Comments on: Proton posts RM338 million FY2008/2009 loss! http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/ Paul Tan on the Automotive Industry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:48:38 +0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Budak IRB said http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-247310 Budak IRB said Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:35:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-247310 I hope Malaysian think better than iraqi people..At LEAST we able to produce the car...U all think Japan better on quality .that is wrong...quality not from Japan but attitude of people...whenJapan company assembling the car in Malaysia their made our people like cowww...u know cow (Lembu la) the company put chain on our nose...like shit!!!!That why their got quality...but Malaysian company like proton just give freedom to Malaysian workerrr to do their abilty and limit...(jst lazy people make proton quality drop not all) I think my friend here betters apply job with proton n then u change the ttotalll problem...just wrote comment my grandma also can la condemn2 habuk pun tarak!!!! Quality on JAPAN products such Honda n Toyota caused their take our talent.....to do business strategies.. And Conclusion here...Malaysian people in this forum who condemn Proton is the stupid people n the most bloody hell for our country ....Their said I paid tax so much... the bloody hell..man!!!! I work with IRB the most tax payer is Petronas not individual person.....U just paid so little tax to feed chicken man...the petronas money is our belove country right...that ok to help Protonnnn..... help is ok ma..at least proton able to feed their workersss who are Malaysian just pay tax a few Ringgit not enough to build even ur toilet.....!!!!!!LIFE PROTON FOREVER......!!!!! Malaysia mentality::::: Even illegal immigrant Malaysian say so quality ... so U pikir la sendiri!!!! how about proton which local company....????/ the will condemn until die I hope Malaysian think better than iraqi people..At LEAST we able to produce
the car…U all think Japan better on quality .that is wrong…quality not from
Japan but attitude of people…whenJapan company assembling the car in Malaysia their made our people like cowww…u know cow (Lembu la) the company put chain on our nose…like shit!!!!That why their got quality…but Malaysian company like proton just give freedom to Malaysian workerrr to do their abilty and limit…(jst lazy people make proton quality drop not all)
I think my friend here betters apply job with proton n then u change the ttotalll problem…just wrote comment my grandma also can la condemn2 habuk pun tarak!!!!
Quality on JAPAN products such Honda n Toyota caused their take our talent…..to do business strategies..
And Conclusion here…Malaysian people in this forum who condemn Proton is the stupid people n the most bloody hell for our country ….Their said I paid tax so much… the bloody hell..man!!!! I work with IRB the most tax payer is Petronas not individual person…..U just paid so little tax to feed chicken man…the petronas money is our belove country right…that ok to help Protonnnn…..
help is ok ma..at least proton able to feed their workersss who are Malaysian
just pay tax a few Ringgit not enough to build even ur toilet…..!!!!!!LIFE PROTON FOREVER……!!!!!
Malaysia mentality:::::
Even illegal immigrant Malaysian say so quality … so U pikir la sendiri!!!!
how about proton which local company….????/ the will condemn until die

]]> By: Fair&square http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-244846 Fair&square Tue, 16 Jun 2009 01:56:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-244846 If any of Proton management staff or Chairman here, please read on: First of all, nothing is fair in this world. In the world of commercial world, fairness is not justified. When Intel and Microsoft dominate computing industry, fairness is not justified. Same applied for automotive industry. When Toyota eventually dominates world automotive market share, tell me you accept any selling price posted by them. Thus, when Malaysia initially commenced the Proton project, the government has implemented the notorious automative car policy to groom the national car project. The intention was commercially justifiable. However, after years of sales success, the once brand name every Malaysian proud of has become a financial burden. The tragic of never ending fuzz of all these Proton bashers and supporters began when Malaysian realize that monopoly leads to deteriorating in quality of a basic and decent power window, which also leads to many other indurable components and parts of Proton cars. This unavoidably forced Malaysian to link the poor supply chain to many conspiracy theories, which includes the famous, politics. Proton does not have any competive advantage over its rivals, other than the protective national car policy. Liberalising the said policy would kill Proton instantly without question, even so it could be done in stages. I wonder what is the timeline given to Proton for the liberalisation. Secondly, by industry standard, Proton fails anyway in any possible ways of making car. The lack of innovative as well as research and development, has since day one destined Proton's fate of today. I am not talking about new car models (if that's what you think it's called new model when the engine is in fact Mitsubishi obsolete technology sold to us for handsome royalty), I am talking about innovative and R&D in terms of engine making, safety improvement, fuel efficiency improment despite engine improment and so forth. Unfortunately, we come up with Campro engine after 20 over years of so called "intensive research and development", which I am sadly to put all Malaysian to shame. Japan was once known as the famous copycat in its technogies once after world war two but the japanese is never ashamed because they know one day they will conquer the world with their continueous hardship and strive for improvements. And today we have Toyota. There is no easy way out from technology other than research and development, and we are talking about billions of capital investment every year. The investment outlay is for long-term as competitive advantage is built through out decades, not years. When Toyota has years entered into hybrid type engine era, we are still struggling with power window issue. What a big let down. Finally, I always wanted to be a proud Malaysian. But many cicumstances have deterred me to be so. Not many nations could have their owned-brand, at least not for ASEAN countries (Thailand is a manufacturing hub while Korean is not part of ASEAN). And after 24 years since its first model and Proton is telling me that it is able to export 10% of its car. And don't get me wrong, Proton exported models with power steering, ABS and airbags back in the 90s to England when we are wondering what is the big hole in our Saga dashboard for (For your information, it is designed to fit a passenger airbag, just in case you don't know). And for those who own export model, you must agree with me that the car is built more sturdy and with better quality in every possible ways it can as compared with its local variant. It is a true fact I do not criticise blantly and everyone knows about it. Proton has been depriving the benefits gained from its artificial advantages from national car policy and it was hoping to penetrate oversea market by so call "low pricing but same comparatable quality of European car strategy". But it failed miserably and still failing. Why? You must think that the British is an idiot to purchase an obsolete techology despite the attrative cheap selling price (please do not use exchange rate, only politician who does not comprehend economics would uses this stupid excuse to compare our excessive expensive car price with other countries). The world is on constant change and so does automotive technology. We used to think that we are a net oil exporting country and we can enjoy low fuel prices despite we are buying fuel-inefficient car. But by 2010, which has few months to go, Malaysia would become a net oil importing country and with every declining world oil reserve, do you think you can run tap water with your car? My argument is plain and obvious, let those who knows how to make a car to make a car. By wasting our country resources on a guaranteed loss investment, it's pathetic and saddening. If I were the prime minister, I would give a timetable not longer than 10 years to liberalise the national automotive policy. Stop giving craps like loss of thousands of employments and imbalance of natinoal trading deficit (in fact our country finance position is still in deficit) when we imported cars. Why politicians never think of we could export more cars than we import like what Thailand does? Do you know that by applying purchasing power theorem (one dollar earned in Malaysia is same as one dollar earned in any country), we Malaysian are purchasing car at the rate of higher than house! (Very easy, if compare your car loan instalment with your housing loan instalment, which one is higher? Do not give me stupid reason that housing loan instalment is longer than car loan, even in fact it is. This due to house appreciates in value, car does not. So, tell me why on earth we are paying more for something worths nothing, i.e. car, at the end higher than something worths 50% to 150% more, i.e. house, at the end?!) If any of Proton management staff or Chairman here, please read on:
First of all, nothing is fair in this world. In the world of commercial world, fairness is not justified. When Intel and Microsoft dominate computing industry, fairness is not justified. Same applied for automotive industry. When Toyota eventually dominates world automotive market share, tell me you accept any selling price posted by them. Thus, when Malaysia initially commenced the Proton project, the government has implemented the notorious automative car policy to groom the national car project. The intention was commercially justifiable. However, after years of sales success, the once brand name every Malaysian proud of has become a financial burden. The tragic of never ending fuzz of all these Proton bashers and supporters began when Malaysian realize that monopoly leads to deteriorating in quality of a basic and decent power window, which also leads to many other indurable components and parts of Proton cars. This unavoidably forced Malaysian to link the poor supply chain to many conspiracy theories, which includes the famous, politics. Proton does not have any competive advantage over its rivals, other than the protective national car policy. Liberalising the said policy would kill Proton instantly without question, even so it could be done in stages. I wonder what is the timeline given to Proton for the liberalisation.
Secondly, by industry standard, Proton fails anyway in any possible ways of making car. The lack of innovative as well as research and development, has since day one destined Proton’s fate of today. I am not talking about new car models (if that’s what you think it’s called new model when the engine is in fact Mitsubishi obsolete technology sold to us for handsome royalty), I am talking about innovative and R&D in terms of engine making, safety improvement, fuel efficiency improment despite engine improment and so forth. Unfortunately, we come up with Campro engine after 20 over years of so called “intensive research and development”, which I am sadly to put all Malaysian to shame. Japan was once known as the famous copycat in its technogies once after world war two but the japanese is never ashamed because they know one day they will conquer the world with their continueous hardship and strive for improvements. And today we have Toyota. There is no easy way out from technology other than research and development, and we are talking about billions of capital investment every year. The investment outlay is for long-term as competitive advantage is built through out decades, not years. When Toyota has years entered into hybrid type engine era, we are still struggling with power window issue. What a big let down.
Finally, I always wanted to be a proud Malaysian. But many cicumstances have deterred me to be so. Not many nations could have their owned-brand, at least not for ASEAN countries (Thailand is a manufacturing hub while Korean is not part of ASEAN). And after 24 years since its first model and Proton is telling me that it is able to export 10% of its car. And don’t get me wrong, Proton exported models with power steering, ABS and airbags back in the 90s to England when we are wondering what is the big hole in our Saga dashboard for (For your information, it is designed to fit a passenger airbag, just in case you don’t know). And for those who own export model, you must agree with me that the car is built more sturdy and with better quality in every possible ways it can as compared with its local variant. It is a true fact I do not criticise blantly and everyone knows about it. Proton has been depriving the benefits gained from its artificial advantages from national car policy and it was hoping to penetrate oversea market by so call “low pricing but same comparatable quality of European car strategy”. But it failed miserably and still failing. Why? You must think that the British is an idiot to purchase an obsolete techology despite the attrative cheap selling price (please do not use exchange rate, only politician who does not comprehend economics would uses this stupid excuse to compare our excessive expensive car price with other countries). The world is on constant change and so does automotive technology. We used to think that we are a net oil exporting country and we can enjoy low fuel prices despite we are buying fuel-inefficient car. But by 2010, which has few months to go, Malaysia would become a net oil importing country and with every declining world oil reserve, do you think you can run tap water with your car?
My argument is plain and obvious, let those who knows how to make a car to make a car. By wasting our country resources on a guaranteed loss investment, it’s pathetic and saddening. If I were the prime minister, I would give a timetable not longer than 10 years to liberalise the national automotive policy. Stop giving craps like loss of thousands of employments and imbalance of natinoal trading deficit (in fact our country finance position is still in deficit) when we imported cars. Why politicians never think of we could export more cars than we import like what Thailand does? Do you know that by applying purchasing power theorem (one dollar earned in Malaysia is same as one dollar earned in any country), we Malaysian are purchasing car at the rate of higher than house! (Very easy, if compare your car loan instalment with your housing loan instalment, which one is higher? Do not give me stupid reason that housing loan instalment is longer than car loan, even in fact it is. This due to house appreciates in value, car does not. So, tell me why on earth we are paying more for something worths nothing, i.e. car, at the end higher than something worths 50% to 150% more, i.e. house, at the end?!)

]]> By: perotujuh http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-244051 perotujuh Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:53:46 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-244051 Yeah, after 300 years later can develop Proton BMW, but... Nolah wei, I don't have much time to waiting and supporting. Let's boost up 10x $$ to 30 years. Good dear. Yeah, after 300 years later can develop Proton BMW, but…
Nolah wei, I don’t have much time to waiting and supporting.
Let’s boost up 10x $$ to 30 years. Good dear.

]]> By: Proton Supporter http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243838 Proton Supporter Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:40:07 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243838 STOP FIGHTING LA... WE MUST SUPPORT PROTON AND GIVE THEM MORE TIME. maybe they need 100 years to make sure the power window doesn't fail, 120 years to make sure the interior dashboard doesn't vibrate after 2 weeks, 170 years to make sure the boot doesn't collect rain water, 200 years to make sure their 3rd brake lights doesn't burnout after 6 months, you can continue your own listing... so, we must all support proton. give them all our money. maybe by the end of 1 millennium, we can have a proper quality proton that doesn't have any defects. then only we can talk about protons having a r&d dept coming up with their own designs. STOP FIGHTING LA… WE MUST SUPPORT PROTON AND GIVE THEM MORE TIME.

maybe they need 100 years to make sure the power window doesn’t fail,
120 years to make sure the interior dashboard doesn’t vibrate after 2 weeks,
170 years to make sure the boot doesn’t collect rain water,
200 years to make sure their 3rd brake lights doesn’t burnout after 6 months,
you can continue your own listing…

so, we must all support proton. give them all our money. maybe by the end of 1 millennium, we can have a proper quality proton that doesn’t have any defects. then only we can talk about protons having a r&d dept coming up with their own designs.

]]> By: WellSaid http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243723 WellSaid Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:41:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243723 shoruyken & drink_tea well said. but some of people really cant accept the fact proton not able to catch up.. fact is fact remember. doing business nowadays you think is easier ah?? not easy anymore. nowadays doing business more competitive! That y people said as long as stay competitive can last u longer. i know proton is improving but not pace/competitive enough to catch up. is a reality /fact. hehe. shoruyken & drink_tea well said.
but some of people really cant accept the fact proton not able to catch up..
fact is fact remember.
doing business nowadays you think is easier ah??
not easy anymore. nowadays doing business more competitive!
That y people said as long as stay competitive can last u longer.
i know proton is improving but not pace/competitive enough to catch up.
is a reality /fact.
hehe.

]]> By: shoruyken http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243308 shoruyken Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:06:41 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243308 81million R&D that is tax payer's money. After so many years of investment from the Government, is it time to let go and let Proton try to stand by themselves and use the tax payers money somewhere else? It has been 20+ years and I wonder how many revenue did the Governemnt recovered from all this years, and if a business is not making money, why doing it? why dont we just give those jobless people RM500/month instead of wasting money here in this auto business again? With the Auto industry moving to either hybrid or electric car, I think in 5-10 years, Proton can only survived by NAP continue so the rakyat buying expensive, and low-tech car while other part of the world is running petrol hybrid, diesel hybrid or electric car, but we poor malaysian gota drive the expensive petrol car under the "protective industry agreement". It may look faster than anticipate, just remember how tv changed to LCD and camera changed to digital. Those left behind will go out of business, and Proton will be one of those when the industry shift. mark my word. 81million R&D that is tax payer’s money. After so many years of investment from the Government, is it time to let go and let Proton try to stand by themselves and use the tax payers money somewhere else? It has been 20+ years and I wonder how many revenue did the Governemnt recovered from all this years, and if a business is not making money, why doing it? why dont we just give those jobless people RM500/month instead of wasting money here in this auto business again?
With the Auto industry moving to either hybrid or electric car, I think in 5-10 years, Proton can only survived by NAP continue so the rakyat buying expensive, and low-tech car while other part of the world is running petrol hybrid, diesel hybrid or electric car, but we poor malaysian gota drive the expensive petrol car under the “protective industry agreement”.
It may look faster than anticipate, just remember how tv changed to LCD and camera changed to digital. Those left behind will go out of business, and Proton will be one of those when the industry shift. mark my word.

]]> By: peroempat http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243270 peroempat Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:26:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243270 BTW, Proton sold MV Agusta for 1 euro to leave the heavily indebted. Don't bash too much, you know how many taxpayer's money save with this only 1 euro? You do. THX god to existence this 1 euro. BTW, Proton sold MV Agusta for 1 euro to leave the heavily indebted. Don’t bash too much, you know how many taxpayer’s money save with this only 1 euro? You do. THX god to existence this 1 euro.

]]> By: peroempat http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243268 peroempat Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:02:45 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243268 Proton buy MV Agusta for 70 million euros (RM367.6 million) and decided to sell the stake a year later for just 1 euro (RM5). 1 year before = RM 3,676,000,000 1 year after = RM 5 can order 3 roti telur arr. The news http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/26343-pac-to-submit-mv-agusta-sale-report-next-month Don't try too much, learn how to easy forget, life will easy and simple. Proton buy MV Agusta for 70 million euros (RM367.6 million) and decided to sell the stake a year later for just 1 euro (RM5).

1 year before = RM 3,676,000,000
1 year after = RM 5
can order 3 roti telur arr.

The news

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/26343-pac-to-submit-mv-agusta-sale-report-next-month

Don’t try too much, learn how to easy forget, life will easy and simple.

]]> By: peroempat http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243265 peroempat Fri, 05 Jun 2009 17:33:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243265 I think Proton should start developing the lower cost cars like Tata Nano, it would easy sold in Asia and Africa, because the very only competitor is just only Tata, it make sure that easy to survive. I think Proton should start developing the lower cost cars like Tata Nano, it would easy sold in Asia and Africa, because the very only competitor is just only Tata, it make sure that easy to survive.

]]> By: Haha http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243256 Haha Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:45:33 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243256 ini kan forum? tak cakap ulang mana you org ingat? kan org cakap Malaysian senang lupa? ini kan forum? tak cakap ulang mana you org ingat? kan org cakap Malaysian senang lupa?

]]> By: Haha http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243255 Haha Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:44:15 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243255 lu ada paham tak tak pandai jaga jangan lah beli bodoh! rugi duit lagi malu negara! kepala otak proton concentrate buat engine baru lah! campro campro lu ada paham tak tak pandai jaga jangan lah beli bodoh! rugi duit lagi malu negara! kepala otak proton concentrate buat engine baru lah! campro campro

]]> By: Haha http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243254 Haha Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:39:08 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243254 So Proton is pandai than BMW and Harley? how come they buy? baca bawah :P u tell me... Purchase and sale by Proton Heavily indebted, the manufacturer was bought by Malaysian carmaker Proton in December 2004 for 70 million euro. In December 2005 however, Proton decided to cut its ties with MV Agusta and sold it to GEVI SpA, a Genoa-based financing company related to Carige, for a token euro excluding debt. In 2006 that financing company, GEVI SpA, with 65% of the share capital, had refinanced MV Agusta, and by so doing allowed the company to continue, and brought MV Agusta ownership back to Italy. [edit] After The Sale [edit] BMW Buys Husqvarna From MV Agusta In July 2007 MV Agusta Motor S.p.A, sold the Husqvarna motorcycle brand to BMW Motorrad for an undisclosed amount[1]. Accorting to MV Agusta president Claudio Castiglioni, the sale was a strategic step to concentrate all of the company's resources in order to expand MV Agusta and Cagiva presence in the international markets having more financial resources for new models development.[1] [edit] Acquisition by Harley-Davidson Following years of stalled ownership, the Guggenheim's "Art of the Motorcycle" icon, the F4 model, was ready for a refresh but the financial status of the company did not allow it. On July 11, 2008 Harley-Davidson announced they had signed a definitive agreement to acquire the MV Agusta Group for $109M USD (€70M). The purchase has sparked much interest and hope for a new direction for the company. [2][3] The acquisition was completed on August 8. [4 So Proton is pandai than BMW and Harley? how come they buy? baca bawah :P u tell me…

Purchase and sale by Proton

Heavily indebted, the manufacturer was bought by Malaysian carmaker Proton in December 2004 for 70 million euro. In December 2005 however, Proton decided to cut its ties with MV Agusta and sold it to GEVI SpA, a Genoa-based financing company related to Carige, for a token euro excluding debt.

In 2006 that financing company, GEVI SpA, with 65% of the share capital, had refinanced MV Agusta, and by so doing allowed the company to continue, and brought MV Agusta ownership back to Italy.

[edit] After The Sale

[edit] BMW Buys Husqvarna From MV Agusta

In July 2007 MV Agusta Motor S.p.A, sold the Husqvarna motorcycle brand to BMW Motorrad for an undisclosed amount[1]. Accorting to MV Agusta president Claudio Castiglioni, the sale was a strategic step to concentrate all of the company’s resources in order to expand MV Agusta and Cagiva presence in the international markets having more financial resources for new models development.[1]

[edit] Acquisition by Harley-Davidson

Following years of stalled ownership, the Guggenheim’s “Art of the Motorcycle” icon, the F4 model, was ready for a refresh but the financial status of the company did not allow it. On July 11, 2008 Harley-Davidson announced they had signed a definitive agreement to acquire the MV Agusta Group for $109M USD (€70M). The purchase has sparked much interest and hope for a new direction for the company. [2][3] The acquisition was completed on August 8. [4

]]> By: peroempat http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243244 peroempat Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:27:02 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243244 I hear that Proton buy MV Agusta just only 1 ringgit, even roti telur also 1+ ringgit. How much profit Proton got arr to sell this 1 ringgit? And where is the motor right now, goreng roti? I hear that Proton buy MV Agusta just only 1 ringgit, even roti telur also 1+ ringgit. How much profit Proton got arr to sell this 1 ringgit? And where is the motor right now, goreng roti?

]]> By: Rush Lee http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243169 Rush Lee Fri, 05 Jun 2009 00:41:52 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243169 [quote comment="243070"]no need to tell proton what to do lah... sudah pandai.... jual agusta RM1 sahaja.....ahahahahahahahahahahahah.............[/quote] ahahahahahahahaha... r u sure that Proton selling MV Agusta just only RM1? or 1 Euro? ahaks... Proton jual sebab MV Agusta byk hutang.. kalo Proton guna duit byk sgt utk cover hutang tu, nanti korg cakap yg proton pakai duit tax yg ko bayar utk cover hutang tu (byk mana je tax yg ko byr pun).. daripada bayar hutang dan rugi sampai berjuta Euro dimasa hadapan, lebih baik jual 1 Euro dan tak payah tanggung kerugian lagi... ada paham kah? asal cerita pasal proton, mesti ada connect dgn cerita lama.. lepas ni ulang balik pasal tax, koroni, politik, gahmen dan sebagainya... [quote comment="243070"]no need to tell proton what to do lah… sudah pandai…. jual agusta RM1 sahaja…..ahahahahahahahahahahahah………….[/quote]
ahahahahahahahaha… r u sure that Proton selling MV Agusta just only RM1? or 1 Euro? ahaks… Proton jual sebab MV Agusta byk hutang.. kalo Proton guna duit byk sgt utk cover hutang tu, nanti korg cakap yg proton pakai duit tax yg ko bayar utk cover hutang tu (byk mana je tax yg ko byr pun).. daripada bayar hutang dan rugi sampai berjuta Euro dimasa hadapan, lebih baik jual 1 Euro dan tak payah tanggung kerugian lagi… ada paham kah? asal cerita pasal proton, mesti ada connect dgn cerita lama.. lepas ni ulang balik pasal tax, koroni, politik, gahmen dan sebagainya…

]]> By: peroempat http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243159 peroempat Thu, 04 Jun 2009 20:13:24 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243159 Where should i fund the 1000000 ringgit to burn this 1 ringgit? i want got to genting to see Ah Lim this weekend to try mt luck. Where should i fund the 1000000 ringgit to burn this 1 ringgit? i want got to genting to see Ah Lim this weekend to try mt luck.

]]> By: Haha http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243134 Haha Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:59:16 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243134 tutup saja lah , tak guna langsung RM1jual saja wakakakka tutup saja lah , tak guna langsung RM1jual saja wakakakka

]]> By: perolima http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243075 perolima Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:26:26 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243075 Almost burning RM1 million per day. Who’s fault? You lah, because you don’t want support Proton. You didn’t lose if you buy a Proton. Buy a Proton, you don’t need to pay import tax, you also can save Proton from losing tax money again. Actually, help Proton = help yourself/us. *SURELY CAN DO IT* Almost burning RM1 million per day.
Who’s fault? You lah, because you don’t want support Proton.
You didn’t lose if you buy a Proton. Buy a Proton, you don’t need to pay import tax, you also can save Proton from losing tax money again.
Actually, help Proton = help yourself/us.
*SURELY CAN DO IT*

]]> By: Haha http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243070 Haha Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:48:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243070 no need to tell proton what to do lah... sudah pandai.... jual agusta RM1 sahaja.....ahahahahahahahahahahahah............. no need to tell proton what to do lah… sudah pandai…. jual agusta RM1 sahaja…..ahahahahahahahahahahahah………….

]]> By: tokmoh http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243053 tokmoh Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:03:36 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243053 [quote comment="243018"][quote comment="243005"] So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they'll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I'm replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no?[/quote] WTH who exactly thinking Proton are Malay problem, except the stupid one/politician. I am too disappoint to you too that I am so very happy to hear "YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN GO OUT" bla bla bla. FML? FYL? Calm down man, you are out of your control...[/quote] "you tak suka, you keluar dari malaysia"...... kah? hohoho In this post, anj97 do have a problem with malays... and if u read any The Malaysian Insider's news abt Proton, almost every commenter has. Sorry, but racial discussion ends here. I've said it that if u really want to help, write to Proton MD in motortrader. Also, have faith in the person you have voted and make it your responsibility that they do their job well. Ranting endlessly won't help. The world doesn't owe you a living, regardless of where you're born. You don't seriously believe this is a more helpful method than my suggestions, do you? Due to pressures from many forummers in motortrader, Exora now is eligible for XChange program. Does that not prove my point? [quote comment="243018"][quote comment="243005"]
So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they’ll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I’m replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no?[/quote]
WTH who exactly thinking Proton are Malay problem, except the stupid one/politician. I am too disappoint to you too that I am so very happy to hear “YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU CAN GO OUT” bla bla bla. FML? FYL? Calm down man, you are out of your control…[/quote]
“you tak suka, you keluar dari malaysia”…… kah? hohoho

In this post, anj97 do have a problem with malays… and if u read any The Malaysian Insider’s news abt Proton, almost every commenter has. Sorry, but racial discussion ends here.

I’ve said it that if u really want to help, write to Proton MD in motortrader. Also, have faith in the person you have voted and make it your responsibility that they do their job well.

Ranting endlessly won’t help. The world doesn’t owe you a living, regardless of where you’re born. You don’t seriously believe this is a more helpful method than my suggestions, do you?

Due to pressures from many forummers in motortrader, Exora now is eligible for XChange program. Does that not prove my point?

]]> By: fmlyl168 http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243019 fmlyl168 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:07:47 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243019 [quote comment="242964"]lets build a new car company... who wants to join...??[/quote] Wait me, I am now go to damacai, toto, magnum, genting... to correct $$. FML [quote comment="242964"]lets build a new car company…

who wants to join…??[/quote]
Wait me, I am now go to damacai, toto, magnum, genting… to correct $$. FML

]]> By: fmlyl168 http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243018 fmlyl168 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:00:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243018 [quote comment="243005"] So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they'll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I'm replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no?[/quote] WTH who exactly thinking Proton are Malay problem, except the stupid one/politician. I am too disappoint to you too that I am so very happy to hear "YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN GO OUT" bla bla bla. FML? FYL? Calm down man, you are out of your control... [quote comment="243005"]
So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they’ll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I’m replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no?[/quote]
WTH who exactly thinking Proton are Malay problem, except the stupid one/politician. I am too disappoint to you too that I am so very happy to hear “YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU CAN GO OUT” bla bla bla. FML? FYL? Calm down man, you are out of your control…

]]> By: tokmoh http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243005 tokmoh Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:05:23 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243005 [quote comment="242927"][quote comment="242739"]apa benda la drink_tea ni cakap...... Ya, Proton CEO memang pakai Proton Chancellor ie Waja executive. Waktu Proton Saga BLM launch tahun lepas, dia slalu bawa Saga RED concept utk promote. Kini, dgr kata dia slalu bawa Exora Prestige. To all experts out there, let's see if any of u have the balls to change the govt or Proton. Else, take responsibility n just STFU. Your irresponsible "armchair critique" attitude had allowed proton n our country to be in this mess.[/quote] "dont complain and STFU attitude" is what brings us to this mess, i agree. but if you read some wrong statement, why not correct them, why would you need to swear? Forum is a place to express, and if you do not like this, try www.fmylife.com. it is a great place to go. swearing doesnt bring any good, are you mad because you didnt get laid last few days? try jerking off maybe? btw: i heard waja chancellor is a failure right? there goes some EPF money and tax payer money again.....sigh...they never learn....[/quote] What I want is for ppl to have the same perspective as those in Proton management or the govt. It's easy to say "govt shud reduce tax, govt shud sell proton to foreigners, govt shud this, shud that blabla", but if u are the person who's responsible for making such decisions, then you'll realise it's not as simple as that. So really, if you think you're THAT expert, why not send a resume to be Proton's next CEO? Or contest in the next GE n go for the PM post? Of course they are not know-it-all, but so are we, so why wanna leave comments in such an arrogant I-know-best-while-they-know-nothing? If wanna correct them, then do so in a mature and realistic manner as if you're talking face to face with them. The Proton CEO does read this blog and motortrader. You can even interact with him in motortrader forum, n he will reply some of them whenever he's free. So go ahead, I'd like to see drink_tea posting in that forum. Worse still, I see that some ppl are blaming a certain race for this problem. It reflects on their immaturity on their understanding of this problem. So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they'll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I'm replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no? [quote comment="242927"][quote comment="242739"]apa benda la drink_tea ni cakap……

Ya, Proton CEO memang pakai Proton Chancellor ie Waja executive. Waktu Proton Saga BLM launch tahun lepas, dia slalu bawa Saga RED concept utk promote. Kini, dgr kata dia slalu bawa Exora Prestige.

To all experts out there, let’s see if any of u have the balls to change the govt or Proton. Else, take responsibility n just STFU. Your irresponsible “armchair critique” attitude had allowed proton n our country to be in this mess.[/quote]

“dont complain and STFU attitude” is what brings us to this mess, i agree. but if you read some wrong statement, why not correct them, why would you need to swear? Forum is a place to express, and if you do not like this, try http://www.fmylife.com. it is a great place to go.

swearing doesnt bring any good, are you mad because you didnt get laid last few days? try jerking off maybe?

btw: i heard waja chancellor is a failure right? there goes some EPF money and tax payer money again…..sigh…they never learn….[/quote]
What I want is for ppl to have the same perspective as those in Proton management or the govt. It’s easy to say “govt shud reduce tax, govt shud sell proton to foreigners, govt shud this, shud that blabla”, but if u are the person who’s responsible for making such decisions, then you’ll realise it’s not as simple as that.

So really, if you think you’re THAT expert, why not send a resume to be Proton’s next CEO? Or contest in the next GE n go for the PM post?

Of course they are not know-it-all, but so are we, so why wanna leave comments in such an arrogant I-know-best-while-they-know-nothing? If wanna correct them, then do so in a mature and realistic manner as if you’re talking face to face with them. The Proton CEO does read this blog and motortrader. You can even interact with him in motortrader forum, n he will reply some of them whenever he’s free. So go ahead, I’d like to see drink_tea posting in that forum.

Worse still, I see that some ppl are blaming a certain race for this problem. It reflects on their immaturity on their understanding of this problem.

So these experts have presented themselves in a manner that deserves no serious attention, nor the need to be polite with them. If they think malays are the problem, and that they’ll get 1st class treatment in Indonesia, Thailand, Australia, USA, Japan, I wish them good luck. I’m replying in this manner cuz I want to make them happy. Well, at the very least, Vios is very cheap in those countries, no?

]]> By: motberg http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-243002 motberg Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:28:12 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-243002 I guess Proton's problem was developing the Satria NEO & Savvy, both which are aimed at a niche market. The cost of developing new models are very high and they went ahead with 2 niche models. They should have developed the new SAGA & EXORA before messing with niched market cars. Just look at all the new models that are selling well, Persona, Saga & Exora. Malaysians want sedan cars with 4 doors & people movers. Savvy went head to head with all the other Perodua makes and was sidelined. The NEO, being a 2 door car, only catered to the boy racers wannabes, since it's not a sports car. At least they seem to be on the right track... for now. They should seriously roll out a Waja replacement soon and after that a Perdana replacement. I guess Proton’s problem was developing the Satria NEO & Savvy, both which are aimed at a niche market. The cost of developing new models are very high and they went ahead with 2 niche models. They should have developed the new SAGA & EXORA before messing with niched market cars. Just look at all the new models that are selling well, Persona, Saga & Exora. Malaysians want sedan cars with 4 doors & people movers. Savvy went head to head with all the other Perodua makes and was sidelined. The NEO, being a 2 door car, only catered to the boy racers wannabes, since it’s not a sports car. At least they seem to be on the right track… for now. They should seriously roll out a Waja replacement soon and after that a Perdana replacement.

]]> By: Automotive_Critics http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242989 Automotive_Critics Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:54:25 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242989 Drink_tea. I support you. we deserved it. Drink_tea. I support you. we deserved it.

]]> By: Rush Lee http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242973 Rush Lee Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:00:19 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242973 It is good to have someone that "know-it-all" around here.. i think US fellas should start to talk about "where did our tax monies go?" right now... Every time when they talks about GM and Chrysler, they should included about taxes and politics issues in their conservations... It is good to have someone that “know-it-all” around here.. i think US fellas should start to talk about “where did our tax monies go?” right now… Every time when they talks about GM and Chrysler, they should included about taxes and politics issues in their conservations…

]]> By: BukaMinda http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242968 BukaMinda Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:57:01 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242968 Gov lost money to Proton just a little penny but if Proton not exist, Gov lost money to foreign country could be much a lot more. Jap makes car at least 10,000units per month, one year their produce more then 6 new models. Don't compare Proton with Jap. Gov lost money to Proton just a little penny but if Proton not exist, Gov lost money to foreign country could be much a lot more.

Jap makes car at least 10,000units per month, one year their produce more then 6 new models. Don’t compare Proton with Jap.

]]> By: Saya http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242964 Saya Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:35:20 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242964 lets build a new car company... who wants to join...?? lets build a new car company…

who wants to join…??

]]> By: perolima http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242958 perolima Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:28:43 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242958 Politic no need knowing, they need blinder to supports. Yeah... ^w^)v We will beat down British closer. After that, is Japan, hehehe... Do believing in KARMA. *shine* Politic no need knowing, they need blinder to supports.

Yeah… ^w^)v
We will beat down British closer.
After that, is Japan, hehehe…
Do believing in KARMA. *shine*

]]> By: ajd http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242946 ajd Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:32:17 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242946 haha... drink_tea, puas cakap... jadi ahli politik la... since u r all knowing person... haha…

drink_tea, puas cakap… jadi ahli politik la…

since u r all knowing person…

]]> By: farghmee http://paultan.org/2009/05/31/proton-posts-rm338-million-fy20082009-loss/#comment-242940 farghmee Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:53:04 +0000 http://paultan.org/?p=15378#comment-242940 hmmm... care to elaborate what does the reason for the losses? 1. r&d losses? 2. shrinking market? haih..enuf with politics. yg ckp berdegar2 ni pakai kete ape la ye gamaknye? m5? jag xf? testarossa? nardo? yg kaya/bos sbb warisan biar la diorg kaya, jgn nk dengki2 pulak. yg belum kaya/belum jadi boss ni kena la usaha sungguh2. pd yg kaya warisan, kuarkn la zakat. pd yg blum kaya, praktisla kuarkn zakat spy kaya nnt senang kuar zakat. aku pk yg simple2 je. keyword: SELF-SUFFICIENT hmmm…
care to elaborate what does the reason for the losses?
1. r&d losses?
2. shrinking market?

haih..enuf with politics.

yg ckp berdegar2 ni pakai kete ape la ye gamaknye?
m5? jag xf? testarossa? nardo?

yg kaya/bos sbb warisan biar la diorg kaya, jgn nk dengki2 pulak.
yg belum kaya/belum jadi boss ni kena la usaha sungguh2.
pd yg kaya warisan, kuarkn la zakat.
pd yg blum kaya, praktisla kuarkn zakat spy kaya nnt senang kuar zakat.

aku pk yg simple2 je.
keyword: SELF-SUFFICIENT

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