Comments on: BYD M6: Estima inspired Chinese MPV

By: No White Dog

No White Dog — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:00:26 +0000

who cares warren invested in the company. dude only invested some 10% and all white cracker news medias made it sound like he’s backing the whole company. chinese are buying up US debts but you dont hear racist white pigs medias claiming china is backing US do you??

anything chinese made are copy catters huh??? how lame!

By: KL king

KL king — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:36:56 +0000

BYD M6's inferior http://img.autohome.com.cn/2009/4/16/16-10-3-19-9... I got it at http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200904/58972.html

By: farghmee

farghmee — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:21:06 +0000

if look can be deceiving, thankfully i'm not deceived.

how about handling, crash rating, reliability?

By: Tiadaid

Tiadaid — Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:25:16 +0000

[quote comment="224292"]Proton must move like Perodua ….where toyota and daihatsu influence has succesffuly attract locals …i.e. Myvi aka Passo / Boon…if Proton and his old sifu ( mitsu )…just rebadge Grandis and sell it cheaper…….[/quote]

Because M'sians are suckers for brands, even though the product is like shit! Just because Myvi is a rebaged Passo, then ppl buy and go modify it to look like a Passo. Then what good will having automotive engineering courses at local university? Those ppl graduate become tukang pasang kereta only. M'sians don't think of the bigger picture, so that's why we're like we are now!

By: Enigma4646

Enigma4646 — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:37:31 +0000

Then if Ploton knows the "taste" of Malaysian…why cant they design and produce like most of Malaysian wants ???? youngsters wants turbo cars …family man need a state of the art design MPV mostly like estima but with reasonable price ….older people maybe like to drive a new design Proton Perdana …..jap cars change their design every 5 years at least …not to take into consideration facelifts etc …..again the price they ask from us Malaysian make us no choice ….gen 2 has been 'exchanged' with chery eastar in China …..they have rebadged gen 2 over there….as an exhange Alado can bring in eastar and tiggo over here….again ….its all about POLITICS …CHRONISME……..if not they want to rebadge chery eastar too but what will people say abt it ???

China has been moving very fast in this kind of industry ….if warren buffet himself invest in BYD …what does it shows??? I dont think WB himself blindly invest his money in China ????

If Proton wants to catch up ….give Malaysian a reasonable price tag …care what people wants …design or rebadge if possible …

Proton must move like Perodua ….where toyota and daihatsu influence has succesffuly attract locals …i.e. Myvi aka Passo / Boon…if Proton and his old sifu ( mitsu )…just rebadge Grandis and sell it cheaper…….

By: Ikan

Ikan — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:50:06 +0000

[quote comment="223996"]who knows one day china cars as many and as popular as japan cars.[/quote]

n who knows…one day malaysia cars as many n as fofular as japan cars…

If someday, P1 do rebadge lancer for its Waja replacement project, i wonder, what will some ppl here who said copying n rebadging is a good practice, gives comment on wajalution…..lolz…

By: muznie

muznie — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:24:48 +0000

COMPARE THIS CAR: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DW3Bp12L7YI/SL3zBjTNhPI... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DW3Bp12L7YI/SL3zBpqgC0I... http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DW3Bp12L7YI/SL3yT3tD39I...

By: Arise

Arise — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:32:05 +0000

bandingkan dengan tahun ke tahun (year to year) antara kami dengan pembuat kenderaan asing. Kerjayaan kami berada di tahap mana ? Kami nak jawapan yang jujur ya ?

By: nss

nss — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:30:32 +0000

[quote comment="223997"][quote comment="223882"]Nothing wrong for being copycat. It is all part of learning process. Don't we all started learning by copying? [/quote]

EXACTLY.[/quote]

Aiyoooh, copying to learning, not to earn money %-(

Seconder…kroni…corrupt…Mahaleel…AP…Rafidah…UMNO…Mahathir…power window…300% tax…outdated…expensive…money maker…lousy service…stupid prouder…blinder…converter…recycler… :-& … 9_6 … X( …

Proud to own a junk O:) Forever TJCC!! <3

By: aliBaPa

aliBaPa — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:59:39 +0000

[quote comment="223882"]Nothing wrong for being copycat. It is all part of learning process. Don't we all started learning by copying? [/quote]

EXACTLY.

By: aliBaPa

aliBaPa — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:57:05 +0000

who knows one day china cars as many and as popular as japan cars.

By: tokmoh

tokmoh — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:40:33 +0000

[quote comment="223977"]Biasa le, kalu dari luar tu semua bagus. Kalau local, perghh… cam nak mati kutuk…. Proton rebaged kena kutuk, Cherry copy kata bagus, high tech dll. . Proton kerjasama keluar kereta, kena kutuk. Cherry curi design buat sendiri puji sampai bawah tilam. Jepun dulu blajar buat kereta dengan kerjasama bukan curi design. Proton blajar buat kereta dengan kerjasama. Bukan curi design. Tapi biasale, kalau keluaran malaysia tu mesti tak bagus. Erkk.. yang memuji ester & kutuk P1 tu bukan malaysian ke ?. Tu nampak tak bagus tu. [/quote]

Biasa lah. Reminds me of Soichiro Honda's quote: "Ppl only see my success which is 1%. Ppl don't see 99% of my failures."

Or something like that ehehe. For Proton's case, I think it's more like "Ppl see my failure which is 99%. Ppl dun see my success which is 1% ", and then followed by "Proton success 1% oni a? So stupid wasting taxpayers money, go close shop, kroni, corrupt, Mahaleel, AP, Rafidah, UMNO, Mahathir, power window, 300% tax, in Japan Nissan GT-R is v cheap, in Italy Lambo Reventon is v cheap, in Germany BMW v cheap, zzzzzzzz……"

Proud to drive a junk LONG LIVE TJCC!!

By: msi

msi — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:25:55 +0000

tajuk pasal kereta china..last2 pasal proton gak yg dibincangkan. nampaknya makin ramai yg ambil berat pasal proton. gud2.

By: initial R

initial R — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:19:28 +0000

Biasa le, kalu dari luar tu semua bagus. Kalau local, perghh… cam nak mati kutuk…. Proton rebaged kena kutuk, Cherry copy kata bagus, high tech dll. . Proton kerjasama keluar kereta, kena kutuk. Cherry curi design buat sendiri puji sampai bawah tilam. Jepun dulu blajar buat kereta dengan kerjasama bukan curi design. Proton blajar buat kereta dengan kerjasama. Bukan curi design. Tapi biasale, kalau keluaran malaysia tu mesti tak bagus. Erkk.. yang memuji ester & kutuk P1 tu bukan malaysian ke ?. Tu nampak tak bagus tu.

By: Enigma4646

Enigma4646 — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:29:13 +0000

you can see the real photo of this BYD M6 in china local forum ….I wish they will bring it here ……I think I have update it in my CMC Lowyat forum ….the real photos of this BYD M6.Cheers.

By: Enigma4646

Enigma4646 — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:25:54 +0000

CMC ….Eastar …..dont play play …..Paul Ask Alado to test the Chery MPV ….once and for all…..

By: nss

nss — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:55:40 +0000

I had see two Chery Eastar in Kuantan, soon it will concealed by Exoras…Exoras…Exoras…Exoras…Exoras…Chery…Exoras…Exoras…Exoras…

Re-badge and Copycat are different. If re-badge is packeting, then copycat is printing. Copycat is a cat, no different here or there. I think Warren Buffet have give them a latest high tech printing machine.

If China made good, I will said good copy, but to P, double standard is his fate and to us too.

By: tokmoh

tokmoh — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:54:04 +0000

[quote comment="223578"]Just wonder if it's just me, but have you guys noticed the Chery Eastar is everywhere now? I see it at least once a day on the road.[/quote] Hm... come to think of it, yes. I do see it every time I go to Sunway Pyramid. Nvm, come Exora, it'll disappear lol.

By: kei9

kei9 — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:11:42 +0000

No Chery Easter here in Sarawak.

For sure.

By: LogicallyMad

LogicallyMad — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:20:31 +0000

AcActually I think for most ppl here, it is not really wrong if you copy other company design (with permission) or did a rebadge deal… but IMHO what really made some ppl angry / unsatisfied etc… is just most of the time when the copying / rebadging is done by other company esp foreign company it is acceptable for most ppl and they comment it on a really2 positive way…. But when it is done by P1… somehow it become unacceptable, unforgiveable and wrong for these ppl… they will bash P1 like there is no tomorrow… even when P1 did design car on their own, ppl still saying that they copy from other manufacturer etc…. WTH… why is the double standard????

By: azrai

azrai — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:37:31 +0000

Another nicely done China rip-off. Anyway, this is good because people like the look. So no need to come out with something extraordinary and the ordinary work out. Can you imagine the price if introduce in Malaysia? Just look at those competitive price Eastar MPV. RM80k for 2.5l Mitsubishi's power 7 seater. Look lucrative. Just look at KL where there are many of them.

By: bolo

bolo — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:33:02 +0000

Nothing wrong for being copycat. It is all part of learning process. Don't we all started learning by copying? Even BMW was copying British Austin. AUSTIN!! when they started out making cars. The Russians did it (aircraft especially), the Japanese did it, the Korean did it. Copying required a solid engineering foundation to reverse engineer and recreated everything from an existing design (without blue print), there's no coincidence that the above nations were already industrial powers when they started copying. Rebadging car is a different story, you just take an existing production line, tooling and molds and replace some cosmetic panels and logos to "create" a different car. Mind you, all the manufacturers do it. Even Toyota at one time rebadged a Holden to sell it as Toyota Lexen in Australia. Alfa Romeo flirted with Nissan to create the disastrous ARNA. I will not debate the man made legal laws on copyright, but any manufacturers who are interested in the long term viability will move out of their "copying" phase and start to innovate with indegeneously developed expertise, otherwise natural market forces will put them into extinction. In Malaysia, we are trying to leapfrog from being assembler/rebadger to creator within the same generation, and Proton in particular is trying to do it by buying expertise from outside the country (Mitsubishi, EDAGS, LG, Lotus ), Peroduo is still in assembler/rebadger phase. I am not optimistic that the technical knowledge can take root here locally. The engineering foundation of our nation need to come from our polytechnics and universities and the current sign is not encouraging.

By: madmarzio

madmarzio — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:55:59 +0000

yaa.. lets bring all copycat cars here.. copycat civic, accord, estima, camry, bmw, merc "8" series.. so let the people at p1, p2, naza, honda, toyota malaysia etc. suffers and close shops.. stooouuupid you!

By: ikan

ikan — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:34:26 +0000

So for some ppl here…when it comes to p1 design or when it comes to p1 rebadge car…u dont have right to bashed like there is no more tomorrow for p1..coz its already shows dat some ppl said it is a good practice…so..no more biased comments k…

Eventhough its kind of weird when some ppl here when in topic related to p1 car, they said p1 have dried of idea n bla..bla..bla..when it comes to other carmaker, for them its acceptable..what a weird Malaysian…lolz..no offense ya..just my opinion..

By: sadin

sadin — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:56:15 +0000

Copy something here, something there is ok but copy the whole concept and design and put your emblem on it is totally different story like what they did to honda crv previous gen and the X5. Even honda tried to sue them before but was failed by their court. Proton used to copy mitsu, but it was a rebadge deal and proton paid money to them. It is not to say the china made quality is inferior, but even it is better quality but copy from somebody else effort is unethical. If it is wrong; people involved ie support, buy t products, they have to pay for it, someway or others, like karma thing, nothing is free man….

By: Tengokaje..

Tengokaje.. — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:34:26 +0000

Paul… If I'm not mistaken, Cherry Easter assembled in Oriental Assemblers JB as CKD. They also assembled Hyundai as CKD. Oriental Assemblers previously assembled Honda, a few Merc and Peugot.

By: BB

BB — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:21:39 +0000

don look down the china-man…. by know ppl strong points will improve our self! if P1 getting what he has today without protection, i will say P1 has done a good job! but the fact is other way round.

By: LogicallyMad

LogicallyMad — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:15:59 +0000

Ya lorr… Exora also same with wish, grandis mazda 5… and a lot more i think.. well u see… a lot of similarity… ummm like… 4 tyres, round shape tyres, got fdoors, steering wheel that is round shape, pull type handbrake, ummm L shape seats, what else aaa… -.-…. -.-"

By: Arise

Arise — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:36:20 +0000

[quote comment="223624"][quote comment="223608"]WTH, this is much better than EXORA…[/quote]

Lagi nak compare ngan EXORA. Different classes, where can compare?! Furthermore, if Proton does the same and copy other cars, then people will bash. Design sendiri pun kena bash…pendek kata, anything Proton do, will be bashed![/quote]

Dah tak payah susah susah nak gaduh kat sini. Tengok baik baik tu exora punya depan, serupa M5.

By: JULAJULI

JULAJULI — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:29:40 +0000

apa kata korang kalu malaysia pun ada manyak brand kereta then copy@ dr btand yg popular? isn't it interesting?