitsu?

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  • farghmee on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    btw, i've never driven any mpv before. so i can't compare (with others).

    however, i've sat at rear in avanza, bergoyang rasa nk tmuntah!

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  • tokmoh (Member) on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    [quote comment="221142"]why not proton scrap its football team and other nonsense and instead run a campaign educating the public on the usage of proper safety equipment, and help people afford child seats etc via packaging em in the hire purchase loan? i am sure they can make some profit from the seat sales also. why proton parts center can do thule, why not look into this too? honda has already made a big push into child seats etc. //www.honda.net.my/products/accessories.cfm[/quote]

    Right on target. Msians need some desperate awareness n education on safety.

    Just look at responses on compulsory rear seat belt ruling. Many say kroni la, duit kopi la, this la that la. Why the paradox? If a car dun hv twin airbags n abs say not safe la therefore terus dun want to buy, then seat belt is not safety feature is it? Dah kasi tak nak pakai pula, haih……

    Perodua had been abusing our ppl's gullibility for too long, it's not funny anymore. They're only fooling the japanese fanboy when they say some honeycomb thingy on A-pillar, twin airbags n abs (oni for premium plak tu) makes it a "safe" car.

    I had thought Proton succumbed to it too when they chose to fit in a driver's airbag instead of ABS (a more useful safety feature compared to driver's airbag IMHO) in the Persona n Saga m-line, but that decision was made based on surveys, so I guess the people are to be blamed here. But nvm, Proton can decide to take a pro-active step in creating awareness on safety when launching Exora, but then comes this pula =.=

    But overall, I'm still glad Proton's safety standard is still better than Perodua's. Nevertheless, we ought to be their check and balance to ensure their standard can only go up, not going down because they want to "save cost". Brape sen je pun……

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  • initial R on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    Nice Comment Paul….

    By the way, can you guy's tell me how many MPV with same body weight, same engine power, same gear ratio & with people 7 adult on board that make total weight almost 2 tone but not suffer from underpower syndrome. We have to remember this is MPV that design to move big family or group of people with comfort. For me from PT test drive review, i understand that Exora have fair enough power to pull the weight of his load. Paul also mention this exora can cruse 160/km with out problem. Oh god… come guy's… even alphard & estima also have lag on power.

    Isofix Prob, i also have to agree with Paul. However, how many of ppl ride on car used they seatbelt & how many people fix the Children Seat at the back. For my observation just only 10% used it for they child sefty. BTW, Child seat also right now came with variance of seat belt attachment that can fix to the non-fix isofix car. But for me this can put as 1 of sefety sales point.

    Also good job for Proton to reduse cabin noice with install noise absorbent. Form inside the frame was very good for MPV to absorb the vibation & make the frame more strong with out to put more on weight.

    1month i think just enough for Proton boys to re-tune a bit more exora. They have very good platform to start with. Keep it up Bro….

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  • [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    what the hell man. Avanza is the suckiest MPV in Malaysia. People bought it because they didn't have any choice. Now they have and Avanza sales will burnt surely.

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  • KickingDust on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Paul Tan said,

    March 16, 2009 @ 9:21 am · Reply with quote

    why not proton scrap its football team and other nonsense and instead run a campaign educating the public on the usage of proper safety equipment, and help people afford child seats etc via packaging em in the hire purchase loan? i am sure they can make some profit from the seat sales also. why proton parts center can do thule, why not look into this too? honda has already made a big push into child seats etc. http://www.honda.net.my/products/accessories.cfm

    ___________________________________________________

    Dear Paul,

    I totally agree with you….. i understand what you're trying to educate here.

    But, you will be seriouly supprissed if you got a chance to speak to them…(Product Planning)…how many baby seats they manage to sell in the past 4 years since they started it. (i was former insider)

    The campaign must be made National by the Govt, and perhaps you're right about getting Proton to re-energize what Honda has initiated….

    Today…in Malaysia…we are jus enforcing laws that require…rear passengers wearing safety belts…. It would certainly be here one day or sooner…

    There are still some jokers out there…asking if theis car Air Bags or even Pretensioner Safety Belts with Load Limiters can be recycled after a major accident !!?*%@*

    Cheers,

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  • MyBoy on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    [quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    SuperCharger built by mechanic? Again, built by mechanic? I just laugh. :D

    Better wait for Proton's own turbo engine.

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  • pundehmaster on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    [quote comment="221090"][quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    Pundeh go and drive your volvo until it rusts…. and later buy bicycle to go to your sweden land…

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  • [quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.

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  • stroller on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    ehm..

    problem

    payload problem due to underpower MPV…

    solution

    go to "chop shop" at puchong/subang/kajang etc change the engine u want…

    problem

    no ISOFIX

    reason

    child seat also not included with the bracket thing to fix with.

    so… think la… what u want to hv with this MPV?? fix it at kedai "Abang" around u… the choice is ur's…

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  • Fridz (Member) on Mar 16, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    [quote comment="221164"]btw, i've never driven any mpv before. so i can't compare (with others).

    however, i've sat at rear in avanza, bergoyang rasa nk tmuntah![/quote]

    Wah3,i'm so late to take appart commenting in this forum…already hit 272reply on this Exora section.

    i've been in avanza,Glivina and Wish 2nd row…the most 'nak termuntah' is avanza then wish and less nak termuntah is Glivina…

    the most most nak termuntah is T Fortuner.(this will not compared to Exora lah )ekekeke

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  • i also felt pening-pening in my brother Toyota Unser but afraid to tell him nanti merajuk lak.Eh! Unser pun MPV gak kan.

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  • BanyakMasukWorkshop on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    [quote comment="221176"]

    the most most nak termuntah is T Fortuner.(this will not compared to Exora lah )ekekeke[/quote]

    hey.. i really agree with you on the last bit.. thats the problem with some SUV.. the suspension is not right for road use. i was driving a current model hi-lux.. and i was feeling sick.. dont know how people use them as daily drivers.. i'm sure if i dumped like 200kg worth of things in the back, it will be much better, but i dont carry 200kg of stuff around everyday. so i definitely dont need a pickup.

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  • stroller on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    btw PT…

    u review regarding this MPV make me feel relief to hv get it… regardless the powertrain and ISOFIX issue here…

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  • King Samurai on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    The pening lalat thingy is bcoz it was not built on monocoque chasis. Body on frame chasis feels more wobbly and handling at cornering feels it going to tumble. Vor…my dad drives Unser..not only the floating feeling, your pocket fillings also kering so fast as it guzzle fuel like a lorry. So much for a 'T' brand..there you go. But my dad is an all-time toyota veteran…what to do.

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  • barca on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    [quote comment="220783"]pls la. stop building so much unnecesarry hype over this car la. its jz a decent car and the price is jz OK.. nothing to shout about . cos in actual fact it shd be priced very much lower

    so stop glamorizing this car or generate unneccesary attention .. not a proton basher.. but pls .. we've better things to look fwd to[/quote]

    does your comment even matter when it comes to hype, decency, price, glamorizing or unneccessary attention?

    it's not your product. proton can do anything they like in term mentioned above. so, suck it up.

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  • intermilan on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    124bhp of power and 150Nm of torque pulling a 1400kg MPV? Acceptable power. ok what? will get underpower in certain driving situations but that still acceptable for a RM70K MPV.

    Its not sporty (we shouldn't expect this from a MPV, it's not fair and hardly its purpose) and the power seem to be just mundane and enough, which is the norm for a MPV and quite ok if not 100% normal and fairly-price when the asking price is around RM70K.

    i dont think is a sin for Proton not to break the benchmark in power/weight ratio for this MPV. that they can do later..

    what is important for this MPV to deliver (within the asking price)?

    Comfort, Safety, Space and perhaps acceptable FC.

    From the review:

    comfort – good

    safety – adeduate

    space – adequate

    Fc – ??

    seems like a fair offerring with a fair asking price.

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  • madimat on Mar 16, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    [quote comment="221190"]are u a proton salesman or wat? while you're at it, why don't u say that the proton exora is better than a renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima

    if u have any trouble, please call me at 012-2107540, i'd happily debate more on it with you[/quote]

    ..sounds like a lawyer =)

    no offense !

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  • Tassadar on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Paul,

    How does the Exora compare against the Rondo, especially in terms of interior space, interior built quality, performance, ride & handling, and accessories level.

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  • initial R on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    [quote comment="221190"]are u a proton salesman or wat? while you're at it, why don't u say that the proton exora is better than a renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima

    if u have any trouble, please call me at 012-2107540, i'd happily debate more on it with you[/quote]

    Please Bro… Most in here are not proton sales nor other. But we here just to share the first MPV by proton. It correct that exora can't competed with renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima. But have you seen that what you compare right now is Lamb chop & Satay. Thus MPV are 2L above. We talk right now 1.5l > 1.6L that just healty for our poket.

    By the way, i don't want to debate with you coz it waste of time to talk the thing that have been review by most of media that gone for test drive. How ever happy drive with your RM100k above MPV coz we are not affort like your bank acct.

    Think the best way is you just go to other blog, and don't waste your time in here. Ppl in here just enough with some people that claim they are the god of automobile that some of them have devine T with them.

    :)

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  • initial R on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    [quote comment="221201"][quote comment="221190"]are u a proton salesman or wat? while you're at it, why don't u say that the proton exora is better than a renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima

    if u have any trouble, please call me at 012-2107540, i'd happily debate more on it with you[/quote]

    ..sounds like a lawyer =)

    no offense ![/quote]

    yup.. law yar buruk….

    The member of parliment also…

    :)

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  • terminatorkun on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    [quote comment="221068"]Don't test drive on the high-way,must test drive on to climbing hill,sure under-power and breathless engine…iNginKaH AndA mEmANdu sEbUaH MPV uMpAMa mEmANdu sEbUah LoRRy?Segera dapatkan Exora hari ini…Baru beli,tapi leaking sana-sini.Bunyi misteri dalam cabin sudah pasti.Atas high-way sure kat lorong paling kiri.Nak jual no value for money.Meranalah kelian sampai kemati…Fikirlah baik-baik…APA GUNA SUPPORT BARANG MALAYSIA,TAPI BARANG MALAYSIA TAK SUPPORT PENGGUNA MALAYSIA…….[/quote]

    Ini bangang punya komen…dari orang bangang…

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  • dont u all think nissan presage and exora share a lot of similarities in terms of superficial fascia i mean.

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  • blackcipan on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:31 pm

    [quote comment="221079"]Want a bigger capacity engine for Exora?? just wait for its Mitsubishi version and pray for grey importers to bring it here..[/quote]

    Mitsubishi version???? I think we are already in 2009 man….

    Well, what that has been revealed is enough to capture the interest of targetted customer. The interior looks ok, texture on IP seems to be not the cheap type with proper depth and pattern. The seat spacing seem to implies good legroom.As expected ( and as class-norm) third row legroom seem slightly tight, but headroom looks astonishingly a lot. This should be main selling point.

    Engine-wise, its not really a problem if one suffer sometimes when going up a gradient. I drove Myvi auto, the lack of punch was greatly fell on the way up to genting to the point of annoying.BUt its fine coz I drove up that gradient like twice a year only.So I think this issue is just a sideline and should not be exaggerated.Ditto for Exora.If I climb up everyday, might as well consider other car, plenty of turbodiesel or 2 litre mpv is available in the market.

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  • bmpower on Mar 16, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    i dont buy a MPV just because it had ISOFIX, and im sure.. if there's not ISOFIX, i will not move away..

    that's small part not considered a 'big judgement' thing. Even in malaysia..

    Small child (newborn – 1years old) = with his/her mom, or at nursery.

    Small kids (2 – 4 years old) .. just let them play backside of my MPV. As long as the windows are closed.

    IT'S RARELY TO SEE A CHILDREN SEAT IN A CAR! from 1million car in malaysia, i dare to say.. less than 20! use baby seat in thear car to attached with so called ISOFIX).

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  • mohdjiman on Mar 16, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    ISOFIX?new for me…full of information here.

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  • Proud2BMalaysian on Mar 16, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    [quote comment="221225"][quote comment="221079"]Want a bigger capacity engine for Exora?? just wait for its Mitsubishi version and pray for grey importers to bring it here..[/quote]

    Mitsubishi version???? I think we are already in 2009 man….

    Well, what that has been revealed is enough to capture the interest of targetted customer. The interior looks ok, texture on IP seems to be not the cheap type with proper depth and pattern. The seat spacing seem to implies good legroom.As expected ( and as class-norm) third row legroom seem slightly tight, but headroom looks astonishingly a lot. This should be main selling point.

    Engine-wise, its not really a problem if one suffer sometimes when going up a gradient. I drove Myvi auto, the lack of punch was greatly fell on the way up to genting to the point of annoying.BUt its fine coz I drove up that gradient like twice a year only.So I think this issue is just a sideline and should not be exaggerated.Ditto for Exora.If I climb up everyday, might as well consider other car, plenty of turbodiesel or 2 litre mpv is available in the market.[/quote]

    Don't you heard? Exora will also be sell as Mitsu, not like the old days where Mitsu cars were sold as Protons.

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  • acerman (Member) on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    Do U own an Avanza? I don't think that Avanza have the looks. I surely don't like the looks and the rear too. It looks like a VAN. Some people still mods it to look more sportish. It does not look sportish. It's high and bulky. I hate it when they painted it white. The car look cheap and if you say that avanza look nice, what kind of 'nice' R U talking about? Of course Avanza's FC is quite good (somesay) but it's RWD, what if it's FWD?

    Just wonder how would Exora be if it's RWD? Can it beat the WISH?

    Anybody? Any comment?

    p/s I'm still waiting 4 Si-Fu's respond. Is it wise for me to trade-off my wife's Waja EV for this exora now or should I wait for the second batch?

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  • Who needs ISOFIX? Cuz we still live in Kampung. Went have an accident, never mind, just lets ur lovely child and kids and cat flying in the car as long as the windows are closed. Only motorcycle kampung need ISOFIX.

    —————–

    Information from Wikipedia;

    Isofix is an international standard for attachment points for child safety seats in cars. The system is known as LATCH ("Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children") in the United States and LUAS ("Lower Universal Anchorage System") or Canfix in Canada. It has also been called the "Universal Child Safety Seat System" or UCSSS.

    Isofix is International Organisation for Standardisation standard ISO 13216, which specifies the anchoring system for Group 1 child safety seats. It defines standard attachment points to be manufactured into cars, enabling compliant child safety seats to be quickly and safely secured. Isofix is an alternative to securing the seat with seat belts. Seats are secured with a single attachment at the top (top tether) and two attachments at the base of each side of the seat. The full set of anchor points for this system were required in new cars in the United States starting in September 2002.

    In Europe the system is known as Isofix and covers both Group 0/0+ and Group 1 child safety seats. There are also various installation categories: "universal", "vehicle-specific" and "semi-universal". The main difference being that "Universal" represents use of a top tether strap with the Isofix anchorage, "vehicle-specific" represents the usage of the Isofix anchorage without the TopTether in specified vehicles only, while "Semi-Universal" represents usage of the Isofix anchorage together with a "foot-prop".

    For Group 2/3 seats there is a system called Isofit which anchors the seat to the vehicle so it cannot slide around when not in use. In the case of Isofit, the child is held into the seat using the vehicle's existing seat belt system, not the safety seat's straps.

    —————

    Japan car own ISO-FIX standard few years ago;
    http://www.honda.co.jp/ACCESS/life/carlife/childi… http://www.mazda.co.jp/accessories/safety/child/i… http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/corporate/tech… http://www.nissan.co.jp/OPTIONAL-PARTS/#/SAFETY http://toyota.jp/dop/recommend/childseat/neo_g-is…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    [quote comment="221268"]p/s I'm still waiting 4 Si-Fu's respond. Is it wise for me to trade-off my wife's Waja EV for this exora now or should I wait for the second batch?[/quote]

    No Proton's guy (even the pretender one) in his right mind would tell user to wait for the 2nd batch. If they did, then who's going to buy all the 1st batch? :D

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  • fndluvbaby on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Definitely want to test drive this car ! hehe…

    no ISOFIX ? Its ok la i guess. But if exora got ISOFIX then better la kan?

    Cannot expect too much from a price that I consider rather cheap compared to other makes. Looking forward to your next reviews on this car PAUL! hehehe. all the best.

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  • TechTitan on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    Paul,

    Welldone. Reviews done profoundly. Non-bias and not too technical. I agree with your opinion about ISOFIX. Fixing it in Exora should have higher priority compared to Satria Neo CPS. Many young parents these days (such as myself) have better exposure about child safety. Nowadays we can see many cars equipped with child seats. Most of my friends also have them. Child seat is not cheap but i think the loss of ones child is even more costlier.

    Proton should provide the ISOFIX as standards in all its car line-up. Its up to the user to use or not.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    [quote comment="221282"]Definitely want to test drive this car ! hehe…

    no ISOFIX ? Its ok la i guess. But if exora got ISOFIX then better la kan?

    Cannot expect too much from a price that I consider rather cheap compared to other makes. Looking forward to your next reviews on this car PAUL! hehehe. all the best.[/quote]

    Don't want to debate about the price comparison to other make. But since you open the door, here it goes:

    Its not that Exora cheap. Its just others are so expensive (after exorbitant tax of course). This in turn will make Exora appear to be cheaper.

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  • sanook365 on Mar 16, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Can not compare with WISH and STREAM.

    ONE SEN = ONE QUALITY

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  • [quote comment="220880"][quote comment="220746"]It's sad to hear they are using the same campro engine. Every one hopes differently. And from your point of view. This MPV really is under power! No ISOFIX for a real family career!

    I guess noting comes perfect.

    But the interior is what attracting me, can't wait to have those pictures out.

    Great writing Paul.[/quote]

    just wondering if livina or rondo has ISOFIX. btw, i do believe no one will talk about this ISOFIX if Paul didn't mantioned in his review.

    do you really use child car seat at all?i think people start to use it seriously whan G make it as madatory..is it?

    hemm…there's alway a point for bashers. if you got big money, but a grand kotak bergerak alphad n u may puas hati..:)

    ciao ciao[/quote]

    The Rondo does not with the ISOFIX as standard in other countries but Naza decided not to offer it in Malaysia.

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  • kimi_ on Mar 17, 2009 at 12:03 am

    [quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    u this stupid idiot…

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  • xavier lert on Mar 17, 2009 at 12:08 am

    good car…its a family car anyway….fastest u wanna go probably 120km/h….can bring all pak ngah mak long tok wan……i think this is the best one from p1 …..as if u can remember their previous so call MPV is THE JUARA a.k.a peti sejuk…….

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  • osh_kosh on Mar 17, 2009 at 12:08 am

    [quote comment="221137"]The lack of certain features such as ISOFIX points in the Malaysian version in no way cripples the ability of the Exora to be a fine MPV of course but it reflects the still on-going shortchanging that Malaysian consumers always seem to get, because from what I was told, ISOFIX will be in the export cars.[/quote]

    Kudos Paul, Genuine move in this Isofix thingy.. i think it's not a big issue but some ppl seem lost & don't really understand your point.. btw, if it true that Isofix will be install in export version then plain double standard…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 12:09 am

    [quote comment="221322"][quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    u this stupid idiot…[/quote]

    Just ignore him.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 12:14 am

    [quote comment="221325"][quote comment="221137"]The lack of certain features such as ISOFIX points in the Malaysian version in no way cripples the ability of the Exora to be a fine MPV of course but it reflects the still on-going shortchanging that Malaysian consumers always seem to get, because from what I was told, ISOFIX will be in the export cars.[/quote]

    Kudos Paul, Genuine move in this Isofix thingy.. i think it's not a big issue but some ppl seem lost & don't really understand your point.. btw, if it true that Isofix will be install in export version then plain double standard…[/quote]

    They might even install ESP for UK version.

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  • hahaha~

    heated debate here

    good for the sake of automotive passion

    and i can see the awareness on safety aspects of a car especially child safety is increasing

    this is only the first step paul

    a long way to go!

    cheers!

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  • autojohndoe on Mar 17, 2009 at 1:44 am

    [quote comment="221174"][quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.[/quote]

    already mention… by powerzone….

    a gen2 already installed it and output power is 180hp…

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  • raybrig85 on Mar 17, 2009 at 2:17 am

    jz left this blog for a day already reach 300 comments..amazing

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 2:27 am

    [quote comment="221358"][quote comment="221174"][quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.[/quote]

    already mention… by powerzone….

    a gen2 already installed it and output power is 180hp…[/quote]

    Better wait for Proton's own Turbo engine instead. I trust Proton WAY more than I would trust this 'powerzone'.

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  • initial R on Mar 17, 2009 at 2:34 am

    [quote comment="221377"][quote comment="221358"][quote comment="221174"][quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.[/quote]

    already mention… by powerzone….

    a gen2 already installed it and output power is 180hp…[/quote]

    Better wait for Proton's own Turbo engine instead. I trust Proton WAY more than I would trust this 'powerzone'.[/quote]

    also can used microcompressor or used surbo. It can do the trick.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 2:38 am

    [quote comment="221382"][quote comment="221377"][quote comment="221358"][quote comment="221174"][quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.[/quote]

    already mention… by powerzone….

    a gen2 already installed it and output power is 180hp…[/quote]

    Better wait for Proton's own Turbo engine instead. I trust Proton WAY more than I would trust this 'powerzone'.[/quote]

    also can used microcompressor or used surbo. It can do the trick.[/quote]

    Both of them are RUBBISH. No offence.

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  • initial R on Mar 17, 2009 at 2:44 am

    [quote comment="221384"][quote comment="221382"][quote comment="221377"][quote comment="221358"][quote comment="221174"][quote comment="221162"]about the underpower thinggy its not be big problem for me…coz i can fix it with Powerzone Supercharger..which can churn out around 180hp..this superchager unit is built for proton engine by profesional mechanic from powerzone…[/quote]

    Where can we get the supercharger? Its great info you give here.[/quote]

    already mention… by powerzone….

    a gen2 already installed it and output power is 180hp…[/quote]

    Better wait for Proton's own Turbo engine instead. I trust Proton WAY more than I would trust this 'powerzone'.[/quote]

    also can used microcompressor or used surbo. It can do the trick.[/quote]

    Both of them are RUBBISH. No offence.[/quote]

    no bro… just for those who want have turbo wannebe only. even price also cheap ma.. :)

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  • jl@ipl on Mar 17, 2009 at 3:11 am

    Base on Paul's report, i would say, driving Exora's exactly feel like driving Wira 1.3. Starting from standing still, not much a problem, but once cruising, not bad at all. Climbing step hill, can be scary, need a lot of momentum.

    I'd tried before, my Wira 1.3l can reach 160km/h and sustain it.

    But, had to admit it, when i go to Kelantan via Lebuh Raya Timur Barat, once a while, I had to slow down at 'cow crossing zone' while climbing, had to down shift to 2nd, or even 1st. (i was carrying 4 adults, 1 kid, 1 teenager,1 toddler and boot full of luggage for a week for everybody).

    Climbing Genting was nightmare, even 2nd gear barely enough (2 adult and 3 teenager ).

    North South Highway ,'Tunnel' area – not so bad.

    Well, proton, please don't wait too long to introduce better engine, at leat TC version of the Campro CPS. Or, may be some thing to improve further its low end torque. After all, most sane father won't go 160km/h with his love one in this size of MPV……………… May be on bigger one, like Estima, Alphard etc.

    Sifu, please consider the above seriously, cause most those who experience wira 1.3l, most probably share my view.Imagine, how many of us!

    Proton, most probably, just lost its potential customer to other maker after reading this review.

    Long time ago, most definitely, wira 1.3/iswara owner upgrade to Wira 1.5 or even Perdana (or Waja)

    Nowadays, Iswara, wira 1.3,1.5 ex-owner, upgrade to M*v, V*** and C***. Only a handful upgrade to Gen-2, Persona and Waja. (don't belief me? Just open ur eyes and mind).

    Don't Proton ever post mortem on this? (sigh………)

    Come back to Exora, may be proton should crawl before walk, i.e. start with mini MPV (Avanza's class) since u only have Campro 1.6 to offer. Since, it too late, you already get your hand dirty, please, either better low end torque (TC or what so ever) or bigger cc engine.

    Just look at Gen-2, how many years passed by before CPS version introduce (best part, P1 launch it oversea first, good marketing strategy?) I don't see many of them on the road. Same thing can happen to Exora if P1 wait till too late……………….

    Sifu, since you're the only insider we know, please consider……..

    I proud of Proton, but some time i can't justify my self, should I continue of cerai talak tiga………:-)

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  • alldisc on Mar 17, 2009 at 3:41 am

    the design is fairly good but the powerplant is a real giveaway.

    80K for a 1.6 MPV which struggles with 7 ppl onboard? spent the 80K else where….

    perhaps the 2.0 Rondo…. no timing belt some more.

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  • tahniah proton melahirkan mpv pertama dimalaysia…saya percaya enjin yg disuntik campro cps 1.6 mungkin akan menjimatkan terutama perjalanan dibandar atau perjalanan yg dekat dgn muatan 7 0rg…

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 4:16 am

    [quote comment="221403"]Base on Paul's report, i would say, driving Exora's exactly feel like driving Wira 1.3.[/quote]

    100% agree with you about Wira 1.3 – Exora thingy.

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  • For Me, Exora is not bad at all compared to some othr 'Brand'…which is comparable la….its shows proton is improving n not producing 'adik' kpd juara in terms of design…hehehe…which is good I think…

    Not putting very high expectation for this 1st P1 MPV….

    Offtopic a bit>>I find some ppl here very…very n very love P1 i think… from basher become someone more fair in terms of giving opinion or 'what he thinks…'??

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  • [quote comment="221190"]are u a proton salesman or wat? while you're at it, why don't u say that the proton exora is better than a renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima

    if u have any trouble, please call me at 012-2107540, i'd happily debate more on it with you[/quote]

    aiyhoh getting personal pulak…. if u can't stand it,careful with your wordslah bro… not everybody have the same opinion as u do so u need to plan your wordingslah … what is so hard giving comments without offending anyone? sheesh…

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  • infinity (Member) on Mar 17, 2009 at 5:48 am

    my family owns an avanza 1.3 A/T..and ever since we got this MPV, my family loves MPVs..(of course not because of its handling..avanza's handling very bad and sometimes scary)..we love the space and practicality..once we transported one washing machine from my hometown, taiping to KL with 5 ppl (including driver) on board..FC also not bad..

    i believe in terms of performance, this exora will be much better than avanza 1.3..since my family feels avanza 1.3 is ok, adequate power, thus i dun see any problem with exora..and we r really looking forward for it..cant wait for a test drive!!

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  • guys,

    based on price between, GL, Exora, Rondo & Avanza even Easter. In general, the installment almost in same range. Proper judgment must be consider before deciding to buy.

    How "joy" exora can offered as the tag line "Family Joy".???

    Good job Proton.

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  • MyBoy on Mar 17, 2009 at 6:00 am

    [quote comment="221424"]Offtopic a bit>>I find some ppl here very…very n very love P1 i think… from basher become someone more fair in terms of giving opinion or 'what he thinks…'??[/quote]

    Perhaps they never was what some people call basher. Perhaps it is just the way they express they concern about Proton and ultimately their love. Like one malay proverb: "Sayang anak tangan-tangankan, sayang bini tinggal-tinggalkan, sayang Proton bash-bash kan" :D

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  • Arise on Mar 17, 2009 at 6:47 am

    [quote comment="221234"]i dont buy a MPV just because it had ISOFIX, and im sure.. if there's not ISOFIX, i will not move away..

    that's small part not considered a 'big judgement' thing. Even in malaysia..

    Small child (newborn – 1years old) = with his/her mom, or at nursery.

    Small kids (2 – 4 years old) .. just let them play backside of my MPV. As long as the windows are closed.

    IT'S RARELY TO SEE A CHILDREN SEAT IN A CAR! from 1million car in malaysia, i dare to say.. less than 20! use baby seat in thear car to attached with so called ISOFIX).[/quote]

    Children who are strap into their childdren will fly to the front and hit the windscreen in the event of accident.

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  • bmpower on Mar 17, 2009 at 6:52 am

    just accept it bashers!

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  • mohammed faliq on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:23 am

    with only 1.6 ltre engine,has enough power or not???

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  • Did anyone mention about this EXORA looking Like the Chinese made Chery B240 mpv? I kinda skip reading the comments halfway.. My comparison with the chinese B240 and Exora is Identical. This couldn't be a malaysian made car if it's identical… what about the NCAP test ratings.. Suicidal? go ahead.

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  • [quote comment="221481"][quote comment="221201"][quote comment="221190"]are u a proton salesman or wat? while you're at it, why don't u say that the proton exora is better than a renualt espace, citroen c4 picasso or toyota estima

    if u have any trouble, please call me at 012-2107540, i'd happily debate more on it with you[/quote]

    ..sounds like a lawyer =)

    no offense ![/quote]

    i AM a lawyer[/quote]

    How are you lawyer, many ppl said that lawyer look so smart sit inside Toyota Dugong.

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  • aenz81 on Mar 17, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    [quote comment="221400"]i've never seen anything uglier than the proton exora[/quote]

    ur 20 years old Volvo….

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  • micheal on Mar 17, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    [quote comment="220749"]Proton 'boys' + proton management 'boys',hehe….read this article with an open heart.

    Open ur eyes,dont blame others as to cover ur weaknesses.

    Ops,open ur brain also ahh.if only u have one! And in good condition.[/quote]

    —————————————————————–

    do you have one? they do have one…becuz of that they can make a car. you?

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  • mohdjiman on Mar 17, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    good good.engineers, designers, executives, lawyers, students all here. Good job Paul! Many things can learn here. Technical aspects, design wise, safety issues, latest technology, economics, taxing concern, and many many more.

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  • azrai on Mar 17, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Just wondering, it is less than a month to go and they gave a chance for journalist to try out the 'prototype' MPV? Sigh. Is it true the first batch also get this 'protype' sort of exora and the buyer and the whole family become the experiment. Keriangan keluarga?

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  • [quote comment="221737"]Just wondering, it is less than a month to go and they gave a chance for journalist to try out the 'prototype' MPV? Sigh. Is it true the first batch also get this 'protype' sort of exora and the buyer and the whole family become the experiment. Keriangan keluarga?[/quote]

    Hehe… who knows p1 just do tricks to upgrade its final product of this mpv. Final product often become more advance than the prototype one is it?

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  • Rulered on Mar 18, 2009 at 3:07 am

    To set the record straight, the only beautiful, wonderful, reliable, excellent, superb and marvelous car is the one parked under our car porch. Now can we get on with discussion and skip the flamming.

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  • jl@ipl on Mar 18, 2009 at 4:01 am

    mohammed faliq said,

    March 17, 2009 @ 3:23 am · Reply with quote

    with only 1.6 ltre engine,has enough power or not???

    You decide ur self.

    Since i own and drive wira 1.3l for two yrs, say there the same (in term of driving performance)

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  • Jedi Master on Mar 18, 2009 at 5:44 am

    Why 1.6L? Proton already have 1.8L Campro engine available why they didn't use it?

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  • Well.. like i decided previously before buying my proton waja..1.6a 2003model i let 2 year levy because i don't want to be a guinea pig for proton. After its more stable i'll buy it.. maybe you guys should practice it..

    though i sometime curse proton for some window panel, wiper motor, the door handle, the glove box lock, the rear view mirror fell off, side rear view window always loose, computer box burnt, power window switch.. and not to mention the cricket sound from the rear other than that i am happy with the car performance.

    So to speak let some 2 year levy for it to improve their car.. just don't be a lab mouse just yet.

    BTW Paul do you really really like the dashboard of EXORA? it's kind like Myvi like dashboard.

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  • unclehusein on Mar 19, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Where is OUR ISOFIX???? Where?? Where?? Pleasee….

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  • twitch on Mar 19, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Proton Exora :-

    Price – I think it is unbeatable in its class.

    Safety Features – Could be enough for its price tag (ISOFIX? we got others option available right? dont be like a superconcern when Paul raised it so much bcoz i guess 3/4 of you guys also never think about ISOFIX when buying a vehicle) and the most perfect safety features that cannot be sell or put in any vehicles is your awareness on the road as a driver.. ever heard of a Merc S350 drivers and he's family died after hitting a trailer's back? Ei that cars is so expensive it got everything you need to be and feel safe (not forgetting full airbag at the front side and back) but in the end the most safest safety features is you as a driver.

    Engine Capacity – 1.6 Campro CPS? Maybe Proton have to raised the "CPS" word to convince buyers for more grunt, and to say what the hell with 1.6 for that size of MPV? I'd say the engineers is not thinking of a powerfull MPV but they planned it just enough to be a spacious comfortable FAMILY cruisers in its class, not for "always in a rush" type of drivers. So Avanza and Naza ria can step down or maybe grand livina too bcause its so cramped inside. (But i do really think proton should start looking for more suitable engines for their BIG babies) – Maybe what Paul said about those underpowered with auto transmission is similar to my uncle's Wira 1.5 auto. I drove it quite a few times and i had a feeling of why cant it go faster in 1st 2nd and 3rd gear. It was really sluggish when trying to get away after red traffic light but when in cruising mode it felt okay. (note its not a CAMPRO).

    Conclusion – Buy that EXORA if you dont want to "Sumbat" your big family in your Sedan for long travelling. Infact all MPVs actually not proposed for daily used but for Family long travel movers" because a bus is to big for our carpark right? But what the hell with that bcause every factory must sell their product that they produce to return their Modal and profit so they can make their next product better right? So no cares if you buy it for daily use or just for long travelling as long as they sell it and make profit.

    and plus actually u guys shouldnt "always" bash proton for their sometimes crapiness problem as they are still new in this leagues compared to BMWs/ MERCs / Honda / Toyota's and others competitors who have been in the business since Steam Powered vehicles era. Even Chery can meets proton quality standard nowadays (thats a credit) and even German and Japanese vehicles still got their own problem that we sometimes didnt notice. If it is Human creation so it cannot be super perfect like your PC's and Mobile phone that sometimes malfunction.

    P/S – Im not a Proton Basher ha

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  • fitrie on Mar 20, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    wowwwwwwwww the car is sooooooooooo bigggggggggggggggggg

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  • lanuncyber on Mar 22, 2009 at 3:23 am

    According to my uncle:

    Next year (2010)…

    – Turbocharged Exora (CPS + Turbo). << nice! :)

    – April 2010 – Waja Replacement Model (WRM) will be released, based on current Mitsubishi Lancer (same body, same chassis), powered with 1.8L and 2.0L Mitsubishi engines, with All-Wheel Drive and Mitsubishi transmission. Price? RM 70k – RM 80k.

    – and after that, maybe, turbo charger will be available for other Proton's models.

    2011…

    – Persona Replacement Model (Persona R) will be released.

    This is not confirmed but the probability is high; there will be NO Satria Neo GTi. :(

    :)

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  • banban on Mar 23, 2009 at 5:14 am

    some of u

    i very sure

    dunno bout wat is manufacturing

    but keep talk crap

    like know everything

    i rofl reading

    clowning? it is

    peace V–V

    p/s: wanna be cool? back to skool!

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  • I don't think Campro 1.6 CPS is underpowered to pull the EXORA. It has a higher hp than the Lavina and almost the same hp as one Toyota 1.8 model. Well done Proton. As for the user of the Gen 2 1.3 (A) model, use the 3 rd gear, the car would accelerate fast. My 11 year old son wants the EXORA but I may opt for a SAVVY cos my other three children have drving licenses… but who knows… I may part change my other cars for the EXORA.

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  • Daniel on Mar 23, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    Hi, I think the CAMPRO 1.6 is not suitable to power the Exora. Firstly the nature of the engine, CAMPRO was designed to produce high peak hp which often means poor low-end torque. For such a family car (7 ppl on board), low-end torque is very important to be able to pull the car (beginning acceleration). With the 1.6 CAMPRO I'm expecting owners need to rev hard before the car can start moving (this is waste of fuel).

    I think the best engine for such a vehicle is a lightly turbo charged diesel engine. Diesel engine naturally have very good low-end torqe, just a light tap the car can start moving (good for traffic jams). Adding a turbo charger would improve high-rpm torque & engine stability & efficiency (good for long distance driving). With a turbo charged diesel engine, they can put in higher 5th gear ratio (so a family of 7 can cruise at 120kmh with engine rpm barely touching 2900rpm)…save a lot of fuel (of course, a speed limiter is dully required)

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  • I already bought a MT Saga for my wife. She loves it. Not too underpowered thanks to the gear ratios. Still, you have to shift faster from first gear to fourth. I think Exora will have the same gear ratio for MT since Saga is a 1.3L for a small sedan Exora is 1.6L for a big MPV. Its only my opinion.

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  • Arise on Mar 23, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    Kita rasa Honda, Toyota dan Mitsubishi, lagi lagi Mitsubishi yang menjadi rakan technikal kepada Proton. Apa susah-susah masukkan engine ke dalam Odessy, Estima dan Grandis mereka sedangkan Exora lebih kurang sama saiz dengan ketiga-tiga MPV ni ? Kalau ketiga-tiga MPV ni masukkan engin 1.6CPS mesti harga mereka boleh tahan.

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  • Arise on Mar 23, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Tak payahlah pakai engine 2.4liter, betul tak ?

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  • firdausz on Mar 24, 2009 at 12:18 am

    is this the same as the proton journey which was published last year to come out ba January 2009 but until now still now our yet.

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  • tanasi on Mar 24, 2009 at 8:49 am

    saw an isofix child seat costing about 600 pounds here in UK, don't know how much it costs in malaysia. i don't think the target buyer for exora will opt for the isofix child seat, even if the isofix hoods are offered as standard.

    heck, kids are still able to roam around in the MPV on our roads and the police guy is pitiful enough to slap the daddy with a summon. unless maybe if the dad is driving top spec alphard..

    just like the rear seat belt, little chance it will be strictly enforced. well, we are malaysians!

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  • zulomar on Mar 24, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    I've been reading comments here on Exora.

    IMHO, performance of MPVs would be better evaluated by person who has experience driving or owns MPV. One should also understand the purpose of a MPV and what we should look for in a MPV.

    I own a Naza Ria which I bought in January 2006 and thus far it serves the reason why I bought it in the 1st place i.e. ferrying my families including extended families in comfort (with AC for all 3 rows and spacious for all), DVD entertainment system especially for long distance travel.

    Before I opted for Naza Ria, I've booked Toyota Innova. But after test drived it, I cancelled and chosed the Naza Ria (MPV in similar price bracket and can accomodate 7 people -adults at that time). For me Innove is overrated as its has poor ride quality with body roll/floating feeling which can make the passengers dizzy. It is a substandard Toyota product for 3rd world market.

    For those who commented that Avanza is a better car than Exora, I bag to differ. If Innova ride is worse than Ria, than Avanza will be even worse. Trust me, I've been in Avanza. When it was introduced, it was the only affordable MPV around. But with the introduction of Exora (based on the reviews that I gathered from the test drive by various medias including PT), Avanza sales will be affected badly. Even people who don't just go for the brand will skip Innova for Exora.

    Avanza is bumpy and very uncomfortable.

    On the safety and underpower issues, MPV is not for racing. The driver must be responsible to ensure that their passengers have a safe and comfortable journey.

    The only issue is, Proton must ensure that the quality issue is taken care of. All service centres must be trained well, and their personnel no longer passing comments like "Biasalah bang, Proton". This is very damaging to the brand and will make all the good effort by DS Zainal thus far go to waist.

    On issue of winning at traffic lights, my 660 Kancil always moved faster than other cars when the light is green. The secret is always be prepared when the light is green, not to race.

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  • Captain Slow. on Mar 26, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    For me, i'll wait till child restriant brkt get FIX and 1.6 Tbo when i pop the hood baby.. then i buy this exora.

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  • Bleh tak proton wat kete spin blakang…

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  • Twitch on Apr 02, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    [quote comment="222451"]Proton Exora :-

    . Even Chery can meets proton quality standard nowadays (thats a credit) and even German and Japanese vehicles still got their own problem that we sometimes didnt notice. If it is Human creation so it cannot be super perfect like your PC's and Mobile phone that sometimes malfunction.[/quote]

    CORRECTION – Actually even Cherry CANT meets Proton quality standard nowadays…

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  • Paul, you really shouldn't endanger your life testing that vehicle. Don't be made a guinea pig for that incurable Proton. Why risked your life and that of your friends? This so-called MPV is sub-standard. They are using this outdated engine design and placing it in any car body that they can find. I have owned a Gen2 and an Waja Campro before and I know this engine – it is the greatest Malaysian rip-off story!

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  • zulomar wrote:

    "It is a substandard Toyota product for 3rd world market."

    You are wrong! The Innova is not meant for 3rd world market either. It is meant for the Lunar and Marian market. Guaranteed to be no rough riding complain there. No atmosphere mah! :)

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  • sulong on Apr 07, 2009 at 12:11 am

    good point about avanza 1.5

    1.

    2.

    3.

    bad point about avanza 1.5

    1.

    2.

    3.

    ???

    anyone

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  • sulong on Apr 07, 2009 at 12:14 am

    can i buy avanza 1.5…?

    any point

    1.

    2.

    3.

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  • Character Of CamTakP on Apr 08, 2009 at 3:34 am

    Sure underpower….This is charecter of proton…Cincai-boncai.Leaking sana sini….Indah kabar dari rupa…

    GL=Pemanduan umpama MPV

    Exora=MPV pemanduan umpama bawak Lorry! He he hee heee…..

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  • Character Of CamTakP on Apr 08, 2009 at 3:37 am

    Saya setuju pendapat Daniel

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  • roadrunner on Apr 08, 2009 at 9:03 am

    to sulong, u can buy avanza 1.5, testdrive it first then testdrive the Exora, G Livina, Rondo..then u can make your decision clearly which MPV that suits u..bottom line is, u must test drive first!!

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  • Jaspal Singh on Apr 08, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    Hi Paul, first of all, thank you for all the comments that you have had posted. Very very informative indeed.

    I do share your opinion on safety specs in Proton cars. If u have info on this, can u please highlight, what are the safety specs that Proton should include in its models, maybe do a comparison with other marques (compare Exora with Odyssey or even with other SUVs). I know that Odyssey is a few classes above than Exora, but let us look at the safety specs (features) alone, and leave everythingelse aside.

    For instance the SRS Airbag, EBD, ABS, BA, and whatever else. I am just a layman consumer, like many others, you, Paul, is our link to the engineering of cars. the importance of the GOA body mentioned by Toyota and so many other technical jargons used, which many dont understand, and dont quite appreciate. Enlighten us with that part of your wisdom.

    I dont mind paying extra for high end safety features. Which I recommend Proton to have a variant for its highend model, with all the safery specs.

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  • Sangkakala on Apr 11, 2009 at 5:29 am

    Thanks to PT for good review…

    I'm proud Malaysia are goin to produce our first MPV and all rakyat should be proud too.. even though I'm goin to see the same look of EXORA for another 10 years to come but I'm still proud of it..

    For Proton boys.. when are you goin to replace the look of Bulky WAJA, Gen2 and Savvy? lets make it look more contemporary and modern… look at Honda, Toyota and even KIA..

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  • ardley on Apr 14, 2009 at 12:00 am

    aku setuju dengan sangkakala tu… honda tiap2 tahun buat facelift… ok perr…

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  • HUSNU ANUAR IBRAHIM on Apr 14, 2009 at 2:26 am

    dengan rekabentuk dan keseimbangan ciptaannya yang sempurna membolehkan Proton Exora mengekalkan kualitinya sebagai sebuah MPV yang sangat praktikal tanpa boleh dipengaruhi oleh jangka hayat yang singkat untuk dicabar oleh pesaing-pesaing di dalam kelasnya.Suntikan nadi campro cps memberikan nisbah kuasa yang mantap untuk Proton Exora beraksi tangkas tanpa dapat di gugat oleh Avanza ataupun Grand Lavina.

    Syabas Proton,Anda Mempuyai Teknologi tinggi dan Pasukan Kerja yang berwawasan bertaraf dunia.

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  • samad on Apr 14, 2009 at 9:30 am

    u guys already try the cps?

    im very keen to test the cps engine.

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  • nice paul and good job proton

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  • avanja on Apr 15, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    i will not buy

    avanza 1.5

    any point

    1.

    2.

    3

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  • Vinnan on Apr 16, 2009 at 7:52 am

    MPVs are for carrying many people and things. Something which no sedan can do. Try squeezing 7 people into a Mercedes 500 and you will see what I mean. Therefore, the performance of an MPV cannot be measured by how fast it can accelerate or climb hills compared to sedans. MPVs should be measured in terms of their ability to deliver many passengers and things at reasonable comfort, safety levels and price. I drive a Totota Avanza 1.3A and I find the power of the car more than adequate for my use. Namely 3 kids + 2 adults or two adults and 6 kids. Many compare the performance of the 1.3 Avanza to the Proton Wira 1.5. To expect the Avanza to take corners like the low-slung Wira is unrealistic and the Wira weighs under 1 tonne while the Avanza weighs close to 1.1 tonne. Try putting 100 kilos of things in the booth of the Wira and its performance will drop a lot. I have not seen the Exora but all should see the Exora as an MPV first and last for that is what it is. By the way I have beaten many Wiras on the highway with my Avanza. Then again doing so says nothing about how good my MPV is for an MPV is not about outrunning others but about moving the most people and things in the most economical amount of space comfortably. On this score if the Exora lives up to its hype over its MPV capability then Proton have a potential world class product on its hands.

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  • Not a single car can satisfy one person's need but the basic important specs must be featured in Exora.

    Well, I think it is time for Proton to have a subunit who specialized in upgrading all type of Proton cars in the safest manner in order to satisfy all customers' need. i.e. who can offer ISOFIX installment or upgrade their engine capacity at good 'malaysian' price – not to mention the most important thing – the safety.

    This will be another good way to make business.

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  • keliwon on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    husnu, cayala ayat hg. skema tuh. aku taknak puji proton aku nak puji ayat hg je

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  • Jeiyaraj on Apr 16, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    OK people, the Exora has been launched. There is a good advert on the front page of The Sun today (16/4/09). From looks alone, I'd say Proton has a world-class player on its hands. Performance-wise remains to be seen. I'm going for a test drive soon !

    I'd like to bring up 2 matters here :

    1) Many people have the mentality that "If it's Malaysian-made, it's lousy". I think this is unfair. it's easy for the layman to complain about the Proton/Perodua & put Toyota/Honda/BMW/Nissan/Kia/Merc on a pedestal & say a 100 things bad about M'sian-made products. But end of the day, what does the ranter buy ? A Proton or a Perodua ! Why ? Cost factor, M'sian cars are cheaper. Common sense would say that if it's expensive to buy, it's going to be more expensive to make. So to compare a car to a higher make & ranting about this & that while not being able to afford buying the said higher-make car, is making a fool of oneself.

    M'sian cars are meant for the MAJORITY of the M'sian people (the low & middle class) So, to make a car affordable to these people, it has to be lowly-priced, hence the sacrifice of some features found in other makes. Find a car which is similiarly-priced & in the same category (i.e. don't compare a Kancil with a Waja), & then if there are any shortcomings, this can be brought up to the Proton's management for future reference. Bear in mind that no one is buying their products, where are they going to get their funding for R&D for the next projects ? Improvement is continuous, progress is gradual, all must understand this. So, I say, support the local manufacturers 1st, if there are any shortcomings, we would have a stronger voice as an existing customer than a non-customer.

    2) Some people still don't get the concept of comparing apples for apples. How can a sane person be comparing something like the Exora to something like a Wira or Waja ? We should compare the Exora with something from the same class (i.e. Grandis, Wish, etc.) but also taking in the cost factor. An MPV is meant to transport larger no. of people from Point A to Point B in a safe & comfortable journey. Calling it underpowered because it doesn't reach 0-100km/h in below 5 secs or max. speed is below 160km/h, to me, it doesn't make sense. If I wanted a performance car, why would want to get a MPV for ? Don't lah start comparing the Exora with the Caldina, not same category ! Similiarly, if an MPV is to be used to transport up to 7 people (i.e. elderly & children on board), why run at 160km/h above ? An MPV has to be spacious, comfortable, safe & economical, not fast, high torque, superb road-hugging.

    I don't mean to bash anyone but let's not be over-critical of Proton or simply complain for the sake of complaining. There are some who even pre-assume (i.e. "Sure underpower one, Proton what !"). Proton has been taking massive strides in improving themselves, & the recent products speak volumes of this culture. People should appreciate it, not just bash them based on their Proton's performance from years back. If there are criticisms, they should be followed by suggestions or proposals or ideas. This is called constructive criticism. Not just open-ended bashing which doesn't serve any purpose.

    PT, you've outdone yourself time & again. Fantastic job !

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  • ForTheLove on Apr 17, 2009 at 3:01 am

    finally,proton has revealed thier Exora. i would the new Exora is okey from the aspect of design. but in term of performance it is still not as i expected. first, why it is only fix with 1.6 engine only? i think proton never learn anything from the 1st edition of toyota unser. a bigger body than waja but using the same capacity of engine as waja. what would it be then? some more it doesn't have the feature that an MPV should have.

    about the cost of buying and the target group of low and mid income. i agree with proton which is to enable all malaysian to own a car,but this ideology is more suitable where Proton was first being made into existence which was around the 80's,now Malaysians are already 'grown', they now can own a BMW and Merc,and even a Jag and Ferarri. i'm not saying that Proton should change their target group,but to add another one,high income group..come on laa,the high incomer also want to have Proton's ride,rite? and of course they want to have a similar features and performance at least like Honda and Toyota.

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  • Ayie516 on Apr 17, 2009 at 3:34 am

    Cantik tapi bagaimana dengan kuasa, cukup?!!!!!!!!?+?

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  • labulabi on Apr 17, 2009 at 7:21 am

    [quote comment="220716"]As expected..underpower[/quote]

    this is MPV la bro.. not a street racing car for Ah Bengs. Wan power, then put F1 engine…

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  • [quote comment="221168"][quote comment="221075"]this car is horrible. It makes the avanza look nice.[/quote]

    what the hell man. Avanza is the suckiest MPV in Malaysia. People bought it because they didn't have any choice. Now they have and Avanza sales will burnt surely.[/quote]

    bye-bye to avanza , grand livina , cirta rondo even innova maaa !!

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  • malado on Apr 17, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    yaa..very cunn.. i like internal, external but…power???

    with campro cps, same with neo…but that neo weight only 1212 kg, exora 1422…hmm so imagine neo with 3 person..big belly 70kg..

    exora 1.6 campro cps, try you all imagine driver + 2 passenger with average 60 kg/each, so total 1602 kg…How this CPS wanna drag to bukit tinggi genting..hmmmm…

    i think i will wait for perodua mpv…1.5 with weight around 1190 kg…it nearly to satria neo….

    …imagine add 3 person 60kg/each, so total 1370 kg…

    lower than exora curb weight…so if balik kampung add with beg, kuih raya, bla bla…total 1420 kg/gross weight..

    same with exora laa…..

    hm..i think no pr0blem for perodua satey 1.5/vios engine to climb bukit tinggi…

    hmm ada paham..tak paham ignore itt…

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  • Seng18 on Apr 17, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    Paul. Great job. & thanks for everything that you has been done for us. I'm really appreciated it.

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  • Pilah dude on Apr 18, 2009 at 6:31 am

    For a regular mpv driver of long balik kampung trips engine (power) very important. I drive a 12 year old nissan serena (okay, it s a van). It will never reach 160km/h but powered by a SR20DE DOHC engine (uses timing chain) the van can out climb most traffic in the hills between Seremban to Kota Bahru. Key word useable mid range power aka torque.

    Brand new produces 170Nm of torque and 130hp (but after all these years some horses might be missing). the car… sorry van.. weighs 1450kg.

    To me Exora looks great inside and out, lots of safety features and great value. To say 1.6L adequate, I personally don't think so. If proton put in a 2L 140hp+ and 180NM+ engine I'll gladly line up to order and start paying car installments again!

    Great job Proton, you'll hurt avansa, innova, livina and rondo sales but i'm hanging on to my money,…at least until my wife start seeing exoras on the road.

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  • willpower on Apr 18, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Paul, we treasure your complete coverage on the Proton Exora.

    Somehow, i am getting a Neo CPS after reading your article.

    Nice works,

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  • kejang on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    I own a 6.5 yrs Unser. Except for the fuel consumption and tyres, for me it is a good buy.The Unser had travel more than 210K.

    My remote battery is still from the day one.

    I had test drive the Exora, yah..feel better than my Unser. However I feel if it is fully loaded, the 1.6AT will not be so enjoyable to drive.

    When is the MT will be launch?

    Any info?

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  • panmerit on Apr 20, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    I have checked Exora from the showroom, it is one of the best car Proton has ever made so far and i am quite satisfied with the built quality however 1.6L CPS engine puts me in the doubt on how this car is going to pull more than 1.7 tons of weight (assuming full load weight with 7 peoples) uphill. I will definitely opt for Exora if there will be Turbo-charged version. Sometimes, "underpowered" will create safety issue when driving, sufficient torque for speed up is not for racing, but for encertaining your car with full loaded weight will get into "right situation" when more power is needed.

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  • chris chu on Apr 21, 2009 at 5:57 am

    finally, i've got a chance to test drive proton exora. i've waited so long to test this car, as i planned to buy a new car. when the day proton exora launched, i was waiting to see the real face of this car. i went to damansara's proton platinum showroom to see for this new car. i was waited so long until najib officially lauched it. i was really amazed when i first seen the car. i almost paid deposit on this car-design good, interior superb and $$$$ cheap. this morning, i finally got a chance to test it. after 5 minutes drive……i would rather drive a kereta lembu better. the acceleration is good. you can't listen any noise from outside of the driver's seat. because, it's fully covered by the engine noise. a diesel engine is much quite than this one. i wonder if you play the dvd show in this machine can listen the show or not

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  • tanasi on Apr 21, 2009 at 8:47 am

    Hey Chris Chu, going along a similar engineering principle envisioned by Keith Bontrager, the great mountain bike builder, among these qualities: cheap, refined, powerful -Choose two only!

    1. Cheap and refined, not powerful.

    2. Cheap and powerful, not refined.

    3. Refined and powerful, not cheap.

    Not sure where Exora lies, perhaps between no 1 and 2 (depending on what engine RPM you're on!). No 3 is probably Wish/Stream/Caldina/Mazda 5 territory.

    But certainly lah, for the money, the Exora is much better than kereta lembu. A cow is a cow la, got to deal with the cow dung somemore.

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  • Test drive the exora (H-line) today after reading so many negative points about it. And I thought I should find out the truth. Pack with 5 adult not included myself and I was surprise by the power it had (hmm…1.6cc). I try the gear on "L", "2", "3" at up hill….ok, ramp it on straight road at 3500-4000rpm 100km took around 16 secs. Very impressive. In fact, on my way to test drive. I saw someone testing the exora at sungai besi. I was racing with it (my beloved Unser). It is fast, man (only 2 person in it and I was alone and can't catch up with it. Hah! Just joking, too many cars at that time. How can 1.8cc lose to 1.6cc la).

    Well, I booked one after much persuasion by the young pretty sale girl at the proton showroom. :)

    Trade in my 9 years old Toyota Unser for only RM24k. :( I love my Unser but its time to change a new car after 9 long years. I tried out Avanza 1.3 & 1.5 before, but nothing close to Unser. Innova 2.0cc……I want something less then 2.0cc. Tried out Livina but don't like it…..don't know why…don't have the feel for it.

    Once I got it (end of next month)…I will update u guys..pros & cons…

    So what the hack, if a few months later, found exora no good. Sell it and buy something else. Cheers!!!

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  • Gulliver on Apr 22, 2009 at 8:07 am

    Hopefully Proton will fit Exora with Campro CPS 1.8L coupled with a manual transmission. It would be just perfect!

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  • tengku arnyz on Apr 22, 2009 at 10:05 am

    simple… it's a malaysian car suited for malaysians budget… hahaha it's just like comparing grocery prices between tesco and giant and carrefour… stop being picky and buy if you want an mpv for such competitive price… just take extra care when it's proton ok… jangan ganas2

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  • complaning on Apr 24, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    under power….car too heavy…performance teruk betul………by off guys no experiance…..engineer pariah…..what a nice look mpv but engine mass out everything.

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  • lin melaka on Apr 25, 2009 at 12:54 am

    im not a car maniac…very far as a knowlegeble people to say about the car in and out.

    But..i experienced having all type of proton product…and i can open a new trade in proton car shop in my home…all ur proton generation i tried it dude.

    but …all end up with a miserable ..long life look after this proton product

    all the good comment about proton cannot ease the frustration tht we feel..as an owner

    sayonara proton

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  • all is ok for exora. i khnow many some oner avanza. grand levina and inova disepointed when luck proton exora. cos price is very cip. and equipmet many. so thera are will make many comen about exora. for me proton have make bater for exora. only the compeny must tink bater about the design. exampale proda myvi like big bumper at back. but when the r&d make samting for the bumper. righnow there bumper lucking good . congutulation for deginer bumper myvi se.. so proton must ting more for design. i'm realy soory cost my word is very bad. cost at long time i'm laze for study…sorry… tq for red my comen… i mst saport proton … cost the prouck are my countery. so when sele hope proton make qualiti same like ecport produc. whent tink i fill disepointed lock iswara uk luck bater cmpare iswara malaysia…at mr been story.. tq…bye..

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  • budin on Apr 27, 2009 at 6:47 pm

    u have to wait perodua MPV

    for me..its much better than proton..yuhuhu

    inferior is better than exora..

    i already my new perodua MPV

    babai Proton

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  • budin on Apr 27, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    u have to wait perodua MPV

    for me..its much better than proton..yuhuhu

    inferior is better than exora..

    i already booking my new perodua MPV

    babai Proton

    september proton will gone..perodua is winner

    Read more: "Proton Exora Prototype Test Drive Experience!" – http://paultan.org/archives/2009/03/15/proton-exo…

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  • budin on Apr 27, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    perodua is better..what and see

    i have book one

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  • malado on Apr 29, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    yap… wait for p2

    never ever p1….but too late la p2 launch..november…??

    already book lavina….yeahhhhh

    hopefully p2 mpv more more segak than train exora

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  • agree w lin melaka.

    Proton cars are miserable.

    ya. this new model looks ok..

    but from previous bad experiences.

    NO WAY

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  • Can't wait for some under the tree bengkel to plonk in an Evo engine into this and be rid of the CAM-SAMPAIMATI-TAKPRO engine. Malaysia Boleh!

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  • HIRUMAJR on May 05, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    UNDER POWER YE…. HAHAHA… NAK POWER…. TUKAR ENJIN LA… CABUT CPS…. TARUK ENJIN EVO X…. X PON ENJIN CLIO 2.0…. NAK MURAH SIKIT, PAKAI CLUTCH RACING, PASTU MODI ENJIN SIKIT… CUKUP LA KOT UNTUK MPV… LAGIPON, KALO TARUK ENJIN BESAR2, NANTI MAKAN MINYAK LAK.. MACAM NAZA RIA TU… BOLEH LA BELI KALO NAK ENJIN BESAR… RILEK LA… EXORA NI TARGET DIE LEBIH PADE GOLONGAN YG X PERLUKAN POWER YG LEBIH… KETA NI UNTUK ORANG YG NAK BAWAK FAMILY GI JALAN2.. DRIVE SLOW2 SUDAH… LAGIPUN… XKAN LA BAWAK FAMILY PON NAK SPIN TYRE KOT… SPEDD PON DALAM 90-130 CAMTU JE… NAK LAJU SIKIT BELI LA CITRA OR RANDO.. TAPI SPACE KURENG LA… HUHU.. TAPI WALAU CAMNE PON, AKU TETAP PALING SUKE TOYOTA HIACE 2.7… (LEBIH SUKE REAL VAN DARI KETA DAN MPV)

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  • Jeiyaraj on May 06, 2009 at 1:21 am

    I'd like to see someone plonk an EVO engine into an Exora ! You never hear anyone saying they want to drop a Skyline engine into a Grand Livina. Or a Supra engine into an Avanza. I wonder why ?

    Before anyone complains about Exora being underpowered & all that, please note that on an engine output to kerb weight ratio, the Exora is higher than the Nissan Grand Livina, Naza Citra & Toyota Avanza. So, as far as engine power is concerned, the Exora outdoes the rest. The only drawback will be the slow acceleration (0~100km/h) factor. But then again, as aptly mentioned by HIRUMAJR, "TARGET DIE LEBIH PADE GOLONGAN YG X PERLUKAN POWER YG LEBIH… KETA NI UNTUK ORANG YG NAK BAWAK FAMILY GI JALAN2.. DRIVE SLOW2 SUDAH… LAGIPUN… XKAN LA BAWAK FAMILY PON NAK SPIN TYRE KOT", so could it be that Proton deliberately sacrificed acceleration to reduce fuel consumption, as required by a proper family car ?

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  • kejang on May 06, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Saje bukak website Merc.

    Mari kita compare Exora dengan Merc B170

    Engine

    Engine Capacity: 1699cc

    Engine Layout: Straight

    Cylinders: 4

    Valves: 8

    Bore/Stroke: 83.0 x 94.0mm

    Compression Ratio: 11.0

    Fuel Type: Petrol

    Recommended Fuel Grade: N.A contribute

    Performance

    Max Power: 116 Bhp / 5500 rpm

    Max Torque: 155 Nm / 4000 rpm

    0-100 KM: 12 secs

    Top Speed: 180 km/h

    BHP/Litre: 68.3 bhp/litre

    Drive Train

    Drive Train Type: FF

    Gears: 7

    Transmission: Auto Tiptronic

    Fuel Consumption

    Fuel Consumtion Urban: 9.2 litre/100km (10.9 km/litre)

    Extra Urban: 6.2 litre/100km (16.1 km/litre)

    Combined: 7.3 litre/100km (13.7 km/litre)

    C02 Emission: N.A contribute

    Dimensions

    Gross Weight: 1830 kg

    Kerb Weight: 1310 kg

    Length: 4273 mm

    Height: 1603 mm

    Width: 1777 mm

    Wheelbase: 2778 mm

    Trackfront: 1556 mm

    Trackrear: 1551 mm

    Ground Clearance: N.A contribute

    Turning Radius: 5.975 m

    Seating Capacity: 5

    Boot Capacity: 544

    Fuel Capacity: 54 litres

    Tyre Size: 195/65 R 15

    From specs, MB170 ni lagi berat n less power than Exora walau cc lagi besar.

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  • mangkali (Member) on May 08, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    tested exora, feel underpowered with 4 ppl in it, patience needed to accelerate. interior huge to e extent of equipments scarcity due to the contrast, and on the outside looks big bt a lil clumsy.gears kept changing when up slope, real pain..have to engage gear 3 or 2 designed in the auto transmission when u go genting.suitable for slow patient drivers,tight budget families.suspension is orite, seats too flat, not reli comfortable

    tested rondo, way superior in terms of engine. it has gt a pretty butt, fascia is orite.interior and dashboard compact n nice,more luxurious feel, a real deal for mpv under 100k. its downside is the 3rd row, less spacious but enough to fit a 1.65m dude.

    add 10 more grands from exora and we could get a 2 litre engine.

    saw a rondo park beside a crv and i wud say their size in quite comparable bt crv is a 5 seater

    livina has gt luxurious interior, but its beige colour fabric isnt suitable for kids, livina looks too cramp on the inside and small from outside, somewhat like a elongated small car.but it only comes with 1.6 n 1.8, if u going for brand then livina may be it..

    im driving a hyundai matrix with 245 000km in it from 2003, had no problems at all as most wud link it with korean car.so the choice of mpv wud be kia rondo

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  • HIRUMAJR on May 09, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    X pernah naik rondo… But if citra, 3 row is very uncomfortable for me(tinggi 170cm)…. untuk jarak 20 kilometer pon dah x tahan… sempit sangat…. power agak ok la… lebih kurang dengan wira 1.6…. tapi rondo nampak macam besar sikit dari citra.. mungkin lebih selesa kot…. at least, both exora and citra/rondo is much better than avanza…. bukan nak cakap avanza x bagus… cume bile naik avanza ni, rase lebih kurang dengan kenari… mudah sangat bergoyang….. mpv yg bawah 100k ni rasanya innova yg paling besar kot(toyota unser yg paling besar dan selesa)…

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  • HIRUMAJR on May 09, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    X pernah naik rondo… But if citra, 3rd row is very uncomfortable for me(tinggi 170cm)…. untuk jarak 20 kilometer pon dah x tahan… sempit sangat…. power agak ok la… lebih kurang dengan wira 1.6…. tapi rondo nampak macam besar sikit dari citra.. mungkin lebih selesa kot…. at least, both exora and citra/rondo is much better than avanza…. bukan nak cakap avanza x bagus… cume bile naik avanza ni, rase lebih kurang dengan kenari… mudah sangat bergoyang….. mpv yg bawah 100k ni rasanya innova yg paling besar kot(toyota unser yg paling besar dan selesa)…

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  • mangkali (Member) on May 09, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    To: hirumajr

    unser not tt clas, mcm budget bunia 7 seater, tak ada clas mpv feel.tapi besar la, bun murah juga.relative saya ada.ada orang cakap unser tak kuat.. i onli 19 yrs old, suke rondo styling daripada unser, haha. tapi rondo dalam nia barang not bad, gema engine lagi. kalau jln dalam nia banyak senyup,sedap! suspension dia bun banyak bagus, u ada chance pergi try..

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  • we are planning to buy proton exora as by next year brother in law kids they are teen coming to stay with us!! saloon car no space for them. :(

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  • Taking into consideration the monetary value for the Exora, I believe that it is worth it. Lets put aside all those pretty things on a BMW, Merc,Lexus, Toyotas & Hondas………….Exora is a good buy. Very disappointed to know that there is NO ISOFIX……………Proton should know that the Exora is going to be targeted for the family segment…………..and not for Speed. I believe that Proton should learn and understand more of Safety for passengers/drivers/buyers rather than getting stingy on these kinda thingy.

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  • bleedification on May 22, 2009 at 9:42 am

    "waa Exora underpowered la. fail."

    From my short experience driving on Malaysian roads, 120km/h is the realistic maximum cruising speed limit for anyone who cared enough about their license (and wallet, to some extent) will drive on Malaysian roads. Yep, 110kmh is the limit on highway, but 120kmh is forgiveable to some extent, ala borak2 la baik2 skeyt ngan uncle misai tu. leh nye… As long as Exora can maintain 120km/h on the highway with no difficulty, I see no problems in the power department. Driving up to 160+km/h with your family aboard? Seriously? Sayangilah keluarga anda.

    Proton have done a commendable job in giving a very competent MPV to the Malaysian market. Kudos to Proton for (FINALLY) listening to our woes, we wanted a good MPV for as long as i could remember (im 25). If I have my own family I will put my money down for this. For now, Neo looks much more funner. =D

    i know "funner" is wrong. but its funner using "funner". grammer police stay away. its not fun ler.

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  • elvin on May 26, 2009 at 3:59 am

    under power very bad.interior good!

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  • com'on la, Exora is MPV. a MPV required high torque but not high horsepower.

    Anyway, Exora has good exterior and interior, i will only give low marks for the enginee. others i consider as 85%

    A suggestion is do a CAMPRO MPV version which is generate less hp but lot more torque. (eg: 130hp and 200Nm)

    If Exora can achieve that it should be the best first choice MPV. Cheap, nice looking, powerful.

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  • keluar masuk wrkshop on May 30, 2009 at 12:40 am

    good job for proton..,cause the company is first local company use their own R&D to produce the mpv(exora) compare with other company.,my suggestion is, proton need to increase power of exora engine(performance)..,and also additional parts of accesories..,

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  • good job proton

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  • METABEE on Jun 17, 2009 at 4:43 am

    WOW, IT IS A VERYYYY GOOD . I HOPE I GET ONE SOON.IT IS VERY INTRESTING TO ME . I WOULD BUY THE BLUE COLOUR ONE . I WOULD SAY THAT IS AN EXECELLENT JOB AND VERY GOOD.PROTON EXORA WILL BE MY FAVOURITE CAR.

    I AM WATCHING MY FUTURE NOW.

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  • sarah connor on Jul 04, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Good job Proton!!!

    Tough all the rough Malaysian's comment, and all the economy breakdown issues MOST major projects are still on the way!!!!!!!!!!

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  • WaHaB on Jul 12, 2009 at 11:07 pm

    I think acceleration is an important point in any car. It doesn't mean that I want to use an Exora to race or compare 0-100 times, but like someone said here (somewhere) it would be dangerous at traffic lights, for example.

    Imagine, if it is indeed underpowered, with full capacity, trying to move from a standstill to cross junctions, u-turns or coming out of a junction expecting to accelerate fairly well, when suddenly you experience something like the torque-dip of old gen2s. You might pose a risk for others as you'll be coming into other people's paths at a very slow speed.

    I'm not saying that this hasn't happened, I see it happen everyday while driving. Just that it would be better if proton didn't add to this situation by providing a underpowered engine.

    IF it is underpowered, that is. I wouldn't know, been driving the same ol beat up wira aeroback for close to 10 years T_T

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  • Philip Gisan on Aug 20, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Choice of color for Proton Exora is limited. Probably to introduce suggest additional colors: Dark Green, Dark Brown and Bright Red

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  • Auto Motor Car on Oct 23, 2009 at 2:29 am

    nice mpv from south asia, go a head

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  • ShilaShower on Jul 19, 2011 at 2:35 am

    i pinjam gambar from this post untuk my blog post yer? i dah letak balik image source link back to here. tq :)

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