Comments on: Fiat-Chrysler now interested in GM Europe http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 27 May 2012 07:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Reasonably Insane http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236459 Reasonably Insane Thu, 07 May 2009 11:11:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236459 [quote comment="236344"]Cam tak pro engines in P2? LOL, P2 won't gain anything from merging with P1, all they'll get is a worst image... atleast their myvi's are doing well now.. can't see a cam tak pro myvi selling better than what they sell now, infact might be even worst... P1 might gain by cutting the competition and thus end up producing even worst quality cars.. competition is good... they need to know they're cars are shit, and the only reason ppl buy them is that they have no choice, (as the goverement policy to save P1 by making other cars more expensive...)[/quote] probably it's the other way around... what proton can gain from perodua?? bumper engineering technique (done that) rebadging technique (pass that)... else??? if perodua to merge with proton.. toyota will pull out for sure... if they did.. then there's nuthing left at perodua... proton on the other hand have everything than perodua need to become an actual car makers... from RND to high tech assembly lines.... [quote comment="236344"]Cam tak pro engines in P2? LOL, P2 won't gain anything from merging with P1, all they'll get is a worst image… atleast their myvi's are doing well now.. can't see a cam tak pro myvi selling better than what they sell now, infact might be even worst… P1 might gain by cutting the competition and thus end up producing even worst quality cars.. competition is good… they need to know they're cars are shit, and the only reason ppl buy them is that they have no choice, (as the goverement policy to save P1 by making other cars more expensive…)[/quote]

probably it's the other way around… what proton can gain from perodua?? bumper engineering technique (done that) rebadging technique (pass that)… else??? if perodua to merge with proton.. toyota will pull out for sure… if they did.. then there's nuthing left at perodua… proton on the other hand have everything than perodua need to become an actual car makers… from RND to high tech assembly lines….

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]]> By: NA http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236454 NA Thu, 07 May 2009 11:01:21 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236454 One point to add for Mr Johan's doubt, every merger will see slash on work force, less expenditure and share resources. Not entirely about sustaining jobs, rather a rational way to maintain a healthier company for long term. Proton is unlikely going up for sales at this moment, if it does, it would be under VW by now. Neither does Perodua willing to merge unless the management is from Perodua. Technical point aside, Proton's Tanjung Malim plant itself is capable of produce the combine output for Proton and Perodua sales. Will the new CEO keeping 3 manufacturing plants even after merger? Or it may turn out just like Fiat in progress of closing more plants in Europe. Btw, Mr Johan is too rude to have conclude with that sentence isn't he? How is the moderation work over here? One point to add for Mr Johan's doubt, every merger will see slash on work force, less expenditure and share resources. Not entirely about sustaining jobs, rather a rational way to maintain a healthier company for long term. Proton is unlikely going up for sales at this moment, if it does, it would be under VW by now. Neither does Perodua willing to merge unless the management is from Perodua.

Technical point aside, Proton's Tanjung Malim plant itself is capable of produce the combine output for Proton and Perodua sales. Will the new CEO keeping 3 manufacturing plants even after merger? Or it may turn out just like Fiat in progress of closing more plants in Europe.

Btw, Mr Johan is too rude to have conclude with that sentence isn't he? How is the moderation work over here?

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]]> By: Luqman http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236408 Luqman Thu, 07 May 2009 07:05:09 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236408 [quote comment="236287"]what car is that in the 2nd picture? it looks like the previous generation Nissan Murano for the U.S. market but the logo looks like a Proton logo? anyone know? thx.[/quote] It's a Lancia: <a href="http://www.lancia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lancia.com</a> The logo in fact look like the Proton logo.. [quote comment="236287"]what car is that in the 2nd picture? it looks like the previous generation Nissan Murano for the U.S. market but the logo looks like a Proton logo? anyone know? thx.[/quote]

It's a Lancia: http://www.lancia.com

The logo in fact look like the Proton logo..

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]]> By: vezeroth http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236344 vezeroth Thu, 07 May 2009 01:02:58 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236344 Cam tak pro engines in P2? LOL, P2 won't gain anything from merging with P1, all they'll get is a worst image... atleast their myvi's are doing well now.. can't see a cam tak pro myvi selling better than what they sell now, infact might be even worst... P1 might gain by cutting the competition and thus end up producing even worst quality cars.. competition is good... they need to know they're cars are shit, and the only reason ppl buy them is that they have no choice, (as the goverement policy to save P1 by making other cars more expensive...) Cam tak pro engines in P2? LOL, P2 won't gain anything from merging with P1, all they'll get is a worst image… atleast their myvi's are doing well now.. can't see a cam tak pro myvi selling better than what they sell now, infact might be even worst… P1 might gain by cutting the competition and thus end up producing even worst quality cars.. competition is good… they need to know they're cars are shit, and the only reason ppl buy them is that they have no choice, (as the goverement policy to save P1 by making other cars more expensive…)

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]]> By: lucasp http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236287 lucasp Wed, 06 May 2009 21:01:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236287 what car is that in the 2nd picture? it looks like the previous generation Nissan Murano for the U.S. market but the logo looks like a Proton logo? anyone know? thx. what car is that in the 2nd picture? it looks like the previous generation Nissan Murano for the U.S. market but the logo looks like a Proton logo? anyone know? thx.

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]]> By: mystvearn http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236280 mystvearn Wed, 06 May 2009 20:37:34 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236280 Can merge, but is Fiat really that rich to afford all those brands? I know they sell Ferrari's not sure if that can help though Can merge, but is Fiat really that rich to afford all those brands? I know they sell Ferrari's not sure if that can help though

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]]> By: Zool http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236251 Zool Wed, 06 May 2009 18:20:35 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236251 Lotus use Toyota engines for US market and K Series engines for UK market. Not sure which engine we get. Lotus use Toyota engines for US market and K Series engines for UK market. Not sure which engine we get.

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]]> By: Luqman http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236230 Luqman Wed, 06 May 2009 17:08:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236230 [quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. [/quote] Not true. The WRC was entirely made by Toyota Motorsport GmbH in Germany. They're now building Formula 1 racing cars btw. (scroll down): <a href="http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota/rd/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota/rd/index....</a> [quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. [/quote]

Not true. The WRC was entirely made by Toyota Motorsport GmbH in Germany. They're now building Formula 1 racing cars btw. (scroll down): http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/about_toyota/rd/index….

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]]> By: wakukukiki http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236228 wakukukiki Wed, 06 May 2009 16:50:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236228 If the merger can do good to the workers and general public en masse, I certainly welcome it. I hope the merger will create more jobs, NOT eliminating them. This is what important and critical at this juncture. If the merger can do good to the workers and general public en masse, I certainly welcome it. I hope the merger will create more jobs, NOT eliminating them. This is what important and critical at this juncture.

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]]> By: nabil http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236212 nabil Wed, 06 May 2009 15:12:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236212 take politics and political interests out of it , and p1 p2 merger could work , in market conditions like now , consolidations are key , jus like how the local banks bought each otherout few years back , having one big player is alot more efficient than having two small players , if done corectly and on purely business logic , both p1 n p2 can keep their identity intacts , perfect example is the PSA group , their cars all looks diferent , bt underneath , thers alot of sharing . . ......it can work and should work , bt as i said , as long as theres even 0.5% politics in it , thn it wont go through.... Fiat story is abit strange though , because few years ago , Fiat got alot of bailout money from the Government to stay afloat , how come now sudenly now on a buying spree ?? and their product lineup is really not much , take the Fiat 500 out , others all not selling in big numbers at all , maybe Chrysler can make use of Fiats small fuel efficient engines , bt in US car sales is so bad across all brands , big or small engine cars , whos gonna buy ?? too many factors anyway , jus my milo ice worth of opinion ! take politics and political interests out of it , and p1 p2 merger could work , in market conditions like now , consolidations are key , jus like how the local banks bought each otherout few years back , having one big player is alot more efficient than having two small players , if done corectly and on purely business logic , both p1 n p2 can keep their identity intacts , perfect example is the PSA group , their cars all looks diferent , bt underneath , thers alot of sharing . . ……it can work and should work , bt as i said , as long as theres even 0.5% politics in it , thn it wont go through….

Fiat story is abit strange though , because few years ago , Fiat got alot of bailout money from the Government to stay afloat , how come now sudenly now on a buying spree ?? and their product lineup is really not much , take the Fiat 500 out , others all not selling in big numbers at all , maybe Chrysler can make use of Fiats small fuel efficient engines , bt in US car sales is so bad across all brands , big or small engine cars , whos gonna buy ??

too many factors anyway , jus my milo ice worth of opinion !

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]]> By: tansri http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236207 tansri Wed, 06 May 2009 14:36:51 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236207 paul, why dont you write something on the +/- on p1 and p2 merge.. very interesting to study the possibilities, the consequences even though we already now p2 ceo syed hafiz is not in favor to do that.. with big players merging with each others, sure p1 will be far2 away from the new definition of economic scale crated by those bigger giants.. paul, why dont you write something on the +/- on p1 and p2 merge..

very interesting to study the possibilities, the consequences even though we already now p2 ceo syed hafiz is not in favor to do that..

with big players merging with each others, sure p1 will be far2 away from the new definition of economic scale crated by those bigger giants..

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]]> By: scottloeb http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236203 scottloeb Wed, 06 May 2009 14:02:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236203 [quote comment="236192"][quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares).[/quote] since when that toyota ever own lotus??? lotus get paid by toyota to tune their cars does not mean toyota own lotus.... get ur fact right...[/quote] Its not the whole Lotus Cars, but they have substantial amount of shares together with GM that resultant in the great handling cars of Supra and MR2. Also that explains the close relation that made the Toyota engines made possible in Lotus cars. [quote comment="236192"][quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares).[/quote]

since when that toyota ever own lotus??? lotus get paid by toyota to tune their cars does not mean toyota own lotus…. get ur fact right…[/quote]

Its not the whole Lotus Cars, but they have substantial amount of shares together with GM that resultant in the great handling cars of Supra and MR2. Also that explains the close relation that made the Toyota engines made possible in Lotus cars.

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]]> By: Reasonably Insane http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236192 Reasonably Insane Wed, 06 May 2009 13:00:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236192 [quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares).[/quote] since when that toyota ever own lotus??? lotus get paid by toyota to tune their cars does not mean toyota own lotus.... get ur fact right... [quote comment="236151"]Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares).[/quote]

since when that toyota ever own lotus??? lotus get paid by toyota to tune their cars does not mean toyota own lotus…. get ur fact right…

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]]> By: PTAllTheBest http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236184 PTAllTheBest Wed, 06 May 2009 12:33:38 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236184 i disagree with proton and perodua merger... a big no no to toyota but i do welcome VW... i disagree with proton and perodua merger… a big no no to toyota

but i do welcome VW…

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]]> By: Johan http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236171 Johan Wed, 06 May 2009 11:42:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236171 lets put national pride aside and talk about globalization, let not go into the syndrome of able to take a person out of the kampung but fail to take the kampung out of the person. its business, and what DSZ is talking dollar and cents. lets not brush off TMC for being keen in proton, they are losing 70 over billion, if merging P2 and P1 can give then a couple of hundred million more, it looks good on the balance sheet, then there is market trend, brand image and stakeholders confidence, during down time, if you are able to do a publicity stunt like fiat/crysler, it give the shares a big boost and reposition its global brand image. its not about viva vs savvy, not myvi vs saga or exora vs p2 mpv, its about hundred thousand of jobs in shah alam and kulim, its about hundreds of dealers and thousands of saleman, its about insurance guy, the finance guy, the service centre technician, its about the sticker supplier for safety notice at the car door, its about the car manual printer or the ad agency... so again, let not jump into things and thinking TMC is taking national pride lah, big boys take over, the colonization of big business conglomerates, its none of these but instead DSZ is trying very hard to keep the jobs of his staff in this trying time (same goes to the chairman of TMC while drumming his finger to buy of not to buy P1) while listening to all the brainless mongrels barking senselessly. lets put national pride aside and talk about globalization, let not go into the syndrome of able to take a person out of the kampung but fail to take the kampung out of the person. its business, and what DSZ is talking dollar and cents. lets not brush off TMC for being keen in proton, they are losing 70 over billion, if merging P2 and P1 can give then a couple of hundred million more, it looks good on the balance sheet, then there is market trend, brand image and stakeholders confidence, during down time, if you are able to do a publicity stunt like fiat/crysler, it give the shares a big boost and reposition its global brand image.

its not about viva vs savvy, not myvi vs saga or exora vs p2 mpv, its about hundred thousand of jobs in shah alam and kulim, its about hundreds of dealers and thousands of saleman, its about insurance guy, the finance guy, the service centre technician, its about the sticker supplier for safety notice at the car door, its about the car manual printer or the ad agency… so again, let not jump into things and thinking TMC is taking national pride lah, big boys take over, the colonization of big business conglomerates, its none of these but instead DSZ is trying very hard to keep the jobs of his staff in this trying time (same goes to the chairman of TMC while drumming his finger to buy of not to buy P1) while listening to all the brainless mongrels barking senselessly.

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]]> By: BB http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236157 BB Wed, 06 May 2009 09:50:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236157 Proton & Perodua merge into one is good idea as we no need so many national car companies in the limited market. the main resistance is from government (not rakyat), as we hv seen the vw/proton deal blow off last yr. in short... it is just POLITIC. Proton & Perodua merge into one is good idea as we no need so many national car companies in the limited market. the main resistance is from government (not rakyat), as we hv seen the vw/proton deal blow off last yr. in short… it is just POLITIC.

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]]> By: NA http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236155 NA Wed, 06 May 2009 09:40:00 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236155 ya great… later on they can take GM too… and Alfa can build an Alfa Hummer H5 to compete with all those weird looking premium crossover. It will be like dictator take over your property, Perodua is doing fine, why they should merge with Proton? They can take more sales from Proton why limit them self? What a lame excuse of getting rid of competition. Synergy would be a better proposition to Perodua. If both Proton/Perodua really did merge, you can expect to pay so much more for Japanese/Continental cars and higher price for national cars. Yet the public transport still not come in time. ya great… later on they can take GM too… and Alfa can build an Alfa Hummer H5 to compete with all those weird looking premium crossover.

It will be like dictator take over your property, Perodua is doing fine, why they should merge with Proton? They can take more sales from Proton why limit them self? What a lame excuse of getting rid of competition. Synergy would be a better proposition to Perodua.

If both Proton/Perodua really did merge, you can expect to pay so much more for Japanese/Continental cars and higher price for national cars. Yet the public transport still not come in time.

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]]> By: KerelBort http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236154 KerelBort Wed, 06 May 2009 09:39:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236154 Perodua - Proton merging or platform sharing? Merging would mean disaster to Proton, the toyota cheap gene will absorb into Proton as it has done to Subaru lately... Toyota will only expand its scale of production of its own technology and ignoring the Subaru's.... Say no to Perodua-Proton merging... if that would mean Toyota will scrap the whole idea of Proton and replace it with its third world platform and model.. no technology, only name and 'reliability' and we all will be left in the dark... I don want another myvi or vios looking car on the street.. it sickening... really... Fiat has been advancing in term of quality since the new panda... hard to believe? it is true.. vauxhall has the means machine, while fiat has the sensible. while crysler has the name and luxury... this would complete the whole model fleet... the would market vauxhall as the maniac, fiat as the family and crysler as the luxury.. that would work well i guess.. Perodua – Proton merging or platform sharing?

Merging would mean disaster to Proton, the toyota cheap gene will absorb into Proton as it has done to Subaru lately… Toyota will only expand its scale of production of its own technology and ignoring the Subaru's…. Say no to Perodua-Proton merging… if that would mean Toyota will scrap the whole idea of Proton and replace it with its third world platform and model.. no technology, only name and 'reliability' and we all will be left in the dark…

I don want another myvi or vios looking car on the street.. it sickening… really…

Fiat has been advancing in term of quality since the new panda… hard to believe? it is true.. vauxhall has the means machine, while fiat has the sensible. while crysler has the name and luxury… this would complete the whole model fleet…

the would market vauxhall as the maniac, fiat as the family and crysler as the luxury.. that would work well i guess..

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]]> By: scottloeb http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236151 scottloeb Wed, 06 May 2009 09:35:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236151 Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares). Toyota already own Lotus in the late 80's/early 90's. The WRC Celica is tuned by Lotus. And no, the merger is not gonna happen, they dont need Proton R&D as Toyota Technical Centre for AP is at Thailand and Australia. And their plant at Thailand is way bigger than Proton, biggest outside Japan (with cycle of 1.5 min per engine) and already complement by Indonesia's TMMIN Innova powertrain & press shop. And Philippines have the transmission plant for ASEAN. They dont need us. We are not cost effective & we dont have enough market size for that (plus our pop is 28 mil, nothing to shout about). Keep dreaming as VAG or MMC is your best bet. P2/PMSB is a lost cause to fight for. Its officially an arm of TMC now. Sooner or later, Proton will be absorbed. At what price and which co is the question, but for the time being, to enter negotiation Proton have the good value and Khazanah should get good returns (maybe Proton/Khazanah in turn might buy some MMC shares).

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]]> By: littlefire http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236150 littlefire Wed, 06 May 2009 09:32:40 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236150 Lotus already using Toyota engine.. So even Toyota get free lotus also not so surprice, as in Japan a lot of tuners also tune Lotus. Somemore Toyota is a big company which can produce a lot of money... With a lot of money come better R&D n development... Look at VW group, a lot of the companies under it flourish after a few years taken by them.. Take example Skoda. Now it is famous in Europe... Lotus already using Toyota engine.. So even Toyota get free lotus also not so surprice, as in Japan a lot of tuners also tune Lotus. Somemore Toyota is a big company which can produce a lot of money… With a lot of money come better R&D n development…

Look at VW group, a lot of the companies under it flourish after a few years taken by them.. Take example Skoda. Now it is famous in Europe…

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]]> By: Slum In Bolehland http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236137 Slum In Bolehland Wed, 06 May 2009 08:20:56 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236137 Wait A minute if Proton merge with Perodua then toyota will get free lotus... Wow what a joy for toyota no need to buy lotus but can get free from merge... Wait A minute if Proton merge with Perodua then toyota will get free lotus…

Wow what a joy for toyota no need to buy lotus but can get free from merge…

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]]> By: Anti Stupidity http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236128 Anti Stupidity Wed, 06 May 2009 07:38:59 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236128 Initially I thought the idea of merging Proton&Perodua together is weird. But with a little more thorough thinking about it, somehow I find that it makes sense. Perodua can utilize Proton R&D departments, and Proton can achieve the needed sales volume to get the benefit of economy of scale. And the platform sharing strategy can be deployed in between them as well. And also parts sharing between the two. All these cost saving measures should be able to benefit local car industry. Just that as Paul said the Toyota holdings in Perodua would be the biggest obstacle in realizing the idea. And I don't think Toyota will quit without taking their own car design out from Perodua. Also it seems like the government don't want Proton to get hold by foreign companies too. Which is evident from the last Volkswagen&Proton talk. Khazanah eat up those shares in Perodua? But how about those Toyota cars in Perodua's product line?? Ahh its complicated. LOL. Just my little opinion on that. Initially I thought the idea of merging Proton&Perodua together is weird.

But with a little more thorough thinking about it,

somehow I find that it makes sense.

Perodua can utilize Proton R&D departments,

and Proton can achieve the needed sales volume to get the benefit of economy of scale.

And the platform sharing strategy can be deployed in between them as well.

And also parts sharing between the two.

All these cost saving measures should be able to benefit local car industry.

Just that as Paul said the Toyota holdings in Perodua would be the biggest obstacle in realizing the idea.

And I don't think Toyota will quit without taking their own car design out from Perodua.

Also it seems like the government don't want Proton to get hold by foreign companies too. Which is evident from the last Volkswagen&Proton talk.

Khazanah eat up those shares in Perodua?

But how about those Toyota cars in Perodua's product line??

Ahh its complicated. LOL. Just my little opinion on that.

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]]> By: Luqman http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236122 Luqman Wed, 06 May 2009 06:56:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236122 Fiat, Chrysler and Opel / Vauxhall ? All this brands are not well known for build quality and reliability... BTW: Fiat's CEO Marchionne announced today, that after a possible merger 10 factories will be closed in Europe, inkluding Vauxhall in Luton und Ellesmere Port (England), GM/Opel in Antwerp (Belgium), Fiat Pomigliano and Termini Imerese (Italy) and the whole engine / powertrain production in Germany... Fiat, Chrysler and Opel / Vauxhall ?

All this brands are not well known for build quality and reliability…

BTW: Fiat's CEO Marchionne announced today, that after a possible merger 10 factories will be closed in Europe, inkluding Vauxhall in Luton und Ellesmere Port (England), GM/Opel in Antwerp (Belgium), Fiat Pomigliano and Termini Imerese (Italy) and the whole engine / powertrain production in Germany…

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]]> By: csv http://paultan.org/2009/05/06/fiat-chrysler-now-interested-in-gm-europe/#comment-236092 csv Wed, 06 May 2009 01:06:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=14854#comment-236092 exactly, it is extremely hard to diversify into other brands without knowing the cost and benefit of it. there's also integration and stuff like that. both related and unrelated diversification has pros and cons and will no doubt take alot of time and money to complete. but if it does work, we can expect Fiat-Chrysler to be as big as VW. although i wont risk putting my money into any big companies with the current situation yet. exactly, it is extremely hard to diversify into other brands without knowing the cost and benefit of it. there's also integration and stuff like that.

both related and unrelated diversification has pros and cons and will no doubt take alot of time and money to complete.

but if it does work, we can expect Fiat-Chrysler to be as big as VW.

although i wont risk putting my money into any big companies with the current situation yet.

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