Why would it be a waste of money? Proton is not paying Detroit Electric to make electric cars for them. From what I understand, Detroit Electric is buying Proton platforms to make electric cars for their own Detroit Electric brand. And Proton is contract manufacturing it for them according to their specs in Shah Alam. So Proton is earning money from selling platform and plant capacity, not spending it.[/quote]

Hi Paul,

I haven't looked at this page since my last comment. With this much spending and investment from Detroit (RM1.2 billion) its only right to assume that only proton will buy their stuff. I mean who else would buy our cars but us. BMW,MERCEDEZ or even KIA and other major players will not buy our car due to many reasons. With this ala- ala you scratch my back and i scratch yours business ,sooner or later our already overpriced persona's ,gen2s and our ridiculous cheapo plastic rubbish bin extra parts iswara or whatever they called it will be more over price which is the norm especially in Malaysia once they attached this new pricey tech that probably would be a dime a dozen in Detroit.Proton knows that we got no choice but to spend money on them instead of buying other better machines. My worries is that sooner or later Malaysian's would rather spend that much money on a foreign car marquee which will affect protons sales.

I don't bash proton for fun,I point out the obvious things that could happen. Why don't proton build better cars, cars that protect me and don't kill me in an accident. Don't believe? just open your proton's hood and compare it to other brand, not need german marquee's just KIA or others will do fine and tell me that proton done all their best and spend all their money in building safer cars. The last time things weren't going according to plan by proton , they sacked the good chairman, spent a lot of money restructuring themselves , finally admitted their cars were not up to par with proper quality let alone international standards and sold their their stakes in mv agusta for 1 euro.Then our government got no choice but absorb their losses. Like i said god save's us all.

For all we know the japanese , germans or even the indians would have thought of electric cars , small wonder why they didn't do it.

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Proton cant even get their own cars right ,and now they wanna team up and produce electric cars.Oh,come on.You can do something more meaningful![/quote]

engkau ni bodoh ke ape?… baca la betul betul….[/quote]

maybe they did not bother to know the content of the story..

all they want to know is bash bash bash

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Well i do think that P1 now have the kepercayaan rakyat and plzzz dont make us hilang harapan padamu lagi Proton! Harapan mereka tinggi menggunung nih!! There is thing that u should be more important than EV, which is QUALITY.

Btw i heard that P1 will have new "coach" imported from Germany who is a real automotive man to train P1 "players" (read engineers) on quality, by next financial year. So, we hope that P1 guys can make world standard quality cars and we wish u good luck to join world's automotive league. Proton FC bolehh!!! Lol

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Proton cant even get their own cars right ,and now they wanna team up and produce electric cars.Oh,come on.You can do something more meaningful![/quote]

engkau ni bodoh ke ape?… baca la betul betul….

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mine ok jer power window..siap main naik turun power window x rosak pun[/quote]

Looks like this bro still in the old power window issue years ?…

Are you still in the 90s?.

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Proton would know this…if you stay in flat,apartment and condo its near impossible to charge..unless you a have a portable battery or generator(but again it uses fuel) so if only the infrastructure for charging and etc available then we can think of going 100% electric..

but again when they have individual charging socket and etc..the cost of electricity will be much higher than 3 cent per kilometer..

and when we go full electric country like malaysia is more dependent on coal to produce electric and coal produces more carbon that fossil fuel..which will only increase our carbon footprint and if it dont..atleast equal the amount of fossil fuel engine we currently using..and malaysia is expected to have nuclear energy in 20 years to come..

so my conclusion is..the electric car is a good effort but not worth for malaysians unless we use solar chargers or wait till we go nuclear!!

until then you buy a full electric car for the fun of it or to save on fuel in the long term…

but many missing one important point here…proton is getting more desirable now..detroit have choosen proton because its cars are cheap and have world class build and manufacturing quality!!!so think again…proton is getting world recognition..we should be proud!![/quote]

Have you ever heard of BAKUN? Revive the project, and dont sell the energy to Singapore or Batam. Upgrade gridlines capacity and voila, we are ready!

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As a looser, i can't believe u're the fastest swimmer than the rest of the sperms last time…[/quote]

No looser here, we are the fastest swimming sperms had win the tickets to this world years ago.

Only looser stick on midway… last time.

Back to topic, hope G and P doest stick on midway…

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"The cars will have a range of about 200 miles on a full charge after keeping them plugged to an ordinary electric power outlet for seven to eight hours. "

20 minutes charging?… read up ….from real FACTS.

As for tax payers money….everyone pays for it. I have no resentment, as it's my obligation as a citizen. However, I do reserve the right of my opinion here on knowing money is spent well.

I am not against social or technology advancement…I embrace it…but there is a true line between feasible , practical and timely.

I admit I don't know this, but I hope you know how to calculate electrical bills on charging lithium ion batts or planning a metropolitan, moreover driving more than 400km without lights at night or having a dead batt in traffics. Again, we can be "forefront", but we must also learn from those who have more experience than us before running blindly in the dark.

Maybe in 10 years time…but having a mindset to produce a electric car now is…to me….remains non-feasible.

If you have a nicer way instead of bashing someone's opinion, please be constructive. The idea of leaving a comment is also respecting personal opinions, not for personal attacks or branding the person.

You can do the latar in some mamak stall…Peace.[/quote]

isn't it good to start from now..rite. y need to start 10 year later..isn't it a bit to late..better start early at least we have the infrastructure

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DSLRs do have mechanical shutters. That's what separates them from prosumer cameras. They are digital only in the sense that they have digital sensors rather than film.

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the discussion is about electrical cars…and my opinion does not need your judgement.

Your comments are more of sort branding my personality and my opinions….perhaps more on people than the subject itself.

it does not state I complaint about fuel prices, or anything…does it?. Nor does it state anywhere in this forum about restricted opinions. Don't put words in people's mouth.

What's so amazing is that it's easy to judge people…..but if you wish to make a personal attack…please keep it to yourself or tell it to your neighbour dogs.

btw, nobody here cares or wants to know your opinion about me either.

Stick to the subject.

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Most probably it will reduce noise pollution from IC engines.

To those who live in condos/apartments/flats then you do not need to buy the EV, there are another millions who live in terraces etc. who might benefit. Maybe as the car getting more popular there will be charging service for the unfortunates one.

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before I act up….how many countries out there have done this in term of economically successful or even the big japanese car manufacturers.

Hybrid?…Yes, I can accept that. 100% electrics….you gotta be kidding me.

I'm not buying one, even if it's RM$60k.[/quote]

Typical followers mindset. Which one is your motto; 'We cant do what others can't' or 'I'm not as good as them'.

Everything has a start…

Last time fuel price go up, everybody said "damn Proton always stick to conventional way of building cars, never move forward, never learn new technologies, bla… bla..". Now u murmurs of a few cents contribution from u for the tax. Come on.. grow up. At current relatively low fuel price, u talk not feasible bla bla. Later fuel price shoot up again??

And no one wants to know if you're buying one…

As a looser, i can't believe u're the fastest swimmer than the rest of the sperms last time…

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thats what the Earth Hour campaign for…save electricity bcoz of the global warming issue.bare in your mind not just to switch off the lights only today at 8.30pm,but try to reduce our elec consumption in your daily life.

sounds like solar powered car is the most enviromental friendly platform if we take heavy concern on polution.

for PROTON,i genuinely support this move.forget to those who are still 3rd world mind setting.

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they actually sell mostly reserve electricity..and our country has 40% reserve..

which mean..when demand increase..they still sell their reserve 40% out of the new increased demand..

so they still make more profit!!

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no no..i didnt disagree with you…proton's effort to come up with full electric car is great..but is it good for our people and country yet??that the problem..

maybe its good for country like UK,US and Australia.

let me tell you why we are not ready for current full electric cars.

1. town areas mostly have open space parking and basement type of parking.

2.many live in flats,apartment,condo and etc

3.we are using coal as our main power plant and bakun is just enough for the next five years electric usage(population growth,new development and etc)

4.our nuclear power plant is only going to start working around 2025

5.our electric grid is old and cannot support sudden additional loads,and TNB is having headache right now..since bakun not ready,ipp charge expensive..and etc

the conclusion is even if proton produce an electric car right now..the people is malaysia is not ready for it..

what i am worried is..as you know malaysians…they just hate our national companies being successful…and since we are not really ready..this EV might be a failure(short term basis) and proton might not consider another EV in future then(when we are ready)

hope you guys understand..because even our current leaders are short sighted…so proton cannot go thru any short term failure!!

and to be full EV ready..we have to overnight charging stations where u can park your car atleast a few hours..and the best time to this is when we are asleep..

so who will take those responsibility and invest on these kind of infrastructures??

and when those things are ready how much will we have to pay them??

then will we save enough money to overcome the intial car price ??

will our electric grid support this sudden surge and demand in electric???

so many thing to consider before they can even start selling a car!!

thats why full EV is not yet the right way…maybe this car can help proton and detroit motor learn..and by the time full EV is ready…they can have better models built..

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mayb u r rite…but dont you think it is time for us to utilize the IPP that we pay billions per year just to make sure we not in the dark….furthermore in 5 years mayb the bakun hydro plant will be operating and produce large amount of electric to all malaysians…in my opinion it is enough to cover the peak usage cause by EV car( if malaysian accept the changes la)…furthermore in 10-15 years time i think malaysia will have their own nuclear power plant that is more efficient then other power plant… i am not saying only EV car for the future…but what i mean is EV one of the alternative that will replace ICE in the future… for me its a good thing we start now rather we regret later not in par with others in term of future technology… correct me if i am wrong

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By going electric, we will decrease the number of petrol cars going into KL.

less IC cars = less polution.

Plus the fact that KL will be quieter too.

Now all we need are electric busses and KL can be the first truely electric city!

(and yes, makan banyak electric too)

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i'm working with the irb….the fact is – money collected from the individual is just to small compared to the company & petroleum based company…[/quote]

But, the companys worker, customer are individual, how do company (and gov) being without individual? Who own the petroleum? This is the point.

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Not so bad with the Proton models. But the orange Elise, is eerily and deafeningly silent, and still managed to out drag a supercharged Exige anytime or so I've been told.

I've driven the old Mk1 Elise. Noisy, hot, and in most cases, a galore of attack on all your senses. But the electric Elise, I'd imagine, would represent a driving experience that defies what one would expect from a sports car ride. Quiet, cool, fast, green, just things that don't correlate well with my idea of powerful and aggressive cars — how to attract attention when passing a mamak joint? do I sound the horn?

Oh well, maybe as someone pointed out, I've got slow genetics– haha! AFAIK there's enough fossil fuel to last my lifetime, so enjoy the imperfections of IC engine while it lasts!

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"The cars will have a range of about 200 miles on a full charge after keeping them plugged to an ordinary electric power outlet for seven to eight hours. "

20 minutes charging?… read up ….from real FACTS.

As for tax payers money….everyone pays for it. I have no resentment, as it's my obligation as a citizen. However, I do reserve the right of my opinion here on knowing money is spent well.

I am not against social or technology advancement…I embrace it…but there is a true line between feasible , practical and timely.

I admit I don't know this, but I hope you know how to calculate electrical bills on charging lithium ion batts or planning a metropolitan, moreover driving more than 400km without lights at night or having a dead batt in traffics. Again, we can be "forefront", but we must also learn from those who have more experience than us before running blindly in the dark.

Maybe in 10 years time…but having a mindset to produce a electric car now is…to me….remains non-feasible.

If you have a nicer way instead of bashing someone's opinion, please be constructive. The idea of leaving a comment is also respecting personal opinions, not for personal attacks or branding the person.

You can do the latar in some mamak stall…Peace.

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