too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

Dont readla. Better for the nation. I Even the gov admits that cross fertilisation is needed to bring ideas in from the private sector[/quote]

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Bro.. read my comment properly la..i said,

some comments here very annoying…some ppl just google n then tunjuk pndai here wit info that they have… tunjuk mcm dah terlebih 'khatam' buku economy, buku sejarah, buku automotive… pls la..

admit… comment tu bia la ber informative n membina..

not simply bashing, kutuk… yg betul, ok fine.. but not all ppl here telling the truth… got it?

thanx for reading my commentss[/quote]

what makes u think ur the truth gauge? How would u know if the're speaking out of experience? Truth is you dun even have an opinion. Ur like one of those perodua Kancil 660 drivers. You dump all ur lives savings and earnings to buy the most affordable brand new car so that u at least have fur tyres to use our highways. Then u complaint about toll, petrol blablabla. But u dun realise that ur a nuisance on the road just like u r on this blog. The reason ppl trash talk sometimes is bcos they have been subdued for so long. Once theyre satisfied venting feelings constructive ideas will blossom. But we should never ever deprive ppl of avenues to vent feelings, including blog. Off with bigots like you…[/quote]

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wahh!!

i'm so impressed with your comment…looks like u r the one who only deserve to gives comment in this blog?good..thanx for insulting others or precisely me…very appreciate that…

well who cares…again..thanx for reading my comments…my lousy comment?

dats what u mean? thanx

u simply label me as annoying poor guy who only can afford kancil n talks so much in this blog? weyy… read back whats perotiga comment..why r u simply bashed me?nak tunjuk pandai la kan..even u r rich, afford to buy H,T,M,VW or watsoever, doesn't mean org lain bodoh n miskin..

takder org nak amik tau ko tu kaya byk mana pn…arrogant!

pls learn how to respect others…

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

Dont readla. Better for the nation. I Even the gov admits that cross fertilisation is needed to bring ideas in from the private sector[/quote]

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Bro.. read my comment properly la..i said,

some comments here very annoying…some ppl just google n then tunjuk pndai here wit info that they have… tunjuk mcm dah terlebih 'khatam' buku economy, buku sejarah, buku automotive… pls la..

admit… comment tu bia la ber informative n membina..

not simply bashing, kutuk… yg betul, ok fine.. but not all ppl here telling the truth… got it?

thanx for reading my commentss[/quote]

what makes u think ur the truth gauge? How would u know if the're speaking out of experience? Truth is you dun even have an opinion. Ur like one of those perodua Kancil 660 drivers. You dump all ur lives savings and earnings to buy the most affordable brand new car so that u at least have fur tyres to use our highways. Then u complaint about toll, petrol blablabla. But u dun realise that ur a nuisance on the road just like u r on this blog. The reason ppl trash talk sometimes is bcos they have been subdued for so long. Once theyre satisfied venting feelings constructive ideas will blossom. But we should never ever deprive ppl of avenues to vent feelings, including blog. Off with bigots like you…

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

Dont readla. Better for the nation. I Even the gov admits that cross fertilisation is needed to bring ideas in from the private sector[/quote]

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Bro.. read my comment properly la..i said,

some comments here very annoying…some ppl just google n then tunjuk pndai here wit info that they have… tunjuk mcm dah terlebih 'khatam' buku economy, buku sejarah, buku automotive… pls la..

admit… comment tu bia la ber informative n membina..

not simply bashing, kutuk… yg betul, ok fine.. but not all ppl here telling the truth… got it?

thanx for reading my commentss

VW's toughest task is to get customers out of their Innovas, Avanzas and all other unsafe & uncomfortable MPV-wannabes here and try their Touran out. With powerful marketing and price incentives, it may succeed in breaking the typical mindset here. Who knows, perhaps they can thrive like they did in China.

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

i am regretted, i hope i could recovery my wrong… that all came out with my very private emotion and act like a selfish with brainless… seriously.

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

Dont readla. Better for the nation. I Even the gov admits that cross fertilisation is needed to bring ideas in from the private sector

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…[/quote]

no need lor… already know what he's going to do… sell proton to some foreign company and walk away with bunch of undertable money…

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.[/quote]

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bro…whats your problem…??

this blog become so boring with this kind of ppl… tunjuk pandai..

so much of comment from ppl like you…become not i interested anymore to read this blog…because of all your comments…seriously i mean it…doesn't shows any knowledge sharing from each of your comments…

go and work in proton..become CEO n we all wanna c how Proton would be under your brilliant leadership…

too bad, proton only want to live along with the ketuanan proton.

1: just to use proton in order to get market volume for their cars… without much benefit for proton… in the end proton will turn back to become rebage company

2. takeover that offers fair deal.. benefits both companies… prosper proton and it's foreign partner…

if u refering to VW deal with proton… i believe it will fall into type 1

So what should we do? Very simple allow foreign takeover. Hasnt Mini thrived under BMW? Mini are still built in very British Oxford by Brits. And how abt Rolls? The car used by HRH Queen E isnt even British owned but it is British made. This is the path Proton should take. Im not going to elaborate anymore as I believe this is a sound suggestion. Anyone who has preconceived notions, feel free to use the Internet, google all you want abt running bussiness and how foreign takeover has turned the fortunes of so many companies to realise its virtues.

Honda freed is a rival to Toyota sette (upcoming perodua MPV) in Japan market.. and honda freed outruns toyota sette interm of sales and popularity

U ar lucky such mpv will be entering indonesia market.. but in Malaysia ,, becoz of our gorv want to protect and give business to so called "malaysian 2nd national car" perodua… they will assemble this mpv instead of under Toyota brand (assembled in Thai or Indonesia)..

Honda freed definenetly will be direct rival to upcoming MPV perodua and if this honda freed enter malaysia market.. perodua mpv will be suffer[/quote]

i don't think so honda freed is a rival to p2 D46T with under protected from G in malaysia, how much import tax for this little MPV you know? 50% or 100%? and the local car only 10%. for example myvi beat jazz easily.[/quote]

As i said earlier.. if gorv open the market..and w/out protection from gorv.. the 1st company that will be die is P2..not P1..

who wanna buy P2 rebadge/downgraded version if ppl can buy the car under T and H brand[/quote]

so cut down the sticking p2 with father mother and open up the market, let freed directly fight with sette in malaysia.[/quote]

if that happens, 101% ppl will never buy proton. dont mention p2 already lol

Honda freed is a rival to Toyota sette (upcoming perodua MPV) in Japan market.. and honda freed outruns toyota sette interm of sales and popularity

U ar lucky such mpv will be entering indonesia market.. but in Malaysia ,, becoz of our gorv want to protect and give business to so called "malaysian 2nd national car" perodua… they will assemble this mpv instead of under Toyota brand (assembled in Thai or Indonesia)..

Honda freed definenetly will be direct rival to upcoming MPV perodua and if this honda freed enter malaysia market.. perodua mpv will be suffer[/quote]

i don't think so honda freed is a rival to p2 D46T with under protected from G in malaysia, how much import tax for this little MPV you know? 50% or 100%? and the local car only 10%. for example myvi beat jazz easily.[/quote]

As i said earlier.. if gorv open the market..and w/out protection from gorv.. the 1st company that will be die is P2..not P1..

who wanna buy P2 rebadge/downgraded version if ppl can buy the car under T and H brand[/quote]

so cut down the sticking p2 with father mother and open up the market, let freed directly fight with sette in malaysia.

Why not, Toyota also does the same thing with their Avanza.

Honda freed is a rival to Toyota sette (upcoming perodua MPV) in Japan market.. and honda freed outruns toyota sette interm of sales and popularity

U ar lucky such mpv will be entering indonesia market.. but in Malaysia ,, becoz of our gorv want to protect and give business to so called "malaysian 2nd national car" perodua… they will assemble this mpv instead of under Toyota brand (assembled in Thai or Indonesia)..

Honda freed definenetly will be direct rival to upcoming MPV perodua and if this honda freed enter malaysia market.. perodua mpv will be suffer[/quote]

i don't think so honda freed is a rival to p2 D46T with under protected from G in malaysia, how much import tax for this little MPV you know? 50% or 100%? and the local car only 10%. for example myvi beat jazz easily.[/quote]

As i said earlier.. if gorv open the market..and w/out protection from gorv.. the 1st company that will be die is P2..not P1..

who wanna buy P2 rebadge/downgraded version if ppl can buy the car under T and H brand

no need rebadge.. just ask Honda Thai or Indonesia to assemble freed for ASEAN version.. like toyota indonesia produce toyota AVANZA dan export to Malaysia.. the price is still same as Avanza produced by UMW/perodua..

Proton and Perodua also have to compete in unfair interet rate, for many years rate are more 1% higher then non national car, why they never see this is protection form. I strongly belive p1 n p2 will dominate not lees 80% if they allowed to fair play.

and benefited Malaysian more.

you know what?

1 – So then.. Indonesian got jobs.

2 – So less of illegal Indon entering malaysia.

3 – So less problem to our country that's already flooding by Indons.

See?[/quote]

What kinda nutshell thinking is this?

Nutshell=Lack critical thinking and have narrow thinking in their small nutshell and yet they think they are thinking and handling problems like an adult. I don’t know exactly what makes them having this false perception but I think it is the lacking of critical thinking, experience and limited exposure in the real world of survivor. They are restrained only to academic and their activities circles are also bounded by non-sense laws.[/quote]

he's giving his comments… do not let us think that u are the nutshell..[/quote]

a frog living in the well=the egg in the well hatched the tadpole swims around the well and grows slowly into a frog but it can't jump out from the well. then the frog sires the next generation after generation in the well. all these frogs will ever know is in the well and that is there only view of the universe.

1.5E M/T rp204.400.000rp = rm68.9838

1.5G M/T rp217.400.000rp = rm73.3712

1.5G A/T rp230.200.000rp = rm77.6911

http://www.toyota.co.id/cars/price/?Model=Vios http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter#from=…

I second bmpower on the FDI. Malaysia now is becoming as investor country and this is how we could in way become developed country, not depending on forgein investment. And let all Indonesian working in their homeland is much better as what commented by bmpower.

and benefited Malaysian more.

you know what?

1 – So then.. Indonesian got jobs.

2 – So less of illegal Indon entering malaysia.

3 – So less problem to our country that's already flooding by Indons.

See?[/quote]

What kinda nutshell thinking is this?

Nutshell=Lack critical thinking and have narrow thinking in their small nutshell and yet they think they are thinking and handling problems like an adult. I don’t know exactly what makes them having this false perception but I think it is the lacking of critical thinking, experience and limited exposure in the real world of survivor. They are restrained only to academic and their activities circles are also bounded by non-sense laws.[/quote]

he's giving his comments… do not let us think that u are the nutshell..

http://www.toyota.co.id/cars/price/?Model=Vios
http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-converter#from=IDR;to=MYR;amt=1/quote

Yup those are the OTR prices for the Vios however it doesn’t sell that well as a private car. Toyota got large sales of the Vios because they have marketed the Taxi version of the Vios which is around Rp 140 million OTR = RM 47.633 with the main bulk being purchased by the Blue Bird Group of around 2.000 units. In the price range of small sedans only the Proton Persona is sold under Rp 200 million ( Persona H-Line A/T Rp 158. million)
and the Proton Saga is sold here for Rp 115 million for M/T M-LIne and Rp 125 million for A/T M-Line and sales of Proton is rising due to cheap price alternative.

The big 10 in Indonesia is still dominated by MPV’s which are:
1. Toyota Avanza 6200 units
2. Daihatsu Xenia
2. Toyota Kijang Innova
4. Daihatsu Gran Max
5. Honda Jazz
6. Suzuki APV Arena
7. Daihatsu Luxio
8. Nissan Grand Livina
9. Daihatsu Terios
10. Toyota Rush.

So it wouldn’t be any surprise that VW considers Indonesia as its main MPV market. From what I have heared is that the assembly plant is considering making the VW Gol of the Brazilian market available for ASEAN as a cheap option

Of course there's the issue of green tech. Proton is miles away and does not even have a proper road map. The Detroit Auto deal will most likely tank. Proton's current crop of cars are merely on the cusp of basic technology( ie. CO2 emissions, activepassive safety, percieved quality). This means that the techology is going to become outdated in the less time than the product life cycle. It would have been so much better is Volks invested here, apart from the creation of jobs, usage of facilities and technology transfer, we could have simply had better cars for the ringgit. Is it P1, P2 bashing? No. Just common sense from someone who believes in once bitten twice shy…[/quote]

I did not why u have this idea… but it seems to be a thrash in the making.. Volks would not transfer technology to this region…by the way, the touran that being manufactured is not the latest technology or the latest generation.. i just wondered how they are going to sell in Japan… well i know japanase are tech savvy and love high end latest products… they must be laughing at these tourans and will say it a big "bagiro".. by the way, have u watched the BBC program that Geely China intend to use the robots instead of humans because they can't produce enough cars to compete and the Japan did not want to use China as a production platform because they are well aware and fear of cut, copy and paste or so called reverse engineering that are rampant in the chinese car manufacturers and they will certainly know that they will lose out in these games…. so for proton to be forefront, it must use its brains and to have originality to produce car even though it starts from basic… because an original work is better and far more superior than a cut and copy paste work….

Proton is protected? Proton is going head to head with P2 which is a TOYOTA subsidiary on level playing field. Pitting Proton against the biggest car company in the world isn't exactly babying it is it?

Lies some more – if only we open up our market give foreign car companies the same incentives as Proton then we'll be another Detroit of the east? Bullsh@t…We have done exactly that (Japanese owned Perodua) and how many cars have they exported?[/quote]

p1 owned lotus, only p2 still babying with father mother, don't be afraid to open up our market.

myvi has exported to Indonesia and badged as the daihatsu sirion, shame.