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	<title>Comments on: Proton in preliminary talks with Renault</title>
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	<description>Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry</description>
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		<title>By: Zool</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229542</link>
		<dc:creator>Zool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Proton need diesel engines fast, then buy Renault engines, after all Renault now owns Nissan.  If Proton have more time, then can make own diesel engines, collaborating with Ricardo Engineering in Sussex UK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Proton need diesel engines fast, then buy Renault engines, after all Renault now owns Nissan.  If Proton have more time, then can make own diesel engines, collaborating with Ricardo Engineering in Sussex UK.</p>
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		<title>By: nadzri m yusof</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229437</link>
		<dc:creator>nadzri m yusof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello basher,

If u feel u r good pls apply this USA Green Card Lottery
www.usagcls.com. Hope u can find peace here. waka kaa kaa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello basher,</p>
<p>If u feel u r good pls apply this USA Green Card Lottery<br />
<a href="http://www.usagcls.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.usagcls.com</a>. Hope u can find peace here. waka kaa kaa</p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229370</link>
		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Paul

any news about proton and perodua merger?

thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Paul</p>
<p>any news about proton and perodua merger?</p>
<p>thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229257</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228989&quot;]tiadaid .honda a rustbucket I second that.... own one,rusting at every body panel. ketuk here this month another one next month.

what to do to import lamborghoni :

1) contact automobili lamborghini s.p.a in Italy for distributership/agent status

2) open up showroom to sell cars

3) find partners for your company (30% bumi)

4) approach G for AP (with evidence of agent/distributorship status, infrastructure) for how many cars that you want to bring in. A will be given based on the number that you estimate to sell.

If you want to buy for private use then it will be different.[/quote]

u kno why only certain ppl got AP? because they manage to do item no. 1 said by biggie. 

dcwhz83, item 2,3 &amp; 4 is quite easy to do. ok mebbe not no 4.. but then item 1 is the most important... u have to get the contract to sell their cars. U have to convince those luxury car manufacturer to get the contract / dealership.... and remind you.. not all ppl can do that.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228989"]tiadaid .honda a rustbucket I second that&#8230;. own one,rusting at every body panel. ketuk here this month another one next month.</p>
<p>what to do to import lamborghoni :</p>
<p>1) contact automobili lamborghini s.p.a in Italy for distributership/agent status</p>
<p>2) open up showroom to sell cars</p>
<p>3) find partners for your company (30% bumi)</p>
<p>4) approach G for AP (with evidence of agent/distributorship status, infrastructure) for how many cars that you want to bring in. A will be given based on the number that you estimate to sell.</p>
<p>If you want to buy for private use then it will be different.[/quote]</p>
<p>u kno why only certain ppl got AP? because they manage to do item no. 1 said by biggie. </p>
<p>dcwhz83, item 2,3 &amp; 4 is quite easy to do. ok mebbe not no 4.. but then item 1 is the most important&#8230; u have to get the contract to sell their cars. U have to convince those luxury car manufacturer to get the contract / dealership&#8230;. and remind you.. not all ppl can do that&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bodohland</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229243</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodohland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chap-de-x, 

You make a hypothetical yet unsubstantiate assumption! Why don&#039;t make assumption how about Tsunami hit Shah Alam &amp; Tg Malim and brought down P1 car factories? Close shop and everything finish!


RT,

Who is smart,
--------------------
Thailand is smart come out with open policy that earn foreign income.

NAP is mentally challenged policy design to suck dry the rakyat by imposing prohibitive tax.

Unfortunately, you argument is the stupidity of highest order! &quot;Give me all your monies, because the monies is still inside Malaysia!!!!!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chap-de-x, </p>
<p>You make a hypothetical yet unsubstantiate assumption! Why don&#8217;t make assumption how about Tsunami hit Shah Alam &amp; Tg Malim and brought down P1 car factories? Close shop and everything finish!</p>
<p>RT,</p>
<p>Who is smart,<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Thailand is smart come out with open policy that earn foreign income.</p>
<p>NAP is mentally challenged policy design to suck dry the rakyat by imposing prohibitive tax.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you argument is the stupidity of highest order! &#8220;Give me all your monies, because the monies is still inside Malaysia!!!!!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229061</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah... can dream of replacing the Satria CamPro CPS with Satria R26 edi... go go go proton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; can dream of replacing the Satria CamPro CPS with Satria R26 edi&#8230; go go go proton</p>
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		<title>By: autojohndoe</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229042</link>
		<dc:creator>autojohndoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228723&quot;]Renault&#039;s mechanical is a bit suspect, but their structural engineering is top notch, the crash worthiness of their cars are consistently among the best. Proton should get body structural engineering tech transfer from Renault[/quote]
why should?

we have lotus for it... its enough i think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228723"]Renault&#8217;s mechanical is a bit suspect, but their structural engineering is top notch, the crash worthiness of their cars are consistently among the best. Proton should get body structural engineering tech transfer from Renault[/quote]<br />
why should?</p>
<p>we have lotus for it&#8230; its enough i think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: autojohndoe</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-229037</link>
		<dc:creator>autojohndoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228582&quot;]what&#039;s Continental AG ?[/quote]
speak like u know all, but none...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228582"]what&#8217;s Continental AG ?[/quote]<br />
speak like u know all, but none&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: biggie</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228989</link>
		<dc:creator>biggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiadaid .honda a rustbucket I second that.... own one,rusting at every body panel. ketuk here this month another one next month.

what to do to import lamborghoni :

1) contact automobili lamborghini s.p.a in Italy for distributership/agent status

2) open up showroom to sell cars

3) find partners for your company (30% bumi)

4) approach G for AP (with evidence of agent/distributorship status, infrastructure) for how many cars that you want to bring in. A will be given based on the number that you estimate to sell.

If you want to buy for private use then it will be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiadaid .honda a rustbucket I second that&#8230;. own one,rusting at every body panel. ketuk here this month another one next month.</p>
<p>what to do to import lamborghoni :</p>
<p>1) contact automobili lamborghini s.p.a in Italy for distributership/agent status</p>
<p>2) open up showroom to sell cars</p>
<p>3) find partners for your company (30% bumi)</p>
<p>4) approach G for AP (with evidence of agent/distributorship status, infrastructure) for how many cars that you want to bring in. A will be given based on the number that you estimate to sell.</p>
<p>If you want to buy for private use then it will be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiadaid</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228944</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiadaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who often complain about Proton this and Proton that, I recommend reading The Honda Myth about Honda. You&#039;ll see the progression of Honda from old to today. They were just like Proton in their early days! One of their Keicars was considered a death-trap! Old Hondas were rustbuckets! It took them more than 20 years to get to where they are today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who often complain about Proton this and Proton that, I recommend reading The Honda Myth about Honda. You&#8217;ll see the progression of Honda from old to today. They were just like Proton in their early days! One of their Keicars was considered a death-trap! Old Hondas were rustbuckets! It took them more than 20 years to get to where they are today!</p>
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		<title>By: fastcx</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228939</link>
		<dc:creator>fastcx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agrees with chap on the gov contractors...most of them arent bumi...i can definitely say im not malay :P im really disappointed at chinese  in malaysia, if u guys still thinks v r suprior? go out n look at our youngsters...u call that future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agrees with chap on the gov contractors&#8230;most of them arent bumi&#8230;i can definitely say im not malay <img src='http://paultan.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  im really disappointed at chinese  in malaysia, if u guys still thinks v r suprior? go out n look at our youngsters&#8230;u call that future?</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228938</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228822&quot;]there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again....

Bodohland...just want to ask u a simple question....what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?....investor can come and go...the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period....Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country....That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis...not like our neighbour....

and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult...i warn you...i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi....dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net...because it show how ignorant you are....[/quote]


I second that...In SG non majority will act like the poet says&quot;If you&#039;re in tiger den then behave like a tiger&quot;.That&#039;s why even we&#039;re in 2nd or third class we still survive and still earn a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228822"]there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again&#8230;.</p>
<p>Bodohland&#8230;just want to ask u a simple question&#8230;.what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?&#8230;.investor can come and go&#8230;the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period&#8230;.Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country&#8230;.That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis&#8230;not like our neighbour&#8230;.</p>
<p>and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult&#8230;i warn you&#8230;i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi&#8230;.dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net&#8230;because it show how ignorant you are&#8230;.[/quote]</p>
<p>I second that&#8230;In SG non majority will act like the poet says&#8221;If you&#8217;re in tiger den then behave like a tiger&#8221;.That&#8217;s why even we&#8217;re in 2nd or third class we still survive and still earn a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: ryu</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228923</link>
		<dc:creator>ryu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most simple logic is..
1) proton providing more jobs to the workers than a H/T hub? It provide more suppliers to use low quality product to earn much of course, but the real workers who can benefit? or isnt that the aim of an industry?
2) isnt the G says they want to help to public? the policy is not helping the public at all, but benefits a group of ppl.
3) Proton is a very good initiative of a national product, but shld be on the expenses of tax payer money nor consumer rights. After 20years, if managed by the aim of target to give the public a robust car with competitive price, we wont even have this argument. We need to look forward, not backward but imposing unfair policies to the consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most simple logic is..<br />
1) proton providing more jobs to the workers than a H/T hub? It provide more suppliers to use low quality product to earn much of course, but the real workers who can benefit? or isnt that the aim of an industry?<br />
2) isnt the G says they want to help to public? the policy is not helping the public at all, but benefits a group of ppl.<br />
3) Proton is a very good initiative of a national product, but shld be on the expenses of tax payer money nor consumer rights. After 20years, if managed by the aim of target to give the public a robust car with competitive price, we wont even have this argument. We need to look forward, not backward but imposing unfair policies to the consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: msi</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228898</link>
		<dc:creator>msi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for long term benefit...i support G to protect proton. we need our own car industry. not just making for others company. but our OWN company. n for diesel engine, i support proton if they decide to learn/transfer tech rather than just buy it. Buy diesel engine or follow thai footstep may benefit our country for certain period. Y take thai as example? y dont we take japan?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for long term benefit&#8230;i support G to protect proton. we need our own car industry. not just making for others company. but our OWN company. n for diesel engine, i support proton if they decide to learn/transfer tech rather than just buy it. Buy diesel engine or follow thai footstep may benefit our country for certain period. Y take thai as example? y dont we take japan?.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228854</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Singapore Renault turbodiesel commercial vehicles are very popular thus the parts are getting less expensive.Renault engine is more reliable with asian climate due to collaboration with Nissan.Fist thing first the govt need to reduce the diesel tax imposed on private cars then we can talk more on the diesel cars.Turbodiesel is very reliable,Fuel efficient and more affordable than petrol ones.I dun mind if there&#039;s plan for Saga 1.5 turbodiesel or Perdana 2.2TDI.The acceleration is much more quicker w/o compromising much on your FC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Singapore Renault turbodiesel commercial vehicles are very popular thus the parts are getting less expensive.Renault engine is more reliable with asian climate due to collaboration with Nissan.Fist thing first the govt need to reduce the diesel tax imposed on private cars then we can talk more on the diesel cars.Turbodiesel is very reliable,Fuel efficient and more affordable than petrol ones.I dun mind if there&#8217;s plan for Saga 1.5 turbodiesel or Perdana 2.2TDI.The acceleration is much more quicker w/o compromising much on your FC.</p>
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		<title>By: dcwhz83</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcwhz83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 07:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228822&quot;]there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again....

Bodohland...just want to ask u a simple question....what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?....investor can come and go...the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period....Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country....That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis...not like our neighbour....

and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult...i warn you...i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi....dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net...because it show how ignorant you are....[/quote]

i almost certianly think littlefire is commenting about the way AP is being distributed... we all know the NAP is limiting the movement of goods like what bodohland has said... but APs being given away to certain people within the society is not right... who has the right to determine who gets the AP? why not us? why not open tender? who wants to import cars, they buy the AP directly from govt... why not? u got RM2 mil cash and wanna buy a lamborghini, RM1mil for lamborghini and RM1 mil for AP... thats a profit of RM1 mil for our govt, and I am sure these ppl can afford the RM2mil... or u can buy APs in bulk if u wanna be a dealer... it creates business opportunities for business-minded ppl...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228822"]there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again&#8230;.</p>
<p>Bodohland&#8230;just want to ask u a simple question&#8230;.what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?&#8230;.investor can come and go&#8230;the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period&#8230;.Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country&#8230;.That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis&#8230;not like our neighbour&#8230;.</p>
<p>and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult&#8230;i warn you&#8230;i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi&#8230;.dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net&#8230;because it show how ignorant you are&#8230;.[/quote]</p>
<p>i almost certianly think littlefire is commenting about the way AP is being distributed&#8230; we all know the NAP is limiting the movement of goods like what bodohland has said&#8230; but APs being given away to certain people within the society is not right&#8230; who has the right to determine who gets the AP? why not us? why not open tender? who wants to import cars, they buy the AP directly from govt&#8230; why not? u got RM2 mil cash and wanna buy a lamborghini, RM1mil for lamborghini and RM1 mil for AP&#8230; thats a profit of RM1 mil for our govt, and I am sure these ppl can afford the RM2mil&#8230; or u can buy APs in bulk if u wanna be a dealer&#8230; it creates business opportunities for business-minded ppl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RT</title>
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		<dc:creator>RT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 06:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bodohland said:
1. Thai Open Policy earn the G = 490 Million in foreign income from export
2. Malaysia NAP earn the G = 2 Million in foreign income from export

But the Malaysian G got billions in income from imports... (import taxes, duty, and roadtax)
assuming 500k vehicle sold in Malaysia yearly, if 1/3 CKD or fully imported, we got 150k. if in average each car got tax of 10k, we got RM1.5 billion of taxes... 
It is not &quot;foreign income&quot;, but most of the money stays in the country. -- means less deficit.
 
Who is smarter?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bodohland said:<br />
1. Thai Open Policy earn the G = 490 Million in foreign income from export<br />
2. Malaysia NAP earn the G = 2 Million in foreign income from export</p>
<p>But the Malaysian G got billions in income from imports&#8230; (import taxes, duty, and roadtax)<br />
assuming 500k vehicle sold in Malaysia yearly, if 1/3 CKD or fully imported, we got 150k. if in average each car got tax of 10k, we got RM1.5 billion of taxes&#8230;<br />
It is not &#8220;foreign income&#8221;, but most of the money stays in the country. &#8212; means less deficit.</p>
<p>Who is smarter?.</p>
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		<title>By: chap_de_x</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228822</link>
		<dc:creator>chap_de_x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again....

Bodohland...just want to ask u a simple question....what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?....investor can come and go...the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period....Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country....That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis...not like our neighbour....

and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult...i warn you...i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi....dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net...because it show how ignorant you are....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there goes again Nap, crony,racist crap again&#8230;.</p>
<p>Bodohland&#8230;just want to ask u a simple question&#8230;.what happen if all T,H,or what soever leave thailand when their business case not feasible anymore due to higher operation cost, labour n so on?&#8230;.investor can come and go&#8230;the main important thing is to sustain the economy for long term period&#8230;.Japan is full with small medium company that wholly owned by the japanese. that why their economy is stable, and money not easily flown out of the country&#8230;.That why our country is late to get affected to receive impact on economy downturn on two economic crisis&#8230;not like our neighbour&#8230;.</p>
<p>and to you littlefire please stop your racist insult&#8230;i warn you&#8230;i just wondering why u are so confident saying bumi is granted all the business related to government and GLC because i am in that business where by  i can see that almost 60% of the vendor is non bumi&#8230;.dont talk like you know everything because you read it on the net&#8230;because it show how ignorant you are&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bmpower</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228820</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just throw away diesel engine or just buy from renault, you don&#039;t have to develope one.
 
Keep advancing Electric Vehicle. 
It&#039;s the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throw away diesel engine or just buy from renault, you don&#8217;t have to develope one.</p>
<p>Keep advancing Electric Vehicle.<br />
It&#8217;s the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Littlefire</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228791</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, although bodohland seems to post this in the wrong section. But i agree it... 

I already long seen the effects of NAP which chase away a lot of foreign companies from investing in our country. The only thing that the certain &quot;Bumi&quot; are happy coz their pocket is full of money due to AP and croni of some dealership. The G dont care about country economics, if the G are good in math and economics, we are sure more better compare to Singapore or even Brunei... But still until today we are still losing to both of them and Thailand &amp; Indonesia is climbing up to catch our butt... Time to wake up Malaysian!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, although bodohland seems to post this in the wrong section. But i agree it&#8230; </p>
<p>I already long seen the effects of NAP which chase away a lot of foreign companies from investing in our country. The only thing that the certain &#8220;Bumi&#8221; are happy coz their pocket is full of money due to AP and croni of some dealership. The G dont care about country economics, if the G are good in math and economics, we are sure more better compare to Singapore or even Brunei&#8230; But still until today we are still losing to both of them and Thailand &amp; Indonesia is climbing up to catch our butt&#8230; Time to wake up Malaysian!</p>
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		<title>By: Bodohland</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228784</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arise,
I am neither blind basher nor freaking protonian.
I read with great interest your argument on the state of our auto industry, especially related to Proton.
1. NAP is design not to give competitive advantage (i.e. extensive R &amp; D incentive, attract FDI in auto sector, etc), but protective exclusive policy by manipulate the pricing of the car, e.g. imposed high tax on imported car. This policy does not see the trees in the forest but one deadwood!

2. Imposing AP - It is a policy to restrict certain movement of goods and services by set quota on it. AP is design to restrict the nos. of car to be imported, thus create superficial shortage and lead to &quot;over demand&quot;, thus drive the price up. This lead to either the buyer can&#039;t afford it, or get other brand. Since AP given out free, thus creating AP Kings/Queens and creating instant maggie mee billionaire.

3. From Protonomic perspective, the above main policies enable them to survive not because of high quality and competitively price product. But absolute tech and relatively low in safety. To argue this with Protonian, it is like argue until cow come home. They always come out with congratulatory statements like &quot;good job&quot;, &quot;well done&quot;, create job, outflow of monies if purchase import mades, &quot;small player can&#039;t compare with T or H&quot;, etc. everytime new models come out! 
What the hack, the naked truth is if we compare to Thailand&#039;s Rayong, ours Tg Malim auto hub is just peanut. Take the following e.g.
1. Thai export more than 1 million cars, and the domestic volume is similar to us. 
Say the average one car is 50K x 1 Million = 50 Billion turnover.
Say profit is 5% = 2.5 Billion
Japs and Conti FDI tax contribute to Thai G @ 28% = 700 Million - &quot;BIG FISH AND PRAWN.
For domestic, say 300K car supposed is local made compare to Malaysia, therefore loss due to no local product = 300K x 50K x 5% = 750 Million turnover. Tax contribute to G 750 Million x 28% = 210 Million
Net Gain for Open Policy vis-a-vis NAP = 700 M - 210 M = 490 Million
2. Malaysia P1 &amp; P2 export around 50K car per annum. 
Say 50K x 50K = 250 Million
Say profits (that consider lucky) is 10% = 25 Million,
Tax contribute to Malaysian G @ 28% = 2 Million - PEANUT
The naked reality are:
1. Thai Open Policy earn the G = 490 Million in foreign income from export
2. Malaysia NAP earn the G = 2 Million in foreign income from export
3. This does not include domestic benefits like more job opportunity created in Thai for making more car. Our NAP is total failure in term of earning foreign income and benefit the rakyat in term of good quality and affordable price car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arise,<br />
I am neither blind basher nor freaking protonian.<br />
I read with great interest your argument on the state of our auto industry, especially related to Proton.<br />
1. NAP is design not to give competitive advantage (i.e. extensive R &amp; D incentive, attract FDI in auto sector, etc), but protective exclusive policy by manipulate the pricing of the car, e.g. imposed high tax on imported car. This policy does not see the trees in the forest but one deadwood!</p>
<p>2. Imposing AP &#8211; It is a policy to restrict certain movement of goods and services by set quota on it. AP is design to restrict the nos. of car to be imported, thus create superficial shortage and lead to &#8220;over demand&#8221;, thus drive the price up. This lead to either the buyer can&#8217;t afford it, or get other brand. Since AP given out free, thus creating AP Kings/Queens and creating instant maggie mee billionaire.</p>
<p>3. From Protonomic perspective, the above main policies enable them to survive not because of high quality and competitively price product. But absolute tech and relatively low in safety. To argue this with Protonian, it is like argue until cow come home. They always come out with congratulatory statements like &#8220;good job&#8221;, &#8220;well done&#8221;, create job, outflow of monies if purchase import mades, &#8220;small player can&#8217;t compare with T or H&#8221;, etc. everytime new models come out!<br />
What the hack, the naked truth is if we compare to Thailand&#8217;s Rayong, ours Tg Malim auto hub is just peanut. Take the following e.g.<br />
1. Thai export more than 1 million cars, and the domestic volume is similar to us.<br />
Say the average one car is 50K x 1 Million = 50 Billion turnover.<br />
Say profit is 5% = 2.5 Billion<br />
Japs and Conti FDI tax contribute to Thai G @ 28% = 700 Million &#8211; &#8220;BIG FISH AND PRAWN.<br />
For domestic, say 300K car supposed is local made compare to Malaysia, therefore loss due to no local product = 300K x 50K x 5% = 750 Million turnover. Tax contribute to G 750 Million x 28% = 210 Million<br />
Net Gain for Open Policy vis-a-vis NAP = 700 M &#8211; 210 M = 490 Million<br />
2. Malaysia P1 &amp; P2 export around 50K car per annum.<br />
Say 50K x 50K = 250 Million<br />
Say profits (that consider lucky) is 10% = 25 Million,<br />
Tax contribute to Malaysian G @ 28% = 2 Million &#8211; PEANUT<br />
The naked reality are:<br />
1. Thai Open Policy earn the G = 490 Million in foreign income from export<br />
2. Malaysia NAP earn the G = 2 Million in foreign income from export<br />
3. This does not include domestic benefits like more job opportunity created in Thai for making more car. Our NAP is total failure in term of earning foreign income and benefit the rakyat in term of good quality and affordable price car.</p>
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		<title>By: tunomura</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228761</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice topic here...Proton is Asian car maker continental-oriented..so better for them to JV with Renault...

Guys, I heard next week launched EXORA have problem regarding its drive shaft.. I don&#039;t know what exactly problem since I curi2 dengar from Proton&#039;s engineer...Sifu any comments??????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice topic here&#8230;Proton is Asian car maker continental-oriented..so better for them to JV with Renault&#8230;</p>
<p>Guys, I heard next week launched EXORA have problem regarding its drive shaft.. I don&#8217;t know what exactly problem since I curi2 dengar from Proton&#8217;s engineer&#8230;Sifu any comments??????</p>
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		<title>By: chaos</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228745</link>
		<dc:creator>chaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, no need 2 b excited...our diesel quality sucks and we don&#039;t have the infrastructure.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, no need 2 b excited&#8230;our diesel quality sucks and we don&#8217;t have the infrastructure&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: bolo</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228723</link>
		<dc:creator>bolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renault&#039;s mechanical is a bit suspect, but their structural engineering is top notch, the crash worthiness of their cars are consistently among the best. Proton should get body structural engineering tech transfer from Renault</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renault&#8217;s mechanical is a bit suspect, but their structural engineering is top notch, the crash worthiness of their cars are consistently among the best. Proton should get body structural engineering tech transfer from Renault</p>
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		<title>By: oldwira</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228712</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Previously it was about a fully electric car, now its about diesel engine. All the best.</description>
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		<title>By: csv</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228711</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good decision, but whether it will be fruitful or not depends on time.

the nissan renault alliance is pretty sweet btw, both ways benefitting from each other. wonder when will proton become like this with volkswagen. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good decision, but whether it will be fruitful or not depends on time.</p>
<p>the nissan renault alliance is pretty sweet btw, both ways benefitting from each other. wonder when will proton become like this with volkswagen. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: sadin</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228706</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;228685&quot;]what wrong with cronyism....if same one is good to do job why not but if do bad job that the problem..i do the same thing i prefer him/her that i know n do a good job than other that i do not know whether him/her is better or not..this cronyism rite.do i m wrong here? opposition do the gov also do, my friend do n i thing u do also so who&#039;s wrong here? or the person who accuse? or none wrong?

sorry out off topic..my 0.0000001cent[/quote]
u still don&#039;t get it aa? The problem is when the so called cronies produce sub standard products and create problems for masses. People won&#039;t give a damn about which company produce the power window, but if itgive problems on and on, people cannot tahan anymore la</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="228685"]what wrong with cronyism&#8230;.if same one is good to do job why not but if do bad job that the problem..i do the same thing i prefer him/her that i know n do a good job than other that i do not know whether him/her is better or not..this cronyism rite.do i m wrong here? opposition do the gov also do, my friend do n i thing u do also so who&#8217;s wrong here? or the person who accuse? or none wrong?</p>
<p>sorry out off topic..my 0.0000001cent[/quote]<br />
u still don&#8217;t get it aa? The problem is when the so called cronies produce sub standard products and create problems for masses. People won&#8217;t give a damn about which company produce the power window, but if itgive problems on and on, people cannot tahan anymore la</p>
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		<title>By: lambov12</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228702</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hope those equipment in the car wont fall off after 1 year ..</description>
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		<title>By: xsagax</title>
		<link>http://paultan.org/2009/04/10/proton-in-preliminary-talks-with-renault/#comment-228685</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what wrong with cronyism....if same one is good to do job why not but if do bad job that the problem..i do the same thing i prefer him/her that i know n do a good job than other that i do not know whether him/her is better or not..this cronyism rite.do i m wrong here? opposition do the gov also do, my friend do n i thing u do also so who&#039;s wrong here? or the person who accuse? or none wrong?

sorry out off topic..my 0.0000001cent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what wrong with cronyism&#8230;.if same one is good to do job why not but if do bad job that the problem..i do the same thing i prefer him/her that i know n do a good job than other that i do not know whether him/her is better or not..this cronyism rite.do i m wrong here? opposition do the gov also do, my friend do n i thing u do also so who&#8217;s wrong here? or the person who accuse? or none wrong?</p>
<p>sorry out off topic..my 0.0000001cent</p>
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		<title>By: haro</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>future savvy sedan?

ex proton employee told me that campro engine REALLY eaten up their cash reserve..

way to go!!</description>
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<p>ex proton employee told me that campro engine REALLY eaten up their cash reserve..</p>
<p>way to go!!</p>
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