i understand that u must do some researh this topic before posted it.

But this is my understanding on the smart-tag & touch n go system that currently used. Smart-tag used RFID (radio freq identification) tech. & not infra-red. It used radio wave & not light as my understanding. same goes to touch n go. Howver, smart-tag used microwave while touch n go use high freq. so that’s y smart tag user just hv to drive tru the toll while the touch n go user have to stop to swap the card to it transponder.

plz correct me if i’m wrong…..[/quote]

Touch N Go/SmartTAG themselves said it uses infrared. that is why you need line of sight for it to work. please refer to the link below.

http://www.touchngo.com.my/MLFF_faqs.html/quote

TnG is actually a proximity card or mifare card. It uses low power, low frequency radio band. (13MHz)
The SmartTag uses infrared.
The MLFF tags should use 5GHz frequency. When you go beyond 0.3GHz to 300Ghz, you are using “microwave” frequency.
You could google the info. they are all “wikified”

http://www.q-free.com/images/stories/Files/Products/Factsheets/2005-640-009-02_Multilane_Free_Flow_System_White_Paper.pdf

There are few player that are making the demos: Misubishi with proprietary japanese system. and Kapsch (I think) which would be based on the European Standard tags and roadside equipment.

One point the you guys should know is that MLFF compliant system had already been implemented in Malaysia way back in 1999.
Kesas had ExpressTag, LDP had FastTrak, and GrandSaga got SagaTag.
All these systems are microwave DSRC tags (dedicated short range communication).

I was one of those who maintain one of the system. we had tested the lane with vehicle travelling at 100kph. (with the barrier upright of course)
It still can detect and make the deductions correctly.
The system was said to be able to make transactions at 200kph.

All of them was kicked out by the honorable datuk S. Samy Vellu in 2004 because “we need only one system”

Now Rangkaian Segar know that their outdated infrared based SmartTag is no longer used by any other worldwide toll system, and the price of the SmartTag is rising due to no economics of scale.

So they need to introduce a microwave based system. the problems is that if they introduced it, then probably the concessionaire and the public would got furious about the inconsistencies of the govt.

And they had said long time ago that their system is superior. yeah right….

The problem with MLFF in Malaysia would still be that there is no control on the number plates. be it on the fonts and styling or the fake plates. Even the London’s system have problems with “stolen number plates”.

How would us enforce MLFF, if we could not be sure that those who drove pass the gantry are actually using the correct number plates. Hence, when the summons came in, it would be sent to the innocent road users.

At the end, I would foresee that RSSB/KKM/LLM would just say that MLFF is still not feasable due to regulatory issues, and we would only use the microwave with the automatic barrier — which was what we had for 5 years from 1999 till 2004.
Now RSSB can upgrade the SmartTag.. yeaaa….

Please read my blog on the related issue, and give ur comments:
http://ideas.routevid.com/2008/05/multi-provider-toll-collection-system.html.

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cheers!

What rattles me is why most motorists still ‘prefer’ the ticket-and-cash system. Look at Sg. Besi toll (or any other toll for that matter)..the cash lanes are dreadfully long! And, how many years have the TnG system been implemented? People should really consider Short-Term-Loss-but-Long-Term-Win. They won’t even fork out some money for a TnG card, let alone the SmartTag transmitter. The system implementer will face a lot more problems on top of the technical glitches Paul Tan has mentioned. Just my humble opinion.[/quote]

Like myself even i have smart tag but sometime bcoz of mileage & toll cost claims related, i opted for cash payment. Hopeful they will come out with some system or mechanism to issue the receipt later.

Let face it, ALMOST every marketing people uses car to travel and needs to claim back their toll expenses… heck, even company directors need the receipt… for tax deduction [/quote]

WTH??? I myself work as sales last year, and I use TNG also. For claiming purpose? For god sake, register your freaking TNG card on the internet, and you are able to print it out, and claim back!!!! What is so difficult with this?

Or if you are lazy, call up TNG, and ask them to fax it to your office!!!
Grr….are you guys nuts? Or stay in cave?

i am sure he won’t queue at cash lane anymore after this experience and instead will revert back to use the SmartTag. Even i’ve made the same conclusion when i tried something very similar a few years back.

Queuing at the cash lane? Thanks but Never again… it is so impractical and time wasting.

Truth to be told, you had to queue at Smart Tag lane, particularly in the morning or everning rush hour, but it will take only 1-3 minutes max when cash normally took 5-15 minutes max. Otherwise, usage of the Smart Tag lane should be a breeze in most 95% of the time.

All the people who still paying by cash when they are using the highway on frequent or daily basis really don’t look at long-term benefit of investing a small token of RM100 for the SmartTag, which if you don’t know is a subsidisied price by the Touch n Go Sdn. Bhd.

That SmartTag unit cost more than RM100. It used to be sold for around RM150++ a few years back (year 2002?) before the then Works Ministry (Mr. Samy Vellu) asked/instructed the system operator to subsidise the Smart Tag and sell it at only RM100.

Therefore, subsidise is at RM50++ per unit and the system operator are still subsidising it to this day! I reckoned they have sold more than 1 million units of Smart Tag since. So imagine the system operator (ultimately the Govt) has ’subsidise’ more than RM50 million just for the rakyat to use the Smart Tag.

Even with this arrangement people refuse to use the T’nG electronic payment system, they are clearly just being a hardball. Perhaps they are true blue opposition. It is best sometime not to mix politics with other aspect of life. Ease of transportation is one of the area.

One thing for sure, The T’nG system has been around for more than 10 years and shall continue to be there. Many people who ‘finally’ convert to it (from cash) ultimately understand its advantages and never look back.

Forget about no toll, cronies and all that what not political stuff. The operator of the system is ultimately owned by the Malaysia Goverment as the operator main shareholder is a GLC, the UEM Group. Even another GLC i.e. Bumiputra
Commerce a.k.a CIMB has quite a stake in the system operator.

And this system is there to make live easier as it provide secure payment conveniently and fast.

So far, T’nG electronic payment system is the only such system that have wide spread usage n acceptance. This is probably the electronic money solution that will be supported by the Govt to turn M’sian into embracing electronic money.

MLFF will be implemented in the future as an updated version of current infrared-based technology and when that day come, T’nG will be there, amalgamated into MLFF imlementation and other areas where electronic payment / money is accepted.

Don’t be so surprise when you see your tiny T’nG card is accepted at other places beside the toll plazas, public transit system and parking. The movement to enable usage of T’nG card in retail, food & beverage outlets, petrol stations and many others areas have just began.

NO TOLL IS BETTER.[/quote]
just go living in indonesia lah you!

NO TOLL IS BETTER.

Malaysia Tentu Boleh

You get caught, you’ll get heavily fined and and get your license suspended. And they are pretty anal about catching people over there.

You should go read about how they renew everyone’s road tax over there. You’ll be amazed.

Malaysian motorist should be forced to use cards instead of cash and receipt. Skeptical with ‘online system’ making you a lame and backward.

i understand that u must do some researh this topic before posted it.

But this is my understanding on the smart-tag & touch n go system that currently used. Smart-tag used RFID (radio freq identification) tech. & not infra-red. It used radio wave & not light as my understanding. same goes to touch n go. Howver, smart-tag used microwave while touch n go use high freq. so that’s y smart tag user just hv to drive tru the toll while the touch n go user have to stop to swap the card to it transponder.

plz correct me if i’m wrong…..[/quote]

Touch N Go/SmartTAG themselves said it uses infrared. that is why you need line of sight for it to work. please refer to the link below.

http://www.touchngo.com.my/MLFF_faqs.html

i understand that u must do some researh this topic before posted it.

But this is my understanding on the smart-tag & touch n go system that currently used. Smart-tag used RFID (radio freq identification) tech. & not infra-red. It used radio wave & not light as my understanding. same goes to touch n go. Howver, smart-tag used microwave while touch n go use high freq. so that’s y smart tag user just hv to drive tru the toll while the touch n go user have to stop to swap the card to it transponder.

plz correct me if i’m wrong…..

I think enforcement is important for MLFF. Get fined must force payment but
typical MY style people wait for discount before paying. In SG you get the
summon in your mail box in about 3 days of violation and compound double
if you don’t pay within x days.

Singapore can do it why can’t we. If this was implemented in the EU they will “force” people by charging more for using the cash based methods because they need to employ people to take care of the toll booths.

MLFF will come only how soon it will come will not be known[/quote]

Charge more, people will grumble…

Singapore can do it why can’t we. If this was implemented in the EU they will “force” people by charging more for using the cash based methods because they need to employ people to take care of the toll booths.

MLFF will come only how soon it will come will not be known

In fact with standardized number plates, you don’t even need the MLFF tag. For example, in Melbourne, to pass a toll you only need to go to a website, pre pay into your car’s account and drive. As you drive thru the gantry, the camera will read your number plate and deduct from your account.

Forget to prepay? no worries, just log in within 24 hours and pay. If you don’t you will get a bill + “Handling Charge” sent to you.[/quote]

I believe this is part and parcel of the system… the system works fine and is alrdy proven… its just the matter of enforcement… what happens if the car has unreadable number plates? or the car owner purposely hid the number plates?