Aiyah, since when did any Malaysian company ever become a trail blazer? Proton is just followers, and having lost millions in the last few years, this Detroit Electric deal must be heaven sent for them!!![/quote]

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Do you understand English? I don't think so. In plain English, this article says that Detroit Electric will provide the Electrical Engine to replace the normal Campro Engine (petroleum based) that are normally use in Persona & Gen2. All other parts like the air-con, chassis, tyres & etc, except for the engine will be from Proton. Meaning, Proton is selling the whole car to Detroit Electric, minus the engine only.

What happen is, Proton will build the car as normal, but without the engine. Then Proton will export the car to the US. In the US, Detroit Electric will later install the engine & battery into the car & rebadge it under their own brand instead of Proton brand. And Detroit Electric might also relocate its engine & battery production to Malaysia near Proton's Tanjung Malim factory. Then, the Persona & Gen2 that will be exported to the US are fully assemble in Malaysia, including the engine & battery.

The technology provide by Detroit Electric is only its Electrical Engine only. What about other car parts like the chassis, headlamps? Its come from Proton.

Below here are the list of all Car Manufacturer in the World:-

List of Japanese cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Japanese_car…

List Of Korean Cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_automobile_in…

List of Asian cars (Except from Japan & Korea)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Asian_cars#C…

List of U.S. cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._cars

List of Italian cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_cars

List of German cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_cars

List of French Cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_French_cars#…

List of British cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_cars

List of Western European cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_Euro…

List of Eastern European cars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eastern_Euro…

Other Parts of the World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cars#Asia

Most of these car manufacturers you never heard of! Because some already went bankrupted (see the year) or their inability to export their cars to oversea markets due to their uncompetitiveness to the host markets.

Of all the list of the car manufacturers above, WHY did Detroit Electric from the US choose only Proton from Malaysia & willing to sign a contract worth RM2 billion?

Is Detroit Electric is so STUPID & DUMB enough to choose Proton and hand over RM2 billion to Proton for nothing?

Oh yeah, I heard it before. I know the reasons. Because Proton produce the most crappy, low quality & unreliable car in the whole wide world that nobody wants to buy it. Plus our current government is so corrupted, so racism, so nepotism, so unstable & so untrustworthy that no foreign company want to do business with our current government right now.

P/S: Next time, if you want to criticize or bashing someone, somebody or anything, please present us with hard evidence or facts. Or else, you just look like a moron to the whole wide world.

By Protonfanatic

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Sounds thrilling.

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Proton is a national car manufacture, P have G behind to protected, so Detroit Electric don't need to worry about blunder that may happen, everything have G to cover. Maybe this is the reason that DE go to P. Now, P, G, DE and taxpayer(you,me,him) are at the same line. So, please don't lazy to sembahyanglah…

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the agreement has been signed….detroit will pay 1.2B for the first year…and the deal will benefit proton. since there is an agreement, sure both parties will be protected. Proton will get 'something' if there is a faul play.

come on….proton gain, not pay..

more income for proton means more tax will be paid to the G. more money, more development project can be generated…..

errr..cant see any wasted tax payer money here as mentioned by 'someone' on the last post…

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Aiyah, since when did any Malaysian company ever become a trail blazer? Proton is just followers, and having lost millions in the last few years, this Detroit Electric deal must be heaven sent for them!!!

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then in the next exam…u got 70% marks and ur friend got 95% marks… are getting better or r u getting worst? i would say u r improving n getting better… u study even harder and smarter after the first exam and get 70% marks from 40%… i would really say you are not getting worst and u r improving… of coz u r still not better than ur friend but i bet most ppl will agree with me that u r getting better…. but unfortunately if we based on what u said before… it would mean u r getting worst…. hmmm i would like to know does that woks….

in terms of PROTON, yes they r not better than T or H…. but in their current state they r much better then they were 8 -10 years ago… I would say that is an improvement….

u measeure ur clothes at ur own body… don't measure it at someone else's… or u might look like a clown…

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And one more, regarding ur comment on the other post that 'PROTON never learn and anything they do will only get things worst' . I don't see that is the case.. PROTON nowadays are better than before.. less quality issue.. I think you are the one that cannot let go of the past things.. and never learn….[/quote]

You made some good points until the last sentence…you are jsut asking for this then…

Try competing on a level playing field and see just how good you are.

No doubt, I agree with you, Proton IS getting better. But then again, its all relative isn't it….this "getting better" part?. Unfortunately, it isn't getting better than its competitors. What yardstick are you using to measure your performance? If you are not getting better than your competitors, you are getting worst right? Like I said, its all relative on what perspective you are looking from.

I would like to see proton learn from this and make better cars. I would also like to see them improving and openign the market (for suppliers of all races – not just Bumis – if the rest of us don't feel like we benefited, you can't use the patriotic card to play).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing proton, just that I am not very convinced. (my 97 is much better put together than my 2001 Proton….you go figure). I always vote with my money. And this time, its going elsewhere.

If proton can make a good car. I will buy one. If they can get the technology to transfer over, good for them and good for us Malaysians.

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from a cost point of view..i believe this is the best way for DE. this way, they do not need to invest in R&D to come up with a new platform just to incorporate their electric stuff into it. a new platform could cost in the hundreds of millions. Using an existing platform is certainly the way to go..

but for the future.. things must definitely change of course.. with the size of electric motors, etc.. plus the placement of batteries..etc.. many aspects of car design can be changed from the conventional

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I think the general body structure of the car will be the same regardless of the power train that will drive it… the part that most likely will change when you convert it to full electric car is the mounting inside the engine bay where the electric motor will be mounted and might be some change in the boot area where the battery will be placed…

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Wallace, Detroit Electric is infact a company based in Detroit in it early years… if you search for it history i believe u will find out that 'Detroit Electric (1907 – 1939) was an automobile brand produced by the Anderson Electric Car Company in Detroit, Michigan'. The company died during stock market crash in 1939… but recently revived to bring new tech into electric cars… so i thinkit is not right for you to claim that it has nothing to do with Detroit… At least it is getting better and improving.. unlike Detroit Pistons that currently is falling apart… =p

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Don't think shell/petronas will be too enthusiastic about that. The idea of having multiple electrical charging points around petrol pumps with petrol fumes spewing around is enough to send their safety engineers to nervous breakdown… Charging points at parking lots is more practical. The chargers can be incorporated into parking meters, with some smart engineering the parking meter/chargers can also be powered by solar panels.

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And one more, regarding ur comment on the other post that 'PROTON never learn and anything they do will only get things worst' . I don't see that is the case.. PROTON nowadays are better than before.. less quality issue.. I think you are the one that cannot let go of the past things.. and never learn….

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may be later the term "PC" power consumption will be popular.

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Is the time to said goodbye to the CamPro engine.[/quote]

And a greeting "welcome" to CamPro 1.6 CPS Turbo engine…

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Good opportunity for Proton maybe, but technically, Proton is jsut a supplier of chassis and manufacturing capacity.

It leaves to see how much of this technology can proton benefit from.

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I own a brand new Nissan 'coz I was prepared to pay the extra RM25k premium over Protons for the extra quality I got and v. good fuel consumption.

If Proton and Detroit Electric could price this vehicle around RM65k-70k, it will sell. Govt. can reduce tariff for its sales tax as incentive.

If it is priced more than 70k, I won't buy because it will need about 2.5-3 years to recover the fuel cost for me. Why should I? Yes it has less maintenance cost but this technology is not widely proven over here. Many would be conservative in keeping their petrol cars. Besides, after 3 years, other mechanical parts (not the battery) already have wear and tear.

Proton and Detroit City should also look at the super/minicar segment (Savvy, Myvi, Picanto, i10) as it is actually more appealing to City and commuting drivers. Price it around 40-45k. that would be brilliant.

If it can priced at USD23k (starting entry) that's about RM80k inclusive of the shipping cost and tax. Surely <70k is not too demanding.

Just my 2 kupang.

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