May 6, 2009 @ 10:51 am · Quote

Deal All,

I would like to know if any 1 know about the abs & ebd system in Exora. My question is… the abs & ebd is only for front Disc brakes or for all 4.

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The Proton Exora Anti-locking Brake System (ABS) uses for 4 independent sensors at all 4 vehicle wheels. It will prevent the front wheel with the 15" Disc and the rear drums 9" from locking up and allow steering wheel control while emergency breaking.

The Electronic Brake-Force Distribution work in hand with the ABS and balancing the brake force applied between the front & rear wheels. example, with full load 7 occupants or ven when single occupants. This will also prevent the vehicle from oversteering while applying the brakes hard with full load.

The Exora is also equipped with a Body Control Module (BCM) that will automatically activate its Hazard lights while sudden braking at the speed exceeding 96kmph. This Active Safety feature will warn other motorist tailing the Exora and to prevent rear end collision.

Cheers

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Overall, quite happy with the car, except going up hill. It was a bit slow. Other cars (including old Saga) were overtaking me.

IAfter coming back, went for first 1000KM service. Was told that I would have to bring back the car another day and leave it there whole day if I wanted tohave the creaking noise from the dashboard fixed.

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What I like:

- Spacious and comfortable

- Good handling

- Very good suspension – no problem going over bumps

Problems I noticed:

- Took the car on first day up the Paya Terubong hill road. I put on 3rd Gear. When going up hill (with 4 adults and 4 children), car felt underpower. Stepped very hard on the pedal. The RPM shot up to 6000 plus. Then we smelt a burning smell like rubber burning. We all got so worried in the car. The smell went away as soon as the RPM went below 4000. When we came home I read in the owner's manual the smell could come from the Catalytic Converter, because of excessive engine operation. Took the car back to SC the next day. The technician took the car out for a drive. Came back and recommended I should use Drive. Cannot put to 3rd Gear once the engine has picked up. I tried this on the same hill road. When in Drive, the RPM would only go up to 5000 for a short while. There was still the burning odour once RPM hit 5000. I want to know if this is normal.

- Creaking sound from the passenger side of the dashboard at low speed.

- engine very hot and noisy (when RPM goes above 4000)

Will be driving the Exora with my family to Kuala Terengganu this coming Monday. So I hope there is nothing seriously wrong with the engine and catalytic ocnverter.

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I would like to know if any 1 know about the abs & ebd system in Exora. My question is… the abs & ebd is only for front Disc brakes or for all 4. I would sincerely appreciate answer for the above question from anyone… also it would b great if u can explain ur ans.

Need Help!!

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1: it's "think" not "thing"

2: any car if u lanyak like hell of coz la after 3-5 years bunyi mcm2… wonder why happen a lot to p1 car? bcoz when u buy p1.. it's dirt cheap… so u dun care n lanyak like hell… but when u buy H or T… it's expensive so u drive carefully, if possible a bump on the road oso dunt want to hit… of coz la p1 car deteriorate faster if like that….

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price considered expensive for local car pricing.

the price suppose around rm40k to rm45k.

the engine cc also small for that size, fuel consumption will be high. 1.8 ~ 2.0cc is recommended for mpv.

if you wana test drive, pls get it fully loaded with passengers and stuffs.

feel it & think it your self.

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Very lucky I saw the Exora, but stopped by the salesman inside, but can view outside showroom.

Exora is huge, i saw 2 salesman step in 3rd row very easy and have enough head space.

When someone go inside the car, the car no "Goyang Goyang" i think the suspension is good, not like my last Unser very "Goyang Goyang".

But very sad that my handphone just broken down by last week so cannot take photo from there.

Surely no need to test drive, just prepare your cheque book tomorrow night.

My first car Proton Wira, before launching i have book already, "blind marriage"? ( after 4 year i sold it and have a book value gain RM5,000)

But in Paultan here, no more "blind marriage" again, right? we can even have test drive report before a new car launch.

ps: sorry for my broken english.

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Nice and well written summary. You seem very familiar with the internal workings of proton, especially in the passive safety aspects. Do you work for Proton?

You mentioned a combination of double HTSS trapezoidal bars and side impact catchers for side impact protection – is this also used in the exora? I'm pleasantly surprised that proton are still using these concepts – I was the engineer and designer of these structures. Good memories.

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-7 adult ok

-ground clearence ok

-turning circle is small

-fuel not too bad

-engine ok but harsh sound

-alarm ok

bad?

-seat less comfort ,infront like leaning to a ball, rear flat and upright

-drivers foot well's narrow

-high geared steering, need lots of turn

-long travel stiff spring makes bouncy

-scarry at speed

-gear change not smooth.

-uneasy for a small kid to get in

-creamy interior makes marks clearly seen

-no flat fold for 2nd and 3rd seat.

-dash is tasteless.

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about why i'm saying the excuse given by proton engineer is fair is because he/she is right…. isofix is NOT a regulation in malaysia that is why it is not included… i believe that will also be the reason why other car manufacturer is not putting it into their car…. simply because it is not a regulation…

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don't give me the " Proton should/ can be the leader on this issue etc " sh*t… why is it forgiveable to other car manufacturer but not Proton? been reading ur blog since long ago…

btw… isofix is not a really really important thing… it is important, i agree… but there are alternatives… cheaper n yet can provide quite same level of safety …..[/quote]

So you honestly think that its fine for Proton to deny its own people safety features that will be STANDARD on export models? The difference between Proton and the other manufacturers you talk about is that Proton is MALAYSIAN and exists only because of the money and support of the Malaysian people. If Proton refuses to take the lead in protecting their so-called "own people", who else will? Do Japanese/Euro/American carmakers remove safety features for their home market while including it in export versions? Nope, but Proton has always done it this way, to their eternal shame. It really says it all about your attitude that you think people actually expecting Proton to lead the way in its home market is "sh*t"

Look, it's clear that you're ignorant about what ISOFIX is by saying there's some magical alternatives that provide the same level of safety. You're wrong again because seat belts alone simply don't, especially if they're improperly fitted, a common problem which ISOFIX prevents. If you don't mind paying nearly 80k for your family to be treated as second class, that's your choice but kudos to PT for standing up for this matter, nice to see some more fire in his opinions lately and hope it continues.

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For those who think that proton engineers never test the cars and Malaysian people are the guinea pig for proton, u r wrong. All the engineers and technician are work hard especially the HNT unit (for this area) except that the vendors had tarnish all of their hard works. Chow…………….[/quote]

yes we knew for gen 2 the distance covered is 25X round the world and yet a auto that downshift for no reason were on the market,now we knows we should blame mitsu instead.

as for the waja platform we have some other source said it was a direct clone one though.they claimed to quote from prtn insider,hope you can clarifiy this long standing disputation.

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do you mean active headrest? for the moment, no,may be in the future if the market change but for ur info, even when proton make a car seat, all the things has been taken into account such as comfort, safety, crash condition, how the seat react to different situation and weight, they test everything using software and data from hnt people and also do the live test using dummy. it is not as simple as buy a ready made seat. protn use multi hardness technology when inventing the seat. thats why even oem seat are quite expensive because it is customise and unique to the specific car only.

all seatbelts have pretensioner and for front row include load limiter. the airbags are the standard one but because the seatbelt incorporated with pretensioner and load limiter, it help to cushion the effect of airbags deployment.

it is hard to please malaysian people. normally they want a highline equipment but comes with baseline price.

like i said before, prtn do listen to their customers. chow…………[/quote]

Hi 460,

Thanks for your reply. Hope I didn't offend you in any way. Just that I would like to gain as much information and understanding about the development of Exora from you since you are from Proton itself to start with. I appreciate your responses to my questions. Thanks once again. Really would like to meet you in person one day. I had three Proton in my life thus far, started with Saga 1.3S, Wira 1.6XLi, and Gen.2 1.6M which was a disaster. Hopefully, with this Exora, my perception towards Proton will change forever. Do you mean all the 7 seven seat belts are equipped with pre-tensioners and load limiters ? Or, just that for the front seats only ? It will be the first in market if all the seats are equipped the same. Technical term it is called head restrain not head rest as most of us called it. No pun intended. Hope to hear more from you, bro. Cheers.

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and i believe all MPV is using this kind of configuration since it is impossible u make 3 point seat belt for the middle seat for 2nd row or 3rd row unless they somehow introduce a pillar at the center to accomodate the anchor point for the seat belt…and that would be like a house "tiang seri" maybe… =p[/quote]

It is possible to have the center seat to be equipped with 3 point seat belt confifuration. I previous mpv had that. Some of the MPVs in town also have this set up.

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and i believe all MPV is using this kind of configuration since it is impossible u make 3 point seat belt for the middle seat for 2nd row or 3rd row unless they somehow introduce a pillar at the center to accomodate the anchor point for the seat belt…and that would be like a house "tiang seri" maybe… =p

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do you mean active headrest? for the moment, no,may be in the future if the market change but for ur info, even when proton make a car seat, all the things has been taken into account such as comfort, safety, crash condition, how the seat react to different situation and weight, they test everything using software and data from hnt people and also do the live test using dummy. it is not as simple as buy a ready made seat. protn use multi hardness technology when inventing the seat. thats why even oem seat are quite expensive because it is customise and unique to the specific car only.

all seatbelts have pretensioner and for front row include load limiter. the airbags are the standard one but because the seatbelt incorporated with pretensioner and load limiter, it help to cushion the effect of airbags deployment.

it is hard to please malaysian people. normally they want a highline equipment but comes with baseline price.

like i said before, prtn do listen to their customers. chow…………

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460 has not decided to answer my questions posted a few days ago.

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when you fix isofix points to a car it gives someone the option to use both isofix and nonisofix car seats. who says u cannot continue using the rm400 seats if you want to? just like the exora wont stop you from not using baby seats at all. or even using your seatbelt as an adult.

so equipping isofix points to a car will not prevent people from using non-isofix baby seat if they cannot afford isofix baby seats.

but why deny people the choice to use isofix seats just because they think we dont know how to use and its not a regulation? when i asked proton about it, first thing they said was "it is not a regulation".

i am bringing this up here so that proton takes notice and in the end all MALAYSIAN CONSUMERS benefit. unlike the international consumers which will have isofix in their exora as standard.

when you keep trying to make excuses for proton, what good does it do for us, malaysian consumers, the rakyat of malaysia?

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don’t give me the ” Proton should/ can be the leader on this issue etc ” sh*t… why is it forgiveable to other car manufacturer but not Proton? been reading ur blog since long ago… haven’t seen u barking madly on other manufaturer posts when they don’t have isofix…. but when it’s proton somehow it become something like life n death situation…. if it is not exist in exora ppl will die…

btw… isofix is not a really really important thing… it is important, i agree… but there are alternatives… cheaper n yet can provide quite same level of safety …..

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Its good that you stick to your principal pertaining on this Isofix thing…

We respect you on that.. at least we know that you are consistent in your view…

460,

Your explaination is acceptable to me.. Perhaps Proton will take Paul' suggestion seriously….

But personaly I feel that even without ISOFIX, people will still buy this MPV.

Better still if it surprisely come with Isofix…

Paul will be happy man by then… Sorry Paul… he he he

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err.. u got new baby? i just guest.. because it seems that ISOFIX is the most important for you.. as a father, of course you will think and do the best for your new baby..hehe..

if we cannot get ISOFIX.. get ISO9002 pun ok what Ini Susah Orang..hehe..

Cheers!!

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Just wondering, why of all the flaws ONLY the Isofix thing is being highlighted so very err.. seriously ?

Does it means that Exora is virtually flawless in other areas (of course the 1.6L engine is still doubtful to some of us) and could be the best MPVs in its segment (Avanza/Livina/Rondo) ? Do you personally think that it can also eat into the Wish/Stream/Grandis/Mazda5 territory as a worthy contender?

This kind of thinking made me restless and sleepless to wait for that official launching date to see and feel it for myself,.. i might even bite the dashboard top and just to literally get a taste of it..! he he

.peace!

(TJCC Life-Time Unofficial Member)

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Just make the Isofix installation as "aksesori tambahan" when the customer want to book the car..

if the customer dun have baby, the ISOFIX thing just a wastage!!

but if they have baby, they just add it lah..simple la..aiyooo.. no need to be mad about isofix PT.. not all malaysian need isofix.. and if we installed ourself, we can choose the best brand based that we can afford it..

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