you got that right.

but as for P2, and larger cars.. i know for certain its got nothing to do with P1. strategy comes from japan. they decide the model lineup for P2. technically, for every perodua sold, its a sale for them. so it would be in their own best interests, not to compete with their own larger engined cars.

We close our market and block FDI into the car industry?

What about Toyota/Daihatsu owned Perodua? That’s a pretty big FDI. How much has it benefitted the nation? How much taxes did they pay? How much have they exported? Are we a production hub for any models? Are Perodua giving value for money to consumers?
Did giving Toyota/Daihatsu a national car status (via P2) turn Malaysia into a mini detroit of the east? Keep dreaming…

The P2 story is the reason why the Govt insists on Proton being locally owned.

Is Proton protected when it has to go head to head with Toyota/Daihatsu owned P2 on a level playing field?[/quote]

Do you really think P2 goes head to head with Proton…on a “level playing field”? We can only guess about the unpublished gentlemen agreements between them. What? P2 has difficulty coming out with larger rebadged Toyota cars? No 1.6L engines in the Daihatsu stables? P2 doen’t have the ability to produce a 1.6L sedan?

I agree with you, P2 is pretty big FDI. Same with Naza. Why stop there?

Why not invite all the big players?

Why limit companies that only build for the local market? Why not open the market to those with larger markets that have the possibility of exports?

Look, companies that want to invest will take all into consideration. A restrictive NAP is not the only reason why they don’t want to invest. A dropping level of cheap/skilled labour in comparison with other neighbours, and bumi requirements (or those that we don’t hear about) will really factor into why FDI is not coming in.

The country itself is loosing FDI, not only in the automotive sector. Something is endemicaly wrong with how the country is run.

if Exora enters the Indonesian market, i cant see how it will lose to the Touran except for engine power… Typical of asian roads which could be very harsh, Exora would provide better comfort for the whole family… and at a cheaper price tag too… In msia, Exora is priced same as a CKD swift… but in Europe, a Touran is 2-3 times more expensive than the Swift… and thats a big difference in pricing level…[/quote]

In Germany, the price of a Swift Sport 1600 is Euro 17700: http://www.suzuki-auto.de/auto/live/modelle/swift/sport/preise.html

A Touran starts at Euro 18700: http://www.buddeautomobile.de/vw/vw_touran.html

So the price of a Touran is 2-3 times more expensive than the Swift ?

We close our market and block FDI into the car industry?

What about Toyota/Daihatsu owned Perodua? That’s a pretty big FDI. How much has it benefitted the nation? How much taxes did they pay? How much have they exported? Are we a production hub for any models? Are Perodua giving value for money to consumers?
Did giving Toyota/Daihatsu a national car status (via P2) turn Malaysia into a mini detroit of the east? Keep dreaming…

The P2 story is the reason why the Govt insists on Proton being locally owned.

Is Proton protected when it has to go head to head with Toyota/Daihatsu owned P2 on a level playing field?

what harm has been done pete?[/quote]

Wow, you really want to go through all that again? Still not clear what harm it has caused us? National Car Industry = NAP, whether you like it or not.

If there is no local industry to protect, then you wont need any protective measures would you?

1) closed door policy limits FDI
2) artificial anti-competive measures such as biased tax structures and “special requirements” (….AP anyone?)
3) biased profit sharing and other “special rights”

Sometimes, these idots don’t see that it doen’t need to be a local brand to be called local. I would rather a non-local brand, built here and exported (is, as a regional manufacturing hub), than one that is local, built here but have only limited prospects anywhere else.

If Honda/Toyota/Nissan/VW started to build all thier ASEAN cars in Malaysia and exporting them to the rest of Asia, the NET benefit would be WAAAY more than what out locals can achieve.

Malaysia was a prime candidate for all good things good in the region. Somehow we end up shooting ourselves in the name of National PRIDE.

Soon we will have to compare ourselves to Zimbabwe or something to make us feel good about ourselves.

ok…. if there is no proton…. how come government want to generate money from as the oil is running out…. just waiting for foreign investment ??…. ridiculous…. you better get to know even better in economic prospect…. any time the country can be in excruciating situation…

but still … the money is still flowing inside the country…. eventhough its Proton… 20 years maa…. give time la…..

so much complain… better u set up ur own country…..

there is must be a purpose why Mahathir established Proton…

no body want to establish company just to generate losing money all the time… thus harm the country’s economy margin…

typical Malaysia…… Malaysia cannot go far if there is still Malaysian with this kind of Mentality….[/quote]

Hi kari,
Obviously you are not familiar with the economics of comparative advantage. Malaysia simply hasn’t got the comparative advantage when it comes to manufacturing cars, given our small population, read, small market unless of course we are catering for the export market too (our national car ind definitely ain’t not!), amongst many other factors.
Certainly every Malaysian worth his salt knows for a fact the big M had his reasons for establishing proton but i’m not sure the proton of today is exactly what he had in mind then… Anyway in case you don’t know, many Thais refer to him as the father of the Thai auto industry. You know, investments, just like VW which would have come our way and not Thailand or now Indonesia if not for the state of our auto industry.
My point is not just that. Worse than that. We end up paying so much more for a car that would have cost so much less to build. This is all old story anyway but since you asked like you never knew…. nothing to do with mentality or what not.
Cheers

ok…. if there is no proton…. how come government want to generate money from as the oil is running out…. just waiting for foreign investment ??…. ridiculous…. you better get to know even better in economic prospect…. any time the country can be in excruciating situation…

but still … the money is still flowing inside the country…. eventhough its Proton… 20 years maa…. give time la…..

so much complain… better u set up ur own country…..

there is must be a purpose why Mahathir established Proton…

no body want to establish company just to generate losing money all the time… thus harm the country’s economy margin…

typical Malaysia…… Malaysia cannot go far if there is still Malaysian with this kind of Mentality….[/quote]
Malaysia are always Malaysia, always thinking them self. Hey… please grown up. Be open minded, don’t think narrow. Our Mantan thinking out of the box but Malaysian always sit under “Tempurung”. How our economy can grow if we always losing our money out of country ?. Please generate our mind to think out of the box.

if Exora enters the Indonesian market, i cant see how it will lose to the Touran except for engine power… Typical of asian roads which could be very harsh, Exora would provide better comfort for the whole family… and at a cheaper price tag too… In msia, Exora is priced same as a CKD swift… but in Europe, a Touran is 2-3 times more expensive than the Swift… and thats a big difference in pricing level…

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Mahal tu just for 1.4 liter MPV…even though with extra bhp and Nm torque!!!

ok…. if there is no proton…. how come government want to generate money from as the oil is running out…. just waiting for foreign investment ??…. ridiculous…. you better get to know even better in economic prospect…. any time the country can be in excruciating situation…

but still … the money is still flowing inside the country…. eventhough its Proton… 20 years maa…. give time la…..

so much complain… better u set up ur own country…..

there is must be a purpose why Mahathir established Proton…

no body want to establish company just to generate losing money all the time… thus harm the country’s economy margin…

typical Malaysia…… Malaysia cannot go far if there is still Malaysian with this kind of Mentality….

what harm has been done pete?

The space is enormous compared with the back seat of Porsche 911. Ha! Ha!

Anyway, that space is for kids below 12, not YOU.