proton dealerships have closed down in most places. switching to more profitable ones like mazda or some korean ones. as for the cost, sometimes its better off just to wait a while to save up more money for a better car. since the cars dont differ much in price (at least in the 15k-23k aud crowd).

from what i can see, proton has no chance at all to compete against hyundai and even more so when thier i20 comes. even now they are desperate and offering 5 year full warranty and 3 years free service for every proton. i cant help but think who is actually paying for it.

people who think proton has a chance are deluded.

Then in Q4 2010, Exora and Saga with Campro FE Turbo.[/quote]

Campro FE Turbo!!! wow!! theking, mind sharing with us what "FE" stands for?

And I assume they are 1.3 and 1.6 displacements right? 1.3 Turbo for the Saga and 1.6 Turbo for the Exora, I presume? But why not for the Persona?

Haha.. sorry.. so many questions.

Fuc*ing expensive!……..LOL[/quote]

o_O

hahaha

Fuc*ing expensive!……..LOL

Then in Q4 2010, Exora and Saga with Campro FE Turbo.

wat car do u own n drive?hehehe…

haha… long time no comments like this from JULIAN_LEE…

Currently, the small sedan segment (<2.0L) is the fastest growing automotive segment in Australia. Sure, the falcons and commodores are nice cars, but heck, they are the size of a BMW 7-series and use 4.0 or 6.0L engines…and drink petrol like water.

Do not believe the prices on websites: A mid range Jazz or Yaris (Vios) with four doors will cost about $22,000 AUD including insurance and delivery charges. A mid range corolla or civic costs about $30k OTR. The ~AUD15000 cars from major japanese companies are 3 door manual versions and do not include delivery/registration/plates/insurance.

Proton's real competition is going to be the koreans and the chinese companies that are going to come in next year.

Currently, their pricing IS actually competitive(!) even though they are slightly more expensive in australia than malaysia (hard to believe eh…) … but they arent quite as competitive as the Korean makes.

Proton _really_ needs to expand it's dealer network in Australia first: There are only 3 dealers in Victoria (the state Melbourne is in) last time I checked (when i was car shopping)… Even then, I've seen a savvy or two around =)

Nope, bought a new Fiesta at 14k with all on road cost, Savvy was 14k without on road cost.[/quote]

Any link to back u up?[/quote]

no i dont have any link to back up, i went car hunting and that's what i got. If you don't like it, it's too bad, but that's what i got and i like what i got for that money.

and one more thing websites dont mean anything, go to a showroom and the price wont be the same as websites. maybe you need to travel more.[/quote]

I've only been to Australia twice just for a short trip. Now I'm working in Japan..

Nope, bought a new Fiesta at 14k with all on road cost, Savvy was 14k without on road cost.[/quote]

Any link to back u up?[/quote]

no i dont have any link to back up, i went car hunting and that's what i got. If you don't like it, it's too bad, but that's what i got and i like what i got for that money.

and one more thing websites dont mean anything, go to a showroom and the price wont be the same as websites. maybe you need to travel more.

saga a 1.6 iafm patrol, should be very punchy, (its 1.6 iafm actually powered the persona),

and if this saga is properly revised transmission for long distant journey especially in australia, (economy and tall cruising gear), it gives some value, economy wise, this saga is a great car.

if they don't try and enter the market then u'll said they scared of playing on lvl playing field…. duh…[/quote]

but proton in australia does come with advanced safety features (and other nifty features, which i don't think is available in the m'sian market). eg. the gen.2 in aus even has dual side airbags and 10 disc cd changer and cruise control. so it does make it quite an attractive bargain here. besides, i've read the local aussie magazines here and they gave proton cars fairly good reviews (save for some concern on quality of past models). but otherwise to be honest, the gen.2 and satria neo look way more sporty than competition of similar price. only problem is, i feel not enough aggressive marketing is done here to get ppl's attention.[/quote]

whoops forgot the links:
http://www.proton.com.au/#/gen2/accessories/ http://www.proton.com.au/media/pdf/3419_Proton_Ne…

if they don't try and enter the market then u'll said they scared of playing on lvl playing field…. duh…[/quote]

but proton in australia does come with advanced safety features (and other nifty features, which i don't think is available in the m'sian market). eg. the gen.2 in aus even has dual side airbags and 10 disc cd changer and cruise control. so it does make it quite an attractive bargain here. besides, i've read the local aussie magazines here and they gave proton cars fairly good reviews (save for some concern on quality of past models). but otherwise to be honest, the gen.2 and satria neo look way more sporty than competition of similar price. only problem is, i feel not enough aggressive marketing is done here to get ppl's attention.

if they don't try and enter the market then u'll said they scared of playing on lvl playing field…. duh…[/quote]

proton should adopt Nash equilibrium strategy

Even though Proton is unknown brand in Australia they still managed to sell it 25,000 units. Off course they can't compete with Korean and Japanese brand but for Ausies Proton also is an imported brand not like malaysian consider it as local product.

In malaysian mind set anything local product=not good and any imported product=very good ???

Nope, bought a new Fiesta at 14k with all on road cost, Savvy was 14k without on road cost.[/quote]

Any link to back u up?

Sorry Proton, until you can produce something that makes you internationally

competitive, you customers will remain only those ignorant and ill informed in the Aussie market. Keep trying. Hopefully one day the Proton will be a new Hyundai Excel.[/quote]

very well said. if i was ripped off in my home country (forced to buy P1/P2) i wasn't going to travel 2000 miles and get ripped off again

that's the price of the new Fiesta (Verve concept) 6th gen, the fiesta i was referring to is the 5th gen and was priced at 14k with a 1.6 engine. my apologies[/quote]

So u r actually comparing a used-2007 Ford fiesta which is cost A$14,500 with a brand new Savvy A$14,000?

I think that's not fair. Thanks, I'm still wondering.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-car/FORD/FIESTA/Q…

Nope, bought a new Fiesta at 14k with all on road cost, Savvy was 14k without on road cost.

Sorry Proton, until you can produce something that makes you internationally competitive, you customers will remain only those ignorant and ill informed in the Aussie market. Keep trying. Hopefully one day the Proton will be a new Hyundai Excel.

Tidak gentar, tidak pernah ku jiwaku terketar,

Apa jua yang merintang ku pasti jua bertahan,

Dan teguh kedepan, mengibarkan sayap impian bergemerlapan

menuju pergi ke hala persana nan tinggi.

listen here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc8q8-itIDE

Thats why i'm very proud with proton.

Because a proton doesn't cost A$30k?

Actually people, 1.6 Saga wouldn't hurt the sales of other models… IF Proton is also releasing CamPRO 2.0. Big if.

that's the price of the new Fiesta (Verve concept) 6th gen, the fiesta i was referring to is the 5th gen and was priced at 14k with a 1.6 engine. my apologies[/quote]

So u r actually comparing a used-2007 Ford fiesta which is cost A$14,500 with a brand new Savvy A$14,000?

I think that's not fair. Thanks, I'm still wondering.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/used-car/FORD/FIESTA/Q…

Saga in general is a success, congrats Proton! Perhaps a little bit more of quality monitoring and minor design change (like at the fog light) would push the sale and brand further. Maybe its just me or really the rear absober of the new Saga is too soft, that when only 2 adults sit at the back, the rear looks terribly pressed down.

Hopefully when Saga enters Australia, it has been made to suit the country, and have gone a complete testing.